60 PS3 out of production (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175011.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;2)

EDIT: Another story link - Sony: Enough 60GBs for "several months" in U.S. (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/)

In a nutshell, the PS3 is $499 only until the 60gig units are sold out, then it's back to $599. What do all of you make of this?

FYI, the topic on this from this morning was locked by the mod.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=874412

Search function is your friend...

ALREADY BEING TALKED ABOUT HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=874493)

Stop the insanity!!!

FYI, the topic on this from this morning was locked by the mod.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=874412

Search function is your friend...

ALREADY BEING TALKED ABOUT HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=874493)

Hmm... what do you know...

Would you prefer price cut or free upgrade? Either way, consumers will now get more for $499 than before. Sony even "admitted" there's a lot of 60 giger's sitting around(because they weren't selling), and their should be enough for a while.

You think MS or Nintendo don't play games with marketing??? How's that Vista experience treating you, anyway?

I think this is mind blowingly stupid on Sonys part if true. However we already had a thread
just like this one that got no respect.

Dave Karraker | July 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

Hey Guys. Let me jump back in here to answer some questions. Kaz has confirmed that we have stopped production on the 60GB in Asia. However, we have a very ample supply of systems still here in the North American market and will be able to meet demand for months to come at the new $499. We will keep monitoring the market and take the necessary steps to meet consumer needs once the 60GB model is depleted from retail.

In other words, buy now.

In other words, buy now.

which is why this wasn't stupid on their part.... welcome to marketing people...

Heck I wouldn't even be surprised if they kept making them and just said this to create demand with a falsely said low supply. ;)

which is why this wasn't stupid on their part.... welcome to marketing people...

Heck I wouldn't even be surprised if they kept making them and just said this to create demand with a falsely said low supply. ;)

Low supply.... they said they'll have stock of 60's for months to come.

Funny with months of talk of PS3s gathering dust people are now worried about what will happen when 60's are sold out.

here is my opinion on what sony should do.


after current 60gb models are sold out. a few months pass, re-release a new 60gb model without EE chip, but at a lower price point. say for around $399.

continue to release 80gb models in the future, still at the higher price at either $499 or $599. just like the 80gb coming up, it should be packed with a game or two, or controller. also a few blu-ray movies. maybe something like a marvel (spiderman/x-men/ghostrider...etc) blu-ray collectors pack or something.

then, when they figure out more cost-reducing inside the system, the 60gb model will receive the price reduction, selling at $299 and so on.

dont worry theres like 1.5 million unsold PS3s.... enough supply for 3/5 months.

They'll go pretty fast at this price. You would be crazy to wait until it's $599 again to buy one.

:)

I think theyre ganna have a non bundled 80gn model at $499 when the 60gn id depleted. They just wont say it so people actually buy the 60gb's and not wait for the 80gb models.

Dave Karraker | July 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

Hey Guys. Let me jump back in here to answer some questions. Kaz has confirmed that we have stopped production on the 60GB in Asia. However, we have a very ample supply of systems still here in the North American market and will be able to meet demand for months to come at the new $499. We will keep monitoring the market and take the necessary steps to meet consumer needs once the 60GB model is depleted from retail.


In other words, we when finally sell all the dusty 60 gigs in the back room of Best Buy's, the 80 gigger will drop to $499.99 and a 120 gigger or bigger will be coming for $599.99 in early 08. This sucks for the people that buy the last few 60 giggers. Although they do get the true PS2 hardware inside, while the 80 giggers will have that chip removed, so ultimately it could be a wash.

So Sony says that they are stopping production of the 60GB version but they also state that Europe is not getting the 80GB version. I guess that everyone in Europe is SOL once the 60GB stock runs out.

So Sony says that they are stopping production of the 60GB version but they also state that Europe is not getting the 80GB version. I guess that everyone in Europe is SOL once the 60GB stock runs out.

Well here's a new FUD monger for us to laugh at, what you think that sony is not going to offer anything to the Euro's? :rolleyes: The current 80GB SKU is a LIMITED EDITION, says so right on the box. Since the Euro hardware is already sans the EE chip Sony could just start offering the same 60GB SKU with a BONUS 20GB.

Guys, no store wants to stock 2, 3, 4 SKU's of a given product that isn't flying off the shelves to begin with. I'm honestly surprised stores allowed Microsoft to offer 3 different versions of the same system, thats kinda crazy.

60 gigs disappear, 80 gigs are $599...Sonys "price cut" vanishes into thin air and the system is as expensive as it has been again, BUT Sony now makes more money per unit sold as the 80gig units are cheaper to produce than the 60gig models.

The only way this works for the consumer is if Sony's sales are still sluggish on the PS3 at $499....then theres no way the market will support the higher $599 price on the 80gig models when the 60's are gone, so they'll be forced to keep the total system price at $499.

I think it is just a marketing ploy. The 80gb unit without the emotion chip probably costs less than the 6ogb unit. The just want to sel out the 60gb units and then say the selling og the 60gb as such a success the are now going to lower the price to the 80gb unit to $499. This way the consumer thinks they are getting a bargain.

Look, kids--Big Ben, Parliament.........Big Ben, Parliament......Big Ben, Parliament......

I just have one question as all this "will the price drop or not" is just speculation at this point.

My question is this: Can it be said, with 100% certainty, that the software emulator that handles the Emotion Engine and backward compatibility in the 80GB models is as good if not better than the hardware that handles it in the 60GB model?

Once again, I'm asking for 100% certainty, not personal opinions. This is my main concern, as I have a few PS2 games that I still plan on holding onto.

There will be another price cut as soon they are out of the 60GB. Sony is so amazing they will cut the price from $599 to $499 for the 80GB version. And everybody will say wow another price cut Sony is awesome ;)

I just have one question as all this "will the price drop or not" is just speculation at this point.

My question is this: Can it be said, with 100% certainty, that the software emulator that handles the Emotion Engine and backward compatibility in the 80GB models is as good if not better than the hardware that handles it in the 60GB model?

Once again, I'm asking for 100% certainty, not personal opinions. This is my main concern, as I have a few PS2 games that I still plan on holding onto.

EE less design! SURE!

I just have one question as all this "will the price drop or not" is just speculation at this point.

My question is this: Can it be said, with 100% certainty, that the software emulator that handles the Emotion Engine and backward compatibility in the 80GB models is as good if not better than the hardware that handles it in the 60GB model?

Once again, I'm asking for 100% certainty, not personal opinions. This is my main concern, as I have a few PS2 games that I still plan on holding onto.

The PS3's released in europe have been using the technology for some time now. If you want an idea of how well it works, then you can head over and check the responses from those users. That's the closest thing you'll get to "100% certainty".

Sony europe has published a list of their games, and how well they work on the new model. You can check your games here, but bear in mind that this list cover PAL games, so you may/may not see your US games listed.
http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/

So far, there's not been much of a hue an cry coming from people who've actually used it, which suggests this is more of a "non-issue" at this point in time.

Sony likely figures that by the time the current 60gb models sell out,they'll be able to 'drop' the price of the 80gb version,which will retail for $499.Maybe with Motorstorm,maybe not.Either way,I wouldn't count on paying anything under $499 this year for a PS3.They'll continue to add value to the system by increasing the HDD space,maybe throwing in a game or Blu-ray movie(or 5),but the price will remain unaffected.The main thing Sony wants right now is to increase the install base which will obviously encourage game developers,so they're prepared to have a firesale on the 60gb models to achieve that.We'll see by xmas if that strategy worked or not.

One thing,they will be under pressure to have a EE-less PS3 be as backwards compatible as the current EE models.One of the Playstation line's biggest selling points has been it's ability to play all PS games,they risk major backlash(and more negative press) from fans if the BC is less than stellar.

Sony europe has published a list of their games, and how well they work on the new model. You can check your games here, but bear in mind that this list cover PAL games, so you may/may not see your US games listed.
http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/

Thanks for that. The main games that I plan on keeping (i.e. Final Fantasies, Grandias, GTAs, Shadow Hearts) are either listed as minor or noticible issues.

Looks like I need to get the model with the EE chip still in it.

Sony is just doing the "Buy Now While Supplies Last!!!" argument. soon enough, the 80 giggers will be down in price as well.

Look, kids--Big Ben, Parliament.........Big Ben, Parliament......Big Ben, Parliament......

We have a "Pig in a Poke" winner.. Oink! Nice quote.

This whole PS3 for 499 deal is making my wallet itchy. Now if only I could convince the old ball and chain..

Thanks for that. The main games that I plan on keeping (i.e. Final Fantasies, Grandias, GTAs, Shadow Hearts) are either listed as minor or noticible issues.

Looks like I need to get the model with the EE chip still in it.

I see no reason not to grab one with an EE chip now if you are interested in getting the system at some point in time. That being said, I wouldn't take much note if it said minor issue with the backward compatibility. If you saw their detailed report, minor was extremely anal. Stuff that you'd be surprised they'd bother even mentioning.

60 PS3 out of production (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175011.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;2)

EDIT: Another story link - Sony: Enough 60GBs for "several months" in U.S. (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/)

In a nutshell, the PS3 is $499 only until the 60gig units are sold out, then it's back to $599. What do all of you make of this?

AKA Clearance Sale to make room for the 80GB model.

In a nutshell, the PS3 is $499 only until the 60gig units are sold out, then it's back to $599. What do all of you make of this?

The price will go down in the long term. When it hits the bottom, next console will come.

Analyst predicts price drop once 60GB model sells out

Industry analyst Michael Pachter expects the 80GB PlayStation 3 to drop in price to USD 499 once all stock of the 60GB model has sold out.

The 80GB model currently retails in North America for USD 599 with a copy of Evolution Studio's Motorstorm, but Pachter believes the newly introduced unit will drop in price for the standalone console.

"In our view, the Sony entry level price of USD 499 is here to stay," he said.

"We believe that there are presently 2 – 3 million 60GB PS3's produced and not yet sold, and expect the entire supply to be diverted to the US to honour the new lower price point.

"Once these units are sold through, we expect the company to lower the price of its 80GB model to USD 499 on a standalone basis."

Sony Europe boss David Reeves revealed last week the 60GB PS3 would be phased out in the US, leaving the 80GB SKU as the only option to consumers.

The analyst also predicted that Sony will again cut the price of the 80GB PS3 in early 2008.

"We expect the USD 499 price cut to be maintained until early next year, when the 80GB model will likely be cut again to USD 399," he said.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26751

The reasoning is simple enough. If you place a unit with a 60GB drive and a unit with a 80GB next to each other, at the same price point, you will sell nothing but 80GB units. One may say, "Oh the emotion chip and backwards compatability alone would sell the 60GB units.". While that would possibly be true for the minority of consumers, the majority will just buy whatever sounds bigger and better.

Once the 60GB units are effectivly sold out the 80GB bundle will go away. The 80GB unit will replace the 60GB price point and may even end up shaving another $50 or so off the sale price. Mark my words! :D

The problem is, what if these 60GB systems don't even come close to selling out before the holiday season? Will Sony say screw it and drop the price on the 80GB or will they go yet another holiday season with their newest model listed at $599?