ATI Radeon HD 2X00 (2400,2600,2900) series owners thread [Text View] - Page 4

digitlman

07-31-07, 10:41 AM

I picked up a Visiontek HD2400 AGP card today. put it in my athlon xp 2600+ htpc replacing my 9600pro card. i installed 7.7 ccc and pdvd 7.3.3104

cant seem to get the acceleration to turn on. i tried a few bluray files and h264 with no luck. seems to just max out my cpu and play same as with my 9600.

any tips?

well after some more testing i have discovered that .evo files play fine with vc1 codec. they play smooth and my cpu is at about 10-15% usage.

however i cannot play standard h264 avc files, or bluray m2ts files with avc codec. they both play slowly and my cpu is maxxed at 100%

are there any settings i am missing? anything in CCC i need to set or registry settings? i saw all of the reg settings ppl have discovered but i dont know if any of them apply to me and need to be used.

I grabbed the ccc 7.8 beta drivers for XP and was thinking of trying them next.

indieke2

07-31-07, 11:05 AM

I grabbed the ccc 7.8 beta drivers for XP and was thinking of trying them next.

Be carefull, I read a lot of reviews, that they don't solve anything and are even giving more trouble. Maybe wait the next staable release?

rogerssa

07-31-07, 11:20 AM

Anyone have any idea why I'm getting this darn anoying flickering when watching HD DVDs with the 2400pro? I was mentioned earlier in the thread but no answers.

IAM4UK

07-31-07, 11:43 AM

It pays to be a nice and a good customer ;)
...and it pays to get a sweet CSR who thinks you're a swell guy... :cool:

Andy o

07-31-07, 11:44 AM

OK, I swapped cards on my HTPC (Vista x86). My X1900 GT works just fine with my NEC monitor! Green on everything (except CPU, but that's irrelevant) on the Cyberlink advisor, and the HD-DVD plays perfectly. So there's something going on here with the Radeon HD cards (to recap, I have tried a Sapphire 2400 pro and a HIS 2600 pro and none of them work with my NEC HDCP-enabled monitor, but they do via an HDMI adapter to a Sharp Aquos LCD 1080p TV).

Why would they work only with some HDCP-enabled displays? Clearly my NEC is HDCP-enabled, or else it wouldn't work at all, and it works perfectly with my X1900GT. Is it possible they don't enable HDCP for DVI connections? That seems unlikely, but I have no idea what it could be. Has someone been able to play HDCP content through their DVI connections (of course, without running AnyDVD)?

autoboy70

07-31-07, 11:48 AM

however i cannot play standard h264 avc files, or bluray m2ts files with avc codec. they both play slowly and my cpu is maxxed at 100%

Did you try the registry fixes described early in this thread?

digitlman

07-31-07, 12:54 PM

Did you try the registry fixes described early in this thread?

thats what i asked about in my previous post, i dont know if i need to change something in the registry to enable avc acceleration.

autoboy70

07-31-07, 02:37 PM

Edit: updated. Probably worth getting the Vista hotfix mentioned further down in thread too. As of today (10/july), the only remaining problem in Vista is forced tv>pc colour expansion with videos that are >719 vertical lines. Anything lower is fine.

These are for Vista problems, but some work for XP also. The difference is that in XP they're dwords, and go into the root (0000) directory rather than umd/dxva. For either OS, if you uninstall the driver it deletes all these keys, and the reinstall will set them back to default.

1) For the 2400 only, mpeg2 HD hardware acceleration doesn't work, and neither does European 25/50fps 1080i50. Set these strings to zero:

HKR, "UMD\DXVA",DXVA_NOHDDECODE (add if it isn't there)
HKR, "UMD\DXVA",DXVA_Only24FPS1080H264
HKR, "UMD\DXVA",DXVA_Only24FPS1080MPEG2
HKR, "UMD\DXVA",DXVA_Only24FPS1080VC1

The SORTOVERRIDE ones mentioned elsewhere are probably worth keeping - ATI have them in the 2400 installation but not the 2600, so there must be a performance reason. It's not a problem either, since mpeg2 acceleration works with them there as long as NOHDDECODE is at zero. However, it's possible 60fps 720p material might be unaccelerated as a result of the fpscap one, haven't checked.

2) Horrible forced denoising and sharpening, seemingly for XP/Vista and pretty much all Radeons. Add these keys to umd/dxva:

TrDenoise 0
DXVA_DetailEnhance 0

(note: not sure detailenhance makes any difference as of the latest hotfix drivers, there seems to be another key handling it).

3) WMV acceleration broken. Search for DXVA_WMV_NA, change to 0. Now a new option to allow acceleraiton appears under the control centre's video settings (maybe needs a reboot).

Here is the info I was talking about.

nownot

07-31-07, 04:40 PM

needs some advice. i currently have c2d 2.8, 2gb pc 6400, and a bfg 7900gs oc. the video card is not hdcp so i cant watch via drive. i got some evo files on my pc that plays like crap on my system. i can watch 720 and 1080p mkv but not evo's. wondering if this card would help me out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102700 . thanks for any suggestions or any other help.
side note : when trying watching the evo files my cpu % is not that high but still plays like crap so i believe its maybe driver or software but maybe video card, hence me looking else where thanks for any input weither it leads me to software or hardware.

arfster

07-31-07, 04:53 PM

evo files are tough to play because splitters and audio codecs don't handle them well. PowerDVD Ultra can play them perfectly though, assuming you have the necessary hardware.

nownot

07-31-07, 04:55 PM

ya. but i thought my card would be strong enough to play. like i said its not even stressign the cpu and its not doing to good so thats why im thinking more software.

digitlman

07-31-07, 05:12 PM

evo files are tough to play because splitters and audio codecs don't handle them well. PowerDVD Ultra can play them perfectly though, assuming you have the necessary hardware.

that's ironic, in that i can play evo files perfectly with 15% cpu usage with my hd2400 card and yet i cant play any h264 or m2ts bluray files :(

owell i will try to see if i can get teh 7.6 drivers cd that came with it to work. the disk wouldnt read in my computer, maybe another one can read it and copy it. if im lucky maybe they have a proprietary version of 7.6 that works perfect. the card isnt even listed in the driver download section of the visiontek website

IAM4UK

07-31-07, 05:29 PM

needs some advice. i currently have c2d 2.8, 2gb pc 6400, and a bfg 7900gs oc. the video card is not hdcp so i cant watch via drive. i got some evo files on my pc that plays like crap on my system. i can watch 720 and 1080p mkv but not evo's. wondering if this card would help me out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102700 . thanks for any suggestions or any other help.
I'm trying the HIS brand of that same card. Sapphire may be okay, but absolutely avoid the ASUS model; I'm returning that after discovering that it is actually NOT HDCP compliant.

magnusr

07-31-07, 05:31 PM

Mark,

perhaps take a look at

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=676073&page=1&pp=30

It documents a known issue with AVIVO and pal mpeg 2 resulting in smearing/ghosting. There is a registry setting that is supposed to help.

Its just so weird that this should be a problem. I had this both on a X1900GT and X1900XT. I thought this was fixed when 2600 came out. All i can say is just lol to ati for this.

Mark_A_W

07-31-07, 06:43 PM

Its just so weird that this should be a problem. I had this both on a X1900GT and X1900XT. I thought this was fixed when 2600 came out. All i can say is just lol to ati for this.

This is not what was happening Magnus.

The driver install set my desktop colours to 16bit, and I didn't notice as I have a black desktop.

I'm pretty happy now. There is still some posterisation, but it could be in the source.

Once I'm totally happy with film playback, I'll enable DXVA for my recorded TV shows and see if I can get smooth ticker playback, stuff like that.

Mark

magnusr

07-31-07, 06:52 PM

This is not what was happening Magnus.

The driver install set my desktop colours to 16bit, and I didn't notice as I have a black desktop.

I'm pretty happy now. There is still some posterisation, but it could be in the source.

Once I'm totally happy with film playback, I'll enable DXVA for my recorded TV shows and see if I can get smooth ticker playback, stuff like that.

Mark

I have noticed the card setting itself to 1280x720 16 bits many times. Even though i select 1360x768 32bits. Then next time i swap channel on my receiver and/or turn of f/onthe tv it might end back on 1280x720 16 bit. Using hdmi to receiver. then I just have to set it back to 1360x768 32 bits.

Andy o

07-31-07, 09:36 PM

Hmm, so nobody else except IAM4UK and me are having trouble with HDCP via a DVI connection? (I have had trouble with both a Sapphire 2400pro and HIS 2600pro).

arfster

07-31-07, 10:16 PM

Are you guys with HDCP problems using particularly long hdmi cables? Doesn't take a lot of bits dropped to completely screw an encrypted connection.

pochoboy

07-31-07, 10:22 PM

I'm gonna have to investigate more too follow this HDCP thingy. Is it possible to send the encrypted hdmi signal over a hdmi cable via a DVI connector(from what i hear there's a couple different types of DVI connectors)?

Andy o

07-31-07, 10:31 PM

arfster, my HDMI cable is much longer (but not that long -- 10 ft I believe) than my DVI cables. My two DVI cables are like 6 ft. None of the DVI work, but HDMI via adapter to a HDMI TV does work.

And also, I did try using the HDMI cable with two HDMI-DVI converters at both ends, and nothing.

Oh by the way, I did try my x1900 GT with the same cables in the same PC, with the same monitor. No problems with this card! (See one of my posts above.)

IAM4UK

07-31-07, 11:03 PM

Well, this whole HDCP cluster-____ makes me mad. I've tried in good faith to follow the procedures and purchase the equipment deemed necessary for content protection, even while taking offense at being treated like a criminal by the movie studios who profit from my participation in this hobby. But the failure of the hardware (or software, if it could be an issue with PDVDU) to recognize the HDCP compliance of the products I've purchased that advertise that feature makes me feel justified in my purchase of AnyDVD-HD. That's an extra expense on my part, and I have no intention of using it to engage in piracy, but if someone from the studios suggested it's an inappropriate application, I'd have some choice words for him.

nownot

07-31-07, 11:30 PM

just ordered this card here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102152 hopefully it works out for me

pochoboy

08-01-07, 01:11 AM

Andy o

08-01-07, 02:38 AM

From what I gather it is possible to transfer HDMI signals via HDMI to DVI adaptor but you'll need to pass audio signals thru another connection. I'm wondering if something(hardware/software) is looking for the audio signal from the HDMI source for a "green" connection? meaning its a "no go" cause the hardware/software does not see the audio signal via the HDMI/DVI adaptor. Is this connection a two way street design, inwhere it looks for the audio/video source hardware on both ends of the connection?

edit: I'm wondering if this works on one HDTV/monitor and doesn't on another, could it be the 2400/2600 has a compatibility problem? Wonder if they could update the bios/software on these cards as they do on projectors? I remember updating my projector bio/software because of incapatability with certain dvd players if I remembered correctly.

Hmm I thought only players needed to be updated for because of compromised AACS keys, in order to work with new movies. I didn't know monitors too, are you sure you updated your projector's software (firmware?) because of HDCP compatibility?

About your first comment, I don't know, but the generic DVI-HDMI adapter which does not pass audio also worked with the 2400 pro and my LCD 1080p TV via HDMI if I recall correctly.

pochoboy

08-01-07, 02:41 AM

no no no, my mistake, it was not an HDMI problem, it was my projector having sync prolbems with certain dvd players. I used it only as an example

sorry for the misunderstanding

Mark_A_W

08-01-07, 02:47 AM

Hmm, so nobody else except IAM4UK and me are having trouble with HDCP via a DVI connection? (I have had trouble with both a Sapphire 2400pro and HIS 2600pro).

My Sapphire HD2600XT GDDR4 works fine with my HDCP compliant HDMI input card, Powerdvd never complains, and the advisor gives me a Green for everything.

Andy o

08-01-07, 03:14 AM

My Sapphire HD2600XT GDDR4 works fine with my HDCP compliant HDMI input card, Powerdvd never complains, and the advisor gives me a Green for everything.

Yeah, I can also use a DVI-HDMI adapter to connect my HTPC to a HDMI HDTV, but it doesn't work with a DVI cable to a DVI monitor (which is HDCP enabled). The same DVI monitor does work with a Sapphire X1900GT, in the same HTPC that the 2400pro and 2600pro don't. So actually I, and I think also IAM4UK, are having trouble only with DVI-DVI connections, but not with DVI-HDMI, which makes this whole thing even more confusing and frustrating.

Furious

08-01-07, 03:34 AM

Regarding the custom resolutions bug with 1080i I alluded to earlier, the bug is due to CCC setting the refresh rate to 29i or 60p when switching to 1080i30. This forces the "add" button to be greyed out. Over-ride the refresh rate to 30i in CCC and then the add button becomes accessible again. ATI will be addressing this in a future driver.

Andy o

08-01-07, 04:18 AM

no no no, my mistake, it was not an HDMI problem, it was my projector having sync prolbems with certain dvd players. I used it only as an example

sorry for the misunderstanding

Oh, I see what you meant, it could be the problem too.

mr emu

08-01-07, 05:32 AM

hi
heres my post from another forum

please heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp

i am slowly going insane

i have the 37 r87 and cannot get a proper displayed resolution via hdmi 2

vga connection is fine, i have now tried 3 different graphics cards and 3 different leads

everytime the outcome is the same i get a max res of 1360 by 768 but only an interlaced 30 hrz resolution option

if i try to force the display to a higher resolution in ati cat manager it reverts back to 800 by 600

tried windows xp windows vista, ati card nvidia card,onboard graphics, dvi to hdmi adapter, dvi to hdmi lead

obviously 30 hrz res looks terrible but even when i drop the res down to say something like 1024 and run at 60 hrz the display still doesnt look right

i am beginning to wonder if i have a faulty tv

maybe somebody else with a 37 inch r87/r88 has managed to get the resolution running correctly via hdmi?

what does seem a bit strange is i had the same problem with a 32 inch model as well

sold a htpc to a mate and he had just purchased a new 32 inch version and as soon as well plugged the pc in

the image looked the same as what i get now

we downloaded the new drivers and did a fresh install and this sorted it

tried the same thing on mine and its made no difference
hi

would anybody in the states mind purchasing the proper ati adapter and posting it to me in the uk

as its impossible to find in the uk :mad:

Magsy

08-01-07, 06:19 AM

Hmm, so nobody else except IAM4UK and me are having trouble with HDCP via a DVI connection? (I have had trouble with both a Sapphire 2400pro and HIS 2600pro).

I have a problem too but have not investigated it yet. It shows as no HDCP with a Sapphire 2400 Pro and a HP W2207 monitor using a stock 2 meter DVI cable.

one_2go

08-01-07, 06:53 AM

kschmit2

08-01-07, 08:07 AM

I have a problem too but have not investigated it yet. It shows as no HDCP with a Sapphire 2400 Pro and a HP W2207 monitor using a stock 2 meter DVI cable.

ATI cards are notorious for not providing enough power on the DVI/HDMI ports to ensure proper HDCP handshake.

If your display is also broderline on the receiving end, that will lead to problems.

Andy o

08-01-07, 08:19 AM

Just a funny anecdote to all the guys that have HDCP problems whether perceived or real. Remember if was just this type of nuisance with HDCP that caused Muslix64 to go on his pursuit of playing back content protected material from his HD and the rest is history.

As many will agree the problem is with the content providers. IIRC a German company produced a box that when plugged into the video chain stripped the protection but since then disappeared and I believe the product migrated to the far east.

In no way do I advocate these type of approaches, but it looks like a very attractive solution for those of us that paid for the discs and have a hell of a time getting decent playback what we paid for.
Actually, I do advocate it and encourage it. But just don't pirate, I'll trust you people.

ATI cards are notorious for not providing enough power on the DVI/HDMI ports to ensure proper HDCP handshake.

If your display is also broderline on the receiving end, that will lead to problems.
Do you have more info on this? I've never heard of anything like this. Is there any workaround?

IAM4UK

08-01-07, 09:41 AM

"Not providing enough power [for] HDCP handshake"??? That's something I'd never imagine. What does it mean, and what can be done? I'd go back to nvidia cards, but for their lack of support for XP. (That is, their drivers do not allow HD codec offload from the CPU--the sole reason for getting their new 8500 or 8600 cards--except in Vista.)

Andy o

08-01-07, 09:42 AM

To those having skipping HDMI sound:

I got the same thing, after swapping my card with a X1900GT. I uninstalled drivers, swapped cards, installed Catalyst 7.7 again (for the x1900) did my testing, forgot to uninstall the X1900 drivers, and put the 2600 pro back. I then uninstalled Catalyst 7.7 and reinstalled it for the 2600 pro. When I tested HDMI audio again it was skipping, every 10 seconds I would get a gap, but only through one of the DVI outputs of the card.

Uninstalled, installed 7.6 hotfix. Now I got a gap every second! Not good. Uninstalled, installed 7.7 again. 10 seconds-gap again.

When I connected the cable to the other DVI output, the underscan option was reset, and the audio was OK. So I figured that if I just reset the options for the other output too, it was gonna be OK.

Uninstalled the driver, went into regedit, and deleted the DXVA keys in the UVD key in both the 0000 and 0001 keys. Then rebooted and installed the driver. Everything was reset to default and I got good sound. You can probably do it differently, it didn't occur to me to try first the "reset all to default" option in the CCC, or just look for one string screwing the sound, it's just easier to delete the whole key! It's gonna be installed again anyway.

Andy o

08-01-07, 09:52 AM

IAM4UK, you said you were having trouble navigating DVE with AnyDVD enabled, right? Did you try not disabling AnyDVD, but only disabling some options, like unchecking "disable user prohibited operations" and such? It seems to me more probable that those options screw the interface, more than AACS and HDCP, since those only work with the video stream.

Also, does DVE have AACS and HDCP? I guess they too are worried about people copying their discs?

By the way, those Anydvd folks are quick. Just about 24 hours after the 6.6.1.6 update which I was having trouble with in Vista, they fixed it. 6.6.1.7 is out now, and flawless.

digitlman

08-01-07, 12:49 PM

I am confused on adding the registry fixes. i searched my registry and didnt find any of those suggested registry changes in my registry at all? are they changes or are they new entries that need to be added? if so then i need to know exactly where they go in XP, or can you make a .reg file to edit/add with?

thanks

arfster

08-01-07, 01:33 PM

wrat

08-01-07, 01:36 PM

arrrgggg....I bought this visiontek card because my evga 8500gt would not allow me to boot into windows with the dvi connected BUT all my videos,hdtv (with hvr1600),dvds everything video worked..Now I can boot the pc with the 2400pro connected but my hdtv stuff is stuttering,dvds look crappy (when they play) media player now refuses to play any dvd...Ive applied the reg hacks that are earlier in the thread they didnt seem to do much if anything...any other ideas??

pc specs
c2d 6320
asus p5b-vm
gig mem
haup hvr 1600
using nvidia pure video decoder in mce 2005 with all updates
HELP!! please

Deception666

08-01-07, 01:40 PM

The HD 2600 XT is the card I am wanting to go with for my HTPC, but the one problem I am having is finding the board. I would really just like to have the reference board from ATI, but I have not been able to find a website that is selling it. I cannot even find it for sale on ATI's website. Any suggestions on where to pick it up.

Thanks.

Rembrandt1

08-01-07, 02:17 PM

ATI is doing a massive recall on the 2400 and 2600 cards. It does not affect all of them. Just mine and probably yours.

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070801PD209.html

arfster

08-01-07, 02:18 PM

Duh. No wonder so many random incomprehensible bugs were appearing in these threads.

indieke2

08-01-07, 02:47 PM

Duh. No wonder so many random incomprehensible bugs were appearing in these threads.

Ye, but ,when is your card defective, and when is it software related?

Sarvatt

08-01-07, 02:56 PM

Too funny, and it is over a bad bios flash afterall :D Anyone mind posting their bios version so we can compare? If you can post a dump that'd be even better, would be nice to compare a working card to a defective card's bios. I can post the bios on my working HD2400 pro later tonight if anyone wants to try flashing that to see if it fixes things, that page seems to imply that reflashing it to a different bios will fix it. I wonder if this news post has any relevance to our cards neededing the DXVA_NOHDDECODE thats not there by default, gotta pop the heatsink off mine to see which revision I have.

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-3003-view-RV610-without-UVD-support.html

Also, it sounds like the HDCP problems are only applying to DVI-DVI connections from posts here? Does anyone have HDCP working over a DVI-DVI link?

IAM4UK

08-01-07, 03:09 PM

IAM4UK, you said you were having trouble navigating DVE with AnyDVD enabled, right? Did you try not disabling AnyDVD, but only disabling some options, like unchecking "disable user prohibited operations" and such?
Yes, I have trouble with DVE-HD navigation while AnyDVD is enabled, and DVE-HD won't play when AnyDVD is fully disabled, due to HDCP. I have not tried tweaking the AnyHD settings, but will. That's a good idea.

pochoboy

08-01-07, 03:29 PM

Can't they be more specific as to where on the video card do I find the bad revision #'s ???

geez, what a bummers, they had better pay for the shipping to and fro!

SAFOOL

08-01-07, 03:35 PM

So how do you know if you have a bad card? i have the 2600xt but dont have hd content to test it out. :eek:

RogueWarrior

08-01-07, 03:59 PM

Is the 2600 in the recall? If so like others here have stated - how do you know what revision you have - does RivaTuner display this somewhere?

Sarvatt

08-01-07, 04:09 PM

Well Sapphire has confirmed mine is defective and is sending out a new card today, pretty impressed with the tech support as it took less than 20 minutes to work it all out.

arfster

08-01-07, 04:32 PM

Hrrrm, so it was only 2400 models? That makes some sense tbh.

autoboy70

08-01-07, 04:38 PM

Well Sapphire has confirmed mine is defective and is sending out a new card today, pretty impressed with the tech support as it took less than 20 minutes to work it all out.

Hmm, do you have the 2400pro from saphire? I wonder if mine is bad too. Seems to work ok. I'm just waiting for .mkv support which still does not work for me.

billqs

08-01-07, 04:51 PM

Well Sapphire has confirmed mine is defective and is sending out a new card today, pretty impressed with the tech support as it took less than 20 minutes to work it all out.

That's funny... I emailed Sapphire Customer Support today and they said there were no 2400 cards being recalled... Just shows how mileage may vary....

Magsy

08-01-07, 05:14 PM

Hmm, do you have the 2400pro from saphire? I wonder if mine is bad too. Seems to work ok. I'm just waiting for .mkv support which still does not work for me.

You should have mkv support already? I am playing 720p mkv fine in vmc with the PowerDVD codec using a Sapphire 2400pro.

Sarvatt

08-01-07, 05:15 PM

Well the main reason I put in a ticket was because of the odd 20 pixel vertical color banding at 1360x768 or 1366x768 over vga with both OSes and any monitor I've tried it on, I just added all the mpeg2 problems and mentioned the recall on the ticket but they didn't respond to those specifically. I put in a ticket with ATI about how I'm not getting the advertised features regarding DXVA MPEG2 acceleration and showed how the DXVA_NOHDDECODE string unlocks the HD resolutions so we'll see what they say about that, maybe noone has brought it up with them yet or something :)

Here's my bios info if anyone wants to compare-
BIOS Version 010.051.000.002
BIOS Part Number 113-B16905-X04
BIOS Date 2007/05/17
rv610 a14 GPU core

one_2go

08-01-07, 06:19 PM

This is far more worrying then the BIOS flashing. From http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070731PD217.html

AMD rumored to ship UVD-disabled Radeon HD 2400 for emerging markets

Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES (Wednesday 1 August 2007)

There are rumors in the graphics card market that AMD released a UVD- (Unified Video Decoder-) disabled version of its Radeon HD 2400 chip for sale in emerging markets, according to market sources.

AMD originally planned an official release of its Radeon HD 2400 graphics chip with version A13, but an UVD (Unified Video Decoder) error in that particular rendition was discovered, causing release of the chip to be delayed until June of this year. Currently, Radeon HD 2400 graphics cards sold by OEMs and in the channel use the revised A14 and A15 versions of the graphics chip, noted the sources.

AMD disabled the UVD function of the A13 version chips and sent them to some OEM graphics card makers for launch in emerging markets, noted the sources.

Some graphics card makers stated that if the UVD-disabled graphics cards do not have any problems beside lacking UVD function, then AMD's action will benefit emerging markets by meeting demand. However, other graphics card makers think the company's action will damage the company's brand image and shipments.

AMD responded in saying that both of its Radeon HD 2400 and 2600 graphics cards have built-in UVD function, but that it could not comment on the shipment details of its partners.

Andy o

08-01-07, 06:46 PM

Also, it sounds like the HDCP problems are only applying to DVI-DVI connections from posts here? Does anyone have HDCP working over a DVI-DVI link?

Yes, it seems to be this way, can anyone confirm if they're using HDCP content over DVI-DVI?

Also, do they say anywhere which specific problems do the defective cards have? If it's just UVD not working, then I don't think many of us have the defective ones. Acceleration has worked for me with the 2400pro (though with horrible artifacts in HD-DVD) and in the 2600 pro it's flawless, but the HDCP thing is really annoying. People are having all kinds of trouble, so how would we know if our card is defective? Anyone got more info?

Craigger

08-01-07, 09:57 PM

ATI is doing a massive recall on the 2400 and 2600 cards. It does not affect all of them. Just mine and probably yours.

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070801PD209.html

This is very interesting....When I was testing a Saphire Radeon 2400Pro in my HTPC it would lock up frequently and trigger the VPU Recover. It wasn't heat related, but I thought it might have been a software conflict. After hearing this I would put my money on defective hardware.

millerbrad

08-01-07, 11:18 PM

I couldn't find anything from searching the previous 800+ posts in this thread, so maybe it hasn't been asked.

It seems that I can only output 2-channel sound over HDMI with my Sapphire 2600XT. How do I enable 5.1 sound output?

In Vista's sound properties, my PC is unable to play the test tones for Dolby Digital or DTS. It sure would be nice to have 5.1 sound via HDMI so I can quit trying to figure out how to output sound via HDMI and SPDIF simultaneously (my TV has a Toslink-OUT, that I can use to relay sound from HDMI to my AV Receiver).

Sarvatt

08-01-07, 11:28 PM

Might want to make sure that your TV can actually pass audio from the HDMI source to the toslink output, most TV's (and every TV made after jan 1st 2007) only pass from the tuner to the optical out. The 1.68 ATI HDMI audio driver on this page is what I need for AC3 passthrough, only 2.0 PCM passes through with the stock vista HD Audio drivers for me.

http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3

DTS passthrough isn't working for me and a few other people, and looking at all the ATI product information pages they only officially advertise AC3 and PCM 2.0 over HDMI.

krasoft

08-01-07, 11:34 PM

I have had the sound interruption with my 2400 XT on HP MD5880N every second for milliseconds with 1920x1080p60.

At the beginning I bought Sapphire 2400 PRO but it appeared I have to use only the ATI DVI->HDMI adapter to pass sound. Unfortunately, discount code for this adapter on the ATI site doesn't work for Canada so it could cost me ~$23 with taxes and delivery so I decided to upgrade to Sapphire 2400 XT which is faster and comes with the adapter for almost the same price.

Well, I had the sound interruptions with 1920x1080p60 under CCC 7.5, 7.6, 7.7. There was no such interruption with 1920x1080i30, though.

This is how I fixed it:
In the CCC -> DTV (HDMI) -> HDTV Support, in the group "HDTV modes supported by this display" there are "Add 720p60, 1080i60, 1080p60" - I checked these items, switched to 1080i30, 1080p60 - ta-da! No more interruptions since then in any resolution.

Now I use "1080p60 optimized (1776x1000 @ 60)" - this gives me 1:1 pixel mapping with a small 1/2 inch underscan. I can't use Scaling Options in this mode (they are greyed) and anyway this Scaling makes the image on screen bigger but brakes 1:1 pixel mapping.

1920x1080p60 with maximum Scaling gives 1:1 pixel mapping but I get about 1/2 inch overscanned image so I prefer to use the described above. The 75 ... 120 Hz refresh rate doesn't fix the problem though.

Hope my fix can help you guys to fix your sound interruption thru HDMI.

krasoft

08-01-07, 11:56 PM

indieke2

08-02-07, 02:02 AM

Also, it sounds like the HDCP problems are only applying to DVI-DVI connections from posts here? Does anyone have HDCP working over a DVI-DVI link?

Yes, connected over my Ruby,that is working without any problem.

Andy o

08-02-07, 02:43 AM

Yes, connected over my Ruby,that is working without any problem.

Hi, thanks for your answer, could you tell us a more specific list of your hardware and software used to test, though, even the kind of cables and adapters used? I assume this is with your 2400 XT? And you're not using AnyDVD, right? It's very easy to have it enabled and just forget about it.

Thanks.

indieke2

08-02-07, 05:57 AM

Hi, thanks for your answer, could you tell us a more specific list of your hardware and software used to test, though, even the kind of cables and adapters used? I assume this is with your 2400 XT? And you're not using AnyDVD, right? It's very easy to have it enabled and just forget about it.

Thanks.

Well just Powerdvd Ultra, without the latest patch (but worked with every version)
Every driver tried, although encountering problems, the HDCP always worked.

I am under XP, 2400 Pro Sapphire.Assus Mb M 2 Motherboard, Athlon x 2 4200 +.

Andy o

08-02-07, 06:19 AM

Well just Powerdvd Ultra, without the latest patch (but worked with every version)
Every driver tried, although encountering problems, the HDCP always worked.

I am under XP, 2400 Pro Sapphire.Assus Mb M 2 Motherboard, Athlon x 2 4200 +.

Aahrg! the plot thickens, then. Still wondering what exactly is wrong with the defective ATI cards.

Anyone else can successfully play HDCP content through DVI-D to DVI-D connection (without involving HDMI or analog at all), like on most PC monitors?

Andy o

08-02-07, 07:47 AM

Anyone having trouble with the 7.8 beta in Vista? It seems mine:

1) Broke HDMI sound again, getting gaps even though I cleaned up the registry as I stated in a previous post.

2) Broke PowerDVD 7.3 full-screen 1080p playback. It is similar to the sortoverride thing before, but the black bars are only on the sides, and the picture gets squished vertically. Also different is that this is only in full-screen, but in windowed mode I can enlarge the picture as much as I want without distortion. There is no sortoverride setting in the registry to delete now.

3) When uninstalling the driver, my monitor just turns off and never turns on again, having to restart the PC, and resume uninstalling.

This is on Vista x86, HIS 2600 pro.

digitlman

08-02-07, 10:16 AM

digitlman: they only exist with the 2400 models, the install app doesn't create them for the 2600.

A reg file doesn't help, because each machine has a unique address within the registry. However, all the settings are always under...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video

From there look for the one that has subfolders named UMD\DXVA.

im off work today and working on it this morning. i'm in XP and go in there and there is a UMD/DXVA folder anywhere. i have 6 different dirs in there and several of them have ati ccc related stuff inside them.

i tried the first one and put your entries into the 0000 root folder along with the 50 or so other ones that are there already. i dont seem to see any difference in anything.

gbcrush

08-02-07, 11:32 AM

Well. Finally got the HTPC up and running last night with VMC configured. Great! But two issues:

One, I noticed with a recent DVD (Absolute Garbage, Music Videos, double MPAA/RIAA paranoia) that it forced my resolution to 720x480 over an DVI to HDMI cable. It didn't do this for other DVDs I tried running such as Robin Hood (BBC) or Babylon 5. I've got that Asus 2600 pro someone else was complaining about--Is this broken HDCP / copy protection doing its work?

Not sure what an HDCP requriement would be doing on an SD DVD though, so maybe its something else. Still is HDCP broken across the board in this card? I'm definately considerign a replacement.

Which brings me to issue #2.

Newegg now has a silent 2600pro from MSI looks good. System temps are around 40C right now so I should be able to give silent piping a try, right? Plus free HDMI adapter! :D But do I want to go with another 2x00 card?

I really want to, I really would like HDMI audio out of the card. But I noticed last night some of those posterization issues *grumps* on Star Trek, even. The solid color uniforms movign across different lighting make a great test, and unfortunately, it's kind of noticible.

I had unchecked Color vibrance and the other option under advanced color in CCC but it still happened. Thoughts?

arfster

08-02-07, 12:20 PM

im off work today and working on it this morning. i'm in XP and go in there and there is a UMD/DXVA folder anywhere. i have 6 different dirs in there and several of them have ati ccc related stuff inside them.

Ahh, sorry, thought you were talking Vista - the XP ones have the keys in the main directory. To find out which directory is yours, just fiddle a few CCC settings and see which section changes. 0000 and 0001 are the two connectors btw.

arfster

08-02-07, 12:22 PM

I had unchecked Color vibrance and the other option under advanced color in CCC but it still happened. Thoughts?

Did you set the default to zero in the registry? If not it seems to return to the default when you disable it in CCC (ie 25 for the 2600, but zero for the 2400).

gbcrush

08-02-07, 12:40 PM

Did you set the default to zero in the registry? If not it seems to return to the default when you disable it in CCC (ie 25 for the 2600, but zero for the 2400).

Oh geeze. I thought I read something like that earlier, but didn't think they'd be so stupid as to. Argh. But yeah, then again, they decided that somehow, by default, they should send a 1080p signal with a tremendous ammount of overscan correction. wtf.

No, I'll turn it off on the registry tonight. Not like I'm returning the card today anyway (gotta find a suitable replacement that will fit my motherboard and have it shipped). Really don't want to have to though...can't imagine having to edit it every time I update drivers, etc.

What about enabling it, and yanking the sliders all the way down? Or does that not zero the level?

arfster

08-02-07, 12:43 PM

What about enabling it, and yanking the sliders all the way down? Or does that not zero the level?

Minimum is 1 :D

ps you have to reboot for new settings to take hold, then just hit default and it goes to zero.

Andy o

08-02-07, 12:57 PM

This thing never ends...

Now with the 7.8 beta drivers I have found one more issue, aside from the ones I mentioned earlier. Admittedly, this is a beta, and if it was indeed worked on in parallel to 7.7, then it might not be much of a backward step, but still.

When playing with PowerDVD 7.3.3104, and connected to the internets via LAN (to my router) the video doesn't play and PDVD just hangs! This is similar to my problem I was having way earlier, with the 2400 pro and 7.6 drivers, except in that case it just took very long to play, it didn't just hang. I don't remember if it happened too with the hotfix, but by 7.7 it was already fixed. This is repeatable, and every time I disconnect my LAN cable, I can play the video OK (albeit with the other problems, like no HDCP compliance and squishing of the image with slight black vertical bars on the sides).

And of course, no HDCP fix! I don't know if they can fix this with drivers or what. Back to 7.7 it is.

Also, any other, more specific news on the recall? That article is so vague that the only apparent fault is no UVD, but since most of us are getting UVD but have other troubles, how would we know if our card is defective.

topcaser

08-02-07, 03:04 PM

Hi,

bought two cards: Sapphire 2600 XT and 2400 XT. I have installed 2600 XT first, but this card is very loud. I installed the 2400 XT then. Now i can not install the catalyst SW anymore: Card is not supported:-( I searched the web and found this forum. arfster wrote to patch the setup file. I have done this. Nevertheless: No installation possible. I am very confused....

Installed the driver manually but dont get catalyst to run.

Furthermore SD is even worsest with both ATI cards (bad and dark colors and to much sharpness) in comparison to my onBoard GeForce 6150. I have read from Registry tweaks but dont know exactly where to write them. Another user has written a "find" tool. Is it possible to adjust the settings correctly?

Sorry if this questions are asked before but it is a monster thread

Sarvatt

08-02-07, 05:10 PM

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070801PD218.html
At an AMD organized event to promote its ATI Radeon HD 2000-series graphics products in Taiwan, the GPU maker reiterated that the recently discovered issue which has lead to defective Radeon 2600 and 2400 graphics cards shipping to channels was under control, and that a recall request was not needed.

AMD emphasized that the problem is not industry wide and that the company had issued a software fix to solve the problem already. AMD pointed out that none of its partners had requested that it recall or replace the actual graphics chips used in the affected cards.

AMD's statements that the issue can be solved by updating the BIOS of the affected cards were confirmed by sources at the card makers. However, some expressed irritation that the issue had surfaced at all as they had already introduced the cards to the market and were now facing disruption in their supply channels due to the bug.

Now does anyone mind posting their bios versions? :D

pochoboy

08-02-07, 05:18 PM

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070801PD218.html

Now does anyone mind posting their bios versions? :D

Where or where is the bios info located on the card? I'm still waiting for my processor to arrive in a week or two and I got time to return this card that I recently purchased from NewEgg.

Sarvatt

08-02-07, 05:23 PM

it's in the information section in catalyst control center, can't find it on the card itself :(

Munkee Boy

08-02-07, 05:33 PM

pochoboy

08-02-07, 05:36 PM

This is so unbelievable. ATI/AMD states theres defect chips out here, now how are we the consumers to know which boards have the defective chips? They claim a software/bios fix, but for a bios fix it requires the board maker to flash/replace the chip. Software fix?, is that software fix for the board manufacturers to use to check for defective cards thats coming off the assembly line?

Geez, with all the problems that the early adopters are having wouldn't it be wise for these end-users to initialize a claim for a return/replacement board due to a bad chip?

edit: Has anyone contacted ASUS, Gigabyte, Sapphire, HIS, etc. about ATI/AMD's acknowledgement of bad chip being distributed and would like a replacement card shipped out?

edit #2: I'm going to be at a loss here as I don't have a digital TV/monitor to see if I got a bad chip/chip bios now or in the near future.

magnusr

08-02-07, 06:52 PM

PowerColor 2600XT 256MB GDDR4:

BIOS Version 010.052.000.000
BIOS Part Number 113-B10101-102
BIOS Date 2007/05/15

Guess thats old?

autoboy70

08-02-07, 07:10 PM

Anyone know if the MSI passive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127300&Tpk=msi%2b2600pro) 2600pro will fit in an Antec NSK2400? I'm worried the heatpipe sticks up too high.

arfster

08-02-07, 07:47 PM

Sapphire 2600XT GDDR3:

BIOS Version 010.051.000.001
BIOS Part Number 11X-1E4200SA-002
BIOS Date 2007/06/27

Andy o

08-02-07, 07:55 PM

Graphics Card Manufacturer Powered by ATI
Graphics Chipset ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO
Device ID 9589
Vendor 1002

Subsystem ID 2002
Subsystem Vendor ID 17AF

BIOS Version 010.056.000.001
BIOS Part Number 123-SG2H03-00R
BIOS Date 2007/06/18

Munkee Boy

08-02-07, 09:21 PM

Anyone know if the MSI passive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127300&Tpk=msi%2b2600pro) 2600pro will fit in an Antec NSK2400? I'm worried the heatpipe sticks up too high.

I highly doubt it would fit. I have a full height sound card that extends a bit past the mounting bracket as this one does, and the top cover basically touches it. There's no way it will fit with that heat pipe added in.

arfster

08-02-07, 09:33 PM

Thought others might be interested in this summary of the 2400pro/2600xt's deinterlacing behaviour I sent to ATI support:

Sapphire 2400pro: In XP, with SD and HD, it works perfectly - ie auto in CCC results in vector-adaptive being used, and any other selection you make in CCC is obeyed. In Vista with SD material it also works perfectly, but with HD you never get vector-adaptive whatever you select, you just get some low quality mode - I don't think it's even bob as it looks worse than that, like some error in the deinterlacing, and the id string is {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}, not one of the regular ATI deinterlacing strings. There are plenty others reporting the same thing on avsforum, and it works fine in XP, so it doesn't seem like a card fault.

Sapphire 2600xt: SD is fine again, and Vista mpeg2 1080i works perfectly. H264 interlaced will obey your CCC deinterlacing setting - however, selecting auto results in bob being used.

With regards to the 2600XT, it's looking good. It seems that in Vista+7.7 the 2600XT doesn't need dxva_nohddecode added to the registry at all. MPEG2 acceleration works in directshow with no reg changes needed, and for BD also (the 2400pro wouldn't accelerate BD mpeg2 regardless of what you did). In fact, the default registry settings look good, other than the need to set fleshtone/colour defaults to zero in registry (normal default is 25, even when disabled!).

On top of that, you never need to worry about hardware capability. I played some 40mbit interlaced mpeg2 with Aero on, in VMR9, with fleshstone/colour correction, and cloned it to a second display. Never got above 60% GPU, and didn't drop a frame.

Now, they just need to fix the HD levels thing and we're sorted....

SAFOOL

08-02-07, 09:58 PM

2600xt
BIOS Version 010.051.000.001
BIOS Part Number 11X-1E4200SA-002
BIOS Date 2007/06/27

Sarvatt

08-02-07, 10:09 PM

Just looking over ATI's flashing program changelog and they fixed the RV610 flashing issue in 3.39 it looks like, the latest 3.41 has a release date of 6/13.

[3.41]
- fix Ry6xx SST support

[3.40]
- fix RV610 + Rialto hang issue

[3.39]
- fix RV610 write issue

[3.38]
- Add Quito support

[3.35]
- resolved -i/-ai corruption issue

[3.34]
- -ai now displays full PCI ID information
- ATMEL flash procedurce redesigned for stability/reduced overall flash time
- -ai -scansii combination will report SST/ATMEL firmware revision

[3.33]
- internal release

[3.32]

-add flashing over 128KB

[3.31]

-resolved pak issues with SST/ATMEL

[3.30]

-update device ID support for RV630/M76 & 0x000 for Ry6xx

[3.29]

-add new option -pak to build flash package

[3.28] 11/02/06

I dumped my bios and uploaded it here (http://www.mvktech.net/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,selectfolder/cat,13/orderby,4/), should be up in the next few days. There is a Powercolor 2600XT bios up thats newer than what someone posted here but I opened it up in RaBIT 2.2.1 and its a GDDR3 one so it's of no use :( Really hoping to come across someone with my same Sapphire HD2400 Pro (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102100) or any 2400 pro really with a newer bios that'd be willing to dump it. ATITool .27beta2 and ATIFlash have no problems dumping it if anyone needs a program to do it.

Edit: It's good to see you sent that report arfster, BOTH times I've put in tickets with ati they have said there hasn't been any other reports of problems and the final answer they gave me was user error. :mad: at least I can come back and point to this thread when they say that this time :D

Peekstra

08-03-07, 03:19 AM

I'd also love to try an updated Sapphire 2400 Pro BIOS. The current version is dated 05/17/07

When I connect my Panasonic AE700 to the DVI output, all bright pixels have a continuous glitching problem. It's really unusable without a fix. So maybe a BIOS update will help...?

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 04:35 AM

dvbnick

08-03-07, 05:28 AM

karrih

08-03-07, 05:38 AM

MSI RX2400PRO 256MB

BIOS-Version 010.055.000.000
BIOS-Teilnummer 113-AAxxxxx-100
BIOS-Datum 2007/06/12

DXVA not working (SD & HD), MPEG2 SD with glitching problems (Vista Ultimate, latest PowerDVD)
:-((

Same card, same bios, same problems...

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 05:47 AM

Would you mind posting the bios dump? That card uses the same hynix 2.5ns ram so I'll test it out on my Sapphire and see if there is mpeg2 SD problems on my card as well. DXVA isn't going to work on any 2400 with current drivers without the DXVA_NOHDDECODE=0 string in the registry it looks like. To get the dump in windows install ATITool .27beta2 and there should be a dump bios to file option in the last drop down menu in settings.

http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/ATITool_0.27b2.exe

M007

08-03-07, 07:15 AM

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 07:39 AM

Nice!! Thanks for the heads up :) there's also one for the 2400 pro, TV110MS.RV610.update.exe

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=130&prod_no=1248

haven't been able to extract it from the flashing program though

wrat

08-03-07, 07:51 AM

I just cant believe how poorly this card (2400pro) worked for me even after trying the registry hacks. with the bios and supposed recall whatever I just wonder if it was a truly defective card or if for my system it was just not going to work. it was not working properly thats for sure, when viewing any tv hd or analog cpu usage was at 50-60% and was totally not watchable and I had a host of other problems
attemping to play a dvd in wmp gave a digital copy protection error,with media center it just refused to play, with the latest edition of pdvd at first it worked then for some unknown reason I got an error saying my display is a hdmi repeater and playback of hdvd and bluray is not allowed this was on a REGULAR dvd. now switching back to an 8500gt cpu usage with hdtv or analog tv is 20-25% media center and wmp play dvds, havent gotten around to reinstalling pdvd so that could be interesting..BUT another interesting thing was when pdvd did work with the 2400pro I got 5.1 surround WITH the hdmi connection..now if I could figure out why I cant boot the pc with 8500gt connected all would be good the 2400pro DID NOT have this problem..still wonder if the 2600hd would be any better..what is anybody thoughts ??

Andy o

08-03-07, 08:06 AM

Nice!! Thanks for the heads up, no need to dump the old bioses as this one will do :) there's also one for the 2400 pro, TV110MS.RV610.update.exe

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=130&prod_no=1248

haven't been able to extract it from the flashing program though

Yep, same here for the 2600 pro. Is there a reason you edited out your reference to the ATI mobility Radeon 9600? I get this in the ATIWinflash.cfg file:
;path can be absolute or relative
PATH_TYPE=absolute
AUTOPGM=0
;BIOS_NAME=r480.rom
OEM_VBIOS_VERSION=008.011.029.022
GRAPHICS_MARKETING_NAME=ATI_MOBILITY_RADEON_9600
OEM=0

And when I click on the installer I get a message window titled "ATIWinflash" and the message SSID mismatched.

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 08:13 AM

I edited it out because I saw that ATI winflash embeds all the REAL files into the exe when they create the update, all those other files aren't used :D

Andy o

08-03-07, 08:22 AM

I edited it out because I saw that ATI winflash embeds all the REAL files into the exe when they create the update, all those other files aren't used :D

Hmm sorry if I'm being a little obtuse here, but when I delete all the other files from the folder, I get another type of message windows. It has the title "Error" and it says "Resource files missing".

So I take it you're saying that these are only installable on MSI cards, right?

krasoft

08-03-07, 08:54 AM

Sapphire HD 2400 XT 256MB DDR3 700/700:

Graphics Chipset: ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT
Device ID: 94C1
Vendor: 1002
Subsystem ID: E390
Subsystem Vendor ID: 174B
Bus Type: PCI Express
BIOS Version: 010.048.000.001
BIOS Part Number: 11x-1E3902SA-01
BIOS Date: 2007/06/25

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 09:17 AM

krasoft

08-03-07, 09:30 AM

Anyone having trouble with the 7.8 beta in Vista? It seems mine:
1) Broke HDMI sound again, getting gaps even though I cleaned up the registry as I stated in a previous post.
This is on Vista x86, HIS 2600 pro.
On Sapphire HD 2400 XT I have HDMI sound interruptions in the both 7.7 and 7.8b with 1920x1080p60 (every ~second for 7.7 and every ~8 seconds under 7.8b).

Under XP x86 enabling HDTV "Add 1080p60" and switching back to 1920x1080p60 fixes this issue for me.

Under Vista x86 the XP trick doesn't work. But simple switching to 1920x1080i30 eliminates this sound issue though. Note, enabling HDTV "Add 1080i30" breaks 1920x1080i30 mode as well which is totally opposite behavior comparing to XP when enabling the related item fixed the issue.

Andy o

08-03-07, 09:47 AM

Sorry, not too good at explaining it :D The installer there is based on ATI Winflash (http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/594a/winflash125.zip), and one of the command line options for the actual winflash program is this-

-pak <File> Package an executable for BIOS update according to
the commands in <File>.
Config file example:
outfile = update.exe
banner = "Update v1.0"
infile = a123.bin
command = -pa infile

Basically they package their own cfg file and bios directly into the exe so it automates the flash process. I managed to hex the bios out of the exe there but it is for RV410 and a really old bios.. I must be missing something :D

113-AA48910-102
RV410 PCI_EXPRESS DDR1
Actually that's pretty much what I got from your other post, that the .exe contains all the files needed, but what I was pointing out is that if I deleted the other extra files from the folder, when I ran the exe I got a completely different error message, telling me that I was missing files or something, so those "extra" files should have been doing something.

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 09:56 AM

Well darn, the TV099MS.RV630.update for the 2600XT also has the RV410 bios embedded in the exe, the actual update must be compressed or encrypted in there somewhere, or only only flashes a patch to the current bios to update it. :( If anyone would be willing to post a dump of a MSI RX2400PRO-TD256EH or any other 2400 pro it'd be much appreciated :) This program is actually alot easier to dump a bios with, dont have to install anything for it or boot into dos. Just pick the card and hit save :D

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/594/Winflash_1.25.html

Actually that's pretty much what I got from your other post, that the .exe contains all the files needed, but what I was pointing out is that if I deleted the other extra files from the folder, when I ran the exe I got a completely different error message, telling me that I was missing files or something, so those "extra" files should have been doing something.

Yeah I was mistaken in that it does need the other files there to run, but the .cfg file isn't used as its the same .cfg file packaged in the generic ati winflash program..

IAM4UK

08-03-07, 10:00 AM

Got my HIS 2600Pro yesterday; it's worse than the ASUS. Not HDCP-compliant, among other problems. This is getting old.

On the plus side, NewEgg is the finest mail-order company I've ever dealt with.

kschmit2

08-03-07, 10:02 AM

PowerColor 2600XT 256MB GDDR4:

BIOS Version 010.052.000.000
BIOS Part Number 113-B10101-102
BIOS Date 2007/05/15

Guess thats old?

That's exactly the same BIOS I have in my Sapphire 2600XT 256MB GDDR4 card

brotbuexe

08-03-07, 10:15 AM

MSI RX2600XT T2D512EZ passive

Graphics Card Manufacturer Powered by ATI
Graphics Chipset ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT
Device ID 9588
Vendor 1002

Subsystem ID 0990
Subsystem Vendor ID 1462

Bus Type PCI Express
Current Bus Setting PCI Express x16

BIOS Version 010.053.000.003
BIOS Part Number 113-AB21100-100
BIOS Date 2007/06/29

Memory Size 512 MB
Memory Type DDR3

Core Clock in MHz 800 MHz
Memory Clock in MHz 700 MHz

Primary Display Yes

No HDMI tested yet, mkv 20fps problems, mpeg2 running fine only when mpc in fullscreen (but thats no problem :), no working hddvd (stutter, picture failures), 1of10 video loads ends with system hang. all under vista 32bit with v7.7 and powerdvd 2911 or 3104a

gpu/cpu load screenshots at brotbuexe.de/pics/ati

karrih

08-03-07, 10:35 AM

Same card, same bios, same problems...

But not anymore. I got a new BIOS from MSI support and at least ugly display artefacts are gone. Have to test more. Version is the same even though rest of the identifiers are different, and this might explain why fancy MSI Live Update didn't offer this BIOS when I used it to scan for updates.

BIOS Version 010.055.000.000
BIOS Part Number 113-AB21306-100
BIOS Date 2007/07/19

Andy o

08-03-07, 10:38 AM

Got my HIS 2600Pro yesterday; it's worse than the ASUS. Not HDCP-compliant, among other problems. This is getting old.

On the plus side, NewEgg is the finest mail-order company I've ever dealt with.

How is it worse than the Asus apart from the HDCP thing? That's I think the only problem I am having with the card itself, the others are pretty much driver issues.

Andy o

08-03-07, 10:41 AM

But not anymore. I got a new BIOS from MSI support and at least ugly display artefacts are gone. Have to test more. Version is the same even though rest of the identifiers are different, and this might explain why fancy MSI Live Update didn't offer this BIOS when I used it to scan for updates.

BIOS Version 010.055.000.000
BIOS Part Number 113-AB21306-100
BIOS Date 2007/07/19

Did you get the bios directly from them or just downloaded it from their page? If you just DL'd it, then probably it only works with MSI cards (I assume you have an MSI card).

arfster

08-03-07, 11:35 AM

mkv 20fps problems

That's a codec problem, nothing to do with your card. It happens on all cards that do total h264 offload, including the Nvidia 8500/8600.

Your other issues may be the card/bios though, as I have none of those with a Sapphire 2600XT, using Vista 3.2 and 7.7.

IAM4UK

08-03-07, 12:02 PM

How is it worse than the Asus apart from the HDCP thing? That's I think the only problem I am having with the card itself, the others are pretty much driver issues.
Got new errors in PDVDU with the HIS, including lock-up. Reverted to the ASUS for now; NewEgg is going to allow me to return both cards, but I'm still trying to determine which card I'll purchase as replacement. I have liked my previous nvidia cards; however, the ones that offload HD codecs processing don't have that key feature enabled in the XP drivers yet.

karrih

08-03-07, 12:26 PM

Did you get the bios directly from them or just downloaded it from their page? If you just DL'd it, then probably it only works with MSI cards (I assume you have an MSI card).

Got it from them, but it might well be the same as the one at their page. Yes, MSI card it is. Oh, MSI Live Update actually reports now the very same BIOS version, could it be that it was changed just today, because I checked it yesterday.

Andy o

08-03-07, 12:31 PM

Got new errors in PDVDU with the HIS, including lock-up. Reverted to the ASUS for now; NewEgg is going to allow me to return both cards, but I'm still trying to determine which card I'll purchase as replacement. I have liked my previous nvidia cards; however, the ones that offload HD codecs processing don't have that key feature enabled in the XP drivers yet.

Hmm maybe you should get the exact same card as someone who's not having trouble with HDCP over DVI-DVI, and hopefully it will work for you. It seems only a handful (three?) of us are having HDCP trouble, but I have had it with two different Radeon HD GPUs from different manufacturers in exactly the same way, and you too, so I am baffled and extremely annoyed. I already left a support ticket to ATI, but they gave me a canned response (and nowhere near the problem I was having), to which I had to answer then, for someone to actually read my question.

What a freaking waste of time. I hope someone answers properly and knowledgeably, but who knows. I should have known better after the debacle ATI's software and support has been for my HDTV Wonder.

Andy o

08-03-07, 12:35 PM

Got it from them, but it might well be the same as the one at their page. Yes, MSI card it is.

Would you mind uploading it so someone who also has the 2400XT can see if it works in other brands' cards? The one at their website seems to be corrupted or an old BIOS for an old GPU. I guess you can use yousendit or rapidshare or something.

Or how do you go about asking them for it, do they ask for serial numbers and such? Cause I'd like to try out the 2600 pro one, see if it fixes HDCP (not too hopeful, but whatever I can try...).

Thanks.

daffy951

08-03-07, 02:13 PM

Hello,
Been reading alot about ppl having problems getting hardware acceleration to work with their 2400 pro cards. My problem is another: I *do* get hardware acceleration (almost 0% cpu load, 0 dropped frames), but the video playback is choppy (don't know if that's the correct english word to describe it). Especially when the camera moves from one side to the other, the image "chops".. It doesn't pan smooth. I've only experienced this with .mkv samples found around the net played back in Media Player Classic. Playback of HDDVD in PowerDVD works nice with no problems detected so far.

I thought the reason for my problems could be bad source clips, so as an experiment I installed ffdshow and played the same troublesome clip on the cpu instead of the gpu, and got 20% cpu load. The video playback had a *much* smoother pan.

I'm using an Asus HD2400Pro 256Mb on a C2D E6850 with 2Gb ram.

I'm using Asus 8391 drivers.

Anyone had a similar problem? Any solutions? I have no problems reinstalling/testing/installing other os if you have any suggestions what I can try.

Thank you in advance for any help,
/D

Peekstra

08-03-07, 02:26 PM

Dang, we have the same bios then! How long ago did you buy it? Any chance you could upload your bios somewhere for comparison's sake? I don't have any glitching problems like you mention. If you bought it from newegg back when it first came out you have a 1 year RMA plan through them, they lowered it to 30 days recently though so you'd have to go through Sapphire. :( Sapphire ended up telling me to go through newegg for the RMA as it would take them 2-4 weeks most likely to get a card back to me, even if I offered to pay for another card until it's fixed. I plan on flashing the heck out of this card as it's going to be RMAed eventually and recovery is a piece of cake on these cards anyway if you have a PCI video card, so if I find a newer rv610 bios somewhere else for our gddr2 hynix chips I'll pass it along. Here's mine-

I just extracted my BIOS and compared it to yours.... it's bit-identical. :rolleyes:

I bought this card via postorder last week in the Netherlands and I can RMA it in the next 14 days. So still some time to try different BIOSes if they come along before then :)

Both the intergrated NV6150 and my ATI X550 give similar problems with the beamer but it always disappears within a minute. It certainly isn't related to the video decoding capabilities.

Maybe the DVI output quality of this 2400 board isn't that great?

arfster

08-03-07, 03:10 PM

Especially when the camera moves from one side to the other, the image "chops".. It doesn't pan smooth. I've only experienced this with .mkv samples found around the net ....

Look 5 posts before yours.....

There is no fix for this, it's a problem with haali or PDVD, not the card.

IAM4UK

08-03-07, 03:18 PM

I'm contemplating moving from XP MCE 2005 to Vista Home Premium, and using an nvidia 8600GTS. Goal remains HD-DVD and bD playback through PDVDU (and via the MCE interface if possible). Anyone think I'd be making a mistake?

protovision

08-03-07, 03:22 PM

...I *do* get hardware acceleration (almost 0% cpu load, 0 dropped frames), but the video playback is choppy (don't know if that's the correct english word to describe it). Especially when the camera moves from one side to the other, the image "chops".. It doesn't pan smooth.

Sounds like 'tearing' which looks like half of the screen is updated before the other half, and is very noticeable during panning shots.

From what I've read, the playback 'surface' or renderer can cause it to happen, and since different apps use different surfaces (overlay, VMR9, etc), you might see it one app, but not another.

Someone here can give better advice, but try different renderers in MPC, and look for advice regarding 'vsync' options.

EDIT: just saw the ref to .mkv and 20fps, weird, I think I get normal playback in MPC... will try tonight

p.

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 03:30 PM

It's strange you guys are getting the 20fps bug, thats one thing I have yet to see on this HD 2400 and I see it ALL the time on my other cards.. I either get full acceleration or a black screen now, almost everything works and I have probably 10,000 h264 MKV's on my HTPC (I likes me anime) :D

brotbuexe said..
I think you have a bad driver install there man, looking at your .txt you shouldn't have DXVA_Only24FPS1080H264 as that is only installed for 2400 series cards. DXVA_NOHDDECODE isn't needed on 2600 so definately delete that. You may want to test using graphedit connecting haali-cyberlink (with dxva on)-evr instead of playing through MPC, I noticed I get black screens more often with MPC's evr implementation than I do in WMP/VMC/Mediaportal/Graphedit. I also get 0 acceleration ever in MPC's EVR custom, and I settle for using coreavc outside of powerdvd and only getting (albeit perfect) h264 acceleration inside PowerDVD.

The one at their website seems to be corrupted or an old BIOS for an old GPU. I guess you can use yousendit or rapidshare or something.
I think the bios is encrypted or compressed in the .exe and they leave a generic default in there thats not used honestly, every video bios I see on the msi page has the same thing and I really don't know for sure how the file structure is inside the .exe. It's safe to run even if not though, wont let you flash if it's not the right card :D

I just extracted my BIOS and compared it to yours.... it's bit-identical.

Go figure the two of us are desperate for HD 2400 pro bioses and are willing to flash but we have identical ones :D One thing you might want to look into is the type of cable you are using. I had some horrible corruption at first using my DVI-D single link to HDMI cable but the problems went away completely when I switched to the ATI adapter and a real HDMI cable.

I'm contemplating moving from XP MCE 2005 to Vista Home Premium, and using an nvidia 8600GTS. Goal remains HD-DVD and bD playback through PDVDU (and via the MCE interface if possible). Anyone think I'd be making a mistake?

If Mpeg2 was your #1 priority and you can justify the extra expensive of the 8600gts then it's not a bad move in my opinion. Nvidia has all DXVA2 MPEG2 GUID's available right now in both NV12 and NV21 color spaces. I have no doubts ATI will have this fixed in the next few driver releases, 7.8 betas already have 2 more non standard MPEG2 DXVA2 GUID's available vs 7.7 so it shows they are working on it. If playing HD-DVD is your goal and you have no very major problems with the ATI I would stick with the ATI if your CPU isn't very fast, on a sempron 2800+ for instance there is an ~80% CPU usage difference between the 2 cards with VC-1 (The majority of HD-DVDs) as seen here
http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=1100&pageid=1445
HD-DVD and bluray isn't available inside the MCE interface with powerdvd though, but it does give you the options to launch powerdvd when a disk is inserted and I can exit that back to MCE gracefully with the remote with no problems. You can also use MyMovies and/or theatertek to play movies off the HDD fairly easily. I use mediaportal personally though :D I would recommend vista regardless of which you pick though!

SAFOOL

08-03-07, 03:30 PM

Is there anywhere to download Hi Def clips that would allow me to test my 2600xt for known issues before its to late to rma?

arfster

08-03-07, 03:47 PM

It's strange you guys are getting the 20fps bug, thats one thing I have yet to see on this HD 2400 and I see it ALL the time on my other cards

Are you finding any distinction between 720 and 1080 line files?

By the way, current thinking over at doom9 is that this isn't a mkv thing, it's a x264 encoding error that trips up the cyberlink decoder with the 2400/2600/8500/8600. If this error isn't in your particular encodes, and I guess that's quite possible with the bazillion builds of x264 out there each with a bazillion different encoding options, then it should accelerate fine.

Peekstra

08-03-07, 03:56 PM

Go figure the two of us are desperate for HD 2400 pro bioses and are willing to flash but we have identical ones :D One thing you might want to look into is the type of cable you are using. I had some horrible corruption at first using my DVI-D single link to HDMI cable but the problems went away completely when I switched to the ATI adapter and a real HDMI cable.

Thanks for the tip! I'll buy a seperate DVI-HDMI adapter + cable to replace my current DVI-HDMI cable. If that works I can concentrate on the acceleration issues. :)

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 04:07 PM

Are you finding any distinction between 720 and 1080 line files?

none, I have all of my HD-DVD's backed up to both 720p and 1080p versions for when I upgrade later and they are identical. Speaking of resolution distinction, the weird thing is I don't even get the level problem that you are getting after 719 vertical resolution. I encoded 2 30 second clips at 1280x720 and 960x540 to check it when you first posted about it (was on 7.6 hotfix drivers then) and the levels were the same, but I don't remember if I was using hardware acceleration at the time or not so that could be moot. I dont use DXVA for h264 outside of powerdvd as most of my stuff is subtitled anyway :D I remember ffdshow resize having a problem at one point about 1.5 years ago when the lines went past a certain number (I remember because I stopped using resize completely then), is there any chance at all it could be ffdshow resize messing with the levels or do you see it without using ffdshow at all?

Thanks for the tip! I'll buy a seperate DVI-HDMI adapter + cable to replace my current DVI-HDMI cable. If that works I can concentrate on the acceleration issues.

It could be a wild goose chase there, please don't get mad if it isn't the cable's fault and I hate to see you spend money on something you dont need because of my suggestion :D

cybrsage

08-03-07, 04:12 PM

I just purchased the VisionTek HD2600Pro 256MB AGP version. I will install it either late tonight or tomorrow morning and post how well it works.

All those eager to find out how the AGP versions work, I will let you know.

I do need some HD content to test with. Where can I download some to test? Will WMV HD stuff be accellerated?

Maybe I will just hit torrent and download something HD for testing...

I always buy movies (price to gain ratio is wonderful!), but do not have a HD player yet...

arfster

08-03-07, 04:13 PM

....is there any chance at all it could be ffdshow resize messing with the levels or do you see it without using ffdshow at all?

It's everything :-( FFDshow is just a convenient way to demo it. Tried every decoder/format under the sun, with three different cards, XP and Vista, 7.6/7.7/7.8, all the same. Reading old forum posts it seems to be a bug that ATI suffer from every so often. Good news is that their support seems to have been able to replicate it at least, although they don't exactly share a lot of detail :-)

If you only use software mode VMR9, I think you don't get levels expansion btw. Could you try some HD (>720) in PDVD perhaps? A quick screenshot and check in mspaint should show some 0/0/0 and 255/255/255.

Andy o

08-03-07, 04:15 PM

Thanks for the tip! I'll buy a seperate DVI-HDMI adapter + cable to replace my current DVI-HDMI cable. If that works I can concentrate on the acceleration issues. :)

Just in case, you'll need an ATI adapter if you want sound. The generic adapter for me worked well, though, if sound through HDMI is inconsequential to you.

daffy951

08-03-07, 04:15 PM

Sounds like 'tearing' which looks like half of the screen is updated before the other half, and is very noticeable during panning shots.
p.

Thank you for your reply. The problem I encounter does not look like tearing. It looks like the whole image twitches when the shot is panning.

I will experiment a little with Vista tonight, and see if I get rid of the problem there.

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 04:17 PM

http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/ is a good place to get video samples to test, especially the files in the V-codecs directory

cybrsage

08-03-07, 04:25 PM

http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/ is a good place to get video samples to test, especially the files in the V-codecs directory

** stares blankly, obviously overwhelmed by the selection **

Which ones should I download out of the V-codecs directory to test the card's accelleration?

Peekstra

08-03-07, 04:34 PM

It could be a wild goose chase there, please don't get mad if it isn't the cable's fault and I hate to see you spend money on something you dont need because of my suggestion :D

I've just installed a trial version of Powerstrip and some fiddling with the pixelclock and refresh settings made the glitches go away. :)

So no cable shopping spree for me if this remains stable :D

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 04:38 PM

The stuff in http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/V-codecs/h264/ is a good start :D I'm not able to get a screen grab from a HD-DVD in PDVD arfster, while I can paste the image into paint it just shows the actual EVR window overlaid onto a blank screen and if I move the paint window around the image stays stationary on the screen even though powerdvd itself is minimized. Verrry odd :D The levels are correct on this DVE pattern it is displaying oddly enough.. I'll check it through MPC in a bit though!

IAM4UK

08-03-07, 04:41 PM

Thanks for the feedback, Sarvatt. I think if I make the switch back to nvidia, and move to Vista, I'll go ahead and upgrade my CPU (currently have old P4 630). The new 6x50 CPUs look tasty, and with that kind of horsepower, I won't be as concerned about the power of the GPU. In fact, I'll save a bit on the GPU and get an 8500 instead for about seventy-five bucks. It will have the PureVideo HD, and not much else going for it, but that should suit the need.

MSI just released an 8500 card that is passively cooled, 2/3 height (!), and includes DVI and HDMI ports, rather than dual DVI or DVI + VGA. It claims HDCP, but I'm about done caring if I have to bypass that nonsense.

Fredrik

08-03-07, 04:47 PM

Thank you for your reply. The problem I encounter does not look like tearing. It looks like the whole image twitches when the shot is panning.

I will experiment a little with Vista tonight, and see if I get rid of the problem there.

I believe I had this issue in XP, using exclusive renderless solved this for me...using 7.7 at the moment.
The issue I saw was like a horizontal and vertical tearing at the same time, looked really wierd.
Using exclusive renderless all VPU recovers disappeared as well, really strange.

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 04:50 PM

No worries man, that is just my opinion on the matter so take it with a grain of salt. The sempron 2800+ numbers on that hardspell page should be pretty darn close to your p4's speed so the whole thing would be a good read to see what you can expect out of your system as it is now :D That p4 is plenty fast enough for vista though provided you have alot of ram, I have an athlon xp 2500+ system here with 2GB ram that has a more stable system experience than it did in MCE2005 even :) A little slower but everything is more consistant, hard to describe the difference in words..

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 05:02 PM

Ack, I posted wrong info, here is a 8500GT DXVA2 capabilities list in vista x86

8500GT Vista32:

Number of decoder devices = 11
DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_IDCT NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_MoComp NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeVC1_IDCT NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeVC1_IDCT NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeWMV9_IDCT NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeWMV9_IDCT NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeVC1_MoComp NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeVC1_MoComp NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeWMV9_MoComp NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeWMV9_MoComp NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeVC1_PostProc NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeVC1_PostProc NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeWMV9_PostProc NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeWMV9_PostProc NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
1720ac81-9d1b-4f63-9a37-4a88483d0b87 NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
1720ac81-9d1b-4f63-9a37-4a88483d0b87 NV12 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080
215da78e-a71b-417e-8ef8-463251a57206 NV24 720x480 1280x720 1920x1080

Higher WMV9 acceleration and Mpeg2 MoComp are the only things it has going for it as of now DXVA-wise, potentially the ATI could be better in future drivers as IDCT and MoComp are both advertised features but MoComp isn't enabled right now. Mpeg2_VLD is the highest level of acceleration and from what it looks like they might be adding that to the ATI drivers as I have 3 Mpeg2 acceleration levels in the 7.8RC3 drivers, but only IDCT is listed as a standard DXVA2 one, the other 2 are listed as specific GUIDs and the decoder would need to be able to work with those until they hopefully enable them as standard ones kind of like how they get h264 acceleration in Windows XP as it's not a standard option in DXVA1. Worst case scenario, they stay as they are in 7.8 and cyberlink or whatever codec will have to get updated to work with those as far as I can tell? Also, I wonder if Mpeg2_IDCT includes MoComp as I know the h264 levels include all lower levels in it.

http://bbs.silu.info/attachments/forumid_145/20070528_024634e3751d73071b4dCSw5VPH1QTwm.png

daffy951

08-03-07, 05:11 PM

I believe I had this issue in XP, using exclusive renderless solved this for me...using 7.7 at the moment.
The issue I saw was like a horizontal and vertical tearing at the same time, looked really wierd.
Using exclusive renderless all VPU recovers disappeared as well, really strange.
Aha.. Sounds interesting. Feel free to post a mini-tutorial to get it all working in XP if you can spare the time (no need for details, but programs to use?, critical settings?). Things which I guess are obvious for others might be hard nuts to crack for beginners like me.

Dodgexander

08-03-07, 05:19 PM

Im looking to buy an 2600xt or 8600 gts..i wondered what gaming is like at 1080p..also has it helped any one with any sync issues with video and sound and also frame rate adaptability?

Ie playing 23 or 24fps material on a 60hz display or 25hz...with software decoding at the moment it is a major issue for me.

Specs Integrated 1250 with the abit f 190HD and a C2D at 3ghz
2gb DDR 800 ram..

Any advice would be appreciated.

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 05:39 PM

You couldn't pay me to game on either card at 1080p honestly, but I guess it depends on what games you want to run. With that rig I would be buying a beefy last generation card like a x1950xt which at least has some decode assistance, is many many times faster and is cheaper to boot :lol: Sync issues could be a variety of things, if your CPU's aren't maxed out and you're having sync problems it could be the codecs you are using or your sound card as a few examples. There should be a bios upgrade in the near future for your motherboard which enables HD acceleration for the RS690 video that is worth keeping an eye on but I dunno if it applies to the intel version.

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41419

dvbnick

08-03-07, 06:21 PM

there's a bios update available on MSI site ... dated 2007-07-27

referenced TV099MS.RV630

Any one tried?

I've tried it - and now everything seems to be fine: I get Hardware-Acc. (Mpeg2 & h.264). And the bad picture is history right now. For all having problems with the 2400pro: try BIOS-Update if available for your card!
Greetings, dvbnick

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 06:26 PM

Is there any chance you could post your current bios dump dvbnick? It's really easy to get, all you need to do if you are willing is to download this program

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/594/mirrors.php

extract it anywhere (or just run it right from winrar if you use that) and run the ATIWinFlash.exe program. When it opens you just click on your card at the top (only if you have more than 1 ATI card, it should pick it automatically if not) and press the Save button and it's done. It'd be a huge help if so!

dvbnick

08-03-07, 07:15 PM

Is there any chance you could post your current bios dump dvbnick?
Of course! So here it is. Hope it helps.
dvbnick

Mark_A_W

08-03-07, 07:34 PM

Mark_A_W

08-03-07, 07:39 PM

Sounds like 'tearing' which looks like half of the screen is updated before the other half, and is very noticeable during panning shots.

From what I've read, the playback 'surface' or renderer can cause it to happen, and since different apps use different surfaces (overlay, VMR9, etc), you might see it one app, but not another.

Someone here can give better advice, but try different renderers in MPC, and look for advice regarding 'vsync' options.

EDIT: just saw the ref to .mkv and 20fps, weird, I think I get normal playback in MPC... will try tonight

p.

It doesn't sound like tearing to me.

I've seen no tearing with this 2600 card, with h264 or 1080i ts files using VMR9 tearing.

In fact, now I have my issues with posterisation sorted (wrong desktop colours..doh), I'm very happy with this card.

HD-DVD plays back flawlessly with Powerdvd and all my other media play back flawlessly with Zoomplayer. I see no Posterisation with HD-DVD, so the minor banding on 1080i ts file visible on occasion is almost certainly in the source.

The only issue I have is with Reclock running for HD-DVD the video freezes up after ~40mins or so. Reclock needs to be updated, but it's a dead project and Ogo has abandoned us :(

Without reclock it's fine, but there may be very occasional jumps. I wish the big players would do something to sync the audio/video clocks..

Sarvatt

08-03-07, 09:56 PM

Thank you so much dvbnick! I flashed it to my Sapphire HD2400 Pro and the only change I noticed is a reduction in DXVA2 modes available (outside of the DVI problem I talk about later). I lined up a bunch of videos that have problems with DXVA2 on my old bios and there's no change there. DXVA_NOHDDECODE is still needed for >720x480 DXVA2. The bios needs a bit of modification to work on other boards though so I don't recommend flashing it unless your card is disposable like mine :D The DVI port doesn't work after a flash and the ATI bios modification programs don't work with these bios' as far as I can see to remap the connectors. The people behind RaBIT are working on HD2000 support though so hopefully that should pan out :) I am going to leave it on for a few days and see if I notice any other differences.

Craigger

08-03-07, 10:48 PM

The usual way is to printscreen, paste into a photo app, and check a particularly dark or bright pixel. You can even use mspaint for this: pick colour off the toolbar, select a pixel, alt c, alt e, alt d, look at the RGB values. Video black is 16/16/16, video white is 235/235/235 (obviously you'll know this from your background, but for the benefit of some others who might not).

With the new ATI cards (and possibly some of their other models?) and Vista, anything >720 vertical lines resolution gets expanded to 0-255. Anyone who gets this should post a ticket at support.ati.com so it gets fixed faster :-)

I can see in ms paint that the levels are being expanded when I use FFDshow to resize > 720vertical ......Now can sombody tell me why I should care? :) Seriously...what is the impact to picture quality.

Thx,

Craig

cybrsage

08-04-07, 12:34 AM

This post will be edited as I uncover more info, but thought I would post while the drivers are installing.

HD2600Pro 256MB AGP card is being installed in a P4 - 2.8 GHz system with 1 GB RAM.

Downloaded the 7.7 Cats for MCE. They claimed I do not have a compatable card in my system. I downloaded again, no dice. I used the install CD which came with the card, Cat 7.6. They work and are currently installling.

I will try upgrading to the latest Cats after the install and reboot. I will not do any reg edits until after initial testing of the AGP card, unless you guys think I should.

Which test files should I use from that site provided a few posts back? I do not have a HD player, so I cannot play any real disks.

The stock fan is noisy. It will get replaced.

EDIT:

Had to abort. MCE reported I had incompatible drivers. It would play shows, etc, but would not show the actual MCE interface. Just showed a black screen. I could not use the edited drivers linked to in the FAQ (even though they were 7.6 as well - they also said no compatible hardware).

I am wondering if I have one of those wonderful - we will not recall them - bad cards.

I am back runnign my old 9600 for now. Have to get to bed, then have to work this weekend.

It was $149, but I had some leftover Christmas gift cards, so it was fairly cheap after them. Got it as Circuit CIty.

saintsaints

08-04-07, 01:02 AM

Thanks, how much did you get it for?

This post will be edited as I uncover more info, but thought I would post while the drivers are installing.

HD2600Pro 256MB AGP card is being installed in a P4 - 2.8 GHz system with 1 GB RAM.

Andy o

08-04-07, 01:42 AM

Got new errors in PDVDU with the HIS, including lock-up. Reverted to the ASUS for now; NewEgg is going to allow me to return both cards, but I'm still trying to determine which card I'll purchase as replacement. I have liked my previous nvidia cards; however, the ones that offload HD codecs processing don't have that key feature enabled in the XP drivers yet.

IAM4UK, could you let me know exactly how can those errors be reproduced in PowerDVD Ultra, please? Sorry to be so nagging, but I think that's exactly the same card that I have, so I might as well try to err the hell out of it before my RMA period passes. And if so, this time I'll be nice to the lady on the telephone...

I was rather a little impressed with the build quality of the HIS card, compared to both my Sapphire cards, especially the cheapo 2400pro, and also with my gigabyte 8500 GT, though the website and support seems to suck horribly with HIS and Sapphire. MSI is probably the only one that I've seen that offers BIOS updates, and their cards look great as well, so if I have to return this one, MSI would probably be the one I'd choose.

Thanks.

Sarvatt

08-04-07, 02:06 AM

Downloaded the 7.7 Cats for MCE. They claimed I do not have a compatable card in my system. I downloaded again, no dice. I used the install CD which came with the card, Cat 7.6. They work and are currently installling.

I will try upgrading to the latest Cats after the install and reboot. I will not do any reg edits until after initial testing of the AGP card, unless you guys think I should.
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Had to abort. MCE reported I had incompatible drivers. It would play shows, etc, but would not show the actual MCE interface. Just showed a black screen. I could not use the edited drivers linked to in the FAQ (even though they were 7.6 as well - they also said no compatible hardware).

I am wondering if I have one of those wonderful - we will not recall them - bad cards.

I'm sure your card is fine, there is no HD 2600 Pro AGP in any drivers I have here besides 7.8RC3 so it's no surprise they wont install.. You can either add this line near the top of the 7.6 or 7.7 driver .inf's

"ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9587

or grab the 7.8RC3 here

http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/ati/ati_8.40-2kxp_beta(www.station-drivers.com).exe

cybrsage

08-04-07, 02:23 AM

THat is stupid.

The drivers it came with installed...but MCE did not like them. Had to use DriverCleaner to recover.

Andy o

08-04-07, 04:51 AM

Been reviewing the HDCP saga on this thread... some unanswered stuff:

Yea i have hdmi to my yamaha rxv-1700 receiver. And from the receiver to the 42" LG monitor i have hdmi to dvi-d. Cyberlink is green on hdcp for both monitor and card.Somehow I missed this, so could you connect the DVI output from the card directly to the DVI input of the monitor and see if it works? HDCP over DVI-HDMI doesn't seem to be the problem.

I have a problem too but have not investigated it yet. It shows as no HDCP with a Sapphire 2400 Pro and a HP W2207 monitor using a stock 2 meter DVI cable.Could you update us on your testing? Could you make HDCP work here?

Thanks guys.

Dodgexander

08-04-07, 05:17 AM

Donnacha

08-04-07, 07:20 AM

cybrsage

08-04-07, 09:21 AM

Cybersage - I too have a p4 2.8 ghz PC with no PCI-E slots and am interested in your predicament. Are the AGP cards readily available now?

If these work I will buy an AGP card and a bluray drive. But so far you wouldn't recommend? Will you persevere with the card?

Interested in how you get on!

Going to try again, using the inf edit and Cat 7.7. I will install the card this morning, but not be able to test until Monday night or Tuesday night.

EDIT: The Cat7.7 with the edited inf file did not work. I probably should have uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers (now that I think about it) but I did not. I did try the beta drivers, but they are not MCE compatible...just standard XP.

I am out of time to test, have to work this weekend. I will try the edited 7.7s when I get back.

Maybe the 7.8s will be out by then, with MCE support.

As a note, this is what happens without MCE support:

A pop up appears as the media center app is loading, saying the graphics drivers do not support media center. Media center then opens to a black screen. I can click randomly in the upper right corner and either hit the X or the _, so I know the app is running, just cannot view it. I can watch TV, but cannot see the media center app.

William

08-04-07, 10:43 AM

Just bought an ASUS 2600PRO 256M and using a 30" Dell monitor at 2560x1600 with the latest drivers from ATI. When I have any overlay screen running or any multi media (including screen saver) I get speckles and the screen often flashes on-off (black)-on for a fraction of a second. Is 2560x1600 just too much for the card and do I need to upgrade. If so what would be a good card for a 2560x1600 setup (don't care much about games)? Also I have ordered a new DVI dual-link cable just in case it is the cable which I doubt.

ASUS P5K motherboard, Intel quad core, 4GB RAM.

Smilinpete

08-04-07, 10:58 AM

"Originally Posted by cybrsage

Had to abort. MCE reported I had incompatible drivers. It would play shows, etc, but would not show the actual MCE interface. Just showed a black screen. I could not use the edited drivers linked to in the FAQ (even though they were 7.6 as well - they also said no compatible hardware)."

I have the same problem with my Hd 2600xt and catalyst drivers 7.5, 7.6, 7.7. If I remove the drivers MCE is visible. With the drivers installed, I get a black screen. So my new HTPC with MCE is just another pc with xp due to insufficient driver testing by AMD. I see numerous posts of the problem but no good solutions.

I suppose I could spend a few days working my way backwards through c