For some odd reason Warner has put an Englisch PCM 5.1 Track on their German Blu-ray-Release of "Flags of our Fathers" and it sounds noticably superior to the Dolby Track of the american Dreamworks Release (I did an A/B comparison).

Is it 16 or 24 bit? Is the disc region free?

i smell a double dip coming from paramount in the near future.

For some odd reason Warner has put an Englisch PCM 5.1 Track on their German Blu-ray-Release of "Flags of our Fathers" and it sounds noticably superior to the Dolby Track of the american Dreamworks Release (I did an A/B comparison).

What are the extras?

» Introduction by Clint Eastwood
» Words on the page: From book to screen
» Six brave men: Cast members profile the real people they portray
» The making of an Epic: the veteran production team
» Raising the flag: Recreating a historic event
» Visual effects: Creating invisble effects
» Looking into the past: Historical footage
» Theatrical Trailer

Every EU version seems to have the PCM-track since it's all Warner.

If it says 4.6 Megabits/sec on the PS3's audio bitrate meter then it's a typical WB 16 bit track.

If it is region coded, is there a Japanese version coming with an English PCM track? Japan and many Asian countries are in Region A along with the U.S.

Dan

I read that PCM is also included on the Nordic release.

There is also a HD-DVD version with a TrueHD track, same extras, BUT the Blu-ray is on a BD 50 disc movie and extras, the HD-DVD is on a double sided disc - A: HD 30 for the film and (probably) B: HD 15 for the extras...

Having to flip the disc is an annoyance, but the sound issue - PCM 5.1 vs, TrueHD... Has anyone compared these? :)

Received my copy today (scandinavian release which is most likely the same as all over EU) and just checked the audio.

My PS3 reports Linear PCM, 5.1, 48 kHz, 6.9 Mbps which makes it 24 bit right?

Warner titles haven't had region coding in EU. I guess they think it's futile as they also release a region free HD DVD. The back of the cover has no regional code markings at all, same as all my other WB Blu-Rays. I can't actually verify that it is region free though, sorry.

If it says 4.6 Megabits/sec on the PS3's audio bitrate meter then it's a typical WB 16 bit track.

If it is region coded, is there a Japanese version coming with an English PCM track? Japan and many Asian countries are in Region A along with the U.S.

Dan

6.9Mbps is definitely 24-bit. Congrats.

I wish we could get Superman Returns in 24-bit PCM as well...

I just checked the film "The Wild". The back cover says nothing about what bit rate the sound is. When you said that 6.9 is 24/96, i looked it up with my PS3. You are right! It is also a 24/96 track!!

The back of my Blu-ray case just state a "pcm" track, not the bit-rate. I bought it in Sweden.

By the way, is this an absolute way to state the tracks bit rate?

Robert

I just checked the film "The Wild". The back cover says nothing about what bit rate the sound is. When you said that 6.9 is 24/96, i looked it up with my PS3. You are right! It is also a 24/96 track!!

The back of my Blu-ray case just state a "pcm" track, not the bit-rate. I bought it in Sweden.

By the way, is this an absolute way to state the tracks bit rate?

Robert

it's 24bit/48kHz for 6.9mbit

Marek

By the way, is this an absolute way to state the tracks bit rate?
Sure,

for a 5.1 mix

4608 kbps means 48kHz/16-bit track.
6912 kbps means 48kHz/24-bit track.


Note for example that the values for 7.1 PCM tracks (like the Lionsgate releases) are 6144 kbps and they are 48kHz/16-bit. A simple math shows that they feature the same amount on kbps per channel of the 48/16 5.1 tracks.

4608/6=768
6144/8=768
;)

Sure,

for a 5.1 mix

4608 kbps means 48kHz/16-bit track.
6912 kbps means 48kHz/24-bit track.


Note for example that the values for 7.1 PCM tracks (like the Lionsgate releases) are 6144 kbps and they are 48kHz/16-bit. A simple math shows that they feature the same amount on kbps per channel of the 48/16 5.1 tracks.

4608/6=768
6144/8=768
;)

Cool!
If we just could convince the studios to put this information on the cover..... :rolleyes:

Dang. I bought Flags of our Fathers several weeks ago from Amazon. After going into the setup menus, I realized that its best soundtrack was DD. I was very disappointed and asked myself "How could that happen?" So now I'll have to be doubly on my guard to pay attention to the audio formats BEFORE I buy.

Dang. I bought Flags of our Fathers several weeks ago from Amazon. After going into the setup menus, I realized that its best soundtrack was DD. I was very disappointed and asked myself "How could that happen?" So now I'll have to be doubly on my guard to pay attention to the audio formats BEFORE I buy.

What version did you buy? The US (Paramount) is indeed DD 5.1, but the european (Warner) is supposed to be PCM 5.1.

UK version of Flags also has PCM.

Looks like Japanese release of Flags won't feature PCM / TrueHD.
So planning to import from EU.
Can someone confirm if the EU-BD is Region Coded ?

Sweet, hopefully the Taiwan disk has PCM. This is one that I haven't imported from the US yet. Man, Eastwood makes some great movies.

Too bad it's such a standard war film. It's good, but nothing special.

Letters is much better. It's shot like a horror film(it feels like one too), very apropriate for a move about war if you ask me. Plus it has more gunshots and explosions. Eastwood could have also called it 'Gunpowder: The Motion Picture'.
But a 24bit PCM track could sound much better than the TruHD.


On a side note I thought the 24bit TrueHD on T5E sounded better than the PCM(more tiny noises where clear). otherwise they sound the same.

I'm glad I cancelled the Amazon.com order earlier. ;)

Does anyone know, compared to the US version, if the UK/Ger BD versions for this movie :

1. use the same video encode & bitrate?
2. are of the same PQ?
3. have any cuts?
4. have the same set of extras?

Looks like Japanese release of Flags won't feature PCM / TrueHD.


Where did you hear this? The specs have yet to be announced as far as I've heard. WHV Jp's website still hasn't listed them.

Since the Japanese release will also be by Warner like the European versions, it may very well have PCM.

HD DVD

http://global.yesasia.com/en/prdTransfer.aspx/pid-1004845767/ - eigo - DD+ 5.1 surround

Blu-ray

http://global.yesasia.com/en/prdTransfer.aspx/pid-1004845770/ - eigo - DD 5.1 surround

If your Japanese is fluent can you please call Yodobashi Akiba or go to Yodobashi and confirm the audio specs for Flags on both HD DVD and BD.

For time being I can 100% confirm that Iwo Jima will be similar to U.S release in terms of Picture and Sound.

You can never fully trust what a retailer says regarding a disc's specs. Yesasia's listing might turn out to be true, but they might have just copied it from another release. We won't know for certain what the specs will be until WHV officially unveils them.

WHV has been notoriously deceiving when it comes to listing to audio specs.

WHV Japan? Like when? Their listing for PCM on Happy Feet sure as hell turned out to be correct.

Can someone confirm if the EU-BD is Region Coded ?

I have the UK Flags... & it plays just dandy on my US PS3.

Thanks for the info. So let me buy the EU version as it features PCM track making me avoid a double-dip.

Sorry dude. I think neither HD formats would feature next gen audio.

http://store.yahoo.co.jp/digiconeiga/wbba-y14089.html
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/cinema/wbha-y14088/

http://store.yahoo.co.jp/digiconeiga/wbha-y14088.html
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/cinema/wbba-y14089/

http://www.jp.playstation.com/shopping/Item/1/6180268.html
http://www.sonicmart.jp/product/detail/WBBA-Y14089.html


LOL. The listing on the Playstation store says it's anamorphic. They probably just copied the info from the DVD listing.

I repeat, YOU CANNOT TRUST INFO FROM RETAILERS.