:eek: what nrs are we looking at with a CRT tv or plasma ?
100,000:1 on off ?
what ansi ?
what black level ?
or it is the ftl and black level ? like 50FTL and yet 0.001ftl black level ?

not talking of matching a crt pj but a tv or the best plasmas.

we're still far away from that :eek:

Well my HD1 has a lower black point than my Panny PHD8 and its got a hugely brighter white point and the HD1 doesn't seem to exhibit any posterising whilst the plasma does so.....make of that what you will.

I'm lovin' projectors, and recently was marvelling yet again at the image thrown by the Sharp Z2000 DLP projector, which has I believe the best ANSI contrast going in projectors right now (at least among somewhat affordable projectors).

But last night I had a friend over and we watched "The Prestige" on my modest little 42" ED Panasonic plasma. I was again reminded that no projector I've seen produces as dynamic looking an image as even a modest plasma. Even though I've seen projectors that can do deeper blacks and even have, on paper, higher contrast....the contrast of my plasma just had a "pop" that I've yet to see matched by a projector.

But as it happens, for film-watching I'm actually looking for a more film-like presentation these days, which is why I'm going with projection for my next HT set up.

Rich
exactly: the brillance, the shininest of the best plasma. no projector can do what the Panasonic 100" with HD can do for instance (my sole experience with giant flat screens at ISE in 2006). what is it ? the glass layer ? the ansi contrast of the plasma ?
what is it ? At a few meters distance the depth is stunning.

of course this is miles different from the film experience and our projections at home.
some will argue it would be fatiguing to watch a movie on a 10ft screen with the same brightness for instance....

It's the glowing gas.... :)

Really it is. I think that it truly comes the closest to a professional film projector. Good CRT projection has it too though in my opinion, never quite the same on projection -vs- direct view though.

With that said, even this 1st wave of 1080p projectors are certainly moving closer.

of course this is miles different from the film experience ...
Movies are just not designed to be viewed at 75 ftL! I suspect that a Sharp 20K in a velvet black hole on a small enough screen with high enough gain would look like a Plasma or LCD panel. The problem is, IMO at that point you lose the immersion of the movie experience and start to focus on the bright "popping" picture.

Movies are just not designed to be viewed at 75 ftL!

Nothing is designed to be viewed at 75ftL. You'd probably go blind.

Nothing is designed to be viewed at 75ftL. You'd probably go blind.
There must be a lot of blind RPTV/Plasma/LCD panel owners running around! :D

lol
ok so it's the massive FTL that gives the pop, but what are the real constrat ratio of the best plasmas ? onoff and ansi ?

same pop would require a steroidian contrast ratio from the projector :)

note that people tend to like bright pictures and dynamic sound (loud...)

There must be a lot of blind RPTV/Plasma/LCD panel owners running around! :D


Well I have two out of those three and there is no way I would want a direct view display putting out 75fL. Like I said my HD1 projector has more "pop" than my panny plasma.

lol
ok so it's the massive FTL that gives the pop, but what are the real constrat ratio of the best plasmas ? onoff and ansi ?

Last time I checked the best ANSI CR measured was from a Sony XBR3 LCD at ~1,300:1 IIRC. The best plasmas are ~ 1,000:1 ANSI CR. Neither tech AFAIK produce a static on/off CR of > 2,000:1.

The next gen local dimming LED backlight based LCDs are supposed to deliver ~100,000:1 on/off CR.

Well I have two out of those three and there is no way I would want a direct view display putting out 75fL. Like I said my HD1 projector has more "pop" than my panny plasma.

I agree. I have a 50 inch Panny 720/768p plasma, and it is awesome, but the picture produced by the RS1 beats it. Not by a LOT, but the added resolution and increased size really help. I even saw the new 1080p plasma a few days ago and I would argue that the RS1 looks better.

I guess it depends on the material you are playing. I'm still amazed at how unimpressive Superman Returns looks. Though Curse of the Golden Flower is probably my new demo material.

I agree. I have a 50 inch Panny 720/768p plasma, and it is awesome, but the picture produced by the RS1 beats it. Not by a LOT, but the added resolution and increased size really help. I even saw the new 1080p plasma a few days ago and I would argue that the RS1 looks better.

I guess it depends on the material you are playing. I'm still amazed at how unimpressive Superman Returns looks. Though Curse of the Golden Flower is probably my new demo material.

I disagree that plasma displays provide better PQ than front projection. I have not seen the new Pioneer series yet, but I have seen most other plasmas and they don't hold a candle to a good PJ, IMO, except that they have very high ANSI.

As far as on/off CR, it depends on how large the white window is that you are measuring for the White measurement. The larger the window, the dimmer. Using the window from an Accupel signal generator to measure white, a good plasma is about 1000:1. The last review I read about the newest Panny plasma had it measured at @ 2000:1, though the measurement method wasn't explained. An RS1 measures 11K-15K:1.

Speaking generally, plasmas have more dither and noise in the picture than good FP. They show less shadow detail and most have a none standard gamma response especially in the brighter regions resulting in those regions being compressed and overly bright.

A 1080P PJ such as the RS1 throws a much larger picture that exposes more picture detail at a vastly cheaper price than any current plasma.

The plasma has the advantage in ambient light, but I take it for granted that we are making the comparison with complete light control.

To each his own I guess.

Glenn

PS: If you want to see some impressive PQ on your RS1, rent the HD-DVD version of Space Cowboys and start with the space scenes at chapter 25. This is probably the best I have seen so far.