I'm in need of a sub, and I'm looking to spend ~$300, but I'd go as high as $500 if it meant getting a product that's going to greatly enhance my experience.

My reciever is a yamaha 661, and most of our content will be either blu-ray or DVD, played through the PS3 (using HDMI), and whenever possible using the uncompressed audio layers.

What I'm looking for is a sub to use in a home theater setup, I live in an apartment, so I'm MUCH more concerned with getting a crisp clean clear sound, than thundering bass and volume. Accuracy over power.

I'd been looking at the A2-300, but I'm wondering if there is something less out there in my price range I should consider before I pull the trigger.

Again, I really want something accurate and clean, loud, heavy and muddy isn't what I want at all.

Most everything we listen to are movies, and I want a sub that'll enhance that movie experience. If I can grab something that's a solid leap in quality and performance, I'd consider spending up to $500, but that's a stretch for me keep in mind.

I'm not in a huge space, so again, quality and accuracy are much more important than sheer power and wall thumping bass.

Looking to purchase today, so let me know what I'm looking at!

For $499, I'd probably look into getting a HSU VTF-2 MK3.

The eD subs are just too much of an unknown quanity IMO.

I was in the same boat you were a few weeks ago and decided on the A3-250. I am not a technical expert so just based on my listening experience, the A3-250 blends pretty well with my main speakers and you can only hear the bass when you are supposed to hear it. If this is what you call accurate and clean, then the A3-250 definitely has it. I am only comparing it with the Velodyne VRP1200. You can look at my other recent post "eD A3 250 vs. VRP1200" (I cannot post URL's yet).

For $499, I'd probably look into getting a HSU VTF-2 MK3.

The eD subs are just too much of an unknown quanity IMO.

too much of an unknown quantity?

you mean they haven't been established as a quality product? I've heard quite good things about them...

at least the A2-300 specifically.

Bang for the buck, am I going to get anything better by spending more money than the A2-300, or am I just going to get more power?

too much of an unknown quantity?

you mean they haven't been established as a quality product? I've heard quite good things about them...

at least the A2-300 specifically.

Bang for the buck, am I going to get anything better by spending more money than the A2-300, or am I just going to get more power?

CraigSub has tested at least one Ed subwoofer. I think they tested very well. You can't get more value for your money. I would be comfortable buying a subwoofer from Ed.

I like the Ed A7-900. For $2,000 the A7-900 is probably the best value in a $2,000 subwoofer.

All the Best

CraigSub has tested at least one Ed subwoofer. I think they tested very well. You can't get more value for your money. I would be comfortable buying a subwoofer from Ed.

I like the Ed A7-900. For $2,000 the A7-900 is probably the best value in a $2,000 subwoofer.

All the Best

sadly, it seems just a tad outside my budget...

I'm looking at the A2-300 right now, seems all I get with the more expensive ed subs is more power, at least in the sub $550 range...

another question, what's the difference between the A3-250 and the A2-300? it would appear at first glance that you get more bang for your buck with the A3-250, as it has more power for the same price.

are these subs different in other ways?

Hello Mikelz85.

The A2-300, A2-250 use our Kv.2 series driver and a 200 watt amplifier.

The A3-300, uses a 12" Kv.2 series driver and 350 watt amplifier.

Tha A3-250 uses our higher-end 10" Ov.2 driver and 350 watt amp.

The A5-300 uses the higher-end 12" Ov.2 driver with the 550 watt amplifier.

The 12" A3 and A5 cabinets have thicker walls and more internal bracing.

another question, what's the difference between the A3-250 and the A2-300? it would appear at first glance that you get more bang for your buck with the A3-250, as it has more power for the same price.

are these subs different in other ways?

All the models can get kinda confusing but hopefully this will clear things up

A2-250 uses a 10" driver based on the 11kv.2 design with a 200W amp
A2-300 uses a 12" driver based on the 13kv.2 design with a 200W amp

A3-250 uses a 10" driver based on the 11Ov.2 design with a 350W amp
A3-300 uses a 12" driver based on the 13kv.2 design with a 350W amp

A5-300 uses a 12" driver based on the 13Ov.2 design with a 550W amp

The Ov.2 subwoofers have a much larger motor compared to the Kv.2. Despite that the A2-300 should out perform a A3-250 since it has a larger driver and even according to their employees the A2-300 will dig deeper with more output than a A3-250. The A3-250 should be a consideration if you are tighter on space as it is a tad smaller. I think you will be happy with the A2-300. Under the $500 dollar range you probably won't get a a tremendous discernable difference over the A2-300. If you went up to an HSU VTF3.3 for $700 or some of the other $1000 subs I think you'll see start seeing a big jump.

Hello Mikelz85.

The A2-300, A2-250 use our Kv.2 series driver and a 200 watt amplifier.

The A3-300, uses a 12" Kv.2 series driver and 350 watt amplifier.

Tha A3-250 uses our higher-end 10" Ov.2 driver and 350 watt amp.

The A5-300 uses the higher-end 12" Ov.2 driver with the 550 watt amplifier.

The 12" A3 and A5 cabinets have thicker walls and more internal bracing.

ahh you beat me :P

hmm, I'm wondering which would be a better match for what I'm looking for?

same price, smaller driver with more power vs. larger driver with less?

not sure which route to go...

either way I really wish I had the money to justify the A5-300, but it's just not in the cards sadly...

Yes, I believe 10" vs 12" sub. Look at the spl output on each. the 12" has more surface area to move, so it may go deeper ,easier.

Honestly for the price, and free shipping, you won't find a better sub that can go that deep, and geared for SQ!

ahh you beat me :P
But your answer is better conveyed...

I bought the A3-300 recently and have been very pleased. However, I wonder what the real world difference between the A3-300 and A5-300. I wonder if it will be noticeably better. Oh well - desires.

too much of an unknown quantity?

you mean they haven't been established as a quality product? I've heard quite good things about them...

at least the A2-300 specifically.

Bang for the buck, am I going to get anything better by spending more money than the A2-300, or am I just going to get more power?

I'm sure they make fine products.

But I'm still willing to bet that a HSU VFT 2 MK is of higher sound quality than the eD A2-300.

And that is what your looking for right?

Don't worry, the HSU's can pound too. ;)

I'm sure they make fine products.

But I'm still willing to bet that a HSU VFT 2 MK is of higher sound quality than the eD A2-300.

And that is what your looking for right?

Don't worry, the HSU's can pound too. ;)

Not sure if that is a fair comparison. I would hope a $552 product gets me better sound quality than a $350 product.

Not sure if that is a fair comparison. I would hope a $552 product gets me better sound quality than a $350 product.


Yeah, usually that's how it works.

He said his budget was 300-500 so I started at 500.
;)

Yeah, usually that's how it works.

He said his budget was 300-500 so I started at 500.
;)
sort of..ye forgot to mention shipping . :rolleyes: :D

Yeah, usually that's how it works.

He said his budget was 300-500 so I started at 500.
;)

What I'd like to see is how the A5-300 matches up to the Hsu 2.3. Similar in price shipped for both. :)

Since you're not concerned with earth shaking power I suggest you take a look at the X-Sub which by all accounts I have read is a very "musical" sub. This means tight and accurate as per your request. As an added benefit it costs less.

When you move into a bigger place the X-Sub could be moved to a bedroom setup.

As a disclaimer I would personally not buy an X-Sub myself if I were in your shoes. I would buy an ED sub and neighbors be damned! :D

If you're not in a big hurry AV123 is coming out with a Mark Seaton designed X-Plosive sub which is currently on sale for $299 until the end of the month but won't be available till the end of the year. (Further disclaimer I have one of them on pre-order)

What's the size of your room? I would say you should give eD a try. If you're just want a sub for music and you got a medium size room, I think you should go with the A3-250 since it may be more "musical". However, like others mention, the A2-300 does extends deeper into the sub-20 hz region and may give you better flexibility in case you want to pop in a movie or two's. I own the A2-300 myself and I think it's quite accurate and blends in very well with my front eD A6-6T6 towers in small mode. The bass is not boomy at all once it's calibrated properly. You cannot beat the price/performance of the A2-300 or A3-250 imo. Save your extra $150 and invest toward some new towers or other speakers necessary in your setup.

Outlaw Audio LFM-2 or Onix X-Series @ ********** (backordered) might also be good choices is space is a concern. Got to be careful with subs unlike the above, subs are much larger than most people think

Try parking a coleman cooler where you think it might go if you have one…just to be sure before you buy. That is about where the eD sub would be. These things are ALWAYS bigger than the pictures suggest. In a small space that can be a real pain.

I think either of the original suggestions would serve an apt or typical room very well.

I haven't seen any mention of speakers in your setup. You've budgeted up to $500 for the sub. Get the A2-300 and but the savings in your speaker budget, it'll give you everything your looking for and is unmatched at the price.

IMO you'd have to more up to the VNF 2 MK3 to see even a marginal increase in quality bass with no or minimal difference in low extension and output. The savings added to your speaker budget would be much better spent rather than paying more for a sub in your budget range.

What I'd like to see is how the A5-300 matches up to the Hsu 2.3. Similar in price shipped for both. :)


Well, once again, I think A5-300 would be louder but the HSU would sound better.

:)

I haven't seen any mention of speakers in your setup. You've budgeted up to $500 for the sub. Get the A2-300 and but the savings in your speaker budget, it'll give you everything your looking for and is unmatched at the price.

IMO you'd have to more up to the VNF 2 MK3 to see even a marginal increase in quality bass with no or minimal difference in low extension and output. The savings added to your speaker budget would be much better spent rather than paying more for a sub in your budget range.

yeah, I've gone ahead and pulled the trigger on the A2-300, figured the extra money wasn't really going to get me very much bang for the buck, especially given the size of the apartment. Speakers are going to be the next thing, but are probably a little ways out, going to check out the av123 seattle GTG first, then do some decision making. Hopefully the GTG will help me narrow down whether to go the entry level xseries (or equiv) route, or a higher end (and more expensive) route.

Right now I'm just using some klipsch promedia 5.1 speakers (PC HTIB setup, just took the 5 speakers and ran them through my yamaha reciever), but the subs inputs are all for a PC sound card, so I don't think I'll be able to hook it up, if I was able to, I'd have to make a RCA connection to the reciever and a headphone (mini?) type connection to the sub. Either way, I needed a sub, and I've got one on the way now.

To be honest, the klipsch speakers don't sound great, but they aren't terrible either, not really a huge difference between them and the onkyo HTIB speakers, looking forward to upgrading in the next few months though.

Mains will probably be the first thing, then center, then surrounds.

Hopefully I'm in good shape with the A2-300, I kept thinking about spending more money, but honestly it's better spent on speakers later down the road, ~$150-$200 extra for a better sub can now be spent on speakers instead, which will give me more choices for mains.

Good choice and you're going about it the right way, enjoy and good luck.

CraigSub has tested at least one Ed subwoofer. I think they tested very well. You can't get more value for your money. I would be comfortable buying a subwoofer from Ed.

I like the Ed A7-900. For $2,000 the A7-900 is probably the best value in a $2,000 subwoofer.

All the Best

Really now.. this week maybe. C'mon spyboy et al, this "Best value" crap is starting to get way to cliche around here.

Spyboy - have you even heard this sub, or any $2000 sub for that matter? I've heard a $2000 sub once, a Paradigm Servo - a 15" driver in a sealed box with Servo technology that goes down to 15hz and sounded amazing.

SVS subs at or even lower than $2000 have been written as being better than any $5000 sub.

Hsu has been noted as having subs that can't be touched by ANYONE $1500 or less.

Now this?

LOL - this is just too freaking much. It's a SUB. IT's I.D. (so of course the shills have to come out of the woodwork to promote it to generate interest and sales) then poor David Bott has to be the bad guy and shut the thread down (or at least threaten to) because of all the blatant false advertsising going on.

My freakin head is spinning, I'm just so glad that I DIDN'T buy a HSU, SVS, Maestro, Outlaw, AV123, or Axiom Sub as I would now have felt so ripped off that a new sub company has come out and at least this week makes the best sub for the money.

Yeah, I"m sure there is no other sub in the entire world that can be had for $2000 that can beat this Ed sub, I'm sure :rolleyes:

LOL - this is just too freaking much. It's a SUB. IT's I.D. (so of course the shills have to come out of the woodwork to promote it to generate interest and sales) then poor David Bott has to be the bad guy and shut the thread down (or at least threaten to) because of all the blatant false advertsising going on.

One quick thing about people coming out of the woodwork to promote the A7-900, no one that works here or that is getting anything out of it has done so.

All the people discussing it are customers, some may have our products, some may be basing any beliefs on pure speculation, but if anyone started claiming our subs were capable of things they aren't and we saw it, we'd be the first to shoot it down.

Am I going to sit here and tell you the A7-900 is the end all greatest sub under $2000? No, I'm not, I haven't listened to everything that you can get to your house for $2000 so me making that statement would be extremely uninformed.

Do I like it? I better. I worked on the design for quite some time trying to get something that wasn't too obtrusive(trust me, I could have made it an even more awkward shape) and that would be able to dig lower than anything else we offered. Something that I'd take home if I was only slightly insane and didn't live in an apartment.

Is it loud? Personally, I can't stand sitting in my office when it's being demo'd anymore and my car is capable of 140+ dB on music.

Does it sound good? I think so, everything I've listened to on it has sounded great.

Does it go low? The thing is tuned to 17.2Hz so it better.

Is it the greatest thing ever? That's a rather subjective opinion. Some people will hate it just because of the finish. Others won't want to give up a massive amount of space in their room. And I'm sure still others may not like the way it sounds.

All I ask is that you please do a bit of research before discounting a company because some customers like the product. You'll find no one here pushing our products on anyone. Yeah, we'll answer questions posted about them, but we don't go jumping from thread to thread suggesting our products over another companies. Our customers might do that, but I think that just means we did something right.

Really now.. this week maybe. C'mon spyboy et al, this "Best value" crap is starting to get way to cliche around here.

Spyboy - have you even heard this sub, or any $2000 sub for that matter? I've heard a $2000 sub once, a Paradigm Servo - a 15" driver in a sealed box with Servo technology that goes down to 15hz and sounded amazing.

SVS subs at or even lower than $2000 have been written as being better than any $5000 sub.

Hsu has been noted as having subs that can't be touched by ANYONE $1500 or less.

Now this?

LOL - this is just too freaking much. It's a SUB. IT's I.D. (so of course the shills have to come out of the woodwork to promote it to generate interest and sales) then poor David Bott has to be the bad guy and shut the thread down (or at least threaten to) because of all the blatant false advertsising going on.

My freakin head is spinning, I'm just so glad that I DIDN'T buy a HSU, SVS, Maestro, Outlaw, AV123, or Axiom Sub as I would now have felt so ripped off that a new sub company has come out and at least this week makes the best sub for the money.

Yeah, I"m sure there is no other sub in the entire world that can be had for $2000 that can beat this Ed sub, I'm sure :rolleyes:

I've seen spyboy recommend av123 subs, hsu subs, outlaw subs, and svs subs. Maybe he hasn't heard them all and maybe he doesn't know a few other brands but I dont see what's so wrong about recommending a sub from good companies.

I've seen spyboy recommend av123 subs, hsu subs, outlaw subs, and svs subs. Maybe he hasn't heard them all and maybe he doesn't know a few other brands but I dont see what's so wrong about recommending a sub from good companies.

i dunno, i can understand where he is coming from. after doing research, none of which involved actual listening, I could easily go around and re-spew everything I heard, name-drop brands, and so forth. I'm sure alot of people do this, without any real-world experience, this forum is just something to do to gain a feeling of self importance for folks like that. For me, I don't approve, people come here to discuss audio/video, and hopefully they use at least a few parts of the scientific method in doing so. Usually I can pick out ego inflating fanboy statements from those that actually have some degree of real world weight.

I agree, and have noticed posts describing a brand as the 'be all end all bang for the buck' with some frequency. Ever play the game 'telephone' as a kid, where one person starts with a message and it gets passed down the line in whispers, until it gets to the end, and doesn't resemble the original in the slightest? That happens anywhere, people with some expertise make statements about a product, and then other people use that, then other people use what the 2nd ppl said, and so forth, until the real merit of the original message is lost, all because someone thought they could simplify what was said, by just calling a product 'good'. There's no such thing as 'good', maybe a good fit for your individual and unique needs, but not just 'good', or 'bad'. /rant

anyways, I hope I get a good sub :rolleyes:

I like Boomy bass!

going to check out the av123 seattle GTG first,

Hey, don't mean to change the subject, but can you give me a link to info on this event? I checked the 123 forums and didn't find it right away, but I'd love to go. Thanks.

Hey, don't mean to change the subject, but can you give me a link to info on this event? I checked the 123 forums and didn't find it right away, but I'd love to go. Thanks.


http://av123forum.com/showthread.php?t=22227

Thank you, MUCHO.

I like Boomy bass!

Get the Dayton 12". It's cheap and you'll be completely satisfied.

I've seen spyboy recommend av123 subs, hsu subs, outlaw subs, and svs subs. Maybe he hasn't heard them all and maybe he doesn't know a few other brands but I dont see what's so wrong about recommending a sub from good companies.

I agree, I don't see the big deal, he recommended a $2000 sub in a thread where the op specified a $300 - $500 budget. I'm sure it's a great sub, but for what the op was wanting it didn't fit in any way shape or form. I just looked over it from the start as most of us did. Then someone wanted to pick on him for it :).

to spyboys defense, it didnt look like he was recommending any sub in particular, it looked as though he was trying to establish ed as a respectable company.