I am planning to pre-order 300 but which version ?
I am only bothered about the PQ, SQ and the transfer.

Do you think transfer would be the same or will Warner give some special treatment to the BD version in the transfer department by boosting the transfer rates and making nice use of the disc capacity ?

If so I will buy the BD version as I am more concerned about PQ / SQ.

I'm sure it's exactly the same PQ and SQ, same transfer.
If you only care about those, then get the Blu-ray version since it's cheaper.

I'm siding towards blu-rays at the moment because 1080p from my PS3 is better than 1080i from my Toshiba HD-E1. I never buy a film because of the extras, they are only a bonus. I'll take PQ over extras.

Yup, same situation here. 1080i from HD E1 gets perfectly de-interlaced into 1080p in my projector and it looks wonderful - though it's interlaced into 1080p/60 of course. After the PS3 update that gave it 1080p/24 output, I'm more into buying BD movies because after gotten used to those fluid slow pans that my projector gives when fed 24fps, it's becoming increasingly harder to watch orgininal 24fps material in 60fps. Never thought it was such a big deal until I actually got used to it. Now I know why the HD XE1/XA2 owners are waiting for the 1080p/24 firm ware upgrade in September.

Still nice to have HD E1 for those Universal movies I don't want to miss.

Unfortunately, it is the exact same VC-1 transfer. Warner has yet to give a different/optimized bluray encode.

If you have 1080p from both players than you have to go with the Hd-DVd version by a landslide, this hd version will have more features than the blu-ray

I am format neutral too, but thats a no-brainer.

I already pre ordered the HD-DVD version as it has a lot of extra features not found on the BLU-RAY version. The encode will be the same no point in getting the version with less features.

I already pre ordered the HD-DVD version as it has a lot of extra features not found on the BLU-RAY version. The encode will be the same no point in getting the version with less features.

Well depand if is watching those feature. Why pay 4$ more for something you'll never ever use (Ime and DVD side in his case), of course if you're interested by those feature the HD DVD is a sure buy...

"Why pay 4$ more for something you'll never ever use "

I'm going to use them, the strategy game on the disc sounds cool and the PIP with the green screen for the entire movie sound interesting as well. Why pay any money on an inferior version? I'd rather pay 4$ more for a better version of the movie then $20+ for a version that has less features.

If you have 1080p from both players than you have to go with the Hd-DVd version by a landslide, this hd version will have more features than the blu-ray I already pre ordered the HD-DVD version as it has a lot of extra features not found on the BLU-RAY version. The encode will be the same no point in getting the version with less features.
He already said he only cared about PQ and AQ:I am planning to pre-order 300 but which version ?
I am only bothered about the PQ, SQ and the transfer.

Do you think transfer would be the same or will Warner give some special treatment to the BD version in the transfer department by boosting the transfer rates and making nice use of the disc capacity ?

If so I will buy the BD version as I am more concerned about PQ / SQ.But, hey, why give up a chance to troll the Blu-ray-only forums?
:rolleyes:

He already said he only cared about PQ and AQ:But, hey, why give up a chance to troll the Blu-ray-only forums?
:rolleyes:

BINGO!!!

i was kinda forced to buy the hddvd version (no blu player yet) but if i had a bluray player i'd get that one instead. Combo hddvds are a hit and miss if they will play or not, besides i hear some of them the glue comes on done and makes it unplayable after time. The whole blue screen in pip is kinda worthless to me. Why would i care to watch a movie with buncha actors on blue screen??

He already said he only cared about PQ and AQ:But, hey, why give up a chance to troll the Blu-ray-only forums?
:rolleyes:


this whole post is troll bait. what kind of answer would one expect by posting this question in the BLU RAY FORUM???

"But, hey, why give up a chance to troll the Blu-ray-only forums"

Yep I'm such a troll I bought a panasonic blu-ray player and 71 BLU-RAY movies. Heaven forbid we would actually try and answer his question.

I posted something similar in the HD DVD forum and got called a troll also. Even though I have dozens of movies in each format. Its fun to play a bully in a forum, isn't it.

"But, hey, why give up a chance to troll the Blu-ray-only forums"

Yep I'm such a troll I bought a panasonic blu-ray player and 71 BLU-RAY movies. Heaven forbid we would actually try and answer his question.

the reason you're being called a troll is probably b/c you listed reasons for getting the hd-dvd that the OP have already stated means nothing to him.

my thoughts on this choice, if the extras mean nothing, get the cheaper version. also as of right now it's pretty imminent that BD will win the format war, so you can take that into consideration as well.

another mans trash is another mans treasure. Its kinda like this, some people have to have luxurys like leather and sunroof. For me I despise sunroof (high center of gravity/less structure rigidity/added weight) and leather (hot in summer/cold winter and slippery). While every single M3 that dealerships had came with both of these options, actually had to custom order my car to have those two options deleted. So to some those extras that is a must for you isn't for everyone.

one man's trash is another mans treasure.

fixed :D

*wishes he can afford a M3

Yeah I dont know why you would call us trolls, especially since we own both formats, the original post asked for clarity and that he was confused on which to buy, well it doesnt take a genius to know that the HD version will have more features and extras than the blu ray does so bingo thats your answer.

I went neutral so that if something is exclusive like Casino Royale for BD or Matrix to HD DVD that I could win either way. but if one has more than the other for the same format then I would go with that one.

Yeah I dont know why you would call us trolls, especially since we own both formats, the original post asked for clarity and that he was confused on which to buy, well it doesnt take a genius to know that the HD version will have more features and extras than the blu ray does so bingo thats your answer.

price and reliability are also issues that need to be taken into consideration and blu-ray holds an advantage in those areas since hd-dvd version is going to be a combo disc. since the op stated extras dont mean anything to him, all he'll be lookin at is the price and possible reliability issues with the hd-dvd.

I'm siding towards blu-rays at the moment because 1080p from my PS3 is better than 1080i from my Toshiba HD-E1. I never buy a film because of the extras, they are only a bonus. I'll take PQ over extras.

Hahaha me too! I get this Shimmering effect on some scenes with 1080i on HDDVD. So if/when there is a choice, I go Blu mainly for 1080p. It used to also be for reliable playback, but that seems to have passed with all the firmware updates (knock on wood).

PS,
combo discs are 4TL!

I already ordered the HD-DVD! I won't own a BR player until they work out the specs.

Yeah I dont know why you would call us trolls, especially since we own both formats, the original post asked for clarity and that he was confused on which to buy, well it doesnt take a genius to know that the HD version will have more features and extras than the blu ray does so bingo thats your answer.Except that he went out of his way to say that all he cared about was PQ/AQ.

If you have 1080p from both players than you have to go with the Hd-DVd version by a landslide, this hd version will have more features than the blu-ray

I am format neutral too, but thats a no-brainer.

To me, the extra features are negated by the fact that the HD DVD version is a combo. I don't want a DVD glued onto the other side of my HD disc.

OP, I don't see how you can be confused about this issue. The only major differences between the two are extras and price, but you don't care about extras. So since you are posting in the BD forum, it obvious that you are leaning towards the BD version and that's the recommendation you are going to get form everybody. If you posted this in the HD DVD section, everybody would recommend the HD DVD.

As far as I know the two versions will look and sound exactly the same, but the BD will be cheaper. So go with that one since it makes no sense for you to pay money for suff you don't want. I don't see why this was an issue though. Why would you pay more for the HD DVD if you don't care about any of its advantages??? I on the other hand will be going HD DVD on this one for the extras.

Artwork on Blu-ray 300, no artwork on 300 HD DVD. Don't really care about the extra stuff but I do wish the Blu-ray version had it.

At this point of the format war, and after today's numbers, I have ZERO faith in HD DVD surviving. I'll take the Blu-ray version.

Artwork on Blu-ray 300, no artwork on 300 HD DVD. Don't really care about the extra stuff but I do wish the Blu-ray version had it.

At this point of the format war, and after today's numbers, I have ZERO faith in HD DVD surviving. I'll take the Blu-ray version.

what numbers?

12 exclusive HD DVD releases, no Blu-ray exclusives, and they still got outsold 65% to 35%.

what numbers?

I assume he is talking about the new Nielsen data.

65/35 in favor of BD even though Universal releasesed 12 exclusives and the only BD releases were the two neutrals.


edit: too slow!

Personally i'm getting the HD-DVD version of the movie for my HD-A1 player. I don't have a 1080p set so the 1080i setting is fine for me. The big reason for me going with the HD-DVD is the extras and because i can enjoy the TrueHD track with my analog out connection. I only have a PS3 20GB unit and i lack the HDMI receiver to enjoy the high def tracks. Hope to update my receiver soon but who knows when that might be.

Personally i'm getting the HD-DVD version of the movie for my HD-A1 player. I don't have a 1080p set so the 1080i setting is fine for me. The big reason for me going with the HD-DVD is the extras and because i can enjoy the TrueHD track with my analog out connection. I only have a PS3 20GB unit and i lack the HDMI receiver to enjoy the high def tracks. Hope to update my receiver soon but who knows when that might be.

in your case then i'd say u made a good choice. to get all the pq/aq out of the blu-ray disc u'd need a new tv and a new receiver.

I assume he is talking about the new Nielsen data.

65/35 in favor of BD even though Universal releasesed 12 exclusives and the only BD releases were the two neutrals.


edit: too slow!

big ouch for HD-DVD. i been saying this for quite a while and that is i think universal is now going qty over quality and it appears the sales numbers shows. so all those players sold by toshiba and no one's buying media?

I've ordered the hd dvd. I can listen to DTH via analog with my xe1 witch my sammy p1000 can't :)

i want to watch this movie again 5-10 years from now...blu-ray for me.

the reason you're being called a troll is probably b/c you listed reasons for getting the hd-dvd that the OP have already stated means nothing to him.

my thoughts on this choice, if the extras mean nothing, get the cheaper version. also as of right now it's pretty imminent that BD will win the format war, so you can take that into consideration as well.

If the OP already listed the reasons, why make this post? Trying to pick a fight I guess.

i want to watch this movie again 5-10 years from now...blu-ray for me.

That makes ZERO sense. Will an HDDVD player self destruct if BD wins? :rolleyes:

i was kinda forced to buy the hddvd version (no blu player yet) but if i had a bluray player i'd get that one instead. Combo hddvds are a hit and miss if they will play or not, besides i hear some of them the glue comes on done and makes it unplayable after time. The whole blue screen in pip is kinda worthless to me. Why would i care to watch a movie with buncha actors on blue screen??

Did you also know some Blu-Ray titles have disc rot?

Did you also know some Blu-Ray titles have disc rot?

Dude come on, that is so blown out of proportion. I hate when one format gets a FEW problems, and everyone makes it seem like it is happening everywhere.

What, 1 out of 10000000 had rot?

Dude come on, that is so blown out of proportion. I hate when one format gets a FEW problems, and everyone makes it seem like it is happening everywhere.

What, 1 out of 10000000 had rot?

He was talking about 'i heard...." so why not mention it? It affected me as did a HD DVD Combo disc.

I have not decided. I really do want the interactive features, but I prefer my PS3 to my HD-A1. :(

That makes ZERO sense. Will an HDDVD player self destruct if BD wins? :rolleyes:
It kinda makes sense actually, in 5-10 years, the players will be so much better that you won't want to use the older ones (extreme examples could be: 0 second loading time, voice recognition, wireless HDMI etc), the dics however will remain the same.

this is interesting hmm

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10704934&&#post10704934

16/48 for HD DVD True HD
24/48 for Blu-ray True HD
16/48 for Blu-ray PCM.

if this is true, than Blu-ray version for me... 24bit audio :) yup

Marek

It kinda makes sense actually, in 5-10 years, the players will be so much better that you won't want to use the older ones (extreme examples could be: 0 second loading time, voice recognition, wireless HDMI etc), the dics however will remain the same.

In 10 years VOD will rule the roost!

I wonder how AVS members will react when we find out that the 300 Combo disc probably will yet another "problem disc". There is something very wrong going on with Combo disc replication.

Glitches, skips, Hickups, lockups.....
I can't afford to take any more risks on HD DVD.


My PS3 starts up Blu-Ray movies as fast as any regular DVD player starts up DVDs, and I know that my disc is going to play all the way through without interruption.


Edit: To even things out, I have a first generation HD DVD player (HD-A1). I'm sure first generation Blu-Ray players are a headache too (Like the first Samsung).

I will be going for the BD version as I just now came to know that the BD features 5.1 PCM.
Moreover it's $4 cheaper. The combos I have are The Departed and Iwo Jima.

Do the HD versions of the film have all of the [normal] extras from the 2-disc DVD? BTS docs, etc?

I would imagine most of the extras are recycled save for the HD-DVD which has a bit more than the Blu-Ray, but I think both have SOME original stuff.

I'll probably get the HD-DVD as my XA2 decodes and outputs TrueHD without HDMI via the analog outs. While the 24/48 BD version is appealing, I want to hear the TrueHD NOW, not after I buy another receiver.

I signed on for the BR version... gotta love 24/48 audio! :)

After playing around with the interactive features on Blood Diamond (HD DVD) I have decided to go with the HD DVD version of 300 also. Some pretty cool stuff. ;)

I'd rather listen to the trueHD currently plus IME menu system, extra content, interactive game, blu-screen picture in picture, DVD compatibility and web features that will give even more content and features all originally encoded for HD and not a ported over copy puts my vote for the HD DVD version

Unfortunately, it is the exact same VC-1 transfer. Warner has yet to give a different/optimized bluray encode. Why is this unfortunate? That the Blu isn't better? Come on... :rolleyes: ;)

Why is this unfortunate? That the Blu isn't better? Come on... :rolleyes: ;)

not that it isn't better compared to hd-dvd, but the fact that the format isn't utilitized to the fullest. it can be better than the current state of itself.

I already ordered the HD-DVD! I won't own a BR player until they work out the specs.

While I realize this thread is for format neutral consumers, I don't get why someone who doesn't own a Blu-ray player would chime in. :confused:

Ok can someone please post (no guesses) the confirmed audio specs for 300 on blu-ray and hd-dvd.

While I realize this thread is for format neutral consumers, I don't get why someone who doesn't own a Blu-ray player would chime in. :confused:

to represent!

to represent!

I guess you could call it representing. Maybe I just don't get someone who doesn't own a player, or seem to be in the market for one anytime soon, posting in the blu-ray section. Ah well, keep representin'.

the reason you're being called a troll is probably b/c you listed reasons for getting the hd-dvd that the OP have already stated means nothing to him.

my thoughts on this choice, if the extras mean nothing, get the cheaper version. also as of right now it's pretty imminent that BD will win the format war, so you can take that into consideration as well.


Imminent? All the marketing Sony and the BD association is doing and they are still only managing 60/40 or 70/30 sales lead. Low price is keeping HD-DVD in the game and this will continue unless Sony drops the price on the $500 stand alone unit.

Imminent? All the marketing Sony and the BD association is doing and they are still only managing 60/40 or 70/30 sales lead. Low price is keeping HD-DVD in the game and this will continue unless Sony drops the price on the $500 stand alone unit.

my bad, i should have added "just my opinion".

Ok can someone please post (no guesses) the confirmed audio specs for 300 on blu-ray and hd-dvd.

http://www.stopdave.com/images/WHV/300_BD_bck.jpg

There ya' go.
PCM English 5.1 on Blu-Ray.

I hope that the actual video presentation in the HD DVD / BD is similar to or better than the HD trailer.

http://www.stopdave.com/images/WHV/300_BD_bck.jpg

There ya' go.
PCM English 5.1 on Blu-Ray.


I think the question is about the TrueHD track. Rumor was the BD version was 24/48 and the HD version 16/48. Can any one verify?

Can any confirm the availability of PCM track in the BD version ? If so I am pre-ordering it today.

Can any confirm the availability of PCM track in the BD version ? If so I am pre-ordering it today.

no offense did you just miss the huge post above you?

I didn't miss it Rakesh bhai.
The audio spec is not listed properly in many web-sites including WHV.

It says MLP - Merdian Lossless Packing or scramble from LPCM ?

http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/product.jsp?OID=22573

Bottom line, most of the general watching and listening public could care less about special features! I like them but if you think this is going to sell a format, good luck... Some people want to pop it in sit back and relax! I for one like them on some movies..

Garman,

I hope that you reply is not related to the availability LCPM track in 300 BD.

To me, the extra features are negated by the fact that the HD DVD version is a combo. I don't want a DVD glued onto the other side of my HD disc.

Bingo. In a year or so you will have two nice coasters lying around for $5 more, if it even works when released...

;)

Since you're posting in the Blu-ray forum...Blu-ray.

Wolfie

I didn't miss it Rakesh bhai.
The audio spec is not listed properly in many web-sites including WHV.

It says MLP - Merdian Lossless Packing or scramble from LPCM ?

http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/product.jsp?OID=22573

pretty sure Rakesh is talking about the cover art post right above you of the BD backcover art, not the first post listing all the specs.

I have ordered the BD version as it's $4 cheaper than the HD DVD and it features uncompressed PCM track. I am not too keen on the IME side as I can't afford to spend more on Combos like I did for Iwo Jima, Fearless and Departed.

I didn't miss it Rakesh bhai.
The audio spec is not listed properly in many web-sites including WHV.

It says MLP - Merdian Lossless Packing or scramble from LPCM ?

http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/product.jsp?OID=22573

MLP = DolbyTrueHD, and you have also PCM track

Dolby True HD = 7.1
MLP = 5.1

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Dolby True HD = 7.1
MLP = 5.1

Please correct me if I am wrong.

well I don't know it this release is 5.1 or 7.1, and you can have DolbyTrueHD with 5.1 not just 7.1, so far all DolbyTrueHD releases were 5.1, but I am not 100% sure :)

I hope we will know soon what audio tracks will be on 300 :)

Marek

BD audio spec still not clear. Some say the Blu-ray features only PCM and not both PCM and Dolby True HD. It's a shame that even WHV doesn't mention the spec properly. Can some one please check and confirm ?

BD audio spec still not clear. Some say the Blu-ray features only PCM and not both PCM and Dolby True HD. It's a shame that even WHV doesn't mention the spec properly. Can some one please check and confirm ?

Please take a look at the big picture in the first post of this page. It clearly states TrueHD AND PCM.

Yes. I have seen it but some say it's incorrect. Anyway I have placed the order.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/pitohui/117720510557684.gif

One thing to consider is if your HD DVD player is connected to the internet, if not than extra features won't mean much as the best things they have added are web enabled.

If I want internet, I'll go on the damn internet. I don't need it in my movies. If they have content they want to put into the release, then put it on the damn disc. Don't shuffle it off to the internet just because they can't squeeze everything onto a 30GB disc. And if they've got the extra space on Blu-ray, which they do, then put the extra stuff on there.

If I want internet, I'll go on the damn internet. I don't need it in my movies. If they have content they want to put into the release, then put it on the damn disc. Don't shuffle it off to the internet just because they can't squeeze everything onto a 30GB disc. And if they've got the extra space on Blu-ray, which they do, then put the extra stuff on there.

Yeah it's not a matter of capacity its a matter of using the internet to link users together so they can share their favorite scenes and poll on what titles they would like to see and maybe some other really cool features, I know I can't wait to see what it has to offer. It's called INTERACTivity btw you dont have to be so defensive man. :confused:

If I want internet, I'll go on the damn internet. I don't need it in my movies. If they have content they want to put into the release, then put it on the damn disc. Don't shuffle it off to the internet just because they can't squeeze everything onto a 30GB disc. And if they've got the extra space on Blu-ray, which they do, then put the extra stuff on there.

POTC could not fit the movie and the extra features onto one disk either and soon the 51GB HD-DVDs should be out. Of course, King Kong fit onto a tiny little 30GB disk and looked better than 95% of the Bluray movies out there.

If he doesn't care about the extra features and if the PQ and AQ is the same then he might as well go for the cheaper one. Of course in a few years from now when he invites people over to watch it on Bluray they will have no idea what he's talking about, and the ones that do will be making Betamax jokes so he might want to consider that as well. :D

In King Kong HD DVD SQ was compromised by giving only DD+ because of lack of space.
If it came in BD-50 Universal can easily accommodate True HD and Uncompressed PCM track.

For example, the yet to be announced Lord of the Rings can't be easily fit into HD DVD without compromising bit rate on many areas. At least the special features of the movie has to be provided on the combo side or on a separate disc. So we can expect the bit rate to be on par with SD DVD for at least 1/5th of the feature's running time.

In King Kong HD DVD SQ was compromised by giving only DD+ because of lack of space.
Yes, of course. I'm sure Universal chose DD+ for lack of space.
Strange why they go with DD+ on so many other movies as well, but hey, in the case of King Kong it was definitely for lack of space. No doubt about it.

Yes, of course. I'm sure Universal chose DD+ for lack of space.
Strange why they go with DD+ on so many other movies as well, but hey, in the case of King Kong it was definitely for lack of space. No doubt about it.

If it wasn't space, it's just Universal being lame as usual. DD+ is indeed usually all Universal cares to offer us.

anyone confirm the sample rates for the audio yet? If it's the same as HDDVD I might end up having to go red on this one. First and foremost I want the movie pq/aq to be top notch. and after that it's special features. If a few extra dollars meant anything to me - I wouldn't be in this hobby in the first place. I've never seen so many early adopters so concerned over a couple of bucks. I always want the definitive version of any film I buy. All things equal I buy BR. But my loyalty to BR never trumps my desire to have the definitive version. T2 anyone?

After playing around with the interactive features on Blood Diamond (HD DVD) I have decided to go with the HD DVD version of 300 also. Some pretty cool stuff. ;)

Actually, I was a little underwhelmed by the interactive features on Blood Diamond. The online polling was less exciting than reading through AVS threads. :o

I was even less underwhelmed at first having my XA1 think Blood Diamond was a CD. After updating the FW from 2.2 to 2.3 it finally realized it was, in fact, an HD DVD. But then it froze on the initial menu. I had finally had to resort to boiling it in water to exorcise the demons. :mad:

I had 300 HD DVD on pre-order, and canceled and went with the version that will play on my PS3.

And it honestly pains me to admit that.