I have a Sony KDL-40V2500 and the manual says nothing about several PS3 features. I am not even sure if the Sony PS3 engineers are using the same terms for these features as the Sony HDTV engineers.

How am I supposed to find out if my display supports...

24Hz play back

Full RGB

Super White

It would be nice if Sony had a chart listing all these features (and more), all their current displays and whether or not the display supported the features.

Any ideas? Have you guys had the same question about your HDTVs?

I have a Sony KDL-40V2500 and the manual says nothing about several PS3 features. I am not even sure if the Sony PS3 engineers are using the same terms for these features as the Sony HDTV engineers.

How am I supposed to find out if my display supports...

24Hz play back

Full RGB

Super White

It would be nice if Sony had a chart listing all these features (and more), all their current displays and whether or not the display supported the features.

Any ideas? Have you guys had the same question about your HDTVs?

Thanks for posting. I have the same exact question for the same exact setup. I emailed the PS3 website support to ask them and they told me to contact the manufacturer of my TV set! I thought that was hillarious... and frustrating.

Thanks for posting. I have the same exact question for the same exact setup. I emailed the PS3 website support to ask them and they told me to contact the manufacturer of my TV set! I thought that was hillarious... and frustrating.


I assume mine does. It has Blu-Ray Disc as an input label option. Sony 46E2000.

I believe very few sets and even projectors are able to receive and display 24FPS. The next gen will all have this.

I emailed the PS3 website support to ask them and they told me to contact the manufacturer of my TV set! I thought that was hillarious... and frustrating.

Why do you figure Sony should know the specifications of all TV sets made in the world?

Why do you figure Sony should know the specifications of all TV sets made in the world?
He didn't! He would expect Sony to know Sony products though. ;)

Not to sound stupid, but what is this 24Hz and what does it buy me? What am I normally looking at?

24hz is the rate that most films use natively. so 24hz source material output from the ps3, along with 24hz input capability on your display would allow film source to display with as little processing as possible, i.e. as close to perfect as possible.

It's still a high end feature, just now starting to migrate down to the mid, low tiers.

The super white setting for hdmi is for hdmi 1.3 and up from what I understand. It is an extension of the hdmi spec that allows more colorspace, but both source and destination must support it. I've actually never heard the term outside of sony's high end displays.

Full range hdmi is similar to super white, but it isnt really a part of the spec. Some displays support it, some dont. kind of an interim feature until it could be standard... I think most all displays made from now on will support it though.

These are very high level explanations... You may want to go over to the display forum for more in depth responses. There isnt much use in thurough explanation in this forum.

In regards to 24Hz, I just wanted to add that I have heard some displays will accept a 24Hz signal, but they will not output the signal to the screen at a multiple of 24Hz. They still convert it to 60Hz. So watch out if you are ready to throw thousands $$$ at one of these newer displays that claims 24FPS or 24Hz.

Just sucks that all these PS3 features are meaningless if TV manufacturers are not talking about them in the device's manual and/or they are not using the same terms. It is pretty obvious that the display side of Sony is not talking to the PS3 side in my opinion.

I selected 24hz ON and the screen went blank....so I don't think our Sony set supports it. But it was still a great value and one heck of a picture.

I just set my PS3 to 24hz 'On' from 'Auto,' and put in Superman: The Movie. It appears to playing fine with forced 24hz, so I assume it supports the option.

if you turn 24hz ON it makes sure yoru display can support it - so i assuem it changes everythign to 24hz via hdmi?

my HL-S6187W supports it as far as i can tell

My Sammy HL-T6189S 24Hz, SuperWhite, and RGB Full. I'm very happy with it! :cool:

I have a Sharp Aquos D62 and put on 24hz and got blank screen. So no support there. Oh well it really doesn't bug me. My TV also definitely is affected by Full and Limited RGB, but I like to look to Full but it just crushes blacks too much. I use Limited instead. I can't complain the pic looks sic. MGS4 trailor......MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I just set my PS3 to 24hz 'On' from 'Auto,' and put in Superman: The Movie. It appears to playing fine with forced 24hz, so I assume it supports the option.

And you have the Sony KDL-40V2500? Could you put in a regular DVD and select the 24hz to On and see what your screen does? Mine went blank but it might be because the DVD I had in there didn't support it. I didn't try and play a DVD I just selected the option and got a blank screen. I didn't get a message "unsupported Resolution" from the Sony either...which I thought was odd.

When I did the auto set up for the PS3 it set the output to 24 and then i checked my manual and it confirms that it can receive that signal but I'm not sure if it outputs the signal in 24fps - nothing confirms that in my manual.

I emailed Toshibas tech supt and they told me to all instead. :p

I have a 52hmx95 cinema series toshiba DLP. Im trying to figure if I should be using ycb*** or rgb. I set rgb to full but I had to tweak the brightness too much so that when I get the blackscreens infront of trailers and videos it is green. Usually once something is showing the green is less noticable but still...it bothers me.

I need to get my stuff calibrated right for 300...I will not stand for any representation of color in this masterpiece!

how do you know if it does or not? I have super-white enables, but dont know if its working on my sammy hl5687s. It sure looks good whatever is working though.

One thing everyone is forgetting, is the life cycle for the PS3/Xbox and older game consoles. They have a life cycle of 5-8 years (roughly), and Tv's get new stuff added EVERY YEAR. there will be lots of things the PS3 "can do" that most TV's will NOT do...YET. IMO if you want to take advantage of "most" of the PS3 stuff RIGHT NOW (ok within the next 1-3 months)you will be buying an XBR5 (or other manuf equivalent) and paying BIG$$. If you do not want to fork over $$$$$$$$$$, then in the next 2-4 years the stuff on the $$$$$$$$$ TV will be included in the cheapo wally world special.


If you want ALL the features you have to pay for them with upgrading to the latest and gratest


My 60" 720p(DVI) GWIII is still ok, and my reciever (RGB) is ok. could I upgrade both...yep and I think I'd SEE an improvement, but is it worth that? Not yet (almost though;) )

My 40KDL-V2500 does seem to support both super white and RGB full because the screen doesn't go blank, and I think it does look better. I felt the difference with Socom Combined Assault, I have it displayed at 480p throught the game, and I have it hooked up via a sony hdmi cable. I do agree that it does change the look of everything, and after you turn these options on, you might wanna tweak your settings again, I had to make the game a little brighter, it looks more real, shadowy places now are less bright than sunny places, more than before, but in the game well that´s not good for me LOL. So I tweaked it but just in the video game, not the TV, because I tried the BD movie Ghostrider and it's just my opinion but it does look better with both options on. From what I understand and have been reading in this and other forums, is that you need a both the TV to support it, the input to actually output that signal, and of course, the source (game, movie, etc) to also support that. Hope I made myself clear.

I believe others on this forum (probably with more knowledge on the subject that myself) claim that if your display supports Full RGB, then the brightness should not change when you toggle is on/off. You should just have deeper blacks and whiter whites since you are increasing the range. This would obviously only happen with RGB content like Games and the XMB....maybe Blu-Ray discs too.

On my KDL-40V2500, my brightness goes WAY down when I turn RGB full on. I have to re-calibrate. This causes standard DVD content to be way too bright (blacks look almost grayish) and Blu-Ray and Gaming look about the same (maybe with a little deeper blacks), but it seems like I might be losing some detail (is this what black crush does?). Of course, last time I tried this was before firmware 1.9, so things might have changed.

As for the SuperWhite setting or whatever it is called. I think others have said this only would be needed for certain movies recorded using a special Sony camera that uses this SuperWhite feature (cant remember the technical name for it). Basically, it is probably pointless since 99% of current movies probably did not use this camera.

Most all these special features require HDMI and I bet some may require HDMI ver 1.3 equipment.

The "Full" RGB setting is intended for computer monitors connected to the PS3 by an HDMI<->DVI cable. Computer monitors use a wider range of values (0-255 instead of 16-235) to represent the darkest black and brightest white. Those values from 0-15 and 236 to 255 are the "Blacker than Black" (BTB) and "Whiter than White (WTW) values.

The VAST majority of HDTV's should be left on "Limited" or you will crush blacks. Those that can deal with "Full" properly do so because they were designed to double as a computer monitor.

I kinda wish Sony had called this setting "Computer" and "HDTV" instead of "Full" and "Limited". "Limited" has the connotation that it's somehow inferior to "Full", when in reality it's just a matter of choosing the setting that matches your equipment.

--Dwayne

Is it true that Blu-Ray films are encoded at 0-255 and standard DVD is 16-235?

I have heard that the XMB and games are native RGB (0-255).

I have a Sony KDL-40V2500 and the manual says nothing about several PS3 features. I am not even sure if the Sony PS3 engineers are using the same terms for these features as the Sony HDTV engineers.

How am I supposed to find out if my display supports...

24Hz play back

Full RGB

Super White

It would be nice if Sony had a chart listing all these features (and more), all their current displays and whether or not the display supported the features.

Any ideas? Have you guys had the same question about your HDTVs?

OK, there seems to be a bunch of confusion here.

Your TV does not support 24Hz playback, so set that to auto and it should know not to use it. Your TV is connected via HDMI and is not a computer monitor, so you want to set colorspace to auto and RGB to limited.

Your TV should accept Superwhite, but I don't know if it will display it, so set it to on. To know for sure if it is displaying it, use a calibration disk that has an image with blacker-than-black and whiter-than-white images to see if you can see them.

mine supports all of the above. :)