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cheerful
07-19-07, 03:07 PM
It's difficult for me to get wire across my living room. Is there some decent wireless solution? I don't need a lot of power.

Thanks!

osiris13
07-19-07, 03:08 PM
Not that isn't very expensive.

corejonp1
07-19-07, 03:39 PM
I agree, I looked into it I too had to run wires across my living room. I ran them under the carpet (they do make flat wire), I used a thicker guage wire, but you cant really tell, just pull up the edge of the carpet, and run it along the base board. Going wireless opens you up to rf interferance big time.

petergaryr
07-19-07, 05:19 PM
Advent does make a pair of wireless speakers, but they are not up to any "serious" applications. Still, they do work (though, as stated in another post...are prone to interference---I've used their wireless headphones).

http://www.smarthome.com/8243-10w.html

Now, I have no idea how well or poorly these audio transmitters will perform:

http://www.amphony.com/order/main.htm

sivadselim
07-19-07, 05:22 PM
I think you'll having timing issues that will probably be too large to use the distance settings in your receiver to correct.

Unless, of course, all your speakers (and sub) are identically wireless. But then you'd still have timing issues relative to your video that would probably be equally insurmountable.

You're also at the mercy of the manufacturer regarding amplification.

Soundoctor
07-19-07, 11:38 PM
http://www.amphony.com/order/main.htm[/QUOTE]

The specs are at least reasonable; (although like most companies -- and these young whippersnapper 'engineers' who don't know any better -- they don't understand the difference between DYNAMIC RANGE and SIGNAL-TO-NOISE RATIO.)
But the latency sez less than 1msec. Even if it was 5 msec, that would not be a detriment to surround channels, in fact it might help far more than the entire incorrect nonsense of "distance" settings in most HT receivers.

Hey, maybe I'll contact them and yank their chain!

What's really required, of course, is a real hifi, at least 75 watt clean power amp that runs off of embedded induction loops in the walls. Why trade an ugly speaker wire for an ugly wall wart wire ??? !!! :o

Barry

Artslinger
07-20-07, 09:02 AM
Maybe you could try the Best Buy Rocketfish, you can wirelessly connect rear-surround speakers to your receiver. I don't have the Rocketfish but I'm thinking of doing this with my new rear sorounds.

http://www.bestbuy.com/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat115900050027&type=category


If I remeber right the HT Guys Podcast gave it a favorable review, sorry I'm not sure which show it was on.

http://www.htguys.com/archive/2007/July20.html

petergaryr
07-20-07, 09:51 AM
http://www.amphony.com/order/main.htm

The specs are at least reasonable; (although like most companies -- and these young whippersnapper 'engineers' who don't know any better -- they don't understand the difference between DYNAMIC RANGE and SIGNAL-TO-NOISE RATIO.)
But the latency sez less than 1msec. Even if it was 5 msec, that would not be a detriment to surround channels, in fact it might help far more than the entire incorrect nonsense of "distance" settings in most HT receivers.

Hey, maybe I'll contact them and yank their chain!

What's really required, of course, is a real hifi, at least 75 watt clean power amp that runs off of embedded induction loops in the walls. Why trade an ugly speaker wire for an ugly wall wart wire ??? !!! :o

Barry[/QUOTE]

I have no need for them, but they are at least working at 5.8 Ghz and that should certainly make them less susceptible to microwave interference. It would be great if some who actually owns one comes across this thread and gives some real world feedback.

cheerful
07-21-07, 09:44 AM
I guess wireless is hard then. If I do run wire along the baseboard, it will be 40 feet long. Do I need to use the same gauge on all speakers? Or should I use higher gauge for the surround speaker due to wire length?

Thanks!

petergaryr
07-21-07, 10:59 AM
I guess wireless is hard then. If I do run wire along the baseboard, it will be 40 feet long. Do I need to use the same gauge on all speakers? Or should I use higher gauge for the surround speaker due to wire length?

Thanks!

I'd go for a minimum 14 ga for the surrounds. Flat that goes under a carpet would be fine. If you can't do that, you can by wire channels that allow you to encase the wire in an easy to paint channel that can be fastened along the baseboard (I got mine at ACE Hardware).

Humbick
07-21-07, 09:33 PM
I just made a post regarding this situation... and then it took me like 20 minutes to find it. I figure it wouldnt hurt to post it here again. It includes the solutions I have compiling throughout my day of research, which includes some things that are on this forum, but its condensed into one at least... here it is:

I have been looking through all sorts of solutions all day (which may not seem like that much... but its a lot of hours )

I currently have a BOSE Acoustimass 16 (no bashing plz) 6.1 surround setup, which Im pretty much pleased with, but I'm moving to a new apartment which is very nice and has marble and wood floors and a good amount of open space that I dont want uglified by wires runing along them. And the way I have my apartment setup, I dont want wires running between the rear speakers (i.e. a wireless receiver as in many wireless HTIB or the Best Buy solution, etc.) because I have a sliding door in the way with no frame to wire around (which I hate doing anyway). Thanks or listening to my problems.

Here's what I think are the best solutions to our issues:

1) Logitech Z-5450: As suggested a few posts ago; its a pretty good 5.1 system that has 2 independently wireless rear speakers that just need a power outlet (which is no prob for me personally). I've owned the Z-5500 (non wireless) and they are incredibly good quality and value from a company like logitech, and the 5450, as with the 5500, has a center volume module that includes an amp that accept multiple inputs (for the 5450: 2 fiber optic, 1 digi. coax, and 1 6 ch. analog (5.1, good for pc)). Not to mention, they both come with a remote (which is compatible with Logitech Harmony remotes, which, IMO, are the very best universal remotes) and according to reviews the wireless speakers avoid interference very well and have no signal issues. The CONS to this system, however, are as follows: 1: The system is no longer available as it has been discontinued (don't know why) and is not supported by logitech, and if you have a hardware issue they will send you the wired, Z-5500s as a replacement. They are also hard to find and are sold for more expensive than their retail price. 2: The center console which acts as a mini-receiver is very nice, especially for pc, but it is no replacement for a true receiver, and there doesn't seem to be a way to connect it to a real receiver to properly have attuned to your setup. If you are in my boat, and you have a Xbox360, Nintendo Wii, DVR, DVD Player, PC, Slingbox, etc than it's pretty much likely that you wont be able to connect them all to the system (though, Im still considering these speakers, as I don't mind using the Wii with my TV speakers). Overall, it still would be nice to use my receiver for everything (even though I have a universal remote), and I would probably lose it since my TV has a good amount of inputs on its own (though I would lose HDMI for sound). Taking the hit for losing my 6.1 BOSE system (obviously) isn't upsetting me too much, I wouldnt mind pocketing the extra cash, and I was utterly pleased with my 5500s which adapted to whatever input it was set on perfectly.

2) KEF Universal Wireless Kit (http://reviews.cnet.com/home-entert...tag=prod.txt.13): I've never used this kit or seen it, but according to reviews it seems to be pretty reliable and good, and I haven't seen it mentioned here yet. It is very similar to to the wireless setup in that the rear speakers are independently wireless (no wire between the rear speakers). However with this system, you use your existing 5.1 system, attach a wireless receiver to your amp/receiver, and a signal receiver to each of your rear speakers. The "problem" with this solution (which may not be one for some) is that you have an outlet connected to a power brick (ie. one for a xbox or wii), which is connected to the reciever (6"x2" or so), which is then connected to the speaker, which essentially means you have three physical objects where you have a speaker (and quite a few wires). Though if you have a spot for it by an outlet or somewhere to hide the blocks, this isnt an issue. Additionally, the only other problem is that its sold for like $600!!! and I can only find it on Vanns.com, and its by a company called KEF (so who knows about support).

Then, to add on, you do have the Best Buy Wireless Solution (I forget what its called), the Kenwood KFU-6100 Wireless Solution, the BOSE SL2 Solution (all of which require the rear speakers to be connected to a receiver, which is connected to power outlet). And you have a number of Sony, Panasonic, and Samsung HTIB solutions with wireless rear speakers that have the same wired-rears and receiver situation, as well as Creative GigaWorks 550W with the same rear.

Also, it may not have been considered though I am considering, getting the very flat speaker cables, which can be much more easily run along walls, door frames, and carpets. Particularly, it has been recommended that you pry of the base-molding (the strip that runs across the bottoms of most walls) and put the flat speaker cable behind that, making it invisible; peeling a little wallpaper and hiding it under there, and then reapplying it, and even running it up a wall where necessary and painting over it in the same color as your wall (or your entire wall), which really seems like a very sexy and almost ideal solution if you want to/decide to have your speakers wall mounted. I really didn't consider it but its not a bad idea. There is a link to this type of speaker wire here: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...d=1172881563843. And lastly, some of these wire-running/hiding systems really aren't half bad, though, depending on your place, they may not be visually plausible (the first one promises to be easily painted though). They can be found http://cableorganizer.com/surface-r...cornerduct.html and http://www.ezhidewire.com/.

Sorry that so much of this is personal, i still think it helps, and definitely hope so. If anybody has any additional solutions for me or anybody else, I would love to hear them.