Just connected a new Toshiba hd-xa2 hddvd player to my nec xg1351 with the HDfury and it plays 1080i but when I change to 1080p there is just noise. Does anyone know if this projector should be able to display 1080p or what the problem is?
By the way, the audio and picture quality at 1080i does not compare to my htpc. I would not recommend this player unless you don't want a htpc.

Just connected a new Toshiba hd-xa2 hddvd player to my nec xg1351 with the HDfury and it plays 1080i but when I change to 1080p there is just noise. Does anyone know if this projector should be able to display 1080p or what the problem is?

It should sync to 1080p and show a picture. It will likely be a little softer than 1080i, but it should show it. So, something is wrong somewhere.

By the way, the audio and picture quality at 1080i does not compare to my htpc. I would not recommend this player unless you don't want a htpc.

Please clarify. When comparing the Toshiba to the best HTPCs for SD upscaling the HTPCs where a little bit better. For HD, not really. So, given that SD DVDs are dying, why spend over $1000 and put up with the hassles for just slightly better DVD scaling especially when many are transitioning to mostly HD?

The projector you have should be easily capable of displaying 1080p, as well, it is one of the few "7" inch crt projectors that can, with exacting setup, resolve 1080p. As well, the XGLC has some of the best color reproduction of any projectors...
Your issues are likely related to the Toshiba, more so than the NEC.
Did you setup a new memory for it ?

you mean "8" inch :o

you mean "8" inch :o

Actually, the P16 tubes in the XG and Sony G70 are 7" tubes. They call them 8" because they can resolve and produce as much light output as an 8" and actually are in my opinion the best 8" tube out there. :)

Cliff

Thanks Cliff - I did not know that. :o :o

forget 1080p on a regular stock 8" CRT, just my opinion, but 1080p in a 16/9 raster is going to be soft city

-Gary

Sounds like I should not waste my time with 1080p anyway because 1080i is fine.
Even at 1080i the Toshiba machine has much more noise than the pc. This is unfortunate because I was hoping to switch to the Toshiba machine to make the theater easier to use for the rest of the family.

you should have had the first gen Toshiba's, loud as **** :(

-Gary

Sounds like I should not waste my time with 1080p anyway because 1080i is fine.
Even at 1080i the Toshiba machine has much more noise than the pc. This is unfortunate because I was hoping to switch to the Toshiba machine to make the theater easier to use for the rest of the family.

Noise ? Video noise ?

You should confirm your power and cabling, and your transcoder's operation because I have an HD-A1 and its output is virtually noise free, one of the cleanest video signals I've ever seen....I can't believe a newer machine would be worse...but I guess its possible...

I've got BD/HD DVD playback from computer too, and it doesn't even come close to the pristine signal from the Toshiba.

Is your cable sound ? What out put from the HD Fury do you have ? Are you driving a long cable ? How long is your HDMI/DVI cable ?

I am positive he is speaking of fan noise

I agree none, the Toshiba players have top notch video outputs, the XA2 is a general amongst HD-DVD soldiers ;)

-Gary

I was referring to video noise. I have a 3 foot hdmi cable connected to the hd fury connected to a hdmi to dvi converter i got from radio shack. This is then connected to an extron switcher and then to a 25 foot breakout cable. The pc works fine when connected to the extron switcher and the breakout cable. Is there a better way to connect the hddvd player?

A2 looks awesome on my XG. Never looked better.
How can you compare AX2 with PC in 1080p where there is no true 1080p source to play with PC? Or is there?

On my 1351 I see video noise when connected direct (moome card) from my Gen1 Toshiba (HD-A1) @ 1080i it’s in the brighter portions of the picture, it is not terrible but more then I see with the HTPC. It could be a difference between a 1351 and 1352 the Gary has. I know the front end is slightly different because the 1352 has component inputs.

Jsxxx, do you notice the noise if you set the Toshiba to output 720p? I like it better then 1080i just a personal taste but prefer progressive to interlaced, hands down. I notice way more flicker with rolling credits at 1080i then 720p and that drives me crazy (It’s a short drive).

My feeling is there is some may be some handshaking issue with the HD Fury and your Toshiba as to why it won't sync at 1080p. Do you know if anyone else on the forum uses this combo? You might start a thread asking that. At the present time I run 1080p on my HTPC and 720p from the HD-A1. Yes 1080p it somewhat soft on the Windows desktop but video looks great!


Mike

I just thought of a test you could run. Many larger computer monitor 21" or so will resolve 1080p if you have access to one connect the HTPC running 1080p to the monitor just to verify the monitor will sync. Then connect it to your HD-Fury and the Toshiba. If it will not sync then the problem is probably the HD-Fury. BTW it is likely the proportions will be really messed up (Streched) but it will sync if the sources are good. This way you can determine where the problem is in the video chain.

Mike

I tried connecting the component out to the projector and there was less noise and a nice picture with a hd dvd but when I put in a standard dvd it would only play at 480. Now I am wondering if there is a hdmi (or dvi) to vga converter and try to play everything at 1080i through the hdmi output.

I tried connecting the component out to the projector and there was less noise and a nice picture with a hd dvd but when I put in a standard dvd it would only play at 480. Now I am wondering if there is a hdmi (or dvi) to vga converter and try to play everything at 1080i through the hdmi output.

Sorry am I missing something here?...That's what the HD-Fury is…. An HDMI to VGA converter. :)

Mike

Excuse me if this is a stupid question but what if I converted the hdmi to dvi and then converted that to vga with a simple converter instead of the hd fury? Would it still output 1080i?

Excuse me if this is a stupid question but what if I converted the hdmi to dvi and then converted that to vga with a simple converter instead of the hd fury? Would it still output 1080i?

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think DVI and HDMI for the most part are the same if you have the Content Protection (HDCP) circuits. All HDMI has the HDCP some DVI does. For anything above 480p with an SD-DVD you need HDCP circuits to handshake with HD-DVD player to tell it OK you can upscale this to 1080i.

It is very confusing and silly to be honest, HDCP should never have been applied to display devices. I can see it for source devices but the processing power it would take to digitize an analog HD RBG signal and record it would be huge.

Mike

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think DVI and HDMI for the most part are the same if you have the Content Protection (HDCP) circuits.

Not really, hit wikipedia.

All HDMI has the HDCP some DVI does.

Currently all HDMI has HDCP however, by the spec it does not have to. Other licensing pushes this.

It is very confusing and silly to be honest, HDCP should never have been applied to display devices.


This statement makes no sense. What are you trying to say? HDCP is an "on-the-wire" encryption protocol. The source HDCP encrypts right before sending the signal out. It is ONLY to protect the signal "en route" from the source to the display. If the display did not implement HDCP, there could be no HDCP and all digital signals would be unencrypted and easily capturable. That is why it is exists. :confused: :confused: :confused:

I can see it for source devices but the processing power it would take to digitize an analog HD RBG signal and record it would be huge.

This is getting cheaper all the time and approaching quite feasable. But, this is about analog. YOu were just complaining about HDCP on the digital which is quite easy and low cost to capture. That is why HDCP. I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Excuse me if this is a stupid question but what if I converted the hdmi to dvi and then converted that to vga with a simple converter instead of the hd fury? Would it still output 1080i?

No, you need a Fury or like.

DVI supports analog and digital. HDMI is digital only. The simple converters only convert the analog component of DVI (if present) to VGA, not the digital component. No HDMI source and pretty much no DVI video source has an analog component to convert, therefore you must convert the digital component.

If a cheap converter worked, why would there be a Fury, et al?

The projector you have should be easily capable of displaying 1080p, as well, it is one of the few "7" inch crt projectors that can, with exacting setup, resolve 1080p.

Do you have a verifiable 1 on 1 off patter from the top left corner of the 16:9 raster to prove this?

I was referring to video noise. I have a 3 foot hdmi cable connected to the hd fury connected to a hdmi to dvi converter i got from radio shack. This is then connected to an extron switcher and then to a 25 foot breakout cable. The pc works fine when connected to the extron switcher and the breakout cable. Is there a better way to connect the hddvd player?

HD DVD is very clean on my system. I think your noise is coming from someplace else.

How can you explain this? I initially plugged the hdfury and the dvi to vga converter into the extron switcher without the short vga wire that came with the hdfury. When I used that short cable between the hdfury-vga converter and the switcher the picture noise diminished significantly.

This statement makes no sense. What are you trying to say? HDCP is an "on-the-wire" encryption protocol. The source HDCP encrypts right before sending the signal out. It is ONLY to protect the signal "en route" from the source to the display. If the display did not implement HDCP, there could be no HDCP and all digital signals would be unencrypted and easily capturable. That is why it is exists. :confused: :confused: :confused:



This is getting cheaper all the time and approaching quite feasable. But, this is about analog. YOu were just complaining about HDCP on the digital which is quite easy and low cost to capture. That is why HDCP. I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Yes that was poorly written. What I should have said was it doesn't make sense because there are devices like HDFury and Moome that convert back to analog, so the protection is already cracked.

It will still be some time before we see lossless analog to digital full resolution HD recording, it will be done but at a very high cost with considerable resource requirements. Adding to that the fact you must also somehow add the audio track back in, will make it much more of a challenge then the average DVD bootlegger would be able to achieve at reasonable cost. It is much more likely the formats will be hacked in the digital domain. It is just so much easier to do.

What bothers me about this whole thing is how none of this stuff seems to work very well together and with HDMI changing specs we are all chasing a moving target. It may be time to throw in the towel on our CRT just because we can't get them to work with these cool new source devices. I would accept that except I read some of the same problems in the digital world with compatibility, perhaps we should just sit back and let things cool down before jumping in but where is the fun in that. :)

It reminds me of when USB first came out for the PC's, nothing worked right we were always faced with installing new drivers and firmware for all our gear.

Do you have a verifiable 1 on 1 off patter from the top left corner of the 16:9 raster to prove this?


Actually, top left corner will on mine. However bottom right is a disaster...

But no I can't be arsed trying to take a picture. So you'll have to take my word for it :-)