Actually I would recommend the 8G for the blind. The reason? When plasma is working on its limit to try display a white or nice bright outdoor picture, blind people can actually hear that something is happening. Small noise=dark picture, annoing noise=bright picture.

Pioneer 8G the best display of 2007 for the blind!

More on 8G vs 81:

81 doesn't have green trail issue. 8G has.

81 has razor sharp picture. 8G is always out-of-focus. Bad for bluray/hddvd.

81 picture is noise-free. 8G picture is noisy.

81 has wider color gamut than 8G

81 consumes FAR less power.

81 doesn't have dirty screen issue. 8G has.

81 doesn't have plasma rainbows, 8G has.

81 doesn't have any of typical plasma issues. 8G has.

Why does this topic even exist? Because of Pioneer's hype machine?


it exists because not everyone is ignorant enough to listen to FUDmongers like yourself at face value ;)

Some impressions for led color doubters:

"Wherever you saw LED backlights, you couldn’t help but be impressed by color quality. Reds just popped better, greens were appealing but not over-saturated, and formerly difficult colors like amber yellow and turquoise came to life in a way they’d never be seen on plasma screens or with CCFLs."

Must be hard when you can't laugh at lcd sets anymore. LED LCD does colors, blacks, whites, motion handling etc better than plasma. There's still time to jump ship. About a month. ;)

I do not understand why people go on and on about LCD vs. Plasma like this in a non-objective manner. To me LCD has always looked worse than plasma, even with CCFL backlights the color temperature to me always looks skewed because of the sharp blue spike from the mercury arc in CFL and cold-cathode CFL lamps. Even when lowering the color temp it retains this blue-ish, cold, sterile tone; additionally the motion issues and angular gamma change (on vertical angles) and color/contrast change from horizontal angles makes LCD look very unnatural as a direct view display. Also, one strange aspect to LCD screens is that the light exiting the panel is polarized so it tends to look like it is "missing something", which I guess is the other 90 degrees of phase even when the crystal material is fully untwisted (I think I have that right, however, it could be up to 180 degrees). The only redeeming quality LCD seems to enjoy over other technologies is the ability to run the display at full brightness while playing video games like Super Mario Brother's without worrying about burn-in (although some organic liquid crystal materials can still be aged/burnt-in it is unbelievably difficult to do).

I realize that strobing the LED's will remove some of the motion issues inherent to LCD technology, however, since the grey-to-grey response times are only 8 milliseconds, that is technically not enough time for the crystals to fully respond to the next coming frame/field at the NTSC frame rate of 59.97fps (or typical refresh rate of 60hz). To alleviate the motion issues you would need a material that could respond very close to 1/60th of a second, which is approximately 1.667 milliseconds (or 1 and 2/3 milliseconds), so I suspect we will still see some strange motion artifacts with these new 81 series (though they will probably be much improved over previous CFL/CCFL based LCD TV's.)

Additionally, most white LED's do not produce an even white light across the frequency spectrum of visible light; this is because white LED's are usually blue LED's with a scintillator phosphor material, usually composed of Yttrium-aluminum-garnet material. This method does produce a white-like light but it has sharp spikes, again in the blue region, in its frequency response curve. Now I have not read about any other types of white LED's though if it is possible to produce an evenly weighted RGB LED it may be possible to produce a relatively pure white light (let's hope so).

Overall I absolutely love this idea of local dimming technology, I will certainly be replacing my bedroom TV's with these types of LCD screens as in the smaller size there is absolutely nothing else out there that will be able to compete; additionally, I may even consider getting an 81 to replace my Pioneer 8G Kuro model, as I definitely long to have a screen that looks completely black when off or in scenes with a lot of black but I definitely prefer the overall look of Plasma, because of its natural motion and color response and full phase light output (phosphor based technology looks so natural to me, in a similar way to how comforting incandescent light can be vs. how harsh fluorescent and LED light seem to be). Anyway, I enjoy both technologies, they both have their strengths; ultimately I would like a phosphor based technology that could do true black like SED, or even something PHOLED or OLED, based but I think that overall if LCD is the only technology that will be able to do true black then I may just have to go with it anyway because to me black level is absolutely the most important feature in a display. I guess we will all see when the 81's come out.

All these post for nothing but speculation and name calling. I am sure both sets will be very nice and look forward to seeing them, but I will hold judgement until I can actually see them.

Maybe they will both be the best thing since sliced bread maybe not. As you may know things sometimes look great on paper but don't work out and other things look like they should never work on paper but work great.

What I don't understand is why people bash other TV's and there use of technology, as advances benefit all.

Food for thought the LNTxx61/65/66 have very nice blacks now and good shadow detail seems to me that dimming the back light would only enhance that. I know when I turn down the back light on my current LCD the blacks do indeed get blacker and I only have 1 "zone" LOL

Its a great time to be a couch potato. :)

To alleviate the motion issues you would need a material that could respond very close to 1/60th of a second, which is approximately 1.667 milliseconds (or 1 and 2/3 milliseconds)

1 second = 1000 milliseconds. 1/60th of a second is 16,67 milliseconds. 8ms response time is good for 125p content if strobing leds are used. I don't have time to correct your other errors.

81 doesn't have green trail issue. 8G has. This only visable to those with very sensitive eyes. In other words if you can see rainbows on DLPs, you may see a green or yellow trail on a plasma (including the 8Gs).

81 has razor sharp picture. 8G is always out-of-focus. Bad for bluray/hddvd. Prove it

81 picture is noise-free. 8G picture is noisy.Prove it

81 has wider color gamut than 8GProve that it has a wider gamut per NTSC specs

81 consumes FAR less power.Prove your "FAR less" claim

81 doesn't have dirty screen issue. 8G has.Prove it

81 doesn't have plasma rainbows, 8G has.Prove the 8G has rainbows

81 doesn't have any of typical plasma issues. 8G has.8G doesn't have typical LCD/LED issues

Why does this topic even exist? Because of Pioneer's hype machine?[/QUOTE]Why do you exist? You are the biggest Hype/FUD machine ever (you've even beat Auditor55)

D-Nice. Unlike Auditor55's superior to 8G SED, LED LCD will be on store shelves next month ;) Superior to 8G 81 will speak for itself ;)

http://www.kitchencontraptions.com/archives/pictures/8473-thumb.jpg

D-Nice. Unlike Auditor55's superior to 8G SED, LED LCD will be on store shelves next month ;) Superior to 8G 81 will speak for itself ;)

http://www.kitchencontraptions.com/archives/pictures/8473-thumb.jpgHow can SED be superior sampo. Yesterday you claimed phosphors were not capable of pure colors or white....right?

And yes, I and others saw that post before you deleted it ;)

This message is hidden because D-Nice is on your ignore list.

SED/FED is the ultimate phosphor based display. Simply perfection. LED LCD will take colors to the next level.

yes FED/SED COULD have been the ultimate phosphor based tech. Too bad they are both DOA. I highly doubt Sony will continue to invest in FED when they are spending most of their efforts on OLED. Plasma will be the last phosphor based display. LED LCD will BE BETTER THEN PLASMA. Im not saying that it will be the 81 series for sure, but some form of LED LCD will kill plasma. THinking of Brightside HDR tech fully implemented would be it.

Then OLED will come and destroy LED LCD, and so on, and so on. It will never end. All tech becomes obsolete eventually and plasma, Im sorry to say will be next. :(

Pioneer 8G the best display of 2007 for the blind!

More on 8G vs 81:

81 doesn't have green trail issue. 8G has.

81 has razor sharp picture. 8G is always out-of-focus. Bad for bluray/hddvd.

81 picture is noise-free. 8G picture is noisy.

81 has wider color gamut than 8G

81 consumes FAR less power.

81 doesn't have dirty screen issue. 8G has.

81 doesn't have plasma rainbows, 8G has.

81 doesn't have any of typical plasma issues. 8G has.


You forgot one:

81 has an obnoxious dick shilling its features on this forum like a bought and paid for whore. 8G doesn't.

And this is from somebody who's given up on plasma and is looking forward to seeing the 81.

Just give it a rest for crissakes. Making fun of the blind just to make a point pegs your mental age at 12-13.

yes FED/SED COULD have been the ultimate phosphor based tech. Too bad they are both DOA. I highly doubt Sony will continue to invest in FED when they are spending most of their efforts on OLED. Plasma will be the last phosphor based display. LED LCD will BE BETTER THEN PLASMA. Im not saying that it will be the 81 series for sure, but some form of LED LCD will kill plasma. THinking of Brightside HDR tech fully implemented would be it.

Then OLED will come and destroy LED LCD, and so on, and so on. It will never end. All tech becomes obsolete eventually and plasma, Im sorry to say will be next. :(It will not be a 64 dimming zone LD LCD that will pose harm to any plasma. I do believe that LD LCD is a very promising tech.....once the dimming zones gets into the hundreds.

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