Because there is quite a price difference (about $500)

Depends on what you are looking for in a projector. These are two completely different beasts altogether.

Yup completely depends on your needs...there is no end all 1 is better than the other due to the number of HT variables involved in getting you up and running.

If you are looking for a high ambient light with a very constrained mounting options, the AX100 is superior and worth the $500.

If you have a highly flexible mounting options in your room and its more light controlled, the the Mitsu might be better.

It all depends on what your needs/requirements are.

The mits is actually going to give you about the same brightness as the panasonic.

1. The panasonic has lens shift so placement is a lot easier.
2. The Panasonic is LCD with a lens iris, which will give darker blacks in purely dark scenes (with the iris closed), but lighter blacks in mixed darka nd light scenes (where the iris can't close).
3. A very small amount of people see rainbows with DLP.
4. Anecdotal evidence on this board shows the panasonic having quality control problems.

In my opinion, the mits is a much better deal as long as it fits in your room.

Download this calculator, select the HD1000 and invert it for ceiling mount.

http://www.mitsubishi-presentations.com/pdf/projectorcalculator.zip

For a first timer, I can't stress enough how important lens shift can be to installation...

For a first timer, I can't stress enough how important lens shift can be to installation...

Yep. I absolutely could not install my panny if it didn't have lense shift.

For the record, I like the panny a lot and have had none of the said problems with it.

Pat

Yep. I absolutely could not install my panny if it didn't have lense shift.

For the record, I like the panny a lot and have had none of the said problems with it.

Pat

When did you purchase yours? What was the production date? Perhaps they've resolved the issues that early adopters were having last year!

On paper it looks like a great PJ for those who have ambient lighting and are installing it in a non light controlled environment.

When did you purchase yours? What was the production date? Perhaps they've resolved the issues that early adopters were having last year!

On paper it looks like a great PJ for those who have ambient lighting and are installing it in a non light controlled environment.

I got it from PP. I do not know the production date, as I am not at home right now. I think it's hit or miss. I use it with both ambient light and fully dark. In ambient light, it is still good even using eco mode. I use a designer white DIY screen, 92 inch.

Pat

For a first timer, I can't stress enough how important lens shift can be to installation...


I agree but it is not the only way out. When I installed my 4805 a few years ago I was a complete newbie, but had spent a lot of time on this forum. (which btw of all the forums I visit, the folks here are the most helpful IMO).

I did a lot of planning and was able to situate the PJ correctly and used a self-designed mounting solution using speaker hanging hw from WalMart. Actually not strictly self-designed, as much of the advice here got distilled into that design.

I will say it is challenging though and it took me a long time. Note I NOT a designer, carpenter or scientist but just a normal flub who just likes to think he can do anything (but occasionally gets proved wrong in that regard).

Now I am building a new HT after moving and I have some different challenges, but am considering lens shift even though I have the experience. One reason is that the room was finished by the prior owner but not with HT in mind, rather as a general use room. So in order to avoid extensive drywall work (I am actually going to attempt ZERO drywall work) I have to do a lot of planning, and getting a shifting PJ will make that work lighter.

I am looking closely at the new BenQ and the Epson 400 in addition to the Panny. $500 is more than a bulb and almost half a PJ.

I just don't understand why projectors are so cheap....Is there PQ just sub-par or what? Can their PQ compare with something like a Samsung DLP?

I was really just wanting to compare these two PJ's in terms of picture quality in general.

If I got a Mitsubishi HD1000:

I would mount it at 14' for a 103" screen. Would I be able to see this during the day with the lights on/off and the windows open?

If I got a Panasonic PT-AX100U:

I would mount it at 19.7' for a 97" screen. Would I be able to see this during the day with the lights on/off and windows open?






Wow I just noticed the PLV-Z5 which is comparably priced to the PT-AX100u. IS this a good PJ? Better or worse PQ than PT-AX100U?

BTW can any of the 3 mentioned projectors above accept 1080p/24 and display it at a multiple of 24?

These are the two projectors I'm debating between myself.... I was leaning toward the Mits because I fell I'll mostly be watching movies in a mostly light controlled room and/or at night... but I know there will be times when we entertain or I have the guys over to watch a game or play cards that we'll want the projector on to watch the Braves or the Falcons... I'm concerned with much ambient light I will have a completely washed out pic and will look like crap. But the Panny I worry about SDE and potential quality issues... thoughts?

Have you been to Projector Reviews - great reviews. I was torn between Z5 and Panny.
Panny issues scared me away and I'm a sharpness whore so Z5 won me over, and I'm
so glad it did cause I'm very, very happy with it.
Hey rocko PJ do really have great PQ - it really is unbelievible - the price you pay for what you get. Once you go PJ you'll never go back. Also any of the 3 PJs you mentioned are a
excellent buy.

I just don't understand why projectors are so cheap....Is there PQ just sub-par or what? Can their PQ compare with something like a Samsung DLP?

I was really just wanting to compare these two PJ's in terms of picture quality in general.

If I got a Mitsubishi HD1000:

I would mount it at 14' for a 103" screen. Would I be able to see this during the day with the lights on/off and the windows open?

If I got a Panasonic PT-AX100U:

I would mount it at 19.7' for a 97" screen. Would I be able to see this during the day with the lights on/off and windows open?






Wow I just noticed the PLV-Z5 which is comparably priced to the PT-AX100u. IS this a good PJ? Better or worse PQ than PT-AX100U?

BTW can any of the 3 mentioned projectors above accept 1080p/24 and display it at a multiple of 24?

Projectors are not made for viewing in a lighted room. If that is what you are saying, save your money. You will be disappointed. However, if you can put some drapes on those windows and control the lighting, you will be very happy. I have seen several people on this board misguide people into thinking you can watch a football game on a Sunday afternoon with no window treatment. They call it "watchable". I call it BS.

The Mits HD 1000 is absolutely the best projector in its price range. End of story.

Is the Pany significantly better? Yes It's static CR testing came in at 1700.1 which is high for an LCD. The new 1080p Mits LCD shows up with 650.1 static CR. The Panys brightness tested at 40ft candles if needed by me. The Mits DLP or HD70 would be 20ft candles tops. Which is high by the way but not near as high as the Pany can do. The pany can be set for night viewing at 16ft candles which is dark enough for HT. Auto Iris numbers will produce over 6000.1, auto iris testing is a little bit fantasy land but does have and effect on eliminating haze in very dark scenes so it works.
So with the Pany you'll have super high lumens if needed and the ability to go into dark HT mode for any type of cinema show. You will not have to tune up the Pany coloring is excellent.
So yeah significantly better but at a higher cost. Got a few hundred extra bucks lying around, shell it out. :)

I second the Mits 1000U. Clearly the best PQ in its price range.

Projectors are not made for viewing in a lighted room. If that is what you are saying, save your money. You will be disappointed. However, if you can put some drapes on those windows and control the lighting, you will be very happy. I have seen several people on this board misguide people into thinking you can watch a football game on a Sunday afternoon with no window treatment. They call it "watchable". I call it BS.

The Mits HD 1000 is absolutely the best projector in its price range. End of story.

How can the Mit1000 be the best FP in it's price range when 80%
of the people can't use it due to no lens shift.I call that BS
BOB

By the way my local BB stop stocking all DLP fp due to so many bringing them back due to the lens shift issue,They now only stock the sony aw15 that will work in any room.Another death blow for DLP
BOB

How can the Mit1000 be the best FP in it's price range when 80%
of the people can't use it due to no lens shift.I call that BS
BOB

I love the way you grab stats that are from who knows where.

Most ceilings are at least 8' high which is the environment in which the Mits is designed to go.

As far as picture and value, just read the reviews and the opinions on this board. They speak for themselves. It is bright, sharp and has great black levels. Certainly the best I have owned over the past five years. And that list includes Panasonic, NEC, Optoma and Infocus.

And you will not find issues with the reliability of this machine as with some of the others---Especially the dreded LCD malady of burnt polorizers and dust in the light path.

Your comments are off the wall and baseless.

There is a reason the Mits won the "Editors Choice Award" by Projector Central. It is simply the "Best of Class" based on performance.
These are the opinions of well informed people and me of course.

I picked the AX100U out of these two. Mostly because of the excellent ease of mounting the Panasonic anywhere. The lens shift is great and the brightness is fantastic even in daylight.

I ordered the ax100u about 4 weeks ago. I love that it is so bright I can use it during the day in a room with windows. Picture quality is amazing thru Tivo S3 as well as with my hddvds thru xbox360 hddvd. I have about 70 hours on it, June build date. 100" screen.

how can no lens shift really make it "unuseable"?

mitsu is a great machine and I wasn't poor after I bought it. Just buy it and set it up on a table and you're done

How can the Mit1000 be the best FP in it's price range when 80%
of the people can't use it due to no lens shift.I call that BS
BOB

I think "can't" should be substituted with "won't". I don't now why so many are afraid to use keystone. On all of the units I've tested it on (4805 and IN76) it had no noticeable effect on quality. I'd rather use keystone with a great DLP than have to use an inferior LCD.

I think "can't" should be substituted with "won't". I don't now why so many are afraid to use keystone. On all of the units I've tested it on (4805 and IN76) it had no noticeable effect on quality. I'd rather use keystone with a great DLP than have to use an inferior LCD.

Even with text output from a computer it still looks okay, and there's no way you can see any effects on an image.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/HD1000U/index.php

Mitsu HD1000U, one more vote

I'm also currently debating between these two projectors. My room is 16x20 and I want a 120" screen. Will the HD-1000U work for these specs? I was hoping for a shelf or table mount if possible and throwing the image as short a distance as possible for that size screen.

If I got a Mitsubishi HD1000:

I would mount it at 14' for a 103" screen. Would I be able to see this during the day with the lights on/off and the windows open?
I have the Mitsubishi mounted about the same way as you would (105" mounted about 14'). As was mentioned before, don't expect this to work in the day light. It's a very bright projector, but it will not compete with the sun. I have mine in a mostly light-controlled room with flood lights on a dimmer, and I can see the image okay with the lights on, but it's definitely far too washed out to enjoyably view. However, as stated, projectors are meant for use in darkened environments. When my room is dark the Mitsubishi is extremely bright even using low lamp mode and a grey screen (which I recommend highly because it gives nicer blacks).

In short, don't try to use a projector in those lighting conditions, you won't be happy with the result.

I'd rather use keystone with a great DLP than have to use an inferior LCD.

On the other hands, i can't care less which pj got the best in show.I won't touched it without a lens shift these days. I used one 4 years ago and i won't do it again.

FYI, I don't lobby for either format. Namely your godness DLP and the trashy LCD.

I have the Mitsubishi mounted about the same way as you would (105" mounted about 14'). As was mentioned before, don't expect this to work in the day light. It's a very bright projector, but it will not compete with the sun. I have mine in a mostly light-controlled room with flood lights on a dimmer, and I can see the image okay with the lights on, but it's definitely far too washed out to enjoyably view. However, as stated, projectors are meant for use in darkened environments. When my room is dark the Mitsubishi is extremely bright even using low lamp mode and a grey screen (which I recommend highly because it gives nicer blacks).

In short, don't try to use a projector in those lighting conditions, you won't be happy with the result.have you compared your gray screen to a white one? It doesn't throw off colors or anything? What kind of gray screen are you using?

mitsu is a great machine and I wasn't poor after I bought it. Just buy it and set it up on a table and you're done

I got the ax100U in Jun and Panasonic had a 400 rebate on it then so the price was not too much more than the Mitsu.

Also according to Projector central, I would never be able to mount the HD1000U on a rear shelf (which is where I would have had to mount it) because of the throw angle. Also the zoom on the ax100u is 2x giving me an entire 15 foot wall to project on with a relatively shorter distance and table top location.

Also the ax100u is whisper quiet. I cannot hear it all sitting right behind it.

Because there is quite a price difference (about $500)


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