Guys, my Moome card just arrived :D ! I am sooo... stoked!!

I'll be back I'm gonna go slap it in right now :cool: :p :D !!!


John

You're not back yet. That can be good or bad, but likely it's good. Unless it's bad because that would suck.

what about the rest of us. Is he shipping more or just a few?

Guys, just real quick update...WOW, did I say WOW!!!

I'll be back again!

This thing is awsome!

uh oh... thats good!

I just ordered my bluejeanscables. 30' HDMI to DVI. $60.

I cant wait to get home maybe mine is in too!


Athanasios

I'm assuming that people who ordered the basic model (no remote or gamma) are the ones receiving their cards at this point. I believe Moome said that he was testing the basic model first and shipping them and then he will move on to the "advanced models"
Maybe i'm wrong and Draganm did bump me to the back of the line!

Could be that all cards were dropped off in New York and are being sent to their US/CA destinations from there.

Or mebbe JBJR slipped Moome a $20 to be first in line. :P

Btw, my new postal mail came in a little while ago and my Basic Moome wasn't in there. :(

I have to leave for work, but a little more.

It was shipped EMS, Express Mail Service, not the post office.

The color pallet that this card is passing is amazing, I just haven't seen these kind if color hues before, awsome. The detail and sharpness are there also. Background detail is what I really look for, and there's no problem with it with this card, it has a nice 3D look!

Anyone need a lightly used HD fury!

John

So John, you're saying this thing spanks a Fury? I was planning on getting a Fury because it's cheaper, and because I wasn't quite sure if I was going to end up with a Marquee or a G70. Figured I'd just feed the Fury into my Kimcoder and all would be good. But if it's THAT much better than a Fury, hmmm...

So John, you're saying this thing spanks a Fury? I was planning on getting a Fury because it's cheaper, and because I wasn't quite sure if I was going to end up with a Marquee or a G70. Figured I'd just feed the Fury into my Kimcoder and all would be good. But if it's THAT much better than a Fury, hmmm...

I would most certainly want to know how the fury was set up. We compared Jean's Sony card to moome's HDMI card and moome's was not better on any of these fronts. Given his involvement in the HDFury, I'm surprised it would be that much worse, so how was it connected?

It was shipped EMS, Express Mail Service, not the post office.

EMS is the Post Office. :D
But I get your drift. Unforunately, I just checked my Moome email about completing the pre-payment process and it said to send him $250 for the remaining balance on my Basic card. But it doesn't mention anything about EMS option. So I'm not sure if my payment included that faster mailing service or not.

Oh well.

With my G70, I personally think there's a difference in sharpness when comparing external to internal transcoders. Internal is sharper, and it has nothing to do with the transcoders themselves. It has to do with eliminating an RGB stage by replacing Sony's RGB IFB card with the DVI/HDMI card. Less garbage in the signal path is always a good thing.

I should be getting my Moome card next week. I already have one of John's cards. Dave and I should be doing a shootout in the near future.

Maybe i'm wrong and Draganm did bump me to the back of the line! considering I just ordered 2 weeks ago I doubt i'm bumping anyone but Certainly hoping I did? :D
Wow, like this is really excting. Getting the Moome card+HD player is going to be like getting a new projector AND sound system all in one $380. purchase. Man i'm stoked, going to have to re-order my Netflix Que to watch some HD now.

New sound system? Moome and HD player for $380!? I wanna shop where you shop!! :D

Sounds good Phil, I'll look forward to hearing the results.

I would most certainly want to know how the fury was set up. We compared Jean's Sony card to moome's HDMI card and moome's was not better on any of these fronts. Given his involvement in the HDFury, I'm surprised it would be that much worse, so how was it connected?

What Moome DVI unit did you have for comparison? The One JB now has is something totally new. And it's supposed to have a different chip than what was being used in the previous version, which was the same one that's in the present HK Fury.

So if both Moome's previous version and the Fury have the same chip, your observations were spot on. But the card that JB now has, is also something that a lot of us have been waiting for for a very long time.

With my G70, I personally think there's a difference in sharpness when comparing external to internal transcoders. Internal is sharper, and it has nothing to do with the transcoders themselves. It has to do with eliminating an RGB stage by replacing Sony's RGB IFB card with the DVI/HDMI card. Less garbage in the signal path is always a good thing.

I'm reserving judgment until I see the Fury set up a few different ways. We looked at the Ophit and used a cheap cable, not my set up. I've notice an increase in sharpness switching the Ophit out for the Fury, so I'm curious to see it in your set up.

Well, at my HT meet, we also saw a difference in sharpness between Moome's internal card and his external box. I realize that Moome's original external box had some limitations, so we'll see how the Fury does. So far the results for external transcoders has not been good with my PJ.

The whole "internal DVI/HDMI cards eliminate an RGB stage making for a sharper picture" isn't my theory. Someone else mentioned it a long time ago, maybe at my meet.

Well, at my HT meet, we also saw a difference in sharpness between Moome's internal card and his external box.

Yes, but his external DVI is one of the worst and he has even admitted to its softness. I don't think it is fair to use this boxes performance as representative of "all externals".


The whole "internal DVI/HDMI cards eliminate an RGB stage making for a sharper picture" isn't my theory. Someone else mentioned it a long time ago, maybe at my meet.

And that theory doesn't make sense since the signal still becomes RGBHV. :)

It does, but you do get rid of the RGBHV input card in the projector. Assuming the card is more than "wires" connecting into the projector's internal video circuits, and actually has some active video circuitry, you should have a bit simpler video chain with HDMI -> Moome Internal -> PJ than with HDMI -> Fury -> Projector input card -> PJ. (Moome and Fury are comparable, and I'm assuming Moome doesn't have any equivalent to what's on the projector's input card.) Plus you don't have to worry about analog issues in the RGBHV cables. Presumably Moome does a good job of feeding his converted signal into the projector.

If we are talking Marquees here, the Moome card goes into slot two which in essence means the moome card attaches to the main vim and via edge connectors and relays goes into the same vim circuitry as the normal RGBHV analog bnc inputs. . The Moome would eliminate the BNCs and would route the RGBHV over internal circuit board traces on the vim. Of course you have those nasty relays. The analog pathway would be very short compared to using a breakout cable with say 6 inches or so of analog wires.

Perhaps my card came today. I fully prepaid months ago including expedited delivery. For what its worth, the HD Fury works a lot better with an external 5v regulated supply than it does drawing 5v off the hdmi/dvi-d cable. At least with a 25 ft high VOODOO quality digital cable. Punchier and brighter. Had trouble working at 1080p without the PS, no problem at 720. But once the PS is added, the HD Fury works at 10780p 60. MP and I made the same observations independently re brighter and punchier. But until we can do a photometric measurement of the light reflecting from the screen off of Dave's head and then another set from each gun direct, we will have no scientific proof so maybe I am imagining things. Yeh. That must be it. Its VOODOO VOODOO.

When I get the card, I will use the HD Fury into slot 1 via my mega buck breakout cable and the Moome into slot 2. I have two identical HDMI to DVI cables (25 ft) and 2 HDMI outputs on my Radiance. Both can be driven at the same time and all I have to do is to source select on the Marquee remote from source 1 (HD FURY) to source 2 (moome). I will feed it by my new Pioneer Elite Bluray player.

For a test pattern. I will use the new 5th Element and only the 5th Element. I have promised Cliffy in return for him not discussing guns on his thread until after the meet, I will watch the 5th Element 6000 more times. I hope to garner its hidden meaning somewhere between 5000 and 6000 of the coming viewings.

When I get the card, I will use the HD Fury into slot 1 via my mega buck breakout cable and the Moome into slot 2. I have two identical HDMI to DVI cables (25 ft) and 2 HDMI outputs on my Radiance. Both can be driven at the same time and all I have to do is to source select on the Marquee remote from source 1 (HD FURY) to source 2 (moome). I will feed it by my new Pioneer Elite Bluray player

No need to do this. JB has Moomes earlier version Input slot card as well, which also has the same chip as the Fury. And what he's now experiencing with Moomes new card, is something totally different from what he's been able to get with the Fury or the earlier card. The difference between having the Fury right at the BNC's and the new card in the slot should not be an issue. However, there is a difference in the distance of the internal wiring on the VIM to the BNC's and input slot. The input slots wiring is about 8" from the relays to the slots connector, while the BNC's are only 1" from the relays to the BNC's.

I was on the phone two or three times today with JB, and It appears that Moome has delivered as promised with this new card.

Do you think that his new internal card will be same/better than his new external box if they are using the same chips?

I've only been waiting a year now for the external to be ready for an XG :mad:
May have to go internal and run a new cable

Do you think that his new internal card will be same/better than his new external box if they are using the same chips?

No. It should be the same if the chip is the same. The only thing that could make a difference is problems from impedance mismatch, which at short distances, would only be a problem only at higher rates (>1080P).

However, I would place the external device as close to the PJ as possible, because unlilke a PC cards DACs, these DACs are not likely designed to drive longer cable runs (need buffer).

And though the slight differences in the cable lengths should not be an issue, just like the the shorter the cables, the less likely you'll see problems with impedance mismatch.

The shortest breakout cable from the Fury to the BNCs is 6 inches. Further the inpedence of a VGA is 90 ohms and of the BNCs is 75 ohms. There are no internal wires from the slot two edge connector to the pick up points right after the BNCs. Asnoted, there are relays. There are board traces instead of wires. The capacitnce of the board to the traces should be less than the 6 inch external wires on the breakout. Never mind. Its VOODOO.

Further the inpedence of a VGA is 90 ohms and of the BNCs is 75 ohms

At the distance it's being used at, it's too short to even create any problems from impedance mismatch. So the impedance is sort of irrelevant here, and that's why we'd want to keep the cables as short as possible.

Isn't it also the inability of the Fury to drive properly a significant length of RGB cable at high frequencies? This is not a question on the termination impendence at each end but a question of cable capacitance.

No need to do this. JB has Moomes earlier version Input slot card as well, which also has the same chip as the Fury. And what he's now experiencing with Moomes new card, is something totally different from what he's been able to get with the Fury or the earlier card. The difference between having the Fury right at the BNC's and the new card in the slot should not be an issue. However, there is a difference in the distance of the internal wiring on the VIM to the BNC's and input slot. The input slots wiring is about 8" from the relays to the slots connector, while the BNC's are only 1" from the relays to the BNC's.

I was on the phone two or three times today with JB, and It appears that Moome has delivered as promised with this new card.


Mike when you say "moome's new card" are you referring to an older hdmi card vs moome's newer hdmi card? Moome started selling the hdmi cards, for the Sony's anyway, sometime back in about Feb 2007 I think. Are you saying that moomes current hdmi cards are superior to the ones he sold a few months ago in his last few batches (I think there were two Sony hdmi cards prior to the current issue)?

We are comparing ONLY the early and just released card for the Marquees. No card in my mail box today. No Hostess cream filled chocolate cupcake in my lunch box either.

We are comparing ONLY the early and just released card for the Marquees. No card in my mail box today. No Hostess cream filled chocolate cupcake in my lunch box either.

Thats not what this sounds like...

What Moome DVI unit did you have for comparison? The One JB now has is something totally new. And it's supposed to have a different chip than what was being used in the previous version, which was the same one that's in the present HK Fury.

So if both Moome's previous version and the Fury have the same chip, your observations were spot on. But the card that JB now has, is also something that a lot of us have been waiting for for a very long time.

Consider that the new Marquee input card is a year newer in development than the Sony input card. I would believe the chip in the Marquee card is different, especially from the way Moome was hinting that this card was a copmlete redesign from the ground up, versus anything he'd done before. His exact wording is spread throughout the Marquee Moome thread over in the for sale forum.

In any case, I was happy enough with Gen1 of the Marquee Moome. Though I never had time to spend any critical viewing with it.

So I'm sure I'll be that much happier with the new design and it's upgraded 10bit DAC, which we know the previous units did not have.

It does, but you do get rid of the RGBHV input card in the projector. Assuming the card is more than "wires" connecting into the projector's internal video circuits, and actually has some active video circuitry, you should have a bit simpler video chain with HDMI -> Moome Internal -> PJ than with HDMI -> Fury -> Projector input card -> PJ. (Moome and Fury are comparable, and I'm assuming Moome doesn't have any equivalent to what's on the projector's input card.) Plus you don't have to worry about analog issues in the RGBHV cables. Presumably Moome does a good job of feeding his converted signal into the projector.Exactly what was trying to say Gary. Thank you! I think there's a lot more going on in an IFB card than a "straight wire" signal path.

It may turn out that the external device's deficiencies were the real problem in the previous tests with my PJ. But all I have to go on so far is what I've seen. Until Dave's Fury proves otherwise, there's really no reason for me not to believe internal cards are sharper then external transcoders.

Ok, just got home from work, tired as a dog so this will be brief again so I can get to bed.

My fury was hooked up to the 9500 at the second input slot RGBHV card with a higher quality Blue Jeans VGA breakout cable(the Belden one). It was a direct connection from my PS3.

I simply pulled this out and put the Moome card in the same slot and hooked the Monprice HDMI cable to the PS3 and Moome card.

John

So John, you're saying this thing spanks a Fury? I was planning on getting a Fury because it's cheaper, and because I wasn't quite sure if I was going to end up with a Marquee or a G70. Figured I'd just feed the Fury into my Kimcoder and all would be good. But if it's THAT much better than a Fury, hmmm...

Gary, from what I've seen so far, my opinion yes, yes it does!


John

Most of my discussion was to point out the differences in hook ups between the Fury and the Moome. If one is testing or rather, not to ire brother Dave, viewing the picture put out by two devices, the hook ups ideally should be the same. They can't be the same with the Moome which is internal and the Fury which is external. This alone would mean the Moome card gets better sex. I do not think the wire and connector differences would have much of a difference on the, heh, heh, sorry Dave, test results, but because of the scrutiny cast by the vast unassembled masses in this forum, I felt compelled, no I'd better say driven, by the CRT god to point them out and discuss them ad nauseum.

The New Sony card is exactly the same as the New Marquee card just different interface

I know folks have only just received their new cards, however, I will be interested to hear about two aspects of the new Marquee card:

1) Is there any black crush from a Toshiba HD-DVD player via the HDMI connection? Apparently there is black crush from the Toshiba's when connected to a DVI input on the PJ, so I'm expecting that there will not be any when connecting to the HDMI port on Moome's new card.

2) How is the gamma control? As good as the RTC-2200? Different?

Thanks guys for the reports.

Most of my discussion was to point out the differences in hook ups between the Fury and the Moome. If one is testing or rather, not to ire brother Dave, viewing the picture put out by two devices, the hook ups ideally should be the same. They can't be the same with the Moome which is internal and the Fury which is external. This alone would mean the Moome card gets better sex. I do not think the wire and connector differences would have much of a difference on the, heh, heh, sorry Dave, test results, but because of the scrutiny cast by the vast unassembled masses in this forum, I felt compelled, no I'd better say driven, by the CRT god to point them out and discuss them ad nauseum.

I will hopefully being doing this test on a Sony soon. But I'm very curious to know what you think the differences are.

The main difference between the external and internal will be that the external will use a very short cable, BNC connectors, and the signal will go through the RGBHV input board. If the picture is different in a way not attributable to the device itself (and from comparing Jean's Sony DVI and moome's HDMI I didn't see much difference), it has to be because one of these is degrading the picture. The most likely suspect is the RGBHV input board. So, results may vary between PJs depending upon the quality of the RGBHV input.

With the Moome card, the circuit uses the same pathway as the RGBHV BNC inputs, just picks it up after the BNCs. The differences are the circuit board traces from the edge connector where the card in slot two joins the main vim board to the pick up points just after the BNCs. There are three additional relays which switch from the RGB BNCs in to the traces to the edge connector. The HV traces do not use relays, instead they use some sort of solid state switch. The quality of the HV is not important at all (no wide bandwidth) so no high quality relay is needed. I have not received my Moome card yet although it was paid for long ago. So I can't comment on the differences yet. However, as previously stated adding an auxiliary 5V supply made the Fury perform better to MP's and my eyes. Brighter and punchier. Also my Fury would not work off the Radiance at 1080p without the supply.

No. He is saying the older Moome card for the Marquees. I did not get a cup cake today either. I sent an email to the baker today asking for the status of my cup cake. I will let you know what he says as soon as I get a response.

Guys, here's what I can do, if Mark doesn't get his by the weekend maybe I can shot down MP's for him to have a look at it and give his thoughts on it. I'm not sure of my social schedule yet, but, maybe we could make it happen Sunday if Mike is free also.

I have HDMI splitters, one amplified, enough cables and a PS3 I can bring and Mike has a Blue Ray player. We can hook the Moome and fury up together into both inputs on the VIM and use one player for both and just switch back and forth from each input.


John

JB, I'll be in West Virginia on this coming Sunday. If Saturday is OK with you, we can do it then. Hopefully the top part of the day through the evening. I'll be haeding to West Virginia Saturday night around 7PM. The following weekend I'll be in Chicago, so it would be nice to look at this before then. If things change with the coming weekend, I'll let you know. West Virginia may be rescheduled.

You have the right idea for a good evaluation. Bring those things down.

I got the FE Remastered BD today, and yep. It's all that and some change..:)

Here's a few quick screenshots taking while there's still some light in the room...

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Honey. What are you going to do this afternoon?

I'm gonna play the 5th Element again, take some photos of it on our screen, and post them on the internet.

Honey. Its not porn you are posting?

No hun. Just pictures of LooLoo.

Isn't LuLu the name of a famous stripper?

I dunno. Should I email Cliffy and ask?

No. That's OK. All those pictures of LuLU, she's dressed?

Yep.

Then why do the guys want to look at your screenshots. Are they trying to decide whether to buy the DVD?

No, they each have three or four copies aleady. Its the Bluray disc I am shooting.

Don't most of them already have that Bluray?

Most of them have the earlier Bluray of it. The one I have is the new version, much better video than the old transfer.

Same ending?

I dunno I never watched the end of the old one and I am not going to watch the end of the new one. I think the content is the same.

And the guys are deciding whether they should buy that?

Err no. Sony is replacing the old Bluray with the new one for free.

I've always thought those Sony guys were noble saints.

So you got your new one for free?

Err no. I couldn't wait. I ordered it over the internet ansd had it overnighted.

I think you are adicted to this LuLu.

Honey!

So why are the guys going to look at your screenshots?

Its really just a test pattern.

A what? You are not watching dots and bars again, are you?

No hun, I promised. Say you got any photos of you in a bikini you want me to post? Trust me, this LooLoo can't hold a candle to you.

Are Mike's pics with Moome's new card in the loop or is he just happy he has his new copy of the FE?....lol

No. JBJR has the new card up in Pa. Mike has an HD Fury w/o the auxiliary power supply. As he says, the HD Fury needs the aux power supply. I have an extra HD Fury I will let him mod to take the aux PS (he can't rip the one apart he has because he borrowed it).. He already modded my other one. The mod is simply hard wiring a 5v power supply since no one seems to have the correct plug for the jack.

Mark, you're on a roll, Man! :D

Same ending?

rofl!

Btw, postman left me a notice today that I have a package waiting. Hopefully it's the Moome, or maybe MP has left me an early present. :)

Mark: "My day with Moome & LuLu"

MP;

You have permission to mod the HDFury, to wire in a 5v power supply, to see if it makes a difference.

William

William. It makes a difference. He already did it to mine and when he went back to using yours he said something like it was unwatchabe in comparison. I noticed the difference immediately having one without the hard wired power supply to compare it with.

I like Moome. He promptly emailed me requesting the details of my order and whether I had paid already. I sent him the email dates of payment yada yada and he emailed me back this morning that he found the records and payment and that my unit (with gamma and remote) would ship this weekend or Monday. So I will have it by the end of next week. MP will be staying at my house on Friday before the Chicago mini meet (I'm fairly close to the airport and we have an EARLY morning flight and this way we only have to take and leave one car at the airport), so we should have time fri evening net week to play with it assuming my slot two works. It is not presently working with my spare RGBHV input card. Hopefully MP can get the slot operational on next Friday. We will be substituting some other boards in my Marquee to see if a board defect is causing the banding I am having at 1080p. No banding at 720p. MP is getting no banding at 1080pwith his 8500 ultra.

MP;

You have permission to mod the HDFury, to wire in a 5v power supply, to see if it makes a difference.

William

Done!

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MP, did adding the 5v external power supply reduce or eliminate the white clipping problem?

William

MP, did adding the 5v external power supply reduce or eliminate the white clipping problem?

William

I can't say for sure, because I was not able to A/B.

somehow the addition of the power supply seems to increase the gain or punch.

I'm thinking the clipping is related to the color space (I prefer to use pedestals). And with a DVI to HDMI connection color space issues are quite possible. And that's what makes the new Moome device so appealing.

DVI itself have some problem, like black crash, due to 16-235 color range, so i moving to HDMI, HDMI support both 0-255 and 16-235 color range.

Now you guys, particulary MP, are losing me and it. While a generated HDMI signal would have a slightly different color range (the steps from 0-255 or 16-235) steps do not define color space. Or do they?

In any event, suppose you have an HDMI coming from your source, 0 to 255 or whatever it is. If you change it (the HDMI end to a DVI-D connector) (unlike me a passive change), it will not change the signal. It will still be the same color space. It will still be whatever it was originally.

I find it amazing those screenshots are providing so much detail in such a small picture size. And it's like someone multiplied the color pallete by 10.

Btw, my card came in on Tuesday and I signed for it today.

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Good work, MOOME! Thank you!!!!

Eddie you suck but congrats anyway :D Just curious, did you pre-pay a long time ago or? I'm wondering if moome is shipping in order of first paid first served?

I got a tracking number from Moome anyone know how to track the package?

I got a tracking number from Moome anyone know how to track the package?

Here you go:

http://221.169.10.62/track.htm

Just follow the instructions.

I pre-paid a long time ago and he temporarily couldn't find the payment record. He did find it rsther quickly when I gave him the dates of payment. Remember he is only going to do 50 of these card. My guess is that he assembles them adding the gamma and ir as needed. My guess is that he will have caught up with all pre-orders shortly.

Here you go:

http://221.169.10.62/track.htm

Just follow the instructions.

Thanks Frank very helpfull should have the card tommorow

Dragan, I was probably one of the first five or so people to pay! Both times (depo & full payment).

Yeah, I was right there with you Eddie!

Anyone in Canada get theirs yet? I paid my deposit on Mar 29(balance paid June12)

I am waiting to hear from Moome aswell. Made 3 payments so far!! I am fortunately in less of a hurry then most, so wait I will.

Of course she did! This is a connecting device honey, not an upgrade. A lot lot cheaper than an upgrade. It enables me to see all the new stuff without upgrading.

3 Payments!!!...You must be on the rent to own plan!....lol

Just asked moome about my two cards, he replieed with in 15 minutes and they shipped out today and he gave me a tracking number!!!!! woo hoooo! now just wondering how long the EMS takes? anyone know?

Athanasios

EMS info is available on the USPS website. It's about 5-7 business days, at the most.

3 Payments!!!...You must be on the rent to own plan!....lol


No just making the best of the exchange rates.... :D :D

I emailed Moome earlier today so i am waiting to hear what he has to say. I ordered mine fully optioned so those may be the last to ship. Unfortunately i don't have much pull around here and i refuse to type in huge fonts so i will wait patiently.

I have not had a comms problem with Moome yet. Received mail from him yesterday and asked him what my balance for payment was, to which he replied with the question of which model I was ordering.

So , since I am playing the waiting game as far as the HD/BR is concerned, not decided yet, it is a moot point in rushing for the card. I am not really a gamer but the option of having both abilities is attractive.

Reading the HD/BR forums are rather one sided, dependant on what system the member has. He will always choose the system he has , either or, if they have both , that would be the better opinion to mull over.

Here is another point....BR seems to have the most newer releases but I'm sure the studios will want to jump on both as sales is the deciding factor.

Who know???

All models are shipping. I have one coming with gamma and remote and he said it would ship by Monday. He mislaid my order and payment, he then found it when I gave him the payment dates. My guess he has the basic cards all finished and just adds the options and ships.

Reading the HD/BR forums are rather one sided, dependant on what system the member has. He will always choose the system he has , either or, if they have both , that would be the better opinion to mull over.

I have the LG player and love it and cant wait to see 1080p directly out put to my lumagen. Also some time this fall samsung i belive is coming out with thier combo player for 1059.00 estimate. i hope to have saved enough by then and try that one out too . i like both formatts and really dont care who wins since i just want the most HD content i can get my hands on ! I hope they both continue to have success! maybe this competition will cause either camp to bring out titles that have been long forgotten by even standard Dvd.

Athanasios

Does anyone know if Moome's email address still works? I used the one from his site.(seed.net.tw)

Yep, thats the address i recieved my e-mail from yesterday.

Athanasios

Well you guys are special then cause i never get a reply here or on Curts site.
But thats ok...i'll be patient and behave here from now on.
Good things come to those that wait and thats what my wife tells me.
She promised me something special and she said soon as well!

Good things come to those that wait and thats what my wife tells me.


Usually true.



She promised me something special and she said soon as well!


But in this case I would be very worried. :D

For everyone that didn't get a tracking number do not worry to much . I never even got a conformation of payment recieved , or tracking number , or anything but a palpal money sent notice . Then today the package arrived with no notice . It was a advanced with gamma and remote . so more to come I am sure .

Just so you know $35 downpayment was March 30 th , And total payment completed July 7 th . I was however on the first preorder list since Dec 06 . If you didn't know most Asian products are processed through Anchorage Alaska so I might have the time advantage there .

Well on friday he Told me they shipped out on Saturday i got a notice from the post office i missed a package, i thought it was a set of blue tooth head set i ordered....NOPE it was my 2 VIM-HD cards! Just went to the post office and got them! Will instal one in the one projector i have later and report back.

PS: mine are the top models gamma and remote.

Athanasios

I just got mine yesterday! All I can say is WOW!
Sharpness is better!
Grayscale is better! (even without using the gamma adjustment!)
Grayscale, low level shadow details and fade to black are fantastic! (using the gamma adjustment!)
I am now using a gamma adjustment from the Lumagen HDP and the Moome card at the same time!!!
Thank you Moome!!!

Is there a benifit to using the moome gamma over the Lumagen gamma adjustment? I am not sure whether to order mine with or without as I intend to run everything through the Lumagen.

For those thinking about ordering Moome's Sony IFB-HD card I ordered mine this past weekend. I followed up my order with an email to Moome asking him to confirm my order and when he thought it might ship. Moome responded the next day and indicated that he was shipping mine this weekend. So, it looks like Moome is shipping new orders in about a week. I'll hold onto this happy thought and let people know how it turns out. With overseas mailing I'm hoping to have mine no later than than 8/18 and a recalibrated ken w. system shortly thereafter. I ordered the "high end" model (gamma control), but I'm still trying to decide whether to go hdmi source > lumagen hdppro>g90 via a 25-30 ft. dvi/hdmi cable or just go from hdmi sources directly to the g90 with a 25-30ft hdmi cable. Any expert thoughts or first hand experience with Moome's newest card in combo with a dvi/hdmi cable most appreciated. Need to order my 25-30 ft. cable soon! Leaning towards a blue jeans cable.

I have a Marquee 8500 with Mike Parker V2 mods.
My sources are: Toshiba XA1 HD DVD, PS3, and Sky HD satelite receiver all connected via HDMI to the Lumagen and then sending one cable from the Lumagen to the Moome card.
My cable is a 7meter DVI to DVI. I am using a DVI to HDMI adaptor to connect to the Moome card. My cable and adaptor are made by Oelbach. It is a German company, and I don't know if it available in the US.
I am using a modified gamma curve from the Lumagen and a small additional adjustment from the Moome card. The result is fantastic. There is no black crush and fade to black is awesome. I am sure that your G90 will look fantastic.
Here are the values I am using on the Lumagen:

LUMA CORR
0 0
10 20
20 31
30 40
40 48.5
50 57
60 66
70 74.5
80 83
90 92
100 100

I got these from another AVS forum member. Using these and a slight extra correction from the Moome card you will be able to lower the brighness setting on the G90 so much that you will have a complete fade to black and maintain all shadow detail.

Napos, if i ever make it to athens on my next trip to Greece i'd love to see you set up, I am looking into getting the MP mods as well in the near future.

now i Have Question: Any one using an LG Multiblue BH100 dual format player with the moome card? I cant get it to Output 1080p it has 720p and 1080i only going to the lumagen i havnt tried it yet direct connect since i only want to use the lumagen as my main switcher. My Lumagen has the edid set to pass. anything else i should look for?

Athanasios

The LG only outputs 1080p@24Hz. That is why your CRT cannot sync with that frequency. If you send the signal to the Lumagen, you can then output 1080p@48Hz, which your projector will sync to.

Nicholas

P.S. You are welcome to come by whenever you are in Greece!

My Moome card arrived today without notice. Looks like someone hit the box with a sledge hammer!. Case to remote slightly scratched, no big deal. Some of the electrolytic caps on board werebent, bent them back. Looks OK. Will test tonight.

CRTs are a fun sport! Unlike one other you can't get some sexually transmitted disease or make her pregnant!

Found out what i have to do, i need to dnow load the latest software for the lumgen to accept 1080p24 Thanks Nikos!

Athanasios

I received mine a couple of days ago. Haven't had time to play with it yet.

Looks like everyone should be getting their's soon!

Mark Haflich came by today with his Moome card and the BBC Video "Planet Earth" Bru-Ray 4 disc set.

I've had the Moome card in the Marquee for a little over an hour. It has the gamma version with remote.

After an initial viewing, I removed the gamma board from the card.

So far, the Moome card brings out the low end very well. I now see what JBJR was telling me over the phone. It does some other things very well, but until I'm able to check things out later in a darker room, I'll then have a better feel for what I'm seeing

And from the looks of the board, it's not using the SIL chip, unless it's a different version of the chip.

Depth and detail from this card at 1080P is amazing.

I'll post back later with a few screenshots from "Planet Earth"

After an initial viewing, I removed the gamma board from the card.



Hello MP

I just wondered what the reason for removing the gamma board from Moome's card was. As I have read in other posts, is it due to your neckboard mods and there is no requirement for gamma adjustment?
I know your mods are genius, and I also wondered whether the Marquee stock tubes (DMB***) needed replacing to be able to fully resolve 1080p along with your mods, or will they suffice?

MG

Hello MP

I just wondered what the reason for removing the gamma board from Moome's card was. As I have read in other posts, is it due to your neckboard mods and there is no requirement for gamma adjustment?
I know your mods are genius, and I also wondered whether the Marquee stock tubes (DMB***) needed replacing to be able to fully resolve 1080p along with your mods, or will they suffice?

MG

I removed the gamma board on this card for two reasons initially. First, I wanted to see if the extra circuitry (gamma board), would have any effect on the image other than gamma.

Second, I'm not really into this gamma thing, unless it's just a slight increase, or it's the kind of gamma cure that would not effect the overall IRE window.

The mods are both neck boards and VIM. In 8500 Ultra (non LC). It has two regular CRT's, which are the red and green. But the blue is different and was not with the red and green when I put them in. It does far better with the bandwidth test. It's a much later make of their regular 8" CRT's.

I knoe VDC now has high resolution tubes. I only wish i could get my hands on a set for my 8500.

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so Mike, spill it!

Fury or Moome :D

-Gary

so Mike, spill it!

Fury or Moome :D

-Gary

I'm still looking at the Moome for now..;)




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Hi Mike,

Why are they 4:3 ratio?

Curious, your screen shots look like 4:3 AR, are the images cropped?

They do look great though...Is that blu-ray disk, film or video based?


EDIT: WTS you beat me to the punch.

Mike

Wow, for a second I thought these were printscreens!

The DVD is BBC "Planet Earth" which is a 16:9 Video (from HD camera) transfer. And that's based on what I'm seeing on the case.

The camera is close to the screen (not capturing the full screen), therefore missing both sides of the screen.

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The DVD is BBC "Planet Earth" which is a 16:9 Video (from HD camera) transfer. And that's based on what I'm seeing on the case.

The camera is close to the screen (not capturing the full screen), therefore missing both sides of the screen.

WOW that really changes things.

Does the analog track layout on Moome Gen 2 look better? Gen 1 analog looked like it was designed without much analog consideration.

Mike

WOW that really changes things

We've had the camera setup on the tripod further away from the screen unitl not long ago. most of my screenshots in the last month or so have been closer to the screen.

The following shot shows where I had the camera before. the tops of my speakers are shown on both sides of the screen.

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Does the analog track layout on Moome Gen 2 look better? Gen 1 analog looked like it was designed without much analog consideration.

Mike

I've yet to look at it, but that was my same impression of the first card. I'll be looking at the 2 versions tomorrow. Hopefully, it'll be different.

I bought the discs, lent them to MP before I viewed them, and ARGHH, I first get to see them on screen shots.

OK. I bought the Moome card but it wouldn't work in my slot two. Something is wrong with the switching to slot two on my VIM. MP says he will fix it tomorrow. So I lent it to MP too, and now I get to see it work ARGHHHARDH CHOKE CHOKE through screen shots.

Screen shots are for basketball games. AHGG

Oh these look really good. I am so glad I waited for the mk2 :)

I havent got my card yet.. I expect its sitting in Cutoms and Excise while they think of a price to add to it for duty. I expect it could be another week and we have a postal strike too :rolleyes:

When it arrives my Vision 1 is going to get a total factory reset and mechanical/electrical setup.. that should keep 'her' moaning about dots and lines for another couple of months :D

I have also ordered the latest obligitory 5th E on Blu-Ray

Has anyone else ordered from England I wonder?

If you want to add something really nice to your Blu-ray collection (not sure if on HD-DVD). Get the BBC Planet Earth set.

I'll have to look at things with the HDMI Moome card a little more later. But for now, I'm seeing something with this card, that's freaking me out (in a good way).

There's a lot of really good things about this card. But the one that really sticks out to me is it's very dynamic. I mean I've tried my best to not see the top end flake out as is usual with digital to analog conversion. For the first time, I'm seeing that whole upper end of the range shown in a way I've never seen it before. Not sure if the Planet Earth DVD is playing the biggest part there, and that's why I'm hoping to spend more time with it.

BBC Planet Earth - two thumbs way up!

MP. You will get to see it tonight on a fully MP tricked out 9 incher assuming the VIM board repair man gets slot two on my VIM fixed. :)

I was turned off of buying the Planet set because I don't believe in global warming and frankly I'm tired of hearing about, or I should say I don't believe in the BS reasons some people say it's happening

anyway, I am going to have to buy this now, thanks for making me spend 60$ Mike :p

now i'm excited over the future release of the XG card

yes Mike, it's on HD-DVD also ;)

-Gary

Simon Ellis an AVSer from CT, strongly recommended that I buy the set with the English narrator instead on Ms. Weaver, the narrator on the USA version.

Now MP's's recommendation has nothing to do with the audio! Dollars to a zillion donuts he hasn't even heard the audio. To get an audio review you go to Steve B (of course, whoops, Steve B doesn't have an HD or Blu Ray player because his Dwin can't support 1080p) Remember, THANK GOD, screen shots just don't do the audio on anything justice.

I was turned off of buying the Planet set because I don't believe in global warming and frankly I'm tired of hearing about, or I should say I don't believe in the BS reasons some people say it's happening


I don't want to go into a global warming discussion now (though it is a topic worth thinking about), as there are better places for this.
To encourage you Gary: I think this topic is not even mentioned once in the whole series of BBC planet earth. Its simply a great view!

Daniel.

Thanks Daniel, I had read a review of this series that said it tried to scientificly prove Global Warming etc. etc., so I thought it may be a preachy tree hugging piece on that, glad to hear it isn't, I am buying for sure ;)

thanks :)

-Gary

Now MP's's recommendation has nothing to do with the audio!

Audio, it has audio..:eek:

Yep, your right. It has Dolby Digital right on the case..

Gary. I ordered it from Amazon with their free 5 to 8 day shipping and it came in 2 days.

Amazon rules ;) I have prime also and just about everything ships from Lexington so I get all orders overnite for free :)

-Gary

I was turned off of buying the Planet set because I don't believe in global warming and frankly I'm tired of hearing about, or I should say I don't believe in the BS reasons some people say it's happeningWell I disagree with you about global warming, but I definitely agree with you about being tired of hearing about it. Too much preaching in educational TV. I get sick of the "nature's good, man is the root of all evil" theme that's so prevalent now days. Just tell me about the rare Appalachian Toothless Hillbilly crawfish and keep all the political crap to yourself.

I've got a couple of questions that have been bothering me for awhile, and I've seen some similiar references in this thread. I wasn't sure what forum to ask it in, but all the experts seem to be here, and I think it's relevant to this thread.

I've spent years tweaking my Ampro 4600, and it's finally looking so good that I want to put some new equipment in the video path to feed it the best video signal possible. I would like to start with a new Moome (external model in my case) and work backwards.

I've seen many comments about the Moome being a "10 bit" device. I know that the Moome uses 10 bit DAC for analog output, but if I'm reading his specs correctly (not easy), it's also setup for a 10 bit HDMI input. I understand that refers to a 10 bit per pixel color pipeline, which gives 1024 possible shades of gray (1.1 billion colors) as compared to the old 8 bit DVI path using 256 shade of gray (16.7 million colors). I also thought that 10 bit color is a feature only in HDMI 1.3, which the Moome is not spec'd for.

I've resolved myself to getting a video processor of some sort to feed the Moome. I don't see needing a processor so much for scaling, but mostly for adjusting the porches for optimum image display. I would hope to be able to do the scaling via a high end Reon chip (or whatever) in a player or receiver, then just use the video processor to do basic adjustments that I can't do at the projector. I don't know if it's possible to just pass a scaled image thru a processor.

Anyway, it looks like the Lumagen HDP offers the biggest bang for the buck right now, and I've seen quite a few mentions in this thread about Lumagens feeding the Moome card. I've studied the Lumagen HDP info but it makes no mention of 10 bit scaling. It does talk about 10 bit DAC analog outs, which is not what I'm looking for. The Lumagen Radiance literature, on the other hand, makes much of "10 bit processing". By all that I assume the HDP is just a DVI 8 bit pipeline output device?

Can someone kindly clear up this 10 bit issue for me? If the Moome still uses an 8 bit input, how is it better than my old Moome unit. I understand the black "crash" issue.

Thanks a lot,
Ray

If you want to add something really nice to your Blu-ray collection (not sure if on HD-DVD). Get the BBC Planet Earth set.

I'll have to look at things with the HDMI Moome card a little more later. But for now, I'm seeing something with this card, that's freaking me out (in a good way).

There's a lot of really good things about this card. But the one that really sticks out to me is it's very dynamic. I mean I've tried my best to not see the top end flake out as is usual with digital to analog conversion. For the first time, I'm seeing that whole upper end of the range shown in a way I've never seen it before. Not sure if the Planet Earth DVD is playing the biggest part there, and that's why I'm hoping to spend more time with it.

BBC Planet Earth - two thumbs way up!

Thanks for the heads up Mike. Just ordered the GB version from fleabay at £45 including delivery which I thought was a good price for rip-off Britain.

Just tell me about the rare Appalachian Toothless Hillbilly crawfish

:confused:

-Gary

I was turned off of buying the Planet set because I don't believe in global warming and frankly I'm tired of hearing about, or I should say I don't believe in the BS reasons some people say it's happening
-Gary
this from the guy who leaves every appliance in his house turned on 24 hours a day, why am I not surprised?

Just tell me about the rare Appalachian Toothless Hillbilly crawfish and keep all the political crap to yourself.:confused:

-GaryPlanet Earth, episode #5. MP should have screen shots soon. :D

PS: I think you misread my post Gary. That wasn't directed at you or anyone else. It was just an in general comment. An attempt at humor. If anything, I was agreeing with you.

One thing i Noticed with the Moome card in my 8000 was how low i had to turn my brightness down( from 44 to 21) to get the colors correct and not be washed out. At first i was like hey ! Where are my inky blacks ! then lowered the brightness and said wow ! , where did all that shadow detail come from ! Havnt spend much time tweeking it yet but so far i love it ! still have to update the lumagen software to get the full 1080p.

Athansios

I've seen many comments about the Moome being a "10 bit" device. I know that the Moome uses 10 bit DAC for analog output, but if I'm reading his specs correctly (not easy), it's also setup for a 10 bit HDMI input. I understand that refers to a 10 bit per pixel color pipeline, which gives 1024 possible shades of gray (1.1 billion colors) as compared to the old 8 bit DVI path using 256 shade of gray (16.7 million colors). I also thought that 10 bit color is a feature only in HDMI 1.3, which the Moome is not spec'd for.I haven't followed this, but it seems I recall someone saying that for our application 10 bit has no advantage over 8 bit. Maybe the source material is only 8 bit? I don't recall. I'm interested in hearing the answer to this.

Planet Earth, episode #5. MP should have screen shots soon. :D

PS: I think you misread my post Gary. That wasn't directed at you or anyone else. It was just an in general comment. An attempt at humor. If anything, I was agreeing with you.

no I didn't take it that way, I was generally confused with that :p

-Gary

video processors for one have a true 10-bit path, such as the DVDO VP50, they do scaling, conversions, picture tweaks, greyscale/gamma adjustments etc. in a 10-bit path from input to output, this is why I am so interested in getting a device that can accept the 10-bit YPbPr HDMI output of the VP50

here is a quote from Kris Deering at the secrets of home theater forum:

HDMI can carry 10 bit video outputs and there are plenty of DVD players that do it. Yes, DVD is inherently 8 bit, but the video processing in some DVD players is 10 bit, and the difference is noticeable on better displays. 10 bit processing will alleviate or completely negate contouring and banding in the luminance and chroma channels. Most consumer digital displays are currently only 8 bit so you may or may not see the end benefit. My display is 12 bit and the difference is huge.

-Gary

Thanks Daniel, I had read a review of this series that said it tried to scientificly prove Global Warming etc. etc., so I thought it may be a preachy tree hugging piece on that, glad to hear it isn't, I am buying for sure ;)

thanks :)

-Gary

I've watched a couple of episodes on one of Time Warners HD channels. Never once did I get the impression that it was about planet warming. This is actually the first I've even heard of it in regards to the DVDs.

But let me tell you this. I am not an "animal planet" or "discovery channel" freak. But I was captivated... stuck to my seat, while watching these epsidodes. It was just really well done, a visual exctasy and at least a 7 on the entertainment scale. I'll definately buy the whole set at some point!

I don't think I'll watch it 20 times like Star Wars though. But it would definately be the first thing I pick out when it's time to show off my projector to interested people.

video processors for one have a true 10-bit path, such as the DVDO VP50, they do scaling, conversions, picture tweaks, greyscale/gamma adjustments etc. in a 10-bit path from input to output, this is why I am so interested in getting a device that can accept the 10-bit YPbPr HDMI output of the VP50

-Gary

Gary - I share your concern about everything being 10 bit compatible. I read that 10 bits (1.1 billion colors) is at the limit of the eye's ability to discern color differences. It's definitely a huge improvement over 8 bit.

It looks like you are correct about the VP50. I looked in the VP50 Owners manual and it does state:

"The HDMI digital video output can output the following signal types:
- RGB 4:4:4 (8-bit, DVI standard)
- YCbCr 4:2:2 (10-bit)
- YCbCr 4:4:4 (8 bit)

My original question was in regards to whether the Lumagen HDP will do the same thing. I still can't find anything in their literature to confirm 10 bit operation.

I saw a WideScreen Review July 2006 review of the Lumagen HDP that stated: "The DVI output can be configured to produce digital RGB Video or PC levels, but not YCbCr digital video".

I also saw in their software download area that in April 2006 "a 10 bit datapath" firmware change had been implemented, but I'm not sure what that means.

I'm hoping a Lumagen owner will check in.

Gary - I share your concern about everything being 10 bit compatible. I read that 10 bits (1.1 billion colors) is at the limit of the eye's ability to discern color differences. It's definitely a huge improvement over 8 bit.

It looks like you are correct about the VP50. I looked in the VP50 Owners manual and it does state:

"The HDMI digital video output can output the following signal types:
- RGB 4:4:4 (8-bit, DVI standard)
- YCbCr 4:2:2 (10-bit)
- YCbCr 4:4:4 (8 bit)

My original question was in regards to whether the Lumagen HDP will do the same thing. I still can't find anything in their literature to confirm 10 bit operation.

I saw a WideScreen Review July 2006 review of the Lumagen HDP that stated: "The DVI output can be configured to produce digital RGB Video or PC levels, but not YCbCr digital video".

I also saw in their software download area that in April 2006 "a 10 bit datapath" firmware change had been implemented, but I'm not sure what that means.

I'm hoping a Lumagen owner will check in.


Ray, I think that the Lumagens were updated for 10-bit path, I am not fimiliar with them enough to know, but I think that is the case, however the DVI output would confuse things, someone that knows about them will have to answer that Ray ;)

nice to hear from you, haven't seen you around here in forever dude :)

-Gary

Hey thanks Gary,

I still lurk here a lot trying to keep up with you guys. I get frustrated at times that after being here in the forum for over 7 years, and spending an obsessive amount of time on this hobby, that I can't seem to get my arms around it. There'a always something new to try to keep up with.

I've been following your posts about the new Integra 9.8 pre-pro. After a lot of research, I think I'm going to wait out the audio upgrade until things settle out. I can't wait to hear your impressions of the unit when you get your hands on it.

Ray

Ray, your welcome :)

I would be glad to post some comments, I have no audio in my HT right now so I am eagerly awaiting that unit :mad: , I should hopefully have it within 2 weeks from now

-Gary

Planet Earth is a spectacular series. I saw it (or rather ripped it) on Discovery HD but I'm quite sure that BluRay or HD DVD would be even better just for the lack of compression artifacts.
Some of the making of Planet Earth they showed on Discovery HD was also pretty unreal. Like the capturing on camera (for the first time I believe) a Snow Leopard in the wild. For three years they kept returning from time to time with a camerman to this little makeshift hut in the middle of nowhere trying to film a Snow Leopard that had been reported by locals. Never saw her, till the last day (they were scheduled to leave and give up) when she showed up w/ her cub. If you saw the Mountains episode you saw the rest of the footage they got. Amazing!! The camara man was so taken that not only did he get the footage well framed, but it was all in focus, that he broke down and started crying.

Terry

I still lurk here a lot trying to keep up with you guys. I get frustrated at times that after being here in the forum for over 7 years, and spending an obsessive amount of time on this hobby, that I can't seem to get my arms around it. There'a always something new to try to keep up with. Ray I would just likwe to point out that if there was never anything new to keep up with then it wouldn't be much of a hobby :D
I was feeling kind of left out of this thread but I would just like to jump in and say I GT MY MOOME CARD yesterday YAYYYY. :cool: Only problem is I have nothing here to plug into the card :(

If you saw the Mountains episode you saw the rest of the footage they got. Amazing!! The camara man was so taken that not only did he get the footage well framed, but it was all in focus, that he broke down and started crying.
Terry that's cool, I find that as I get older I cry more often and fight with my wife less, not sure of that's a good thing? :confused: :D

Spent some more time with setting up my LG BH100, to a Lumagen HDQ, then to my moome card. All I can say is WOW! After i finally got my LG to output 1080p24 then set my lumagen to input it set genlock to on, edid to dflt + ext, and set my out put on the lumagen to 1080p24sf. I had to really shift the image and resize it using the lumagen pos and size options to get it centerd. Then reconverged the marquee using the lumagens grid pattern. Put on 300 that i watched earlier in the day with the lg out putting 1080i to the moome and the lumagen set to 1080p60 output. i thought was looking great. But after my final set up it was like wow the 3d effect was really there like never before! i then started to put on other discs, aeon flux, crank, house of flying daggers and blood diamond. wow evrything looked awesome! Great colors crisper image and great shadow details even with out tweeking gamma yet ! I wanted to recheck my over scan so i went into the test patterns in the lumagen and as i scrolled past the evry other horizontal line pattern i actually saw them at 1080p ! before they were blurred together barely visable as individual lines but now i can see each line seperately , still not as crisp as the evry other vertical line pattern but still they were seperate ! I cant wait till i add MP mods to this !

Over all the card looked way better than i expected. for those of you waiting you are in for a treat !

Moome keep up the good work !

Athanasios

PS. I'll add some screen shots soon going to bed now.

Installed Moome card with gamma in input slot B ( never used) of my G90, I was/am running Theatersync 1080P output RGBHV into slot C and that is how the G90 was calibrated, and now new HDMI out to Slot B.

I am getting dark banding and the G90 see's the HDMI input in slot B as a new memory.

Do I need to install the Moome card in slot C?

Is there an easy way to copy Input memories from slot C to slot B?

Lastly am I correct that the banding is a matter of slot B not having a Input memory for 1080P?

Nevermind I just needed to adjust the Clamp to H/C in input B, card working like a charm

PS. I'll add some screen shots soon going to bed now.

Athan, make sure you include my SDI Denon 1600 in those ;)

-Gary

Gary, Will do but i just went out and bought three movies! Dead mans Chest on blu-ray and two HD-DVDS Casablanca, And the Good Shepherd. I still have to set up the PJ for it now and for my Dish Network box. but have been having to much fun watching clips at 1080p24 on a basicly unmoded Marquee 8000. I have been trying very hard to look for the steaking ( lighter bands like an aurora borialis across the screen) issues I had when running the PJ with 1080p into RGBHV. With the moome card its not there !!! Or i'm just so immersed in the added details that i'm missing it ! But honestly this card has been great so far. i got two of them so i might pull the one i have in and put the other card in to see how consistent the cards are made. i have the second for the future blend or stack i plan, so its not for sale ! :D .

Athanasios

New Moome Card inserted yesterday. Had old Moome DVI card running HDMI cord to HDMI-DVI adapter to card. New card with gamma correction without adapter is for some reason far superior. Best images from HDNET, HBO, etc. are far cleaner and much more three dimensional. With the gamma adjust, can turn down brightness control on Vantage processor from 46 to 40 to get an optimal image spreading out the black end of the band.
Thank you Moome for a job well done. Anybody want the old Moome card with DVI input for $150?

Bill

For the sake of completeness for you Lumagen + Moome owners, I've attached the email response I got back from Jim Peterson at Lumagen regarding my earlier question in this thread about Lumagen 10 bit operation.

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The input resolution on the Vision series is 8-bits. This is not an issue in my opinion since the consumer video formats are 8-bits -- and in fact with compression have a signal to noise ratio of less than 8-bits. So, an 8-bit input captures all the information in these sources. The 8-bit input is stored internally at 8-bits in our Vision series frame buffer, but after that the processing is 10-bits (in all Vision series products except the VisionDVI which has 8-bit processing).

The internal DAC is a 10-bit DAC. However, the DVI-D output is 8-bit RGB. We dither the internally generated 10-bit data to 8-bits. Dithering is a way to make 8-bit look nearly as good as 10-bit. With CRT projectors, with their slightly overlapping spot size, this provides an exceptional image. Dithering varies the intensity by adding a fractional value to neighboring pixels so that when you average the area of the pixel and the contribution of its adjacent neighbor pixel the average can represent a value with higher than 8-bits of precision. I think you would find it difficult to tell the difference between using our internal 10-bit DAC and an external 8-bit DVI DAC driving your CRT projector because of the dithering in the DVI-D output.

For reference, the new Radiance series has a 10-bit pipeline from input to output.

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I think you will be very happy using the VisionHDP to drive the Moome card. We have a number of people doing this already.

Let us know if you have other questions.

Cheers.

Jim Peterson

Woohoo it's here! Monday, was supposed to be organising stock from my suppliers - out the window. Card arrived at 09:30 and was in and running by 10:00 with basic convergence. Wow that's all I can say - been glued to my Vision1 now for 6 hours non-stop with it hooked up to my cable HD stream, which I have had for 8 months on subscription but not had a display device to view it on.. In England HD is a new thing, only being available over here for about 6 months now. What can I say? Outstanding. Well and truly worth the wait.

I have a lot of tweaking to do and a lot of reading to enable me to get the results I want. This card makes Normal media look like HD and HD is breathtaking. Of all the mods I have ever bought this is the best bang for buck I have spent.

Moome thankyou very much :)

Received my Moome card today. Came home for lunch to do quick install and view. Without any tweaking yet I would say this card is much better than the old DVI one.

Viewing Marquee 8000 on 119" screen with HD-DVD, PS3 BluRay, FIOS TV HD, Directv HD, and Computer (the writing under the icons is now crisp and not blurry, wow!!!).

Can't wait to actually spend some time and do a convergence with new card.

Thanks Moome!

Some screen shots, a little camera shake next time i'll try the timer.

http://homepage.mac.com/nashou.66/.Pictures/Crank%20HDMI.jpg


http://homepage.mac.com/nashou.66/.Pictures/Crank%202%20HDMI.jpg


http://homepage.mac.com/nashou.66/.Pictures/Cassablanca%20HDMI.jpg


Now some SDi shots for gary @960p

http://homepage.mac.com/nashou.66/.Pictures/Lost%20Ark%20SDI.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/nashou.66/.Pictures/Lost%20Ark%205%20SDI.jpg


http://homepage.mac.com/nashou.66/.Pictures/Lost%20Ark%202%20SDI.jpg

Now these all go through the lumagen HDQ to the moome card. The SD DVD's are a SDI modded Dennon 1600 .
Like most screen shots looks better in person, I cant wait to save some $$$ for MP mods.

Athanasios

I am now running the Moome card into my 9500LC ultra with the latest extreme MP mods all fed by the Radiance. Need to recalibrate the projector though. More later in the week.

looks very good Athan, those would be killer screenshots if you had a camera on a tripod and used the timer, you can really see something good in those SDI shots, plenty detail ;)

I can't wait for one of these things for my 1352, not that the current DVI one I have is bad, but from what I am hearing this new HDMI card is another level above that

-Gary

looks very good Athan, those would be killer screenshots if you had a camera on a tripod and used the timer, you can really see something good in those SDI shots, plenty detail ;)

I can't wait for one of these things for my 1352, not that the current DVI one I have is bad, but from what I am hearing this new HDMI card is another level above that

-Gary

the XG HDMI should out after EXT-HD box! timing is the issue!

This card rocks ! Just got my new version of 5th element in the mail. WOW !

Moome Thanks ! this card is worth the wait !

Athanasios

My HDMI stopped working. Could be the long HDMI cable went south at the source end. Updated my Radiance (so R and R the HDMI cables). Everything stopped working. Including directly connecting the Bluray to the Moome via the long HDMI cable. Getting no H or V sync at my Marquee. Either the cable or Moome went south. What does it mean when all three LEDs are lit on the Moome? What is lit normally when one is successfully using the HDMI in?

While watching my moome all three are lit.
I just noticed from an earlier post you also have the new MP moded vim. did you try rgbhv cables from the lumagen to the vim? It might be the vim.
I hope its the cable Mark .

Athanasios

I have an HDMI cable tester from Etheryle at my store. The cable tested fine.

Well all is back and working through the HD Fury on slot one. Either slot 2 is kaput on my VIM or the Moome went south. Parker took the gamma board off and I reinstalled it and zeroed out the pot. Never tested so perhaps RR of the gamma board or setting the pot screwed it up. I'll figure it out soon.

Mark:

Please let us know the outcome

More screenshots taking with that wonderful Moome card..:)

Blue Planet on Blu Ray -> Moome HDMI -> lowly 8500 /1080P
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Hi Mike. Is that my card working or the other one?

O.K. I give up. Moome's web site shows jumper settings for this card. I must be blind because I can't find them.:confused: I just wanted make sure that they are right.

Hi,

I've had an IFB-HD Advanced model, (without IR Remote) installed in my G70 since August 10th. The picture from a Toshiba A2 playing HD-DVD via HDMI is very impressive accept for slightly crushed blacks being apparent in some scenes. Recently I’ve tried turning the gamma trim pot ~ 10 turns in both directions while displaying a vertical gray step pattern from the AVIA DVD and it didn’t seem to have any effect. Most certainly not the dramatic effect as shown in Moome's video.

Am I missing something or could there be something wrong with the card?

Thanks,
Doug

Mike, how about some of that friggin amazing Fifth Element remaster BD ? ;)

-Gary

That re-master is sort of like doing a instant mod but it also makes me wonder why they cant do all of them like that. Doug

Mike, how about some of that friggin amazing Fifth Element remaster BD ? ;)

-Gary

Ok, but for now. How 'bout a few Planet Earth "Caves"


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Here ya go Gary. I took a quick few for you. You can consider these and the previous ones to be Super Sharp 1080P..:D


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there we go ;)

thanks Mike, I am dying for the Moome XG card and this doesn't help :(

-Gary

Hi,

I've had an IFB-HD Advanced model, (without IR Remote) installed in my G70 since August 10th. The picture from a Toshiba A2 playing HD-DVD via HDMI is very impressive accept for slightly crushed blacks being apparent in some scenes. Recently I’ve tried turning the gamma trim pot ~ 10 turns in both directions while displaying a vertical gray step pattern from the AVIA DVD and it didn’t seem to have any effect. Most certainly not the dramatic effect as shown in Moome's video.

Am I missing something or could there be something wrong with the card?

Thanks,
Doug
I was wondering the same thing as blacks are very crushed. Very poor shadow detail in 1080i Has anyone tried 960p x 800. The scan lines in 1080i really bug me. Or is 110in too wide for the 8500, thereby causing too much picture stretch which results in the gaps between the lines being too visible. Sorry I am just guessing at this and hope that someone in the know can help.

Mark

I was wondering the same thing as blacks are very crushed. Very poor shadow detail in 1080i Has anyone tried 960p x 800. The scan lines in 1080i really bug me. Or is 110in too wide for the 8500, thereby causing too much picture stretch which results in the gaps between the lines being too visible. Sorry I am just guessing at this and hope that someone in the know can help.

Mark

I dont think its the moome crushing with the marquee its the Hd DVD i belive.
I have noticed some movie transfers in HD-DVD cruch black badly the Mummy movies are one example and a few others. With Blu ray i have not experianced any crushed blacks with the moome card . So I atributed it to HD-dvd. and i use the LG BH100 so its not your Toshiba. Some Hd-DVD's look great with no crush and others have sever crush. Test it with different movies I am curious if it happens with others.

Athanasios

Issues with my moome card any thoughts.

Issues with my moome card any thoughts.

Does your card come with gamma adjustment? Did you try lowering it?

wow, those are some issues alright, have you tried contacting moome via email with your screenshot?

No Gamma adjustment on my card.
I did e-mail moome I hope he answers soon.
I was upgrading from the DVI moome card.
Here is the same shot with the DVI card.

moome received my e-mail and is taking care of it. He is a good man.