Does anyone know what version of Catalyst works to be able to get Hardware Accelleration to work with a Dual Display? I have yet to get HA to work from a CPU % standpoint. My most stable drivers are what came with my HD 2600 PRO AGP 512Md which is 7.9 per the DVD label. Anytime I've tried to update drivers, BlueRay and HD playback via POWERDVD Ultra is choppy.. Using 7.9, I can get smooth playback but CPU % is 95-98% for BlueRay, around 75-85% for HD. Am I correct to assume this is w/out HA?

I have P4 3.2 w/ 4GB..
The solution was just posted re: dual display and Cat 8.2: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13183236#post13183236

And, a program to add the tweaks: http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/ati-hd2x00/

When DXVA is working, I would expect to see PowerDVD at under 35% for your CPU.

The solution was just posted re: dual display and Cat 8.2: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13183236#post13183236

And, a program to add the tweaks: http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/ati-hd2x00/

When DXVA is working, I would expect to see PowerDVD at under 35% for your CPU.

Yes, applying these tweaks I have HA with two monitors with my 2600pro.

But I found out, that I have slight stuttering with H.264, if I use the dual monitor configuration.

If I configure my Beamer only, I have totally smooth running video...

So for me there is still a difference with single/dual configuration.

Best regards

maier2505

Any chance the dual-display regtweaks provide sound output from both ports if you have a pair of ATI dongles?

Or am I gonna have to test that out?

Just want to say thanks for all the info in this thread.

I just put a 2400 pro AGP in the HTPC in the lounge (not "my" room). The PC is old (XP2500+ o/c'ed to 3200 on a DFI Ultra Infinity NForce2 mobo).

Trying to get HA working in any shape or form has been a nightmare, but this thread came to my rescue.

After changing the dll's for non SSE2 processors (way back in this thread somewhere) I found that I couldn't play AVC in MPC using overlay, had to switch to VMR9. Just got a black screen when using overlay (before renaming the dll's I got a picture using either all be it with no HA). What I find strange about this is that I have a 2600 Pro AGP in another system 2.6GHz P4 on i865 mobo and I get HA working with both overlay and WMR9.

On the 2400 pro system HA for VC1 is working fine for Blu-ray in PowerDVD, but MPEG2 is a joke, no HA and loads of stutter. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Rob.

Solution to 8.2 dual display acceleration bug:

Create reg entries vforceuvdvc1 and vforceuvdh264 and set both to 1


This is absolutely great! I have Dell 3007 and a 2600Pro AGP. Now HA is working even at 2560x1600 resolution.

It feels like it has offloaded some more from the CPU but still not enough to decode DD TrueHD titles without stutter.

Yes, applying these tweaks I have HA with two monitors with my 2600pro.

But I found out, that I have slight stuttering with H.264, if I use the dual monitor configuration.



Darn. Did you have smooth dual display acceleration with previous drivers? Also, do software renderer stats show any framedrop/jitter? (eg in MPC stats).

On the 2400 pro system HA for VC1 is working fine for Blu-ray in PowerDVD, but MPEG2 is a joke, no HA and loads of stutter. Any ideas?


For reasons too boring to repeat, mpeg2 is actually much more difficult for the 2400 than vc1/h264. You'll need dxva_nohddecode=0 at bare minimum, and possibly HWUVD_ForceMPEG2=1 for recent drivers. However, since you're using XP I'm guessing a bit here :-(

You also might want to try other decoders - with some driver versions, the avivo mpeg2 codec has been less stressful on the card than cyberlink's.

Also, what gpu % are you seeing in CCC when playing fullscreen 1080i mpeg2? If it's maxxed that's likely the problem, and you will need to try reduce the stress on the GPU. At a guess, try trdenoise=0. If that doesn't stop it hitting 100%, a solution is to go to software decoding, but with hardware deinterlacing, but that's a pita to set up, so post if you need.

The solution was just posted re: dual display and Cat 8.2: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13183236#post13183236

And, a program to add the tweaks: http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/ati-hd2x00/

When DXVA is working, I would expect to see PowerDVD at under 35% for your CPU.

Thanks ExDeus. I've added the tweeks will check this out here soon.. Thanks for the CPU% target..

ExDeus, are new registry keys introducced on version 0.12 specific for some driver set.. 7.10, 8.2..??
My config is Vista ultimate+7.7 drivers and i have problems with Mpeg2 HA. Slow playback and sound loops that freezes image for few seconds during playback. CPU power is not the problem here.. i updated my system and now i have C2D E6600
I will try this new registry tweak.
Thank you in advance

shurik_1, are you using XP or Vista for 2560x1600 resolution HA?

shurik_1, are you using XP or Vista for 2560x1600 resolution HA?

XP SP2

This is absolutely great! I have Dell 3007 and a 2600Pro AGP. Now HA is working even at 2560x1600 resolution.


2560x1600 ?? Thats just plain greedy.

Thanks to ExDeus and arfster for the reg twiddles, have got 8.2 up and running with HA now.

Just a couple of minor questions...

Does the ATI 2600 do noise reduction, if so where is the setting/adjustment?

Does anyone know an easy way to get dropped frames info when playing direct from disk with PowerDvd? It's playing quite nicely but every now and then I think it loses a frame or two and I want to know if I'm imagining it.

Cheers!

Does anyone know an easy way to get dropped frames info when playing direct from disk with PowerDvd? It's playing quite nicely but every now and then I think it loses a frame or two and I want to know if I'm imagining it.
Other people say they experience frame dropping with HA as well. See here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13148706&postcount=68).

Does the ATI 2600 do noise reduction, if so where is the setting/adjustment?


Yes, it's automatic with interlaced stuff, when VA/MA deinterlacing is on. That should be pretty much all interlaced stuff, although they like to break auto-mode selection with every 2nd driver release (with the result it uses bob). It's fine with 8.2, although I think 8.1 was crocked.

You can switch it off with trdenoise=0 in the registry, if you want.

if not posted before

for the experienced user :

interesting new Bioseditor for 3xxx ATI_GPUs with the possibility to manipulate

UVD - 2D - 3D clocks-Vcore

out of good old Germany

best

mine

Q: computerbase

here (http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=372893)

Thanks for the tweak 0.12. My HD2400Pro AGP is now working up to 1680x1050 after apply it. I am running Windows XP SP2, Atnlon XP 2500+ with 2G RAM. Cat 7.7. I will test it tomorrow for the 1080i/p output.

I am trying every single version of CAT driver and even Omega driver but my PowerDVD 3319a still reluctant to turn on the DXVA. I nearly give up until today I read the thread of 0.12 is available. Before, it only have the DXVA turns on up to 1440x900.

Now I need some help on 690G. I know this is off topic. But if anyone can help to direct me to correct forum?

if not posted before

for the experienced user :

interesting new Bioseditor for 3xxx ATI_GPUs with the possibility to manipulate

UVD - 2D - 3D clocks-Vcore

out of good old Germany

best

mine

Q: computerbase

here (http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=372893)


Looks pretty good. Is there one available for the 2x00 series?? I want it...

so far only for 3xxxx cards

"Rabit " bios editor for 2xxxx :

"the coding is at 80% finished. I am speaking with the coder on regular basis, and see some of the beta versions but none is yet at a state to release to the public "

source: MVKTech Support Forums

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Thought, that they have stopped development of Rabit. Good to hear, that there is some progress. When do you think will it released?

Is there a chance in releasing it in first half of 08?

With the hwa patch installed is there a way to have the option to turn hardware acceleration on or off manually? I would like to use the Video Enhancements option in PDVD ultra. VC-1 and the other codec turns hwa on while a bluray movie is playing and I can't turn it off if needed. Only MPEG 2 movies works without HWA.

Help.

Processing power is not an issue with my system so with hwa off if only get 50- 60% cpu usage.

ok... this will sound silly.. BUT.. is there a way to see if HWA is working other than just checking cpu usage?

Been trying to beat down a small lag problem playing h.264 in dvbdream for bout a year now... tonight i switched from a 7600GT to a 2600hd, love the pic quality of ATI... not sure if its using hwa though, i ran the tweak vbs..

BTW, machine is a e6400@3.2ghz, 2gb mem.. using bout 40% cpu for h.264

Rpml: On a fast dualcore, the CPU use will be <1% if acceleration is working, and most of that is probably the dvb app itself. I averaged it with perfmon and dvbviewer playing BBC HD (16mbit 1080i h264 w/ mbaff), and on a 2ghz it was approx 0.5%.

This is sometimes disguised with Bluray/HDDVD because powerdvd is doing a whole host of other things, but the cpu hit for vc1/h264 playback on these cards is essentially nothing.

Thanks arf, i need to see if i can find another dvb app that does h.264 i think:)

Thanks arf, i need to see if i can find another dvb app that does h.264 i think:)

If you're in Vista, EVR is needed for h264 acceleration, and dvbdream doesn't support that (dvbviewer does).

yeah, took a look at dvbviewer, doesn't do what i would like it to do:) now to aska silly question.. whats EVR?

If you're in Vista, EVR is needed for h264 acceleration, and dvbdream doesn't support that (dvbviewer does).

Hi Arfster

yepp

f.y.i.

initiated a poll for better EVR-support in dvbviewer
(Zoom and AR ratio fixes)

http://www.dvbviewer.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=24814&hl=

and ThomasL made a EVR plugin (workaround for Zoom-AR) that worked for me in Vista SP1 (RTM)

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Rpml: On a fast dualcore, the CPU use will be <1% if acceleration is working, and most of that is probably the dvb app itself. I averaged it with perfmon and dvbviewer playing BBC HD (16mbit 1080i h264 w/ mbaff), and on a 2ghz it was approx 0.5%.

This is sometimes disguised with Bluray/HDDVD because powerdvd is doing a whole host of other things, but the cpu hit for vc1/h264 playback on these cards is essentially nothing.

I've got a BE-2350 Dual Core running at 2.1 Ghz. Now I realise its a fair bit slower than a Core2 Duo, and I bought it for the low-power/low-heat/low-noise side of things rather than power, but even with HA (on a 2600pro) a BD film like Shoot 'Em Up probably averages about 40% CPU (peaks at 50-odd), and an HD title like Serenity trundles along at aroung 25-30% (peaks in the 40s). If I don't have HA running, the CPU averages 80+ on Shoot Em Up, and stutters like a bugger when it maxes out completely. This is just playing disks with PowerDvd (1920 @ 24Hz), without anything else significant going on.

Is there THAT big a difference between Intels and AMDs, is PowerDvd THAT greedy, or am I missing something?

Is there THAT big a difference between Intels and AMDs,


Not really tbh.


is PowerDvd THAT greedy,

Oh yes :-)

The best way to demonstrate this is to decrypt a disc and then play it through the UVD. For example, I just fired poTC2 through MPC, it was averaging 3% CPU (and most of that was probably recoding the sound to my little desktop USB speakers).

By the way, just heard advanced sliders (denoise/sharpening) are back in 8.3

I spoke too soon about 8.2 working well. Perhaps it is my fault, for experimenting with higher resolution outputs. I had it working at 1700x1000; but could not adjust the overscan for some reason. The picture would not fill up the full screen. In the process of trying to fix the problem, I froze up the video drivers. Had to reboot into low res VGA settings the had to rebuild the drivers. I did use a driver cleaning utility...I suppose that could be a source of some of my new problems.

Of course then I had problems installing 7.7....yadda yadda yadda. Ended up installing the old 7.7 tweaked driver set...but CCC didn't work well, so went to 8.2. Which is still not working well.

The problem is with CCC; it seems to freeze when making even simple adjustments. With any luck 8.3 will be more stable.

In the meantime, I'll take suggestions.

By the way, just heard advanced sliders (denoise/sharpening) are back in 8.3

Oooo. Something else for me to bugger up.

Any idea when 8.3 is due to grace us with its presence ?

Just made my way through the 150 pages odyssey on "ATI vs rest of the world". Nice bed time reading...

I, as many here, am in the AGP HA for 1080p or 500$ for new system kind of dilemma and although I haven't e-bayed the card yet, I'm waiting for first signs of light in the tunnel and I'd do it.

Now, it looks like on some recent pages, folks with set-up similar to mine managed to use the 2x00 PRO AGP for some or all HA of 1080p h264 content.

Currently I can play all but high bitrate 1080p movies using CoreAVC and things tend to fly (70-80% CPU). So I guess I can still live with the set-up, but if 2400 PRO could help to offload the CPU just by 20-30% I'd reach nirvana.

Am I right that we've reached this state?
--
Barebone ASUS HTPC, PIV 3.0, 768MB RAM, XP SP2, Mitsu 4900 1080p PJ

Am I right that we've reached this state?


I am holding out for a class action law suit or a recall to take place vs fleebay. Until then I will continue to use a old Nvidia 6200 that outperforms the 2600. The product does not work with Vista at the advertised resolution and someone is going to have to pay. Right now the consumers are suffering/paying, but enought complaints and something will have to be done.

File a complaint with the manufacturere and the government (BBB).

I was thinking about getting a 8X AGP 2600XT (Because my computer doesn't support PCIE) and I just had a quick question. I was assuming that I could buy the card, get a DVI->HDMI adapter and buy a HDMI cable to hook it up to my HDTV. But I was told about an "ATI Cable".. which I have never heard of before. I was also told that unless I had said ATI Cable I couldn't watch anything on the TV. Is there such a thing and where would I get it? (If anyone knows) Thanks.

-Travis

Hey folks

which is the best driver to use for the GECUBE hd2600 512 AGP?


also powerdvd keeps crashing no matter what video i play with it? anyone got any ideas

currently testing with a athlon xp 3ghz, 2gb ram, windows xp pro


i've tested some h264 mkv samples in windows media player im getting about 50% cpu usage - is this good? (ui notice ffdshow is running so i guess its using that) does this mean hardware accerlation is not being used? is there anyway for me to get hardware acceralation working for any other players (really not liking powerdvd at the moment )

Just made my way through the 150 pages odyssey on "ATI vs rest of the world". Nice bed time reading...

I, as many here, am in the AGP HA for 1080p or 500$ for new system kind of dilemma and although I haven't e-bayed the card yet, I'm waiting for first signs of light in the tunnel and I'd do it.

Now, it looks like on some recent pages, folks with set-up similar to mine managed to use the 2x00 PRO AGP for some or all HA of 1080p h264 content.

Currently I can play all but high bitrate 1080p movies using CoreAVC and things tend to fly (70-80% CPU). So I guess I can still live with the set-up, but if 2400 PRO could help to offload the CPU just by 20-30% I'd reach nirvana.

Am I right that we've reached this state?
--
Barebone ASUS HTPC, PIV 3.0, 768MB RAM, XP SP2, Mitsu 4900 1080p PJ

After my nightmare trying to get DXVA working with an AGP card and Vista, I would recommend you don't do it.

ATI is no longer even making drivers that "officially" support AGP 2X00 cards for Vista so you know they will never work well.

Reading through this thread, there are tons of posts about AGP 2X00 cards not working and about hacks that attempt to force them to work.

On the other hand, a PCIe based system typically works very well and doesn't cost very much these days.

Hey folks

which is the best driver to use for the GECUBE hd2600 512 AGP?


Which ever one works. I'm afraid there isn't a better answer than that - it's very much trial and error to find one that does.


i've tested some h264 mkv samples in windows media player im getting about 50% cpu usage - is this good? (ui notice ffdshow is running so i guess its using that) does this mean hardware accerlation is not being used? is there anyway for me to get hardware acceralation working for any other players (really not liking powerdvd at the moment )

FFDshow doesn't support acceleration at all, so you're entirely in software. PDVD's decoder does, and so does the latest MPC beta (see the thread in doom9's software forum).

ok thanks

i think ill have to format because i cant for the life of me get this to use hardware ...



any pointers on where to go for the drivers

went to the amd/ati site --- tried to drill down for drivers - NO AGP 2600 LISTED! only the pcie is listed in the drivers


the drivers with the gecube say catalyst 7.10 and driver packaging version 8.43


anyone using anything later that is working?

As I understand it, AGP cards for the 2400 and 2600 use AGP bridges designed by the OEMs, not ATI itself. So any AGP drivers come from the OEMs. ATI basically wants no responsibility for AGP support for the 2400 and 2600.

Wow, as I was having display problems I tried a suggestion that I had hitherto ignored, namely to use a program to clean out ATI drivers before reinstalling the ATI utilities. I am using Vista.

I am now in driver hell. I keep getting error messages about registry permissions not allowed, and something about a MOM implementation error.

Anybody go through this, and can suggest a way out? I can't install drivers, CCC, or anything. This problem seems to go very deep, and seems to be independent of whether I try to intall 7.6, 7.7.8.2, etc.

I should mention that I tried a system restore, but unfortunately the restore points do not go far back enough.

Wow, as I was having display problems I tried a suggestion that I had hitherto ignored, namely to use a program to clean out ATI drivers before reinstalling the ATI utilities. I am using Vista.

I am now in driver hell. I keep getting error messages about registry permissions not allowed, and something about a MOM implementation error.

Anybody go through this, and can suggest a way out? I can't install drivers, CCC, or anything. This problem seems to go very deep, and seems to be independent of whether I try to intall 7.6, 7.7.8.2, etc.

Well been there, done that.. :)

The only thing that gets things going is to uninstall all ATI releated stuff using first the ATI uninstall tool (found in add/remove programs). Then find some tool to get rid of everything ATI related in filesystem and in registry.

I've done it manually up till now: Delete all "C:\program files\ATI*" directories. Go into regedit and find under HKEY_CURRENT_USER/SOftware/ATI* delete the ATI* key(s). Also do the same under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\ATI* delete the ATI* key(s).

Reboot and then reinstall ATI drivers/CCC etc.
This has always worked for me. When it didn't work I forgot to remove something before re-installing.

After my nightmare trying to get DXVA working with an AGP card and Vista, I would recommend you don't do it.

ATI is no longer even making drivers that "officially" support AGP 2X00 cards for Vista so you know they will never work well.

Reading through this thread, there are tons of posts about AGP 2X00 cards not working and about hacks that attempt to force them to work.

On the other hand, a PCIe based system typically works very well and doesn't cost very much these days.

Thanks pal. I love troubleshooting but only when there is hope.. In this case I think I'll put up some $$ for a new system and meanwhile troubleshoot my bike ;)

pnyberg,

Thanks for your post. I think you are correct in what I need to do. The challenge right now is that there are one or two registry entries under ATI that will not let me delete them (a permissions issue). Interestingly, no owners were shown. I added myself (as the admin) to the ownership list, but still can not remove them.

Under Vista, is there some kind of technique to force removal of a registry entry?

originalsnuffy

Did you take ownership of the keys in the registry?
That should work provided your are the admin on the box, otherwise I would suspect some disk problem (NTFS) - you could try do a "chkdsk c: /f".

Regards

By the way, just heard advanced sliders (denoise/sharpening) are back in 8.3

Not sure if it works or not or if it's the same thing Arfster is talking about thats in 8.3 but there's a tab called Advanced Quality on the CCC once these settings are applied. The only trouble I'm having is tryin to move the slider... not sure if its bc I gotten the hexidecimal and decimal value switched or not.

For XP users...
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI\ACE\Backup\Settings\Graphics \MMVideo]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI\ACE\Backup\Settings\Graphics \MMVideo\Denoise]
"Accessible"="Compaq_Owner"
"Denoise"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI\ACE\Backup\Settings\Graphics \MMVideo\EdgeEnhance]
"Accessible"="Compaq_Owner"
"EdgeEnhance"=dword:00000100

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7860/cccur9.jpg

Not sure if it works or not or if it's the same thing Arfster is talking about thats in 8.3 but there's a tab called Advanced Quality on the CCC once these settings are applied. The only trouble I'm having is tryin to move the slider... not sure if its bc I gotten the hexidecimal and decimal value switched or not.

For XP users...
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI\ACE\Backup\Settings\Graphics \MMVideo]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI\ACE\Backup\Settings\Graphics \MMVideo\Denoise]
"Accessible"="Compaq_Owner"
"Denoise"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI\ACE\Backup\Settings\Graphics \MMVideo\EdgeEnhance]
"Accessible"="Compaq_Owner"
"EdgeEnhance"=dword:00000100

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7860/cccur9.jpg

How with Vista

thank's

Not sure if it works or not or if it's the same thing Arfster is talking about thats in 8.3 but there's a tab called Advanced Quality on the CCC once these settings are applied. The only trouble I'm having is tryin to move the slider... not sure if its bc I gotten the hexidecimal and decimal value switched or not.
.........


Nice find, works in Vista too.

By the way, 8.3 is coming with denoise set on and defaulting to 64, so it's clearly intended to be used. Sharpening is off though.

Hi, I have this problem and it's driving me mad. My MoBo is an Intel D945 GCF. Some months ago I bought an Ati Radeon HD2400 Pro GFX card and it was working fine... Then my BIOS had a memory problem and I wasn't sure if it was the VRAM or my RAM so I removed the card for a while, after I realised that the problem were bad memory modules I bought new ones and installed the card again. Surprise! My system doesn't boot, my monitor shows that there is no signal available. I mounted my old but trusty x550 and it ran fine, but with my new HD.... I called Gateway tech support and they told me that I needed a new PSU because the card used a lot more of power than the vendor told me, I had a 350w PSU and right away switched to a 400w one. My card still doesn't work, nor my rig boots. Any help would be appreciated since I've done these things:

-uninstall catalyst drivers
-disabling onboard video
-changing the jumper position of my card (i dont know what's that jumper for)
-reseting the CMOS
-removing and inserting the card several times (with care of course)

HELP, please...

Vendor is Powercolor

Cheers

Thanks for the tweak 0.12. After applied it, I have DXVA turns on all the time up to 1920 x 1200. But there is a problem that if I use dual screen, it will crash after a while. I test for single screen (DVI output without VGA connected) only and have nothing other than the PowerDVD running. Play a VC-1 movie at 1080p with CPU loading around 45% and picture run smooth. my configuration as follow:

CPU: Athlon XP 2500+
RAM: 2GB in dual channel
VGA: Gecube HD2400Pro AGP 256M
OS: Windows XP SP2
Driver: CAT 7.7 and 8.2

Before I apply the 0.12 tweak, I can only have DXVA turns on up to 1440x900 but not higher. It proved that the ATI hardware is good but the driver is crab and need tweak.

Please if anyone have idea how to make dual screen works.

How on earth do I get component video to work on my ATI Radeon HT 2600XT?

I recently bought a home theater PC that runs Vista. My TV has component video inputs (no hdmi), and has 1080i and 480p (no 720p). I have catalyst 8.1.

I am trying to have my TV as essentially a second monitor to which I extend my Windows desktop. I have a monitor hooked up as my main display that works fine.

My setup is identical to what I was successfully using on my old system. On that system, and had a radeon 9800, and ran catalyst 4.12. I used an ATI DVI-component adapter with six switches (to enable and disable options such as 480p, 1080i, etc.). It was quite a bit of work to make that work on component video; I had to run a resolution of 720 x 480, and then go to the appropriate component video setting for the video card software (through the video card options I could run 1080i even though the official display setting was 720 by 480).

With an identical setup on my new system, I cannot get it to work. Catalyst 8.1 doesn't seem to have the right options, unlike 4.12. The video card card has two DVI outputs and a 7-pin S-video output The video card came with an adapter of 7-pin S-video to component video. I tried that, but I cannot enable the display with that hooked up. Same result when I try to hook up with S-video (although I want component, not S-video). When I try to enable the display, it just instantly goes back to being disabled, both with the Windows display options and the catalyst control center.

I also tried using the DVI to component video adapter that I used with my radeon 9800. With that setup, I can enable the TV display, but the output is ultra-distorted, the kind of output you see when the resolution or refresh rate isn't set correctly.

The help files indicate something about component video properties. That would seem to be exactly what I need to make this work. However, there doesn't seem to be any way to get to component video properties. It seems like somehow I need to let the computer know that "monitor 0" is an HDTV with component video, but there doesn't seem to be any way to do that.

I have spent a long time trying to make this work, with no luck. Can anyone help me? Has anyone gotten component video to work on a 2600 XT? If so, how?

Hello everybody,
Please forgive my mistakes in english as I am french. Maybe this great forum will help me with the problem I have since...4 monthes. I have an HTPC Acer Aspire L200 Living Centre (AMD Athlon 64, 3200+ (Winchester), Socket 939, 512 Ko L2) motherboard : MSI MS-7093 RS480M2, integrated GC : ATI Xpress 200 128Mo shared with Vista installed. Everything worked well for reading normal SD videos. When I bought my HD Camera (Sony HDR-SR1) that creates avchd file (.m2ts), I tried to read them on my pc and as expected it was impossible to rerad them, the processor is not strong enough. So I heard about the new ATI HD 2x00 and I thought it was THE solution to help me in place of buying a new pc. So I bought an ATI HD 2400 Pro 128mb pcie from Club 3d , fanless and low-profile as the L200 has a very slim case. When I plugged it and started the system, the pc became EXTREMELY slow and the fans were always at max and cpu at 100% ! I thought it could be because the drivers are not yet installed, so I installed the last CCC (but it took 1 hour so much the pc was slow) and nothing changed. I contacted Club3d that approximatly answered me the problem could be the motherboard drivers that need update for Vista...But as the motherboard chipset is an ATI xpress 200, I thought the CCC (from Sapphire for the HD 2400 pro) would also update the drivers for the motherboard chipset if necessary (I'm not sure about it). But to be sure I installed the drivers the ATI xpress 200 before plugging the 2400 pro, plugged the 2400 pro, reinstalled the CCC for 2400 and...nothing changed, the system is too slow and unstable with always 100%cpu even without doing anything !!!
I saw somewhere in Google that somebody had this problem, and after installing XP, the 2400 worked. I did it, reinstallation of XP sp2, plug the 2400 without drivers first, and ... it worked (cpu normal) with default vga driver, and after installation of CCC, it worked even better. I tried to read avchd files with last Powerdvd and it worked but the cpu is 90% (probably without hardware acceleration), so I need probably to tweak it with your registry program on this forum.
So first, as I heard the ATI 2400 pro pcie worked better with Vista (and I prefer Vista) for the HA, has somebody an idea why my pc could become so slow with Vista and not with XP ? Could it be the 128mb are too short to work well or maybe something else ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated !

One last precision, the Acer L200 has more than 2 years and was originally furnished with XP media Center. I installed Vista Ultimate four monthes ago.
Thanks by advance

memes_be:

I suppose you had the same problem as me when upgrading to Vista as I've explained here: http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/codecs-external-players-55/micro-stuttering-judder-hd2600xt-hw-accelerated-h-264-a-32204/#post214835

Basically the onboard audio on the HD card is interfering with your other audio board. So what I did was to disable the audio driver on the HD card - and the problem went away (since I already have an audio card with spdif-out).

Good luck!

Hi, jlander !

In before: I do not use component and I am currently not near my system...

Somewhere in CCC you have a button "force TV detection".

In beginning I checked that box by fault, and then I got the detection of a TV not a Computer screen..., even if I have no connection to a TV...

Please try that, perhaps it brings you a step further...

Best regards

maier2505

How on earth do I get component video to work on my ATI Radeon HT 2600XT?

I recently bought a home theater PC that runs Vista. My TV has component video inputs (no hdmi), and has 1080i and 480p (no 720p). I have catalyst 8.1.

I am trying to have my TV as essentially a second monitor to which I extend my Windows desktop. I have a monitor hooked up as my main display that works fine.

My setup is identical to what I was successfully using on my old system. On that system, and had a radeon 9800, and ran catalyst 4.12. I used an ATI DVI-component adapter with six switches (to enable and disable options such as 480p, 1080i, etc.). It was quite a bit of work to make that work on component video; I had to run a resolution of 720 x 480, and then go to the appropriate component video setting for the video card software (through the video card options I could run 1080i even though the official display setting was 720 by 480).

With an identical setup on my new system, I cannot get it to work. Catalyst 8.1 doesn't seem to have the right options, unlike 4.12. The video card card has two DVI outputs and a 7-pin S-video output The video card came with an adapter of 7-pin S-video to component video. I tried that, but I cannot enable the display with that hooked up. Same result when I try to hook up with S-video (although I want component, not S-video). When I try to enable the display, it just instantly goes back to being disabled, both with the Windows display options and the catalyst control center.

I also tried using the DVI to component video adapter that I used with my radeon 9800. With that setup, I can enable the TV display, but the output is ultra-distorted, the kind of output you see when the resolution or refresh rate isn't set correctly.

The help files indicate something about component video properties. That would seem to be exactly what I need to make this work. However, there doesn't seem to be any way to get to component video properties. It seems like somehow I need to let the computer know that "monitor 0" is an HDTV with component video, but there doesn't seem to be any way to do that.

I have spent a long time trying to make this work, with no luck. Can anyone help me? Has anyone gotten component video to work on a 2600 XT? If so, how?

Thanks Pnyberg, I try to disable the audio of the 2400 pro because I have also the integrated sound card I use with spdif on my sony amplifier (and I'm wondering how I could use the sound of the 2400 pro as I don't have HDMI on it but only dvi and vga wich I use). I'll let you know.

How with Vista

thank's

I used the name I logon the computer with for the Accessible value. Arfster can correct me on this if i'm wrong but Im thinking it would be somethin like...

"Denoise" reg_sz "0" in the Denoise folder
and "EdgeEnhance" reg_sz "50" in the EdgeEnhance folder.
Setting the edge setting too high could possibly produce visible
artifacts if my memory serves me right.

I used the name I logon the computer with for the Accessible value. Arfster can correct me on this if i'm wrong but Im thinking it would be somethin like...

"Denoise" reg_sz "0" in the Denoise folder
and "EdgeEnhance" reg_sz "50" in the EdgeEnhance folder.
Setting the edge setting too high could possibly produce visible
artifacts if my memory serves me right.


I think it was dwords for those two, and then a reboot. You can then use the sliders to control em though, so the exact figures you select above don't matter.

Of course, there's probably a reason why they don't have them visible :-)

I think it was dwords for those two, and then a reboot. You can then use the sliders to control em though, so the exact figures you select above don't matter.

Of course, there's probably a reason why they don't have them visible :-)

Ok, cool! just curious since I havent used vista yet

I was thinking about getting a 8X AGP 2600XT (Because my computer doesn't support PCIE) and I just had a quick question. I was assuming that I could buy the card, get a DVI->HDMI adapter and buy a HDMI cable to hook it up to my HDTV. But I was told about an "ATI Cable".. which I have never heard of before. I was also told that unless I had said ATI Cable I couldn't watch anything on the TV. Is there such a thing and where would I get it? (If anyone knows) Thanks.

-Travis

There is an ATI DVI->HDMI converter dongle thing (that annoyingly my 2600XT didn't come with) that supports sound via HDMI. I bought a random DVI->HDMI cable and it works perfectly for video but not sound (even though I bought an expensive one that supports audio). I've never seen any reports here about video not working with non ATI cables but if you want audio I think your only hope is with the ATI dongle. I take the audio into a surround receiver via spdif so dont really care about audio via HDMI so any old DVI->HDMI cable works.

Pnyberg, God bless you ! It was effectively the HD sound from the 2400 that was interfering with the onboard audio controller, after disabling, cpu begin to be normal again and I can read my m2ts files on my AMD 3200+ with Powerdvd now ! Just some tests to tweak the performance, and I am in heaven...I am in heaven...;o))
Thanks a lot to you Pnyberg, and to all of you for this super forum !

PS : 1) I tried also Intervideo Windvd 8 that seems to have a sharper picture than Powerdvd on my plasma (with component input only), and I have heard good things about Totalmedia Theatre Arcsoft (have to test it) for HA. Have anybody experienced one of those other readers with HA ?
2) How can you be sure the HA is working ? I assume it is because it was impossible to read those files before...but is there somewhere with Powerdvd for example that indicates that ?

Thanks!

HI i have catalyst 8.2 installed and games play well but i cant get any hardware acceleration. I have an his HD2600 512 and i am running xp. I was wondering if i need to adjust bios settings such as Fastwrite, voltage, or aperature. I can't even get wmv or quicktime HD 720p trailers to work.

Hi again,

I can't have HA with Powerdvd. I have it with Arcsoft Media Theatre working perfectly 20% cpu usage with my AMD Athlon 3200+ Vista 1.5 Gb ram with m2ts(avchd) files at 1080i. With Powerdvd, I crossed the HA selection in the setup, but when I read my m2ts files, it is automatiquely not checked anymore and I read my file with 100% usage cpu (and lot of fans noise) !
Has anybody an idea or experienced that ?
Thanks

OK, I think I know the answer but I I just want someone to tell me...

I've got an AGP Athlon 64 3400+ HTPC, I'm in "need" of a Blu-ray player, and given that I need the player to do the decoding, none of the current standalones will work. Should I even try an AGP 2600 on XP, or is that just destined to fail?

Glad I found this thread.
I just bought an ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 512mb for $70 from a CompUSA store that was closing.
Great info in this thread.

OK, I think I know the answer but I I just want someone to tell me...

I've got an AGP Athlon 64 3400+ HTPC, I'm in "need" of a Blu-ray player, and given that I need the player to do the decoding, none of the current standalones will work. Should I even try an AGP 2600 on XP, or is that just destined to fail?

3850 is the way to go ...best bang on the buck in my humble opinion

best

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Hey guys, I have a PCI (yes, PCI) HD2400 Pro coming in this week. Going to give it a try and see if it accelerates. :-p

HI i have catalyst 8.2 installed and games play well but i cant get any hardware acceleration. I have an his HD2600 512 and i am running xp. I was wondering if i need to adjust bios settings such as Fastwrite, voltage, or aperature. I can't even get wmv or quicktime HD 720p trailers to work.

Do not play with BIOS , it is not necessary...

First important question: which H.264 Codec do you have installed, supporting HA ?

PowerDVD Deluxe or Ultra for example ?

Best regards

maier2505

3850 is the way to go ...best bang on the buck in my humble opinion

Are you saying there's an AGP version?

HI i have catalyst 8.2 installed and games play well but i cant get any hardware acceleration. I have an his HD2600 512 and i am running xp. I was wondering if i need to adjust bios settings such as Fastwrite, voltage, or aperature. I can't even get wmv or quicktime HD 720p trailers to work.

WMV doesn't accelerate, cos there isn't any codec that supports it. VC1 does though.

Quicktime does accelerate with h264 decoders that support acceleration - in this case PDVD, arcsoft and the internal MPC-HC beta.

Just stopping by to inform you guys of my experience:

OS: WinXP fully updated
Card: Club3d 2400pro AGP
Driver: Ati catalyst 8.2
Resolution: 1280*720

Hddvd/Bluray, working with powerdvd
mkv, not working with cyberlink decoder
mkv, working perfectly with MPC-HC


Are you using PowerDVD for the HD and BD playback?

If so can you confirm that the Avivo hardware acceleration in PowerDVD stays checked while the movie is playing?

Thanks!

Hi maier2505,

Unfortunately, I already tried that. I tried it once again after you mentioned it, but no luck. I also tried clicking on "detect displays" with force TV detection checked, hoping that maybe then it would somehow register the TV as an HDTV and enable component video options--no luck there either. But thanks for trying to help me out.

Hopefully someone can help me. Someone who posts to this thread must have gotten component video to work with a 2XXX XT card. If so, how did you do it?

Hi, jlander !

In before: I do not use component and I am currently not near my system...

Somewhere in CCC you have a button "force TV detection".

In beginning I checked that box by fault, and then I got the detection of a TV not a Computer screen..., even if I have no connection to a TV...

Please try that, perhaps it brings you a step further...

Best regards

maier2505

Hopefully someone can help me. Someone who posts to this thread must have gotten component video to work with a 2XXX XT card. If so, how did you do it?

I have component video hooked up with my ATI HD 2600XT and it works flawlessly, including automatically detecting the TV.

All I have to do to turn it on is go into CCC, click on "Displays Manager", and enable the TV in the "Attached display currently disabled" region (clone, click and drag to swap, or extend).

I haven't carefully read you previous posts, but from what I have read it seems like the video card is unable to detect that there is a device hooked up using component video.

Perhaps there is a problem with the component splitter cable that you are using. Is the cable the correct one? I do know that there are different ones that will plug in, but not work (I have one from an Nvidia card that will plug in, but not function with an ATI card for example). Most likely the pin-outs are different between ATI and Nvidia.

Other than that, I can't think of anything that would make the card unable to detect that something is plugged in using component (unless the card is broken).

WMV doesn't accelerate, cos there isn't any codec that supports it. VC1 does though.

Quicktime does accelerate with h264 decoders that support acceleration - in this case PDVD, arcsoft and the internal MPC-HC beta.

arfster, have you found anywhere an explanation on what is going on with wmv in Vista?

My understanding (according to replies to support requests I have logged with ATI) was there was a bug in Vista when it was first released. I was told that in the near future MS was going to fix the bug and ATI would make sure that wmv acceleration worked properly.

My support request was to ATI in January 2007 and here we are in March 2008 and wmv acceleration still doesn't work in Vista. It works fine in XP and still ATI advertises that their HD cards accelerate wmv in Vista, but it has never worked.

Have you managed to find information on this from anywhere? Is wmv acceleration ever going to work in Vista?

sorry to get off the subject but... dxva_nohddecode and dxva_detailenhance are dwords when using XP, correct?

Hopefully someone can help me. Someone who posts to this thread must have gotten component video to work with a 2XXX XT card. If so, how did you do it?

jlander, are you using the svid to component adapter and also have another display hooked up to the card? If yes then try switching the other display over to the other output on the opposite side.

sorry to get off the subject but... dxva_nohddecode and dxva_detailenhance are dwords when using XP, correct?

Strings work for me.

Oh boy, its bad when i cant choose between the 9250 series or the Radeon HD 2400 pro that i have, isnt it?

Cause like.. I read somewhere 9250 is discontinued but does great with removing artifacts in images

arfster, have you found anywhere an explanation on what is going on with wmv in Vista?


Fraid not - have to assume they just don't give a monkeys :-( I suppose it doesn't matter too much, as really hardtoplay WMV files are usually VC1, which it can accelerate.

I have just upgraded from an X1650XT to an HD3870, and I've applied the registry tweaks (since it's the same as the 2600 videowise).

However, I have been underwhelmed by the SD MPEG2 deinterlacing performance. Although the picture is retaining more detail than the 1650, I'm seeing an uncomfortable level of jaggies. This card should be matching the best that standalone equipment has to offer and it's falling far short at present.

With the registry tweaks, I'm forcing it to do vector adaptive deinterlacing, so I'm not exactly optimistic of finding any improvements. Is anyone else disappointed with this area?

For some weeks I'm following this threat, desperately looking for some answers to get these files accelerated on a HD2600Pro (AGP).
Tried all kinds of things, but none seemed to work really.

Now I stumbled upon a small tool called GOTsent and converted an mkv (sample)file, to mpg, using the mux to VOB option, and I'll be damed, done in a minute and accelerating in PowerDVD and MPC (with Cyberlink codec and ffdshow disabled). I didnt test much yet, but all seems nice, surround sound is kept and 2% CPU...
Tried another sample, also working, only just in Cyberlink.

Gotta check quality, but it seems ok.

Anybody any experience with this?

Edit: Ah, forgot, i applied the registry tweaks and running the Asus drivers/CCC supplied with the card they seem to work better then the reference drivers from ATI.

Guys has 8.2 fixed the HA and expansion issues? 8.3 is still not released - but will it fix the issues? I am still on 7.7 for now until I hear from you guys that 8.2/8.3 are better.

I still get some blocking or expansion on red in SD and in some HD OTA recordings - is it my setup (using 7.7 and plain old MCE 32 bit Vista Ultimate's decoder - removed PowerDVD Ultra for now)?

Thanks!

Guys has 8.2 fixed the HA and expansion issues? 8.3 is still not released - but will it fix the issues?

Expansion hasn't been changed for a year.

What HA issues?

The 1080i HA acceleration issues listed in the thread. Either way my Quad 6600 will handle it. What I want to know is the expansion issue - will it get better with 8.2 or 8.3 or is 7.7 the only real answer still?

Thanks!

I have just upgraded from an X1650XT to an HD3870, and I've applied the registry tweaks (since it's the same as the 2600 videowise).

However, I have been underwhelmed by the SD MPEG2 deinterlacing performance. Although the picture is retaining more detail than the 1650, I'm seeing an uncomfortable level of jaggies. This card should be matching the best that standalone equipment has to offer and it's falling far short at present.

With the registry tweaks, I'm forcing it to do vector adaptive deinterlacing, so I'm not exactly optimistic of finding any improvements. Is anyone else disappointed with this area?

I've tried all of the deinterlacing settings and have to say I agree with you - I too am "underwhelmed" at the deinterlacing.

What I find is it depends on the source material. Some content deinterlaces extremely well and some screws up quite badly.

Compared to a high end deinterlacing hardware scaler, these video cards fall short in the deinterlacing by quite a bit. I've also compared my ATI HD 2600XT to my Nvidia 6800 and have to say the 6800 does a better job of deinterlacing a lot of the time (but the 6800 is far from perfect too).

At the same time, for pretty much all content, the image quality with the 2600 is more than watchable (once TRDenoise=0 and UseBT601CSC=1 are set, colorvibrance and fleshtone are turned down and disabled, and the overall brightness is set to +16 and in both the overall and AVIVO the contrast is turned down to 85%). On my system it is also rock solid in that it can play back absolutely all video formats without any juddering, skipped frames, etc. (and I can't say the same about the 6800).

I keep hoping that ATI will update their deinterlacing code through a driver update - maybe some day we'll really be impressed...

I also find it unbelievable that we need to do all of the tweaks and adjustments to get a decent image. IMO it should work out of the box, once the latest driver is installed.

The 1080i HA acceleration issues listed in the thread.


The only acceleration issues I'm aware of are the dual display probs with 8.1/8.2, but there's a reg fix for that. I'm also still on 7.7 for the main HTPC setup, but after testing 8.2 a fair bit it might be time to upgrade.

Of course, if you're talking AGP, that's a whole different ballgame :rolleyes:


Either way my Quad 6600 will handle it. What I want to know is the expansion issue - will it get better with 8.2 or 8.3 or is 7.7 the only real answer still?


I've got a beta 8.3, doesn't change anything on the HTPC front :-(

Compared to a high end deinterlacing hardware scaler, these video cards fall short in the deinterlacing by quite a bit. I've also compared my ATI HD 2600XT to my Nvidia 6800 and have to say the 6800 does a better job of deinterlacing a lot of the time (but the 6800 is far from perfect too).


Hrrm, that's weird - I used to have 6xxx and 7xxx cards, and the deinterlacing was atrocious.

Have you checked with proppage.dll and the evr equivalent that VA deinterlacing is actually being engaged? There have been a number of bugs with mode selection over the various driver versions - in particular 8.1 didn't support VA at all, and if you forced it you got a right mess.

The 1080i HA acceleration issues listed in the thread. Either way my Quad 6600 will handle it. What I want to know is the expansion issue - will it get better with 8.2 or 8.3 or is 7.7 the only real answer still?

Thanks!

I'm running 8.2 and the image quality is significantly better than 7.7.

As far as color expansion, I've spent a lot of time carefully calibrating my entire system and found I can get proper TV levels by using:

- Catalyst 8.2
- UseBT601CSC=1 in the registry
- in the overall settings turn brightness up to +15
- in the overall settings turn the contrast down to 85%
- in the AVIVO settings turn the contrast down to 85%
- and then recalibrating my HDTV itself

Note that these settings work correctly with my particular HDTV and when hooked up using DVI. If I switch to component, the levels seem out of whack again (but I haven't tried to recalibrate my HDTV to component).

Also, I've confirmed that the above settings are required in that no matter how much I crank up the brightness or turn down the contrast on the HDTV itself, I can't see any fringe BTB/WTW if I don't use the above settings (these are right at the threshold to maximise the available color bandwidth).

I have calibrated this so images/pictures and video have correct levels and BTB/WTW are "just" visible. I've also confirmed calibration using Media Player, Media Center and PowerDVD Ultra OEM.

Even though we need to resort to tweaks to get it right, I am very pleased with the end result (with the only remaining issue being imperfect deinterlacing with some content).

Hrrm, that's weird - I used to have 6xxx and 7xxx cards, and the deinterlacing was atrocious.

Have you checked with proppage.dll and the evr equivalent that VA deinterlacing is actually being engaged? There have been a number of bugs with mode selection over the various driver versions - in particular 8.1 didn't support VA at all, and if you forced it you got a right mess.

How do I check proppage.dll?

I should note that the deinterlacing isn't terrible by any means. It just isn't perfect all the time. There are times when the image quality is so good that I sit there thinking to myself how great it looks - until I switch to some other content again...and see the deinterlacing artifacts again.

Also, the deinterlacing was atrocious at times with the 6800, but with the latest drivers and Vista, it is generally slightly superior to the 2600 in my experience.

Proppage.dll and the EVR one (whose name I've forgotten) are little filters you manually register, then in playback you go to vmr9 or evr stats and it tells you what VA mode is in use, among other things.

Alternatively (and much easier!): get dxva checker and open a file, what deinterlacing mode does it say at the bottom of the playback window?

(I'm having problems with both the Realtek audio and HA on the 2600Pro, but it's probably best to get the video working first)

Question (as I've not seen a direct answer to this, I have to ask): does VLC support hardware acceleration on playback of .TS, WMV and MKV files (in XP/MCE2005)? I've seen a lot of discussion of people using PowerDVD, but I'd not seen anyone specifically saying that it is REQUIRED in order to get hardware acceleration of HD material on this card. Is this the case?

(I suppose it's necessary to use PDVD to get proper 5.1 playback too, hm?)

I'm pretty sure VLC doesn't offer any acceleration at all. It doesn't use any installed codec but has its own .dll files to support various formats which is why it doesn't need to be installed.

As far as I can see (searching for a while too), accelerating a mkv with the HD2xx is not possible. You need to convert it somehow to a format that can be used by the card e.g. mp4 or mpg.
I could convert some mkv's using Gotsent and play them accelerated with Powerdvd and MPC (using Cyberlink codec). PowerDVD works best. Planet Earth, famous bird scene, playing fluently, CPU is eating out of its nose.
Audio seems to be nicely converted.
Suggest you just try. Use the latest version and set it to mux to VOB (PS/3)

good luck.

The only acceleration issues I'm aware of are the dual display probs with 8.1/8.2, but there's a reg fix for that. I'm also still on 7.7 for the main HTPC setup, but after testing 8.2 a fair bit it might be time to upgrade.

Of course, if you're talking AGP, that's a whole different ballgame :rolleyes:



I've got a beta 8.3, doesn't change anything on the HTPC front :-(

So wait a min, is there anything that did change with the beta version??

As far as I can see (searching for a while too), accelerating a mkv with the HD2xx is not possible.
Really? Didn't search very hard, I guess. Searching the thread on "mkv acceleration" brings up lots of hits, including pointing to the requirements for L4.1 and the IDC Changer tool to set your existing MKVs to L4.1.

You want to read this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=972503), and download either the single GUI version (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13194540#post13194540), multi GUI version (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13229116#post13229116), or command-line version (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13237506#post13237506).

So wait a min, is there anything that did change with the beta version??

Gaming stuff I guess. Of course, there may be other HTPC issues fixed that doesn't affect my setup, but might be critical for others, you never know.

Oh, and now that I think about it, they actually set denoise to 64 by default. This possibly means they'll have the denoise/sharpening sliders in CCC again, but I didn't get a new CCC.

Gaming stuff I guess. Of course, there may be other HTPC issues fixed that doesn't affect my setup, but might be critical for others, you never know.

Oh, and now that I think about it, they actually set denoise to 64 by default. This possibly means they'll have the denoise/sharpening sliders in CCC again, but I didn't get a new CCC.

Oh, ok. So like... based upon what you found out about it, is it worth me checkin into as of yet or waiting for the final version when it comes out? Just wonderin' since i only use video cards for dvds, and such.

Oh, ok. So like... based upon what you found out about it, is it worth me checkin into as of yet or waiting for the final version when it comes out? Just wonderin' since i only use video cards for dvds, and such.

Definitely not I'd say, especially since 8.3 proper will likely be out end of next week.

Thanks to the register tweaks and to all of you in this forum, I can read smoothly now files like avchd(1080i) and evo files on my little amd athlon 3200+ and cpu is only at 10% with Powerdvd !For mkv files now I know also how to do thanks to Exdeusbut, but I still cannot read other files like .avi or .wmvhd at 720p with HA with Powerdvd. Is there anyway to do it ? Thanks a lot.

Just one quick note to the ATi Tray Tool XP users, according to Ray Adams... the Vista Avivo can be changed to XP Avivo once one finds the dtb file called Vista Avivo in the database folder. It somehow removes the blurriness in movies once its used. Somehow, it manages to put it in the UMD/DXVA folder that i have in the video folder under hklm... not sure why that is though.

Any ideas?

Really? Didn't search very hard, I guess. Searching the thread on "mkv acceleration" brings up lots of hits, including pointing to the requirements for L4.1 and the IDC Changer tool to set your existing MKVs to L4.1.


Thnx ExDeus, I will try that.
Indeed already found that you need L4.1, but when I tried to play a file with these specs, it didn't work. Must have overlooked something.. Tomorrow I have some spare time, so I'll try again.

When using HA there is some kind of macroblocking/dithering on a large scale. It also flickers in those areas where the picture is distorted. It's not watchable though since it's not a smooth picture. Does any of you know what this is and how I can fix it?

I am using AC3Filter, DirectSound, ATI display driver v7.11, VMR9 renderless (only one working with HA) and the Cyberlink H264 decoder.

The only acceleration issues I'm aware of are the dual display probs with 8.1/8.2, but there's a reg fix for that. I'm also still on 7.7 for the main HTPC setup, but after testing 8.2 a fair bit it might be time to upgrade.

Of course, if you're talking AGP, that's a whole different ballgame :rolleyes:



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I just purchased the 2600Pro w/512 AGP flavor, what type of issues should i expect?

I just want full screen bluray playback on my Vizio HDTV50 Plasma it's 1366x988 i think?

And which ATI driver version should i use with PowerDVD & XP-SP2 BR playback?

1080p 24 (24) means frames per second,this is what the film is shot at

[QUOTE=arfster;13280278]The only acceleration issues I'm aware of are the dual display probs with 8.1/8.2, but there's a reg fix for that. I'm also still on 7.7 for the main HTPC setup, but after testing 8.2 a fair bit it might be time to upgrade.

Of course, if you're talking AGP, that's a whole different ballgame :rolleyes:



Yeah i am about to give up on Hardware acceleration with my HIS AGP HD2600 xt 512. I have tried various setups and can't get acceleration.

I have an AMD 2500XP Barton(oc to 3200) ;a7n8x mother board(nforce 2);500watt PSU with 30amps 12v line
I have tried catayst 8.2, 8.1. with and without 8.1 hotfix. I have tried the HIS drivers( from NOV 2007!) with and without 8.1 hotfix. Also I have tried omega drivers with the .dll switch.

I would try 7.7 and 7.9 but i lose directx functionality lower then 8.1.
I have tried accelerating H.264,meg4,x2.64,VC1, with power dvd ultra latest build also MPC w/PDVD codec. And MKV's with Haali media splitter PDVD decoder and ffdshow audio only. With quick time files i get a black screen w/ audio.

I can run most 720p with core avc but wanted to play 1080p, mostly mkv. Also a link to an example file that if hardware acceleration is working it would defiantly show it, would be helpful.

Does the CCC version effect HA or is it just the driver or a combination? Sry, i don't have a full grasp on HA as well as codecs/decoders/encoders in general.

If anyone has any ideas it would be greatly appreciated.

The previews for the ati 780g chipset today is looking good.

Catalyst 8.3 is suppose to be out tomorrow.

Hi guys!
I have some interresting problems...
DXVA seems to work (MKV info), cpu load is 3-7 %, gpu 3-5%, and framerate around 18 :( (it is supposed to be 23.7). When the DXVA is switched off in cyberlink 264 (latest ver) the cpu load goes up to 40% gpu 10% and the framerate is 23.7. Obviously there is no HA, BUT smooth playback... The cpu/gpu loads are according to everest.
All theese are with VMR9 renderless because in MKV player the high or superspeed mode leads to crash if EVR is used. Without high or superspeed mode there is no HA in EVR. Almost the same situation with MPC HC...
The mkv is 720p, IDC changer, reg tweeks applied...
System: amd X2 4200+, 1 GB ram; Ati AGP HD2600XT 512 (driver ver 8.432, catalist 7.12), SHARP 42' 1080p, XP prof sp2

any ideas?

thanx
wolf

ok maybe you guys can shed some light on my issue.....I have an asus eah2400 pro pci express card and I am using xp pro with mediaportal installed and also pdvdultra for bluray/hd-dvd playback....and while hd-dvd plays great through powerdvd in mediaportal anything else in hd wont play within mediaportal......I know mediaportal uses directx and have installed the latest as well as the latest 3.5.netfx....I also have tried like every version driver both asus and ati versions (ran ati uninstall before reinstalling) and while in the past I could get the hd files to play from within mediaportal with one old version driver from like october it wouldnt play my hd-dvd's well with hardware support without crashing....I also have tried the tweaks and that has not helped.....any ideas why this could be?....BTW I have tried turning the hardware accel on and off from the different decoders I've chosen to use from within mediaportal as when it did work it only worked with the hardware accel turned off for mpeg2....so I though it was a driver issue but that was like 10 driver versions ago?....it really stinks not being able to view any 720p or 1080i mpeg2 files....also the latest asus driver had weird distortion lines in the video when watching hd-dvd's they are gone with the latest ati version (dated newer than asuses) but the picture now seems softer....I am using vga at 720p...thank for any advise in advance..
ps sorry this is on an amd dual core...(4400 or 4200 I think.....2gig of ddr2 ram not that it should matter)

ok maybe you guys can shed some light on my issue.....I have an asus eah2400 pro pci express card and I am using xp pro with mediaportal installed and also pdvdultra for bluray/hd-dvd playback....and while hd-dvd plays great through powerdvd in mediaportal anything else in hd wont play within mediaportal......I know mediaportal uses directx and have installed the latest as well as the latest 3.5.netfx....I also have tried like every version driver both asus and ati versions (ran ati uninstall before reinstalling) and while in the past I could get the hd files to play from within mediaportal with one old version driver from like october it wouldnt play my hd-dvd's well with hardware support without crashing....I also have tried the tweaks and that has not helped.....any ideas why this could be?....BTW I have tried turning the hardware accel on and off from the different decoders I've chosen to use from within mediaportal as when it did work it only worked with the hardware accel turned off for mpeg2....so I though it was a driver issue but that was like 10 driver versions ago?....it really stinks not being able to view any 720p or 1080i mpeg2 files....also the latest asus driver had weird distortion lines in the video when watching hd-dvd's they are gone with the latest ati version (dated newer than asuses) but the picture now seems softer....I am using vga at 720p...thank for any advise in advance..
ps sorry this is on an amd dual core...(4400 or 4200 I think.....2gig of ddr2 ram not that it should matter)

had problems with mediaportal crashing becasue of:
- video codec (reinstall switched to cyberlink h264 codec & mpegII codec)
- audio codec (changed to cyberlink audio codec)
- graphics driver (clean & install)
After clean installation of graphics driver, MP everything works OK.
Also in MP config (on xp) you should turn off EVR.

watch out for video & audio combination cause it sometimes casue problems

Really? Didn't search very hard, I guess. Searching the thread on "mkv acceleration" brings up lots of hits, including pointing to the requirements for L4.1 and the IDC Changer tool to set your existing MKVs to L4.1.

Don't know how I could overlook this, cause I actually read the thread...Thnx again, it works (of course). I'll continue with the 1080p stuff.

Heard 8.3 is out but cant confirm am at work and the ati download page is blocked because it things its related to games :confused:

just checked driver page but didn't see anything new yet....

They gave it to journos a few days early, guru3d have it now:

http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-ATI-Catalyst-8.3-Vista-(32-bit)-download-1871.html

afaik this is the full release version. You can tell if it's the right one by checking for denoise/detail sliders in CCC


Edit: don't have time to install, but checked the build (8.471-080225a1-060170E), and it's definitely official 8.3

I am down to two registry entries (one is related to ace) and one dll (in the CCC area of program files) that have to be removed in order to do "clean install". All of these have permissions issues in Vista. Anybody go through this and know what steps are required to properly set permissions in order to remove these?

I have been using system restore to go back to 7.9, but can't progress from there.

Heard 8.3 is out but cant confirm am at work and the ati download page is blocked because it things its related to games :confused:

not on the main ati site...i just checked...

This is my first post, but I just wanted to thank everyone that has posted information in this thread. I have been able to get hardware acceleration working with my MKV files and haven't need to use the IDC changer. I thought I'd share some information myself incase it might help someone else get their setup working properly.

First off my system specs:

AMD 2400+ (2.0ghz)
VisionTek ATI HD 2400 PRO AGP
Vista SP1
Primary Display 1024x768
Secondary 1280x720 (hooked up to HDTV)

Firstly I downloaded MPC-HC with filters (The filename was mpc-hc.and.fileters.r421.zip)
After uncompressing, from the command prompt run: regsvr32 mpcvideodec.ax to register the filter.

Then I ran DXVA Checker (new version 1510) I've attached a screenshot. After is starts up click "Check DirectShow Filter" and select your hidef file. I then clicked on the object highlighted in red and Selected "Play in EVR" It worked great! 8% AVG CPU usage (CoreAVC was roughly 70%).

So then I tried to play my files in Zoomplayer, played great on the primary
monitor, secondary would crash ZP. So I went back to Display Driver ver 8.452.0.0 (dated 1/9/2008) and the secondary display worked.

All my mkvs played no problem now, and no need to run the IDC changer.

Firstly I donwloaded MPC-HC with filters (The filename was mpc-hc.and.fileters.r421.zip)
..................
All my mkvs played no problem now, and no need to run the IDC changer.

Yeah, that makes sense - the thing IDC Changer fixes is a bug in the PDVD decoder. MPCHC-dxva doesn't suffer from it.

When using HA there is some kind of macroblocking/dithering on a large scale. It also flickers in those areas where the picture is distorted. It's not watchable though since it's not a smooth picture. Does any of you know what this is and how I can fix it?

I am using AC3Filter, DirectSound, ATI display driver v7.11, VMR9 renderless (only one working with HA) and the Cyberlink H264 decoder. Running on Windows XP MCE 32-bit.
Does anyone recognize my problems? I am desperate to get HA working properly. Thanks.

First off, I'm new to this forum and couldnt ever possibly read all 154 pages of previous info, but appreciate any and all help you guys have. Forgive any ignorance on my part.

My Problems:
-After installing the Diamond HD2600 PRO 512mb PCI-e card, my computer has slowed way down and likes to crash... especially when watching .avi's.
-I use the HDMI converter (yes, ATI's special one) to output to my Sony AV reciever which takes the sound and passes the video signal to my Sony Bravia 720p LCD. I have yet to figure out how to get anything but PCM 48 out, instead of the full surround. Occasionally my sound will completly stop being output over the HDMI connection, although I will still be able to use computer speakers.
-I can't figure out how in the hell one uses that damned catalyst control center to output full HD signal to my TV.

My System:
Dell Dimension 8400
3.4 gHz Pentium 4 HT
1 gig of RAM
Diamond HD2600 PRO 512 Mb PCI-e
Creative Labs SoundBlaster Audigy 2
1 Dell plug and play 17" LCD monitor (VGA)
1 Sony Bravia 32" LCD HDTV (KDL-32M3000) (ATI DVI->HDMI)
1 Sony AV Reciever (supports HDMI audio decoding)

ATI drivers up to date
Realtek ATI HDMI audio installed

Alrighty folks, so the basic point of the game would be to be able to watch my .avi movies (or another format if you know of a better high quality one) in surround sound on my 32" TV. For now the computer crashing is a big pain my ass, but I consider that a secondary, albeit important problem. I think I may be having conflicts by having the VGA Monitor and the HDMI Monitor hooked up and running together.

Who thinks they can take a crack at this?

Thanks,
Jeff

First off, I'm new to this forum and couldnt ever possibly read all 154 pages of previous info, but appreciate any and all help you guys have.
I realize it's a lot to read, but for those of us who initially read the thread to catch up and have pretty much kept up with the thread since, there's probably not a lot of sympathy...

-After installing the Diamond HD2600 PRO 512mb PCI-e card, my computer has slowed way down and likes to crash... especially when watching .avi's.
You're going to need to be more specific about the crashes - blue screen, random reboots, error popups? What error messages are you seeing? What software are you using to play the avi files?

-I can't figure out how in the hell one uses that damned catalyst control center to output full HD signal to my TV.

Well, assuming you're getting your Windows desktop showing up on the TV, that means you have the video connection working. At that point, you go into the Displays Manager in Catalyst Control Center and select a Desktop Area of 1280x720 and the correct Refresh Rate (normally 60Hz, but if your TV supports it you might want to use 24Hz for watching movies - worry about getting 60Hz working first). It should be just that simple.

Alrighty folks, so the basic point of the game would be to be able to watch my .avi movies (or another format if you know of a better high quality one)
Regarding a better format than avi, I can think of at least a few - DVD, Bluray, HD DVD, but you're probably refering to downloaded videos in which case quality is rarely the number 1 priority at this point thanks to bandwidth.

OK, driver testing time. Setup: Vista32 SP1, sapphire 2600xt. New drivers are:

Official 8.3: 8.471-080225a1-059752C
Guru3d 8.3: 8.471-080225a1-060170E (huh?)

No idea what the difference is, but the key dlls for video are the same.

No major problems, deinterlacing works, acceleration works.

CCC has denoise/edge enhancement sliders, under video/all settings. On my 2600 denoise defaults to on/64. From the .inf, it looks like all 2xxx and 3xxx cards will do the same. Apparently these sliders are Vista only though, according to the release notes.

Unlike in previous versions, detail/denoise sliders actually work. Odd thing if you switch denoise to 0 it looks OK (this is interlaced SD), but when you switch the tickbox off it seems to go to a pretty crude denoise.

Still the same bug as 8.1/8.2 with dual display breaking acceleration. Vforceuvdvc1=1 and vforceuvdh264=1 fix this, but why is this necessary? I told them about the problem ages ago, then later told them how to fix it, and still they release broken drivers.

There's a considerable delay in the driver development as far as I can tell.

I posted on rage3d requesting an edge enhancement slider in December. A beta tester picked up on this and contacted the ATI development teams. They told him that the return of the slider was imminent.

And here we are three months later, not exactly imminent, but they got there in the end.

(I'm perhaps wrongly assuming that you're not a beta tester yourself - if you're not you certainly should be!)

There's a considerable delay in the driver development as far as I can tell.



That's putting it mildly :-) The denoise/detail values have been in the registry since the beginning of time, but the sliders have actually been hidden within CCC since at least 7.7 (last July) that I've seen, and possibly earlier - someone earlier in this thread posted the regtweak to reveal them.

When the system crashes I recieve no error messages, simply a complete freeze frame and no response to any input...

For movies I use Divx on XP with SP2... and you make a good point about quality not being amazing with downloaded movies...

any idea what causes the audio to cut out?

OK, driver testing time. Setup: Vista32 SP1, sapphire 2600xt. New drivers are:

Official 8.3: 8.471-080225a1-059752C
Guru3d 8.3: 8.471-080225a1-060170E (huh?)

No idea what the difference is, but the key dlls for video are the same.

No major problems, deinterlacing works, acceleration works.

CCC has denoise/edge enhancement sliders, under video/all settings. On my 2600 denoise defaults to on/64. From the .inf, it looks like all 2xxx and 3xxx cards will do the same. Apparently these sliders are Vista only though, according to the release notes.

Unlike in previous versions, detail/denoise sliders actually work. Odd thing if you switch denoise to 0 it looks OK (this is interlaced SD), but when you switch the tickbox off it seems to go to a pretty crude denoise.

Still the same bug as 8.1/8.2 with dual display breaking acceleration. Vforceuvdvc1=1 and vforceuvdh264=1 fix this, but why is this necessary? I told them about the problem ages ago, then later told them how to fix it, and still they release broken drivers.

Thanks for testing and letting us all know, and I am sure I speak for every one when I say your efforts are very much appreciated.

When you say "no major problems", are you saying they have fixed the hd/sd colour expansion bug? If so, this would be a miracle, as this would be the first set of drivers that work! (I don't use dual display, so I am not really concerned about that issue)

My brief trial with 8.3. Setup: XP SP3RC, ASUS 2600Pro.

No denoise/edge sliders. Denoise defaults to 64 and I thought I saw ghosting in highlights so I changed it to 0 with registry editor. Posterization problem seems non existent, even though it was not that bad recently anyway. For some odd reason I am unable to select 50Hz refresh rate from TV out for now. UPDATE: 50Hz is back, these disappearing acts are somewhat annoying, though.

I also tried 8.3 with my Vista/Sapphire 2400Pro. No VA available in CCC. denoise/edge sliders are there, but at least denoise slider does not behave well. Could be that my installation is broken as I used only ATIs express uninstall before installing 8.3

Any idea on how the new denoise sliders relate to the TRDenoise registry entry?

Do we still need the TRDenoise entry set to zero to get rid of the "ghosts"?

Does the TRDenoise entry disable the new denoise slider?

Is the TRDenoise setting now ignored?

How about the DXVA_DetailEnhance entry and the new detail enhancement slider?

Any idea on how the new denoise sliders relate to the TRDenoise registry entry?



With trdenoise=0, the denoise slider setting is ignored. On/off, max/min, does nothing.

However, with trdenoise=1 (default) and the slider set to zero with tickbox off, it's definitely still being denoised. Irritating.

Having said that, the denoise did make the picture look clearly better than when it was off, regardless of what slider setting you were on. My test picture was the hilarious sport of camel racing (picked a random channel off sat, it was dubai sports), so lots of motion, very difficult for lowish bitrate SDmpeg2. The sand creates a lot of mpeg artifacts, and trdenoise smoothed them quite nicely.


With dxva_detailenhance=0, the slider setting is also ignored, and no edge enhancement is done. Better news with the slider behaviour though, as setting it to zero completely disables edgeenhancement (screenshots are identical to disabling in registry). In other words, the dxva_detailenhance tweak is no longer needed.

However, here's a weird thing. The above was with SD 576i, but with 1080i there's no difference between trdenoise 0 and 1. Screenshots look identical down to the pixel. Ditto turning edgeenhance on/off. For some reason HD is not being postprocessed (mpeg2 and h264).

Edit: thought this might be down to dualdisplay problems, so unplugged one and rebooted. No difference. Also happens with VMR9. Perhaps it's a design decision because they figure HD doesn't need postprocessed? Pretty daft if so.

I have problem with using HA for mpeg2 HD material on ATI2400Pro.
I used all reg tweaks and recommended settings still no success.
HA works perfectly for VC-1 and H264 material on PDVD ver.7.3, but when I play MPEG 2HD (silent hill Blue-Ray) HA check box is turned off and can't turn it on, also check in information tab in PDVD and DXVA acceleration (not in use).
What am doing wrong?

My system run VISTA Ultimate 32bits, used ATI drivers 8.1 - 8.3 - same results.
What should I do next?

Same here. No mpeg2 DXVA with latest Cat 8.3. Vista x32, 2600xt, dual monitor.

Polar: the 2400 doesn't support MPEG2 Bluray acceleration. No idea why, cos it does for files.

Tulli: sounds like the standard dual display bug. There's no way around it afaik, but if you use the ati mpeg2 decoder you do get VA deinterlacing in hardware, which is more important than acceleration imo.

I'm running 8.2 and the image quality is significantly better than 7.7.

As far as color expansion, I've spent a lot of time carefully calibrating my entire system and found I can get proper TV levels by using:

- Catalyst 8.2
- UseBT601CSC=1 in the registry
- in the overall settings turn brightness up to +15
- in the overall settings turn the contrast down to 85%
- in the AVIVO settings turn the contrast down to 85%
- and then recalibrating my HDTV itself

Note that these settings work correctly with my particular HDTV and when hooked up using DVI. If I switch to component, the levels seem out of whack again (but I haven't tried to recalibrate my HDTV to component).

Also, I've confirmed that the above settings are required in that no matter how much I crank up the brightness or turn down the contrast on the HDTV itself, I can't see any fringe BTB/WTW if I don't use the above settings (these are right at the threshold to maximise the available color bandwidth).

I have calibrated this so images/pictures and video have correct levels and BTB/WTW are "just" visible. I've also confirmed calibration using Media Player, Media Center and PowerDVD Ultra OEM.

Even though we need to resort to tweaks to get it right, I am very pleased with the end result (with the only remaining issue being imperfect deinterlacing with some content).


Any reason why you're not using HD levels? (my display is calibrated for Rec. 709), and i too am convinced that the ati is not outputting correct Rec. 709 colors (so it would be cool to have 709 settings for the ati :P)

No denoise/edge sliders. Denoise defaults to 64 and I thought I saw ghosting in highlights so I changed it to 0 with registry editor. I noticed that ghosting as well and did the changes you mentioned. They don't show any effect, though.
What exactly has to be changed to turn denoising off? Actually I'd like to lower it a little bit instead of turning it off completely.

EDIT: I just noticed that detailenhance is set to zero. I do not understand ATi (AMD?) somehow...
Using XP SP2 btw.

Regards,
Simon

OK, driver testing time. Setup: Vista32 SP1, sapphire 2600xt. New drivers are:

Official 8.3: 8.471-080225a1-059752C
Guru3d 8.3: 8.471-080225a1-060170E (huh?)

No idea what the difference is, but the key dlls for video are the same.

No major problems, deinterlacing works, acceleration works.

CCC has denoise/edge enhancement sliders, under video/all settings. On my 2600 denoise defaults to on/64. From the .inf, it looks like all 2xxx and 3xxx cards will do the same. Apparently these sliders are Vista only though, according to the release notes.

Unlike in previous versions, detail/denoise sliders actually work. Odd thing if you switch denoise to 0 it looks OK (this is interlaced SD), but when you switch the tickbox off it seems to go to a pretty crude denoise.

Still the same bug as 8.1/8.2 with dual display breaking acceleration. Vforceuvdvc1=1 and vforceuvdh264=1 fix this, but why is this necessary? I told them about the problem ages ago, then later told them how to fix it, and still they release broken drivers.

So, how close was I with the find compared to whats in 8.3? :)

I have problem with using HA for mpeg2 HD material on ATI2400Pro.
I used all reg tweaks and recommended settings still no success.
HA works perfectly for VC-1 and H264 material on PDVD ver.7.3, but when I play MPEG 2HD (silent hill Blue-Ray) HA check box is turned off and can't turn it on, also check in information tab in PDVD and DXVA acceleration (not in use).
What am doing wrong?

My system run VISTA Ultimate 32bits, used ATI drivers 8.1 - 8.3 - same results.
What should I do next?
Not sure if this will help or not but... there's a mpeg decoder called Sony BDMV MPEG Decoder that you might could try
and see if that helps any. you'll find it at http://codec.kiev.ua/mpeg2.htm

Any reason why you're not using HD levels? (my display is calibrated for Rec. 709), and i too am convinced that the ati is not outputting correct Rec. 709 colors (so it would be cool to have 709 settings for the ati :P)

I thought the useBT601 setting would only affect DVD playback. How do I check that I am outputting video levels and correct HD colors? :confused:

Speaking of colors, mine's set to:
Brightness = -10
Contrast = 100
I tried to go with the THX Optimizer in order to get those settings.
Im guessin using those settings for all the movies is ok (?)

Tulli: sounds like the standard dual display bug. There's no way around it afaik, but if you use the ati mpeg2 decoder you do get VA deinterlacing in hardware, which is more important than acceleration imo.

You're absolutely right, Arfster, thanks. Mpeg2 deinterlacing definitely works with the ati decoder. Won't have to go back again to 7.7:)

Installed the new CAT 8.3 and I can't get the following in XP.

Catalyst™ Control Center: Advanced Video Quality Controls

This release of Catalyst™ introduces new advanced video quality controls which include:

* Edge enhancement, which adjusts the level of sharpness of video content
* De-noise, which removes ghosting artifacts while preserving details of the original video

Can someone help me activate this new feature?
Thanks.

Hello, Please let me know if I'm on the right track. I have tried to read back several pages and done some searching. I have an Athlon 64 3200+ and a HD2400 pro/xt (OEM from dell but does not conform to either reference board design clock speeds). I am trying to get hardware acceleration and deinterlacing working when watching HDTV through Vista Media Center. This is a clean install of Vista SP1 with the ATI drivers 8.3 (it did it last night). Rivatuner shows the same GPU %usage wether I'm watching a DVD or HDTV about 20-25%. But with HDTV my CPU maxes out at 100%. It makes me think I'm not getting hardware acceleration. I read that bluray mpeg2 decode does not work on 2400 cards, does that go for HDTV as well?

Do I just need to add the DXVA_NOHDDECODE"="0" registry entry?

Any reason why you're not using HD levels? (my display is calibrated for Rec. 709), and i too am convinced that the ati is not outputting correct Rec. 709 colors (so it would be cool to have 709 settings for the ati :P)

What do you mean by "not using HD levels"?

Installed the new CAT 8.3 and I can't get the following in XP.

Catalyst™ Control Center: Advanced Video Quality Controls

This release of Catalyst™ introduces new advanced video quality controls which include:

* Edge enhancement, which adjusts the level of sharpness of video content
* De-noise, which removes ghosting artifacts while preserving details of the original video

Can someone help me activate this new feature?
Thanks.

Hello, these sliders are missing in Windows XP and Hardware Acceleration seems to be broken...

Not a good Catalyst version, at least not for Windows XP users :(

Greetings
CRTfreak

I noticed that ghosting as well and did the changes you mentioned. They don't show any effect, though.
What exactly has to be changed to turn denoising off? Actually I'd like to lower it a little bit instead of turning it off completely.


To turn denoise off I would recommend ExDeuses reg hack script with TrDenoise entry. Personally I changed Denoise_DEF entry to zero in registry and rebooted. Previously I have used TrDenoise hack myself, but now I'll try to see if zero setting works better overall.

Hello, these sliders are missing in Windows XP and Hardware Acceleration seems to be broken...


Yes, sliders are missing, but HA works for me. So far looks at least as good as 8.2 for me.

To turn denoise off I would recommend ExDeuses reg hack script with TrDenoise entry. Personally I changed Denoise_DEF entry to zero in registry and rebooted. Previously I have used TrDenoise hack myself, but now I'll try to see if zero setting works better overall.

Setting denoise_def just changes the default for the slider. You can achieve the same thing by putting the slider to zero.

However, see my post above, setting it to zero and unticking doesn't switch off denoise, you have to use trdenoise=0 for that.

What is the registry change to enable HW accleration(s) in Cyberlink PowerDVD?

Also, what is the recommended method to delete this dll? I have already unregistered this dll; but it resists being delete. I am guessing I need some hints on permissions, but maybe there is another way to kill it off. I am doing my best to clean out the machine for a clean install of 8.3.

C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\atiacmxx.dll

You can achieve the same thing by putting the slider to zero.


Yes, but that has to wait for the day when sliders make appearance in XP also...

What is the registry change to enable HW accleration(s) in Cyberlink PowerDVD?

Also, what is the recommended method to delete this dll? I have already unregistered this dll; but it resists being delete. I am guessing I need some hints on permissions, but maybe there is another way to kill it off. I am doing my best to clean out the machine for a clean install of 8.3.

C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\atiacmxx.dll

This usually indicates that the file is still in use by the OS. You don't have any ATI (or CCC) processes still running? Or if it for some obscure reason is loaded by another process... Try using process explorer (MS Sysinternals utilities) to see which .dlls processes are using.

Yes, but that has to wait for the day when sliders make appearance in XP also...

A fair point :-)

However, it would probably be better to fiddle with the Denoise reg setting itself. All the sliders do is manipulate that reg key - they're just a more use friendly frontend. Denoise_def only affects things on install, and when you hit the CCC "return to defaults".

I read that bluray mpeg2 decode does not work on 2400 cards, does that go for HDTV as well?


No - for some reason PDVD uses a different decoder for Bluray than for files :confused:


Do I just need to add the DXVA_NOHDDECODE"="0" registry entry?

Yup, although note:

1) won't work with dual display.
2) if it is a 2400pro, it's touch and go whether it's powerful enough for HD mpeg2
3) related to 2, watch the (rivatuner or CCC) GPU % - if it maxxes you should do 4....
4) ATI mpeg2 decoder that comes in the AVIVO package has the nice ability to do software decoding, but with hardware deinterlacing. This eases the pressure on the card a bit, so might be a useful halfway house solution.

So is UseBT601CSC still required with 8.3?

I just did a clean install on my vista based machine and have only installed the stock drivers for my HIS 2600XT PCIe card and was curious if when I upgrade to the new 8.3 drivers do I need to also download and install the new AVIVO drivers as well?

I just did a clean install on my vista based machine and have only installed the stock drivers for my HIS 2600XT PCIe card and was curious if when I upgrade to the new 8.3 drivers do I need to also download and install the new AVIVO drivers as well?

If you're meaning the AVIVO mpeg2 codec: nope, it hasn't changed since last June.

Ahh....great...

Thanks for the quick reply

What are the best reg tweaks for 8.3/XP/2600XT at the moment? these one from Exdeus?


"DXVA_DetailEnhance"="0"
"DXVA_NOHDDECODE"="0"
"DXVA_WMV_NA"="0"
"SORTOverrideVidSizeCaps"="2800000"
"TrDenoise"="0"
"UseBT601CSC"="1"
"VForceMaxResSize"="2800000"
"VForceUVDVC1"="1"
"VForceUVDH264"="1"
"HWUVD_ForceMPEG2"="1"
"ColorVibrance_DEF"="0"
"ColorVibrance_DE_MIN"="0"
"ColorVibrance_NA"="0"
"DI_METHOD"="5"
"DI_METHOD_DEF"="5"
"Fleshtone_DEF"="0"
"Fleshtone_DE_MIN"="0"
"Fleshtone_NA"="0"


Iam wondering that there are more reg tweaks as some months ago, whereas i have applied in 8.2 only these one:


"DXVA_DetailEnhance"="0"
"TrDenoise"="0"
"UseBT601CSC"="1"


Furthermore i did not understand @Arfsters post where you have written, that the picture looks pretty good with trdenoise enabled but set it to a very low value. Is this true???

What are the best reg tweaks for 8.3/XP/2600XT at the moment? these one from Exdeus?


"DXVA_DetailEnhance"="0"
"DXVA_NOHDDECODE"="0"
"DXVA_WMV_NA"="0"
"SORTOverrideVidSizeCaps"="2800000"
"TrDenoise"="0"
"UseBT601CSC"="1"
"VForceMaxResSize"="2800000"
"VForceUVDVC1"="1"
"VForceUVDH264"="1"
"HWUVD_ForceMPEG2"="1"
"ColorVibrance_DEF"="0"
"ColorVibrance_DE_MIN"="0"
"ColorVibrance_NA"="0"
"DI_METHOD"="5"
"DI_METHOD_DEF"="5"
"Fleshtone_DEF"="0"
"Fleshtone_DE_MIN"="0"
"Fleshtone_NA"="0"


Iam wondering that there are more reg tweaks as some months ago, whereas i have applied in 8.2 only these one:


"DXVA_DetailEnhance"="0"
"TrDenoise"="0"
"UseBT601CSC"="1"


Furthermore i did not understand @Arfsters post where you have written, that the picture looks pretty good with trdenoise enabled but set it to a very low value. Is this true???

Edit: Ah, ok, i have seen, that fleshtone and color vibrance already defaults to 0 (the def value).

What are the best reg tweaks for 8.3/XP/2600XT at the moment?

I seem to manage pretty much without reg hacks with 8.3/XP/2600Pro. I thought I changed denoise setting to zero with regedit (not using TrDenoise anymore), but don't know what actually happened there. I have not used UseBT601CSC so far, so that is a question mark. Your mileage may vary.

Yes, sliders are missing, but HA works for me. So far looks at least as good as 8.2 for me.

Seems that HA in XP SP2 is working for some people and not working for some others.

Latest CCC version where HA is working for me is the 7.11 Crysis hotfix. All newer versions do not have HA.

Any idea how to get HA working with 8.3 in my system?

Win XP SP2
MSI RX2600PRO
Asus P5B-VM
Intel Core2Duo
PowerDVD Ultra build 3104 (haven't tried later versions yet)
arfster's tweaks done

Anybody know what DVPF_DeblockOn is? I even tried somethin called DVPF_DeringOn
but it seems like when I use em both, the video quality isnt as sharp for some odd reason.

For 8.3:


"DXVA_DetailEnhance"="0" - not needed, just set slider to 0. In XP, set Detail itself to 0 in registry (it should be there by default).

"DXVA_NOHDDECODE"="0" - needed for 2400 cards, if you want mpeg2 acceleration. Might be easier just to use the ati mpeg2 decoder, so you can software decoding but hardware deinteralcing.

"TrDenoise"="0" - use to totally switch off denoise, as even setting sliders to 0 doesn't work. Denoise works better than it used to though, and doesn't affect HD at all. Experiment and see what you like.

"UseBT601CSC"="1" - needed for everyone. If you don't set this, you have different levels for SD and HD.

"VForceUVDVC1"="1" - needed for acceleration with dualdisplay
"VForceUVDH264"="1" - needed for acceleration with dualdisplay

"HWUVD_ForceMPEG2"="1" - perhaps needed for xp mpeg2 acceleration with dual display, not sure (i only use Vista, so this is a guess).


Fleshtone/colorvibrance = no longer needed, that bug is gone.

DI_method not needed, except perhaps for 2400? Auto select goes for VA by itself on any other card.

Vforcemaxressize isn't needed afaik - that was the bug where Bluray/HDDVD didn't fill the screen.

arfster: What about video levels? Does Overlay give video levels? How about VMR? I am really confused. :confused:

In XP there are a couple of new registry entries for Catalyst 8.3....

Denoise_NA and Detail_NA. These are set to 1 by default but setting them to 0 shows the Advanced Quality De-noise and Edge-enhancement sliders under aAll Settings in CCC. Denoise is turned on with a default of 64 and Edge-enhancement is off by default.

For 8.3:

"UseBT601CSC"="1" - needed for everyone. If you don't set this, you have different levels for SD and HD.



Could you explain the issue here? does this apply to me? i am using a Bt709 screen

Could you explain the issue here? does this apply to me? i am using a Bt709 screen

Basically ATI drivers expand HD, but not SD. There's no fix for the former, but by setting the above you get it to expand SD also, so you have consistency. If you don't do this, you have completely different white and black levels when you switch from SD to HD content. Note the above reg setting does nothing to HD, which get expanded using bt709 automatically.

You can then choose to return things to TV levels if you want by setting brightness/contrast to 16/86, see my sig for more.

Note there is a nasty problem with 720p content encoded in widescreen - ie 1280*520. As this is HD it's almost certainly bt709, but the ATI drivers assume that the vertical resolution means it's SD (the cutoff is 720 pixels). Thus you end up with bt709 content being expanded using bt601, and a messy picture. This fixes itself if you revert back to TV levels using brightness/contrast though, as it uses the same matrix choice in reverse.

In XP there are a couple of new registry entries for Catalyst 8.3....

Denoise_NA and Detail_NA. These are set to 1 by default but setting them to 0 shows the Advanced Quality De-noise and Edge-enhancement sliders under aAll Settings in CCC. Denoise is turned on with a default of 64 and Edge-enhancement is off by default.

Nice spot! I'd be worred about why they aren't visible though, might be they don't quite work properly yet.

cool! (i was apparently already using it)

My screen has been calibrated using a PS3 over hdmi, running a calibration DVD, does this mean my screen is already TV level? (so in other words expantion is not needed?)

ok.. for someone who is kinda new to the registry hacking thing, how do I apply those hacks listed? where do I navigate to?
can someone create a little file with all the needed hacks to get all the good stuff working in the 8.3 drivers for xp?
US newbies would love this.

Yes, sliders are missing, but HA works for me. So far looks at least as good as 8.2 for me.

Hello, my bad, the output was set to EVR custom presenter in Media Player Classic Home Cinema and DXVA 2.0 does not work under XP with EVR.

Vista has its advantages...

After changing the output to VMR9 renderless (VMR9 mixer mode unticked),
DXVA is working with both decoders after registering them (mpcvideodec.ax
and CL264dec.ax)

mpc-hc.and.filters.r421.zip (no Cyberlink files included)
http://download.cowscorpion.com/dl/files/Multimedia_Player/mpc-hc.and.filters.r421.zip

The CPU usage with the following AVC file is about 8-10% on my E2180 (underclocked) & ATI HD 3650:

http://www.hdtv-praxis.de/werbung/audi/Audi_R8_Warm_up_12mbit.zip

Greetings
CRTfreak

cool! (i was apparently already using it)

My screen has been calibrated using a PS3 over hdmi, running a calibration DVD, does this mean my screen is already TV level? (so in other words expantion is not needed?)

If you've calibrated with a PS3, your screen is at TV levels (I assume PS3 uses these, anyone?). Thus, to get correct levels with an ATI card you need:

1) usebt601csc=1 (everyone does). This sets SD to expand to PC levels. HD expands regardless of what you do.
2) set brightness/contrast to 16/86 in CCC/avivo video/basic color. This reverses the expansion, bringing it back to TV levels.

Then run your DVD calibration disc on the PC, just to check all is OK.

Seems that HA in XP SP2 is working for some people and not working for some others.

Latest CCC version where HA is working for me is the 7.11 Crysis hotfix. All newer versions do not have HA.

Any idea how to get HA working with 8.3 in my system?

Win XP SP2
MSI RX2600PRO
Asus P5B-VM
Intel Core2Duo
PowerDVD Ultra build 3104 (haven't tried later versions yet)
arfster's tweaks done

Are you referring to the HA check box for "ATI Avivo" within PowerDVD?

I haven't seen this mentioned, but there is one huge improvement in 8.3 with our HTPC.

In the past, Media Center would regularly crash when attempting to start playing digitally recorded, low bit-rate HD Recorded TV. It might be able to play 5 shows in a row (or the same show 5 times), but then right after clicking "play" it would suddenly crash.

I had been blaming this on a bug in Media Center, but recently discovered that our Nvidia GPU'd systems don't crash at all.

With 8.3 this problem is completely gone. Media Center hasn't crashed once and I've clicked "stop", "play", "stop", "play", etc. over and over. Before Media Center would crash within 5 or so cycles. Now it is rock solid.

The one thing I haven't figured out is TRDenoise. I still have TRDenoise=0 in the registry, but I swear that there is less noise with 8.3 compared to previous versions. I have left the denoise slider at the default 64, but somehow it seems (to me) that 8.3 is performing some level of denoise filtering on SD content. HD looks about the same.

Is it possible that there are two separate and independent denoise filters? One TRDenoise and the other controlled by the slider?

I haven't had time to experiment to try to figure this out. The image quality is very good and I don't want to mess with it until I have a little time.

Is it possible that there are two separate and independent denoise filters? One TRDenoise and the other controlled by the slider?


I think I compared the slider at max and min, with trdenoise off, and found it was the same (implying trdenoise=0 disables the slider completely). Will check.

Maybe deblock is different?

Hopefully this is a quick quesiton. I have a ATI HD 2400 pro. Should I be able to see the ATI Overdrive tool in my CCC? I don't see it at all. Is there a way I can overclock with the CCC? or do I need ATItool or RivaTuner?

Has anybody try this new 8.3 pci-e only drivers on AGP cards?
I use XP SP2 and now i have visiontek 8.2 version installed.

With AtiTool i overclock my 2400 pro up to 840/540 GPU/MEM
ATI overdrive never worked for me since 7.7

Regards

Has anybody try this new 8.3 pci-e only drivers on AGP cards?


It worked for me, just had to mod the inf file first.

For you AGPers, there's a cat8.3 hotfix:

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=31542
737-31542: DirectX not functioning with Radeon AGP graphics cards

Well, I've just swapped my 2600xt for a HD3850 and now get FULL HW accel. (mpeg2, AVC, VC1) without any reg fix (vforceuvdvc1, vforceuvdh264, HWUVD_ForceMPEG2):confused:.

This on a DUAL display setup and Vista x32 and CAT8.3.

I really suspected that all this problems with hw acceleration could be solved once and for all by switching to a HD3xx0 card and it seems I was right.

Well, I've just swapped my 2600xt for a HD3850 and now get FULL HW accel. (mpeg2, AVC, VC1) without any reg fix (vforceuvdvc1, vforceuvdh264, HWUVD_ForceMPEG2):confused:.

This on a DUAL display setup and Vista x32 and CAT8.3.

I really suspected that all this problems with hw acceleration could be solved once and for all by switching to a HD3xx0 card and it seems I was right.

Makes sense of a sort - after all, it would be pretty nuts if the 3850 didn't have enough memory bandwith for that. Probably the drivers have some sort of internal total pixel limitation on acceleration (something like vforcemaxressize), set by model. I wonder how the 36xx models do.

Of course, even the 2400 actually has enough to do dual display+acceleration, as you can prove with any driver version before this year :confused:

Yes, Arfster. Just for fun I installed the 3850 on my Vista x64 machine (also a dual display setup) and I get again full dxva accel. I never got hw accel with the 2600xt there (even with 7.7). ATI must be then "intentionally" limiting the performance on the 2x00 to favor the new models!:mad::mad::mad:

IDC CHANGER CRASHES

Hi,
I try to patch my mkv files with IDC Changer for HA with my 2400 pro pcie(Vista sp1), but when I run it, windows immediatly stop it, impossible to run it properly, so no HA for my mkv files...
Has someone an idea ?
Thanks a lot

IDC CHANGER CRASHES

Hi,
I try to patch my mkv files with IDC Changer for HA with my 2400 pro pcie(Vista sp1), but when I run it, windows immediatly stop it, impossible to run it properly, so no HA for my mkv files...
Has someone an idea ?
Thanks a lot

Use MPC-HC 1.1 instead, it doesn't need files patched.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170561

There's also the standalone filter there (mpchc_x86_v1.1.0.0_MPCVideoDec.zip), which does VLD acceleration for h264 and vc1 in any directshow app.

I have the Saphire 2600 DVI->HDMI to a Sharp Aquos 46" set to "DOT to DOT"
Dot to Dot worked fine with my old ATI 8500 on the same DVI->HDMI but with this 2600 I'm not getting utilization of the full screen. I've got an inch+ border around all sides.

Anyone else run into this problem? TIA for the help.

I have a HD2600Pro, right now I am at CCC 7.7 because I need the HA in PowerDVD to stay checked after the movie starts.

With CCC 8.3 does the HA check box for "ATI Avivo" within PowerDVD stay checked?

Also functionally CCC 7.7 has been fine for me, are there improvements with the latest release that warrent the upgrade?

Thanks

THANKS A LOT ARFSTER ! It worked immediatly, 720p mkv file read very smoothly(19% cpu) on my little AMD 3200+ ! One last question as I am not very strong in all those manipulations...I cannot have the sound in AC-3 with MPC-HC... I have an SPDIF out from my sound card, it works with Windows Media Player and Powerdvd (just crossed the spdif box in parameters), but MPC-HC seems to work with filters and I don't know how/where to activate the SPDIF out. Thanks to all of you guys for this wonderfull forum !!!

IDC CHANGER CRASHES ...

If you don't want to use MPC-HC's accelerated x264 decoder, make sure you have the latest version of IDC Changer which you can find here : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13229116#post13229116

First version crashed for everyone. Also make sure you have the .NET dll's mentioned in that thread in case you don't have .NET 2.0 installed.

But using MPC-HC would get my vote.

Use MPC-HC 1.1 instead, it doesn't need files patched.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170561

There's also the standalone filter there (mpchc_x86_v1.1.0.0_MPCVideoDec.zip), which does VLD acceleration for h264 and vc1 in any directshow app.

so, when playing MKV files, with the above standalone filter installed, any directshow app/player will gets HD accelerated (I'm using XP)?? 'cos right now, when I play MKV files, it's all CPUs.

I'm using a 2400XT and a 2600Pro with 7.10 driver in WinXP. what is the currently best driver right now btw?? (haven't really keep up with this thread lately....)

tks in advance!!

Are you referring to the HA check box for "ATI Avivo" within PowerDVD?

Yes. That check-box indicates whether HA is possible or not. If HA is possible it is automatically activated by PowerDVD. Actually you cannot disable HA if it is available. Cyberlink filters are currently only filters offering HA with H.264 (except probably MPC HC). If PowerDVD does not activate HA, Cyberlink filter does not get HA in other players either.

Yes. That check-box indicates whether HA is possible or not. If HA is possible it is automatically activated by PowerDVD. Actually you cannot disable HA if it is available. Cyberlink filters are currently only filters offering HA with H.264 (except probably MPC HC). If PowerDVD does not activate HA, Cyberlink filter does not get HA in other players either.

Great information, but I have found that HA did not work in a lot of versions of CCC, but from what I saw, always appears to work in CCC 7.7

I was hoping that this was true for version 8.3?

@spamtron
I have the Saphire 2600 DVI->HDMI to a Sharp Aquos 46" set to "DOT to DOT"
Dot to Dot worked fine with my old ATI 8500 on the same DVI->HDMI but with this 2600 I'm not getting utilization of the full screen. I've got an inch+ border around all sides.


Have you tried different refresh rates (24/50/60Hz)?
Which driver version ?

They broke desktop scaling with 8.3 :(

Why is it always 1 step forward and 2 steps back with these ppl ? :rolleyes:

...and when are they going to include 1080p@50Hz

Great information, but I have found that HA did not work in a lot of versions of CCC, but from what I saw, always appears to work in CCC 7.7

I was hoping that this was true for version 8.3?

I'm using 7.11 Crysis hotfix which is for me the latest CCC with working HA.

...and when are they going to include 1080p@50Hz

I've been wondering this. I've spent a while trying to get it to do 1080p@50Hz and assumed I was doing something wrong as it was having none of it!

Don't feel bad, I can't get 1080p@24hz to work properly. Submitted a bug report to ATI.

With the new MPC-HC, what is the success rate when playing back mkv (x.264) 1080p with 2400pro or 2600pro AGP?
I know it supposingly only automates the 4.1 header forcing that previously was achieved manually by IDC Changer, but still - should facilitate statistics gathering.

Cheers

With the new MPC-HC, what is the success rate when playing back mkv (x.264) 1080p with 2400pro or 2600pro AGP?
I know it supposingly only automates the 4.1 header forcing that previously was achieved manually by IDC Changer, but still - should facilitate statistics gathering.


Encodes older than a month: More or less no chance, all the standard profiles used way too many ref frames at this resolution for the cards. Depending on how much is fixed in hardware ATI might be able to do something about this (after all, the cards can accelerate h264 over 100mbit, so there's plenty power there). Still, hard to see them bothering.

Newer ones: Still down to the encoder's choice, but apparently there are more - I think megui and so on have started including dxva profiles by standard, and encoding for the PS3 is an extra incentive for people to be careful there.

~LOL Hey Arfster, it's bad when I have too much free time that I found a way to make a 720 x 480 DVD scale to a full screen 1280 x 1084 monitor and still keep its detail without artifacts showin up based upon the registry settings, isnt it? :)

Plus, I'm using brightness set at 50 and contrast set at 100 just for a more detail look.

I'll see about posting the registry settings and what was changed to get that effect once i figure out how to keep it in alphabetical order.

Hi, I'm new to this forum, seems I found some guys who know what they're talking about.

I have an ati 2400hd card running in vista (SP1), with a lcd tv connected through HDMI.

Yesterday I decided to give catalyst 8.3 a try and noticed tghat for the first time I was able to use dxva to playback hd content. I was able to play a 1080p VC-1 encoded file at 8% cpu usage in Media Player Classic Home Cinema 1.1.0.0, and the video was more smooth than ever.

Unfortunately, pretty soon atikmdag started it's work and actually managed to give me a BSOD for the first time since I'm using Vista. I had maybe 20 errors in 5 hours, at least half of which lead to a reboot (at one point my computer even failed to boot at all). So I had to go back to catalyst 7.7 which doesn't give me these errors. But now HD-videos won't start in media player classic if I leave the "enable dxva" checkbox checked. There is no error message, the player just reports that the video stoppped (time is 0 minutes 0 seconds). If I uncheck it, of course, there is no HA. Also when I use the powerdvd codec, the video will play, the cpu usage however shoots over 50%, and video is shocky again.

Knowing what the system is capable of, and having seen how smooth the videos played while using catalyst 8.3, it's hard to accept the mediocre performance I'm seeing right now.

I've tried disconnecting the hdmi screen (and disabling it in ccc), as I have read this could be part of the problem.

I've used all the registry tweaks that are reported here: (edit:as this is my first post urls are not allowed, it's the link to registry tweaks by exdeus.)
but no improvement.

So I would be happy with either one of two solutions:

1 - Get dxva to work in catalyst 7.7
2 - Get catalyst 8.3 working without all the crashes

Anyone know the solution?

Did you try MPC-HC's built in decoders too?, the crashes you mentioned might be caused by a partially level4.1 compliant file, what kind of file where you playing?

yeah, I'm using the internal codecs of MPC. I'm using a lot of different files, wmv-vc1 mkv-h264, mkv-vc1, ts, all with the same result. But I know they should play, because when I used catalyst 8.3 they were all playing.

I seem to be stuck at 7.9. After finally getting the difficult registry files and one dll out of my system, I still could not get past a catalyst 7.9 install. To be specific, I tried to go straight to 8.3, but got error messages related to mom and cli. I have .net 3.5 fully installed on my Vista machine. In fact Vista comes with .net 3.0 as I understand it.

I can't uninstall ATI utilities using the regular ATI uninstall procedures...and the Windows uninstall utility only does a partial removal (that is how I got the registry and dll problems).

So I am open to other suggestions. Previously I had also tried CCleaner and some other driver removal programs, but they didn't help much.

I suppose it is possible that there are some other keys that I am missing...I have mainly gone into files in the registry titled ATI and ACE. Are there other spots to clean out?

Perhaps Vista SP1 might help out. I assume it does some kind of registry clean up on installation like SP2 did for XP, but I don't have SP1 yet. Is there a web site to go get it early? Will it matter?

have finally gotten my system working with (H.264,X.264),vc1,avc and 720p mkv's. (max 15%cpu utilization, ave 4%).
My setup is:
Hardware:
HIS HD2600 xt 512 AGP
amd athlon 2500 barton(oc to 3200)
A7N8X MB
500 watt apevia PSU 12v30amp
hanns-g HG281d 1920x1200
Software:
XP sp2
8.3 catalyst w/ edited inf files. NO HOT FIX (hotfix gave me problems with crysis and poor 3dMARK results.)COD4 is still HIghly unstable.(did add the ati3duag.dll but ran Driver cleaner between setups so i asume that it removed it)

latest cyberlink with the SSE fix:

For SSE computers:

In the folder:
C:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD\VideoFilter
Rename 264dsse.dll to 264dsse.dll.old
Rename 264dsse2.dll to 264dsse.dll

Also IDC changer for mkv's

Ran the reg fix unsure if it did anything(without it got same results.)

My bigggest mistake was not using the SSE dll fix. Thanks for posting that on the first page tetsuo55. Also the 8.3 catalyst alone gave me a 200 point boost from hot fix 8.1 with 3dmark 06. I got 3876 with slight oc to 837/729. but still COD4 is still Highly unstable. Is 3876 good for my setup?

Problem:
Can't get HA with 1080p MkV:confused:
The file is h.264(MPEG-4 AVC) with AC3 1900x800. Using mpc-hc or zoom player with cyberlink codec, Halli media splitter, IDC changer and ffdshow for audio. Also i tried a file of the same type with 1400x800 and i got BSOD(some ati issue) with MPC-HC
I get a black screen in mpc(no audio) and then a nonresponsive computer. Files work on another computer with software decoder.


Thank you guys so much for the help:), I just wanted to report some success with a small problem.

I seem to be stuck at 7.9. After finally getting the difficult registry files and one dll out of my system, I still could not get past a catalyst 7.9 install. To be specific, I tried to go straight to 8.3, but got error messages related to mom and cli. I have .net 3.5 fully installed on my Vista machine. In fact Vista comes with .net 3.0 as I understand it.

I can't uninstall ATI utilities using the regular ATI uninstall procedures...and the Windows uninstall utility only does a partial removal (that is how I got the registry and dll problems).

So I am open to other suggestions. Previously I had also tried CCleaner and some other driver removal programs, but they didn't help much.

I suppose it is possible that there are some other keys that I am missing...I have mainly gone into files in the registry titled ATI and ACE. Are there other spots to clean out?

Perhaps Vista SP1 might help out. I assume it does some kind of registry clean up on installation like SP2 did for XP, but I don't have SP1 yet. Is there a web site to go get it early? Will it matter?

I know the problem, for me the following solution pretty much always works:

1 - go to device manager, click properties of your video card and click update driver. Make your computer look for drivers and select standard vga.
reboot

2 - go to www_dot_drivercleaner_dot_net and download the free tool. you might have to run the tool and reboot a few times.

3 - download seperate packages from ati, so driver and cc as separate packages.

4 - install only the driver and reboot. If you get mom or cli error, run setup again and press update or repair, this should fx it.

5 - After you get no errors on reboot, install ccc, this should be no problem now.

Make sure that during these steps the setup program doesn't report ccc or the driver as already beng on the system. I think you have to use custom during setup to review that. If setup says it's already oin the system, you have to clean some more.

Can't get HA with 1080p MkV:confused:


Most aren't compatible with acceleration unfortunately, as they were encoded before people thought about hardware acceleration working. As a result, they tend to use a crazy number of ref frames and so on, which exceed the h264 standards used for Bluray/HDDVD (which seem to be what the acceleration features are built for). IDC Changer fixes something else entirely (the "20 fps bug").

Wrt the registry tweaks, with 8.3 the only one that's definitely needed is usebt601csc=1, to fix SD levels. If you have dual display you also need vforceuvdvc1=1 and vforceuvdh264=1 with a 2600 (although apparently not with a 3800 series).

How do I enable those new feature in cat 8.3 under XP?
Do I have to navigate to the registry and change some settings? if so can someone explain how?

Us newbies need some hand holding to get things done..

Vheisterkamp--

Thank you for the suggestions. I will give it a try.

Most aren't compatible with acceleration unfortunately, as they were encoded before people thought about hardware acceleration working. As a result, they tend to use a crazy number of ref frames and so on, which exceed the h264 standards used for Bluray/HDDVD (which seem to be what the acceleration features are built for). IDC Changer fixes something else entirely (the "20 fps bug")

Thanks for the help, I just have a quick question:
Is there a way to convert 1080p mkv's(h.264/x264) to a format that can be accelerated or has the damage been done and can't be converted. i dont really care about file type just if it can be converted in a resonable amount of time.

There is nothing to convert. It needs to be re-encoded using no more than the allowed reference frames. Basically it's like starting all over again. No ways around it.

There is nothing to convert. It needs to be re-encoded using no more than the allowed reference frames. Basically it's like starting all over again. No ways around it.

Would reencoding cause significant deterioration of PQ? Writing a batch that would do that overnight (over 2 nights?) wouldn't be a terrible nuisance. I guess this would anyway be a temporary necessity unless scene picks up the new standard.

What do you think?

I need some help with the video levels on my HD3650. I read through arfster's (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11659897&postcount=2121) post, but I am a little confused about the settings that I need to make to ensure the video levels remain 16-235.


If you want the original 16-235 (video levels) then go into CCC/avivo video/basic colour and turn "use application settings" off, brightness to 16, contrast 86 - pretty much exactly reversing the expansion.


If I do the above, would I always get 16-235 output level regardless if I use hardware acceleration or not while in VMR9 or EVR?

Also, is there a way to prevent the expansion in the first place.

If I do the above, would I always get 16-235 output level regardless if I use hardware acceleration or not while in VMR9 or EVR?


In EVR, yes. In VMR9, I've seen a handful of apps that don't expand (related to mixermode, whatever that is) - however, it's no solution, because they just content themselves with screwing up the colours instead. Most will expand in all modes.


Also, is there a way to prevent the expansion in the first place.

We wish :mad:

Would reencoding cause significant deterioration of PQ? Writing a batch that would do that overnight (over 2 nights?) wouldn't be a terrible nuisance. I guess this would anyway be a temporary necessity unless scene picks up the new standard.

What do you think?

I believe the PQ loss would be minimal. Personally, I gave up on HA and just upgraded my PC, a lot less headaches that way.

Hey Arfster,

I hate to be askin this since i know that if you said it once, you said it a thousand times but... the umd/dxva, is that for xp and vista or...? I'm askin since i'm havin video trouble on the TV for when it gets dark for a few seconds then goes back to normal and will repeat occasionally throughout the whole movie. Another thing is that the dword and string confuses me.

Thanks,
Dee

I have read through these post and a lot of problems seem to deal with the GPU acceleration. Is there a need for hardware acceleration when using an E6850 processor, 4 Gig of Ram, Intel G33 Express Chipset, 2600 Pro running Vista 32? Purely HTPC usage Blu-ray, MKV, MPEG2 & h264 in TSs, no gaming.

Thanks

There is nothing to convert. It needs to be re-encoded using no more than the allowed reference frames. Basically it's like starting all over again. No ways around it.

Hence my name i dont know very much about various video formats,codec,encoders,etc. But I looked up re-encoding and i found a software called River Past Video Cleaner pro and i was wondering what settings should the file be re-encoded with? Would this even solve the issue?Also what is the "allowed refrence frames" for 1080p?

I have read through these post and a lot of problems seem to deal with the GPU acceleration. Is there a need for hardware acceleration when using an E6850 processor, 4 Gig of Ram, Intel G33 Express Chipset, 2600 Pro running Vista 32? Purely HTPC usage Blu-ray, MKV, MPEG2 & h264 in TSs, no gaming.

Thanks

NO

Hence my name i dont know very much about various video formats,codec,encoders,etc. But I looked up re-encoding and i found a software called River Past Video Cleaner pro and i was wondering what settings should the file be re-encoded with? Would this even solve the issue?Also what is the "allowed refrence frames" for 1080p?

I am afraid you picked one of the more advanced encoders to try your hand at encoding. H264, (aka Advanced Video Coding (AVC), aka mpeg4 part 10). I don't believe River Past Video cleaner supports it. An open source h264 (free) encoder is called x264. It is probably one of the widest used h264 encoders on the internet. The creators and other pros hang out at doom9.org. There you will find all kinds of information about h264 encoding including front ends like MeGui and others. If you are really interested take a look at their forum. But be prepared this encoder has lots of options which makes very powerful but also steep on the learning curve.

I am afraid you picked one of the more advanced encoders to try your hand at encoding. H264, (aka Advanced Video Coding (AVC), aka mpeg4 part 10). I don't believe River Past Video cleaner supports it. An open source h264 (free) encoder is called x264. It is probably one of the widest used h264 encoders on the internet. The creators and other pros hang out at doom9.org. There you will find all kinds of information about h264 encoding including front ends like MeGui and others. If you are really interested take a look at their forum. But be prepared this encoder has lots of options which makes very powerful but also steep on the learning curve.

Yea I had a feeling it would be pretty complicated, since people could avoid all the HA + MKV troubles by just simply re-encoding a new file. O well, I would like to know how but I don't really want to get that involved. Thanks for these quick answers:).

Just wondering if Vista 32bit has this same problem with 1080p mkv's files with high ref. frames.

I've got a dual display setup on my HD 2600 PRO AGP 512MB, one for my main monitor and one for my HD projector screen. I've created two profiles 1- for my standard PC operations. 2 - For my HTPC mode in which I need my HD projector screen to be the "primary" screen so that all launches correctly, blah, blah... I have everything integrated into my Harmony 1000. However, I need to be able to somehow tie these profiles into a batch file that runs when I do the activity and launch Media Center. I've seen a couple things mentioned here about batch files. I've also noticed that the ATI cards do indeed seem to auto recognize ( system beeps) when the HDMI port becomes active from my receiver once the H1000 selects the proper receiver port. Is there an easy way to make the HD2600 auto run the profile v/s defaulting to clone mode? Any ideas?? :confused:

Thanks KeyMIX

Just wondering if Vista 32bit has this same problem with 1080p mkv's files with high ref. frames.

Yes - that problem is entirely in the cards. Nvidia has the same issue with the 8500/8600 too.

In EVR, yes. In VMR9, I've seen a handful of apps that don't expand (related to mixermode, whatever that is) - however, it's no solution, because they just content themselves with screwing up the colours instead. Most will expand in all modes.


I am using MPC-HC v1.1 and my output is set to EVR. If I use the built-in H264, VC-1, and MPEG2 decoders, would I have to worry about my colors getting screwed up?

I am using MPC-HC v1.1 and my output is set to EVR. If I use the built-in H264, VC-1, and MPEG2 decoders, would I have to worry about my colors getting screwed up?

Nope, EVR just expands :-)

just got my Sapphire ATI Radeon HD2600XT and realised I don't know which DVI port defaults to screen 0 and which defaults to screen 1. Should I connect a single screen to the lower or upper DVI port ?

Nope, EVR just expands :-)
How about MPC in XP with VMR9, Direct3D Fullscreen, mixer mode + YUV mixing?

How about MPC in XP with VMR9, Direct3D Fullscreen, mixer mode + YUV mixing?

Try and see :-) I haven't used XP in donkey's years so no idea.

for me under xp the HA works, but because of some odd reason i dont get a smooth playback... its almost but still not... CPU around 10, GPU around 3 %....under vista it works fine at least with 720p and some but not all 1080p CPU around 15%, GPU 3%... i use the MPC video decoder which works with almost all players (kmplayer, MPC, etc...)
My system is amd x2 4200+ (using just 1 core), 1 GB ram, hd2600xt, 512 mb, AGP, VISTA 32
btw for me HA acceleration works only with EVR, and in some players (like KMplayer) the high or superspeed mode should be turned on

Try and see :-) I haven't used XP in donkey's years so no idea.
Well, it's kind of strange. I've set my video processor to "video" level which gives me the best picture. But the BTB information seems to be missing. It seems to me that the ATI card is sending video levels, but without BTB. But I'm not fully sure if I haven't messed up something somewhere...

is ti possibile MPC-HD decoder do not use any features of Uvd?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1513/78739531ig3.th.png (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=78739531ig3.png)

sharpener, noise reduction , skin correction and so on?

seems not...

is ti possibile MPC-HD decoder do not use any features of Uvd?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1513/78739531ig3.th.png (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=78739531ig3.png)

sharpener, noise reduction , skin correction and so on?

seems not...

Think you're right, although it's not really down to the decoder, it's the drivers/card that make that decision. At least with 1080i/p, denoise/sharpening does nothing. I expect that's the same for 720p. You need to try some SD to see it working, when it's really obvious (pull the sliders around while playing a video, you can see it change in real time).

Also might be a factor that progressive material doesn't denoise. Before the sliders appeared, trdenoise used to only work for interlaced.

Huston? I've got a problem...

Hi All,

Well, I'm using a brand new E4500 under XP SP2 with an HD2600 Pro AGP and the VisionTek 8.43 drivers (thanks arfster to gave us a link a few weeks ago).

Launching an HD-DVD through PowerDVD yesterday with my brand new E4500, the right HA driver and arfster's tweaks (thanks again, mate!), the picture displayed was like corrupted or crypted (a mix of horizontal lines not at the right place) :( After 5 seconds, PowerDVD stopped playing. The HA was in use looking into the information window while playing. Without HA, same result.

Launching a 1080p MPEG-4 .MOV trailer through PowerDVD is working!

If I'm using MPC HD with a VC-1 or MPEG-4 .EVO file, no image is displayed.
With a MPEG-2 .EVO file or a 1080p MPEG-4 .MOV trailer, that's working.
Before that, using PowerDVD and an old XP2400+, everything was perfect with HA.

Have you an idea of what's going on ?
Any solution ?

Thanks a lot ;)

You need to try some SD to see it working, when it's really obvious (pull the sliders around while playing a video, you can see it change in real time).

With SD material Dxva do not start :confused:

Filter : MPC - Video decoder - CLSID : {008BAC12-FBAF-497B-9670-BC6F6FBAE2C4}

- Connected to:

CLSID: {55DA30FC-F16B-49FC-BAA5-AE59FC65F82D}
Filter: E:\Media\Musica & Concerti\Paul Simon Graceland.mkv
Pin: Video

- Connection media type:

Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x576 (4:3) 25.00fps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO {E06D80E3-DB46-11CF-B4D1-00805F6CBBEA}
bFixedSizeSamples: 0
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 1
cbFormat: 169

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(0,0)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(0,0)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 400000

VIDEOINFOHEADER2:
dwInterlaceFlags: 0x00000000
dwCopyProtectFlags: 0x00000000
dwPictAspectRatioX: 768
dwPictAspectRatioY: 576
dwControlFlags: 0x00000000
dwReserved2: 0x00000000

MPEG2VIDEOINFO:
dwStartTimeCode: 0
cbSequenceHeader: 37
dwProfile: 0x0000004d
dwLevel: 0x00000033
dwFlags: 0x00000004

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 720
biHeight: 576
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 24
biCompression: avc1
biSizeImage: 0
biXPelsPerMeter: 15
biYPelsPerMeter: 16
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 1a 06 00 00 00 00 00 ........€.......
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 40 02 00 00 ............@...
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 ........(...Ð...
0050: 40 02 00 00 01 00 18 00 61 76 63 31 00 00 00 00 @.......avc1....
0060: 0f 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0070: 00 00 00 00 25 00 00 00 4d 00 00 00 33 00 00 00 ....%...M...3...
0080: 04 00 00 00|00 1d 67 4d 40 33 9a 71 00 5a 09 37 ......gM@3šq.Z.7
0090: fe 00 20 00 1e 20 00 00 03 00 20 00 00 06 51 e3 þ. .. .... ...Qã
00a0: 06 31 10 00 04 68 ee bc 80 .1...hî¼€

Use MPC-HC 1.1 instead, it doesn't need files patched.

sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170561

There's also the standalone filter there (mpchc_x86_v1.1.0.0_MPCVideoDec.zip), which does VLD acceleration for h264 and vc1 in any directshow app.

Hi arfster,
thanks for posting that link - After installing both items, 720p is working perfectly with H/W acceleraion!

But I'm not getting the 1080p accelerated... :mad:

Using 2600Pro ATI / Win XP 32bit SP2 / Athlon x64 4000 Dual Core / Newest CCC and reg hacks 0.12

Would appreciate any hint to get the 1080 movies working! Trying for hrs now...


Regards!


**edit**
I found your explanation thread... (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11659897&postcount=2121)
Do I have to adjust the corresponding value?

"VForceMaxResSize 2800000 (aka SORTOverrideVidSizeCaps in Cat7.7 and earlier) = this sets the PDVD HDDVD/Bluray max render size in pixels, but the default setting is so small that it can't fill a 1080p screen. The formula appears to be screen width squared * 0.75. On a 2600 the default value when the key doesn't exist appears to be around 2.3 million, which is enough for a 1600*1200 screen, but not for 1920 pixels wide. For that the 2.8 million value above is enough, but if you have a 2500*1600 screen it needs to be 4687500 or greater. Since there's maybe a performance reason for a limit, it's probably not worth setting it higher than you need."

Hello

It is possible to change the gamma in the registry ?

My system : Vista 32 + Sapphire 2600 XT .

Thank's

I found your explanation thread... (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11659897&postcount=2121)
Do I have to adjust the corresponding value?

"[B]VForceMaxResSize 2800000

No, that's only for PDVD Bluray/HDDVD playback. You can't do anything about accelerating older 1080p x264 files - the problem is the files break the playback standards. Ones made recently are tending to work though.

No, that's only for PDVD Bluray/HDDVD playback. You can't do anything about accelerating older 1080p x264 files - the problem is the files break the playback standards. Ones made recently are tending to work though.

Oh, OK... Didn't know that! :mad: Thanks for your quick reply though!

Then I'll go for 720p ;) And hope newer 1080p are working!

Huston? I've got a problem...

Hi All,

Well, I'm using a brand new E4500 under XP SP2 with an HD2600 Pro AGP and the VisionTek 8.43 drivers (thanks arfster to gave us a link a few weeks ago).

Launching an HD-DVD through PowerDVD yesterday with my brand new E4500, the right HA driver and arfster's tweaks (thanks again, mate!), the picture displayed was like corrupted or crypted (a mix of horizontal lines not at the right place) :( After 5 seconds, PowerDVD stopped playing. The HA was in use looking into the information window while playing. Without HA, same result.

Launching a 1080p MPEG-4 .MOV trailer through PowerDVD is working!

If I'm using MPC HD with a VC-1 or MPEG-4 .EVO file, no image is displayed.
With a MPEG-2 .EVO file or a 1080p MPEG-4 .MOV trailer, that's working.
Before that, using PowerDVD and an old XP2400+, everything was perfect with HA.

Have you an idea of what's going on ?
Any solution ?

Thanks a lot ;)

Hello, I have E6600 with Radeon HD2400PRO AGP and HA is working well on my config.

Windows XP SP2
Current drivers for VIA800PRO chipset for my MOBO (Asrock)
CCC 8.3 hotfix (Agp) ,Thank you Arfster
Reg Tweaks 0.12, Thank you again ;-)
Latest PDVD Ultra

Regards

Lastnight i tried a BluRay movie a little more intensive (Spider Man 3), i jumped to the scene with Spiderman fighting Venom (Chapter 48). Then i pulled up the Task Managers and both cores of my CPU (Pentium D 3.2 Dual Core) were between 65%-80% load. If i paused the movie the load dropped to 0% so i know nothing else was running using up CPU.

I installed RivaTuner and pulled up the graphics monitor and HA monitor once i resumed the movie the GPU went to about 30% usages and HA went from 0 to 1, i'm guessing it's an on or off state. But the CPU's were still getting taxed pretty heavly. Given this setup is this to be expected or is something not working properly?

XP Pro SP2
Pentium D 3.2 Dual Core
1gb Ram
Sapphire Radeon 2600 Pro AGP w/512 onboard
DVIadapter to VGA, to VGA port on 50" Vizio Plasma

I checked the settings in PowerDVD and HA is checked but it's greyed out. I'm running CCC 8.3 driver version.

Now it didn't studder or have any artifacting but i'm just curious that my setup is doing what it should. My wife tried to watch a different BR movie called "Catch and Release" and she said it would play for half an hour then studder and as she put it "freak out" she would have to close PowerDVD then open and retry it would play longer then freak out again. I wasn't home to check what may have been causing that but i had her kill all the running processes.

Also on Sapphires website they list several AGP fixes for my card but dont' actually say what they correct, does anyone have any ideas?

8.471-080225a1-060235E-ATI - Hotfix Driver for AGP version of ATI RADEON™ HD 2400Pro/2600Pro/2600XT/HD3850 Windows XP(32-bit) Dated 3/10/08
http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/driverfiles/429.exe

xp32_8-471-57941 - Catalyst 8.3 HOTFIX for AGP cards and WinXP 32-bit (if problems occur by using AGP cards) Dated 3/12/08
http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/driverfiles/407.zip

Hello, I have E6600 with Radeon HD2400PRO AGP and HA is working well on my config.

Windows XP SP2
Current drivers for VIA800PRO chipset for my MOBO (Asrock)
CCC 8.3 hotfix (Agp) ,Thank you Arfster
Reg Tweaks 0.12, Thank you again ;-)
Latest PDVD Ultra

Regards
Well, I fixed the issue :) using the latest AGP 8.3 hotfix from ATI and the HA is working on VC-1 / MPEG-4 contents with an output resolution above > 1050 :D

Think you're right, although it's not really down to the decoder, it's the drivers/card that make that decision. At least with 1080i/p, denoise/sharpening does nothing. I expect that's the same for 720p. You need to try some SD to see it working, when it's really obvious (pull the sliders around while playing a video, you can see it change in real time).
Also might be a factor that progressive material doesn't denoise. Before the sliders appeared, trdenoise used to only work for interlaced.

MPC Decoder and Dxva work with SD material with @3.1 level. and also work
in SD the additional features like sharpner and noise reduction ! :D

Use MPC-HC 1.1 instead, it doesn't need files patched.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170561

There's also the standalone filter there (mpchc_x86_v1.1.0.0_MPCVideoDec.zip), which does VLD acceleration for h264 and vc1 in any directshow app.

The MPC-HC 1.1 works really great with my mkv files, but I want to use the filters with another application (gbpvr). I've registered the filter. I have to add the name of the filter to a line in an xml file.
But what is the exact name of the codec (not the .ax file name)?

Does this make sense?

Use MPC-HC 1.1 instead, it doesn't need files patched.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170561

There's also the standalone filter there (mpchc_x86_v1.1.0.0_MPCVideoDec.zip), which does VLD acceleration for h264 and vc1 in any directshow app.

The MPC-HC 1.1 works really great with my mkv files, but I want to use the filters with another application (gbpvr). I've registered the filter. I have to add the name of the filter to a line in an xml file.
But what is the exact name of the codec (not the .ax file name)?

Does this make sense?

The MPC-HC 1.1 works really great with my mkv files, but I want to use the filters with another application (gbpvr). I've registered the filter. I have to add the name of the filter to a line in an xml file.
But what is the exact name of the codec (not the .ax file name)?

Does this make sense?
Use Direct Show Filter Manager (http://www.softella.com/dsfm/index.en.htm). It will give you all kinds of information about directshow filters, allow you to change their merit, etc.

Use Direct Show Filter Manager (http://www.softella.com/dsfm/index.en.htm). It will give you all kinds of information about directshow filters, allow you to change their merit, etc.

Thanks. That'll work :D

I've got a dual display setup on my HD 2600 PRO AGP 512MB, one for my main monitor and one for my HD projector screen. I've created two profiles 1- for my standard PC operations. 2 - For my HTPC mode in which I need my HD projector screen to be the "primary" screen so that all launches correctly, blah, blah... I have everything integrated into my Harmony 1000. However, I need to be able to somehow tie these profiles into a batch file that runs when I do the activity and launch Media Center. I've seen a couple things mentioned here about batch files. I've also noticed that the ATI cards do indeed seem to auto recognize ( system beeps) when the HDMI port becomes active from my receiver once the H1000 selects the proper receiver port. Is there an easy way to make the HD2600 auto run the profile v/s defaulting to clone mode? Any ideas?? :confused:

Thanks KeyMIX

I resolved my issue above and I figured I would post my findings for the benifits of others:


For anyone with a MultiDisplay Setup that may be in a Home Theater System in which you may not be using both displays ALWAYS. For example, I use my main LCD to work on my PC when I need to. This may not be when I have my Home Theater System and projector on. With the HD2600 Pro or any of the ATI dual DVI output series cards 1 DVI Port is defaulted as primary, the other as secondary. In a situation in which you may have the DVI/HDMI connected to lets say a A/V receiver in a Home Theater Setup. Unless, the receiver is ON and the INPUT on the receiver that is connected to the HTPC is selected, the ATI Video Card doesn't recognize the port as active. Once it does come active, the ATI Catalyst software will default automatically to CLONE mode. This may not be desirable if you want to drive a 1080p source, when your main LCD monitor is not in that resolution or is not capable. The ATI card will default the secondary port to match your settings of your primary. So for my example, that set my 1080p projector in the default LCD's monitor resolution.

I actually was able to resolve this issue by doing two main steps.

1. Catalyst can be setup to create different Profiles using the profile manager. You can save these profiles and choose to save a shortcut to your desktop for easy reference. I made two. One for my standard profile, One for my Home Theater Profile, in which my 1080p projector was extended and set according to my taste, etc.

2. From the Missing Remote Forums, I found a link to a nifty program called LM Remote KeyMap ( http://www.lmgestion.net/@en-us/4/22/60/article.asp) that works really well with most everyone HTPC remotes especially MicroSoft's MCE. This program will allow the user to map various functions to any remote key, such as other commands, open applications, run command lines, etc. This allowed me to take the shortcut that the Catalyst Profile saved on my desktop, right hand click on the properties of the shortcut & copy the path and command line tied to the ATI shortcut to a particular key that is not being used by the remote ( AKA blue, red, yellow, etc).. I then tested this by pressing the particular key on my remote and it performed the function as it would if I double clicked on the icon ( as long as the port was active). Then for example, I was then able to use my Harmony 1000 Activity macros, to peform that command, which did the "switching" and "configs" for me, and then launched my HTPC apps as I wished!!!

I hope this may help someone!!!

I am having trouble with the ATI catalyst with my 2600XT letting me using different color profiles. When I save a color setting with one profile and then try to set another color profile and save that with a different profile name it won't switch back and forth. The save names are there but it won't switch to the other color setting profile. It only stays on the first profile I created. Does anyone else have this problem?

Thanks

Edit: I figured it out. I was not checking to save all catalyst settings when creating new profiles.

Hello,
Has anybody set display at 1920x1080p@50Hz (PAL) without use powerstrip?
I add some registry entries that enable PAL support but only appears 1280x720@50Hz and 1920x1080@25Hz (interlaced) on CCC HDTV MODES.
I want 1920x1080@50Hz but i need PowerStrip and don't use this for nothing else..

Regards

My 2400pro has that setting out of the box, i did not need powerstrip

I have it connected to my fullhd lcd with a DVI > HDMI cable

My 2600XT doesn't have 1080p@50 either which is really annoying. I've not sussed out how to get it to do it, so any suggestions gratefully received. CCC offers the same modes highlighted by Gaizka.

Hello,
Has anybody set display at 1920x1080p@50Hz (PAL) without use powerstrip?
I add some registry entries that enable PAL support but only appears 1280x720@50Hz and 1920x1080@25Hz (interlaced) on CCC HDTV MODES.
I want 1920x1080@50Hz but i need PowerStrip and don't use this for nothing else..

Regards

Could you explain how you did this. I would like 1080i, which I can't get with the later drivers, even with powerstrip.

Thanks

Whitey

My 2600XT doesn't have 1080p@50 either which is really annoying. I've not sussed out how to get it to do it, so any suggestions gratefully received. CCC offers the same modes highlighted by Gaizka.

Not quite the response you'd like, but as far as I know video playback with 1080p@50Hz doesn't actually work with any recent Catalyst drivers (including 8.3). It works at 24, 25, 30, and 60, but just gives a black picture with the occasional flicker at 50Hz. I've always had 50Hz as an option on my 2600pro (though as I said its little use for playback) without any tweaks or sneaky fiddles (or Powerstrip).

Are you sure its not reading limited settings options from the display?

For those XP users that are interested, try adding these settings...

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Video\{9CE10 0A6-8864-410C-AA70-B7C846BF43BE}\0000\UMD\DXVA]
"ColorVibrance"=hex:30,00,00,00
"ContrastEnhancement"=hex:31,00,00,00
"Denoise"=hex:30,00,00,00
"Detail"=hex:31,00,00,00
"DI_METHOD"=hex:31,00,00,00
"TRDenoise"=hex:30,00,00,00
"Fleshtone"=hex:30,00,00,00
"WhiteBalanceCorrection"=hex:30,00,00,00
"TrueWhite"=hex:30,00,00,00

For Vista users, I believe that the settings would be strings and are set to "1" for on or "0" for off.

You may see a difference in movies by doing so... games I'm not sure about yet.