http://marketnews.ca/news_detail.asp?nid=2973

http://www.techweb.com/showPressRelease.jhtml?articleID=X628127

pretty much what everybody already knew for months already "blu-ray leads in the u.s.a and pretty much what we also knew hd dvd leads south of the border

http://www.tech.co.uk/martin-james/general/blogs/2007/07/26/blu-ray-looks-set-to-win-the-dvd-format-war

Although it appears we’re inching closer to a potential winner in the format race, it’s still anyone’s game. Recent NPD data indicated that 70 per cent of HD set-top boxes sold south of the border during the months of May and June were of the HD DVD format.

"Purchasing or renting DVDs will continue to be a dominant way for consumers to view content," added Roden. "What has yet to be determined is which format will become the standard, HD DVD or Blu-ray?"

The game's afoot.

Recent NPD data indicated that 70 per cent of HD set-top boxes sold south of the border during the months of May and June were of the HD DVD format.

South of what border? The US border? I seriously have no idea which border they're talking about. Considering the title of the article is "Blu-ray Take the Lead in the U.S." it doesn't make a lot of sense to throw in a sidebar about Mexico. Confused. :confused:

One has to wonder how many HD players are sold south of the border at any rate. I guess HD DVD got 7 of the 10 sold.

South of what border? The US border? I seriously have no idea which border they're talking about. Considering the title of the article is "Blu-ray Take the Lead in the U.S." it doesn't make a lot of sense to throw in a sidebar about Mexico. Confused. :confused:

The first link is to a Canadian site; the Canadian author threw that in. It's not from Parks.

The first link is to a Canadian site; the Canadian author threw that in. It's not from Parks.

Ah. That makes a helluva lot more sense. Thanks.

Also the "south of the border" stastic is the same misleading "set top boxes" (i.e. standalones) that ignores software sales and the PS3.

South of what border? The US border? I seriously have no idea which border they're talking about. Considering the title of the article is "Blu-ray Take the Lead in the U.S." it doesn't make a lot of sense to throw in a sidebar about Mexico. Confused. :confused:

Don't be too confused. See the link... it is a Canadian link. South of the border is US...

Parks link

http://newsroom.parksassociates.com/article_display.cfm?instance_code=parksassociates&article_id=4517

Isn't this the way it has been since pretty much January ?

Isn't this the way it has been since pretty much January ?

Remember nobody uses the PS3 for watching movies, they don't count. :eek: Denon doesn't matter, Blockbuster doesn't matter, Target doesn't matter, Disney doesn't matter. What matters is that the day blu-ray launched, HD-DVD was in the lead and blu-ray had crappy transfers.

Forget everything else you read on here, forgot all the facts and just focus on the above and you'll fit in just fine ;)

Isn't this the way it has been since pretty much January ?

Don't you know you need a research study to confirm what everyone already knows?

Remember nobody uses the PS3 for watching movies, they don't count. :eek: Denon doesn't matter, Blockbuster doesn't matter, Target doesn't matter, Disney doesn't matter. What matters is that the day blu-ray launched, HD-DVD was in the lead and blu-ray had crappy transfers.

Forget everything else you read on here, forgot all the facts and just focus on the above and you'll fit in just fine ;)

I know right. And when I say Picture in Picture is not going to save the format, all hell breaks loose.

Blu-ray takes the lead in US Doesn't this imply HD-DVD had the lead up until today?

Even more interesting is the only statistic listed is HD-DVD having 70% of the "set-top" market.

I know right. And when I say Picture in Picture is not going to save the format, all hell breaks loose.

That reminds me a SD PiP is superior to a HD PiP, especially when watching on your 15" Toshiba laptop which will resurrect on the 3 day ;)

Doesn't this imply HD-DVD had the lead up until today?

Even more interesting is the only statistic listed is HD-DVD having 70% of the "set-top" market.

As noted above, that number is not from the Parks PR

As noted above, that number is not from the Parks PR

so hd dvd represents 70% of the hi def stand alone players in america ,when you minus the blu ray player/game system" known as the ps3"

so hd dvd represents 70% of the hi def stand alone players in america ,when you minus the blu ray player/game system" known as the ps3"

I think that question should be directed to Christine Persaud

The HD DVD camp responds:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/blog/2007/07/26/research-firm-claims-blu-ray-leads-adoption-of-next-gen-dvd-players-in-us/

Don't be too confused. See the link... it is a Canadian link. South of the border is US...

Most people forget we exist up here......amongst the igloos and the recent introduction of electricity

:p

The high-definition DVD format war persists, but according to a recent report from research firm Parks Associates, Blu-ray is leading the race in the U.S. Parks says that when both set-top box models and gaming consoles are taken into account, Blu-ray becomes the front runner.

Wow pure genius, better bookmark Parks Associates in case one day I need to know what colour an ( this correction courtesy of dobyblue) orange is.

"an" orange
:)

Reminds me of the episode of Family Feud where the Jamaican family was telling the father what they though he should go for in the category "fruits starting with 'a'"
They had two X's against them.

He decided not to listen to them and said "me a go on me own and say ah-ringe" (orange)

That reminds me a SD PiP is superior to a HD PiP, especially when watching on your 15" Toshiba laptop which will resurrect on the 3 day ;)

I never said it was superior, I just said it didn't matter. Additionally, do you sit 5+ feet away from your notebook?

I love how pathetic BD people are in trying to shill their format through mischaracterizations and spin.

I love how pathetic BD people are in trying to shill their format through mischaracterizations and spin.

That's an incongruent post if I've ever seen one.

From the title it looks they they implied that it's only just taken the lead.. :rolleyes:

That's an incongruent post if I've ever seen one.

I had a similar reaction.

Most people forget we exist up here......amongst the igloos and the recent introduction of electricity

:p

I recently just renovated, adding an opening on the south side of my home (damn I hate do it yourself - Ice Picks are really difficult to use) - wife wasn't too happy with the hole I cut though she really *does* like the view we have of the Polar Bear family that just emerged from winter's sleep.

You have electricity?

ted

I recently just renovated, adding an opening on the south side of my home (damn I hate do it yourself - Ice Picks are really difficult to use) - wife wasn't too happy with the hole I cut though she really *does* like the view we have of the Polar Bear family that just emerged from winter's sleep.

You have electricity?

ted

Do you use whale blubber to power the HT?

Remember nobody uses the PS3 for watching movies, they don't count. :eek: Denon doesn't matter, Blockbuster doesn't matter, Target doesn't matter, Disney doesn't matter. What matters is that the day blu-ray launched, HD-DVD was in the lead and blu-ray had crappy transfers.

Forget everything else you read on here, forgot all the facts and just focus on the above and you'll fit in just fine ;)

hahah don't forget, SD PiP is perfect, HD PiP is overkill and useless.

Do you use whale blubber to power the HT?


Negative, it runs on Tim Horton's Coffee and tears from Leaf fans.

Negative, it runs on Tim Horton's Coffee and tears from Leaf fans.

What's a leaf fan?

Is it anything like a palm frawn?

What's a leaf fan?

Is it anything like a palm frawn?


Does the sport of Hockey ring any bells?

"it's still anybody's game"

Ah, the mantra of HD DVD fanboys everywhere

70% for 2 months on a format that's $200 cheaper is pretty poor.

Ah, the mantra of HD DVD fanboys everywhere

70% for 2 months on a format that's $200 cheaper is pretty poor.


This is true...

What I don't understand about that logic is, "During Christmas, we'll have players @ 199.00" Heck, you get get em now @ 199.00. You can get Toshiba standalones for 200-300 less than their BD counterparts, and it isn't really making much of a difference.

I still contend that it is too early to get J6P involved.... he won't care until 2009... get your 1st , 2nd and 3rd tier adopters, and then lets worry about J6P.

So HD DVDs leverage is to try to convince the buying public to buy into something they don't even know exists yet.

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

As noted above, that number is not from the Parks PRThen what number is? I saw absolutely nothing to back up these unsubstantiated claims.

Negative, it runs on Tim Horton's Coffee and tears from Leaf fans.

"I'd like to congratulate Prime Minister Horton on his first double double"

Ha, ha. Rick Mercer sure can make some of our neighbours look funny, even George Bush when he was a senator didn't balk when congratulating Vice President Poutine on something or other.

More of the "all PS3s are BD players" crap.

More of the "all PS3s are BD players" crap.

I don't get how people keep saying this. I own a PS3 and use it for playing Blu-Ray movies. Of my buddies that own one, they all use it as a BD player as well.

Sure, what I said can be whittled down to "hey, I know a guy who has a PS3 and..."

but I find it laughable the number of people that rattle off made up attach rate stats and how no one uses the PS3 to watch movies.

So:

1. You post 3 "articles," 1 of which is from Canada, the other from UK about the US
2. The only number listed there is that 70% of set top boxes are HD DVD players
3. There is NO proof of numbers, no backup, no sources, etc.

Niiiiiice. :rolleyes:

The reason there's no statistics listed in the article is because the research firm wants you to buy their report, a 94-page PDF file for $3000. If they released any of their statistical data for free to the press, no one would buy the report. They're a research firm--their business is numbers, so why would they give em away for free?

If they released any of their statistical data for free to the press, no one would buy the report.Well, they didn't release any data and I still don't buy it. :p

This is true...

What I don't understand about that logic is, "During Christmas, we'll have players @ 199.00" Heck, you get get em now @ 199.00. You can get Toshiba standalones for 200-300 less than their BD counterparts, and it isn't really making much of a difference.

I still contend that it is too early to get J6P involved.... he won't care until 2009... get your 1st , 2nd and 3rd tier adopters, and then lets worry about J6P.

So HD DVDs leverage is to try to convince the buying public to buy into something they don't even know exists yet.

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

I agree with you 100%.

Wait a second... Blu Ray has taken the lead?

I thought they already 'won' several times, from their past press announcements.

Well, they didn't release any data and I still don't buy it. :p

Gee, that's real convenient for everyone in the HD camp. How many movies aren't you buying?

Remember nobody uses the PS3 for watching movies, they don't count. :eek: Denon doesn't matter, Blockbuster doesn't matter, Target doesn't matter, Disney doesn't matter. What matters is that the day blu-ray launched, HD-DVD was in the lead and blu-ray had crappy transfers.

Forget everything else you read on here, forgot all the facts and just focus on the above and you'll fit in just fine ;)
The vast majority don't.. The majority of gamers still use a SDTV.. Even if true.. That doesn't bode well for the PS3 cause its a gaming console first & foremost..If no one buys the PS3 for gaming, & the PS3 tanks, there goes BR.. :p

Wait a second... Blu Ray has taken the lead?

I thought they already 'won' several times, from their past press announcements.
Never mind that.. I thought HD DVD was dead..Wait, its been dead at least 4 times now.. :eek:

Ah, the mantra of HD DVD fanboys everywhere

70% for 2 months on a format that's $200 cheaper is pretty poor.
Sony including the PS3 with stand alone BRP sells just to inflate the numbers is sad. Another sad thing.. Even with massive Studio support for BR, HD DVD is still alive.. Doesn't speak well for BR does it..

Sony including the PS3 with stand alone BRP sells just to inflate the numbers is sad. Another sad thing.. Even with massive Studio support for BR, HD DVD is still alive.. Doesn't speak well for BR does it..

I feel this way as well. Lets look at it closely:

1) BD standalones are NOT selling whatsoever. The PS3 is the ONLY reason BD isnt dead. Now, Im not gonna act like the PS3 doesnt matter because it DOES, even with shaky attach rates. For BD to have their current software lead then the PS3 MUST be the reason.

2) The studios that support BD are trickling out releases slower than urine from a boner. They are sitting on a plethora of awesome catalog titles and we keep hearing nothing but POTC, Spiderman, and Stoopid Casino Royale. Can they please release some of the big hitters? What the fock are they waiting for? probably DRM on top of DRM..... :rolleyes:

3) BD keeps hammering with the PR machine and Toshy just lays back. Hmm..... is Toshy just laughing their asses off at all these "nails in the coffins" that BD keeps giving them? Maybe Toshy knows something we dont... :D

The overall is still in the 60/40 range despite all the fuss. A long way from over, IMO.

3) BD keeps hammering with the PR machine and Toshy just lays back. Hmm..... is Toshy just laughing their asses off at all these "nails in the coffins" that BD keeps giving them? Maybe Toshy knows something we dont... :DI highly doubt Toshiba is laughing about even small studios going exclusively with Blu-ray. If they are, they have something wrong with their brains.

--Darin

I feel this way as well. Lets look at it closely:

1) BD standalones are NOT selling whatsoever. The PS3 is the ONLY reason BD isnt dead. Now, Im not gonna act like the PS3 doesnt matter because it DOES, even with shaky attach rates. For BD to have their current software lead then the PS3 MUST be the reason.

2) The studios that support BD are trickling out releases slower than urine from a boner. They are sitting on a plethora of awesome catalog titles and we keep hearing nothing but POTC, Spiderman, and Stoopid Casino Royale. Can they please release some of the big hitters? What the fock are they waiting for? probably DRM on top of DRM..... :rolleyes:

3) BD keeps hammering with the PR machine and Toshy just lays back. Hmm..... is Toshy just laughing their asses off at all these "nails in the coffins" that BD keeps giving them? Maybe Toshy knows something we dont... :D

The overall is still in the 60/40 range despite all the fuss. A long way from over, IMO.


In the real world BD standalones are making up ground on HD DVD stand alones as reported by the HD DVD PRG!!!!

The only thing Toshiba knows is that if their pricing strategy doesn't start having an effect soon, the lead that BR is building is going to be very difficult if next to impossible to overcome.

Sony including the PS3 with stand alone BRP sells just to inflate the numbers is sad. Another sad thing.. Even with massive Studio support for BR, HD DVD is still alive.. Doesn't speak well for BR does it..

Well fine then, don't include PS3. Not including PS3 just makes hd dvd look even worse.

Even with massive Studio support for BR, HD DVD is still alive.I love how HDDVD supporters are constantly moving the goal posts. Last summer, they were all crowing about getting to market first and saying that all studios would be neutral by Christmas (of last year). Now it's "We're not dead yet!". That would make a great slogan for Toshiba.

Well fine then, don't include PS3. Not including PS3 just makes hd dvd look even worse.

Maybe a picture will better explain the situation:

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sandsandsandsandsandsandsand.....I HDDVD's I..sandsandsandsandsandsand
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I love how HDDVD supporters are constantly moving the goal posts. Last summer, they were all crowing about getting to market first and saying that all studios would be neutral by Christmas (of last year). Now it's "We're not dead yet!". That would make a great slogan for Toshiba.

So we're a monolithic group now huh? I doubt that even the consensus stated that studios would be neutral. There was some rumors regarding Disney being upset. First to market is important but only when there's a level playing field.

so hd dvd represents 70% of the hi def stand alone players in america ,when you minus the blu ray player/game system" known as the ps3"

The PS3 sucks! I have one and it sits pretty collecting dust :o

The PS3 sucks! I have one and it sits pretty collecting dust :o

So why did you buy it if you aren't going to use it ?
I'll buy it off of you for $199 :D

The PS3 sucks! I have one and it sits pretty collecting dust :o

the crazy part of all this is that all that extra functionality is free when compared to the BD standalones... so either the CE companies with standalones can't compete with the PS3 pricing or there is something seriously wrong with the BD model. Oh yeah I forgot Sony is spending billions to create an artificial market... so everything BD is a distortion.

The PS3 sucks! I have one and it sits pretty collecting dust :o


Your credibility just flew out the window.

Your credibility just flew out the window.
I don't see how. It's simply his opinion that I'm sure others share as well. His credibility wasn't on the line to begin with anyway.

The only reason he thinks the PS3 sucks is because admitting the PS3 was any good would be giving praise to a device that gives Blu-ray a decisive advantage.

The only reason he thinks the PS3 sucks is because admitting the PS3 was any good would be giving praise to a device that gives Blu-ray a decisive advantage.
Doubtful. I've seen quite a few PS3 owners who think it "sucks" due to a number of legitimate reasons. That's neither here nor there though.

The whole "your credibility is shot" mantra is stale.