I still don't get it. Does it have something to do with royalties to Apple or something else?

Because it is a format that doesn't need to exist?

Yeah, the hidef .mov files that Apple has on their trailer page are just mpeg4 AVC/AAC data. Why can't Apple just start using mp4 instead?

But it would be cool if we could play the .movs directly, without having to remux them.

For the same reason I don't install Quicktime on my pc? And....it's the PS3. You DO have a point - it supports several strange esoteric formats that the majority of people don't use, so why not Quicktime files?

because quicktime and apple needed their own format...

All thats different is the header/meta data in the mov file.

You can demux and reapply a vanilla mp4 container with YAMB and it takes all of 3 seconds. A regularly download, YAMB, and upload to my PS3.

HD WMP's? now thats a different story

I absolutely loathe quicktime. Its a format that shouldnt exist.

I...didn't know there were... Apple users on this forum. shivers....

I...didn't know there were... Apple users on this forum. shivers....

I didn't know going to the Apple trailers website made me an Apple user. I guess you learn something new each day.

I'd just like the ability to watch 1080p trailers from Apple, without converting them on my PC everytime a new trailer comes out (seems like they do on a daily basis), and not have to wait for Sony to upload new trailers on their own.

I...didn't know there were... Apple users on this forum. shivers....

Shiver all you like. I've made quite the living using Apple hardware.

because quicktime and apple needed their own format...

All thats different is the header/meta data in the mov file.

You can demux and reapply a vanilla mp4 container with YAMB and it takes all of 3 seconds. A regularly download, YAMB, and upload to my PS3.

HD WMP's? now thats a different story

A 1080p trailer takes 3 seconds to convert, are you kiddin???

Still, its a pain in the arse to do it everytime a new trailer comes out. Seems a bit backwards-ass to do it constantly though...

Quicktime is the biggest butcher job of a media viewing application I've ever seen. Its a total mess.

Bill Gates has told me numerous times that Apple is an evil upstart small business that he will someday crush under his jack-booted heel. He's a braggart, that Bill, but essentially honest. Would someone with THAT much money have to lie about something like that? No - they probably wouldn't.

I...didn't know there were... Apple users on this forum. shivers....


What I thought all AVS users used Apple computers?

lol. quicktime. hahahaha

almsot goes hand in hadn with a discover card :)

A 1080p trailer takes 3 seconds to convert, are you kiddin???

Still, its a pain in the arse to do it everytime a new trailer comes out. Seems a bit backwards-ass to do it constantly though...

well go yell at apple then, it's their format!!!!

and..


Not convert [ie re-encode],

all it does is strip the container, pull the video and audio apart, and re-package it into a non apple container.

Think like taking a pickle out of a funky jar and putting into a generic one. It's fast because it doesn't re-encode the audio-video, just changes the package and meta data.

A 1080p trailer takes 3 seconds to convert, are you kiddin???
Yeah that's pretty much it. I'm on a mac here and actually use Quicktime Pro to convert MOVs to MP4s. Very "Quick" you may say. Pardon the pun. :)

I don't do it that often but when there's a cool HD trailer on the Apple site I'll snag it and put in on the PS3. The PS3 definitely needs to support more video formats but it does a decent (not great) job with what it supports now.

Wow, some of the arrogance in this thread is kind of gross.

Wow, some of the arrogance in this thread is kind of gross.Now you know what it's like to walk into an Apple store or watch those damn Mac commercials ;)

Now you know what it's like to walk into an Apple store or watch those damn Mac commercials ;)

LOL, although I do enjoy the MAC commercials, even if I would never buy one.

if you have the purchased version of quicktime, simply open the mov file and export as mp4. in the settings, make sure you use "passthrough". you may have to choose this for video and do audio seperately. i tried it and it works.

if you have the purchased version of quicktime, simply open the mov file and export as mp4. in the settings, make sure you use "passthrough". you may have to choose this for video and do audio seperately. i tried it and it works.

Wow, thanks.

Licensing fees

better question, why doesnt he PS3 support 90% of the video formats I have for my videos??

Add some frickin codec support please Sony. No reason to not support all these. Hell I'll email you a simple codec pack for you to allow everyone to install on their ps3, every simple.

Not everyone want's to waste their time converting files into other formats just to put on the PS3.

Just for the record guys (My PS3 doesn't arrive until later today ot tomorrow):

What video formats CAN the PS3 play over the wireless connection?
No MOV, no DivX (right?), no WMV (right?)... Is it just MPEG's?

better question, why doesnt he PS3 support 90% of the video formats I have for my videos??

Add some frickin codec support please Sony. No reason to not support all these. Hell I'll email you a simple codec pack for you to allow everyone to install on their ps3, every simple.

Not everyone want's to waste their time converting files into other formats just to put on the PS3.
Licensing

You can always install Linux ;)

Hey, if you don't like Apple and Quicktime then don't use them.
If you go to Apples site to download trailers then DON'T expect them to be something other than what Apple supports.

Sure are a lot of whinners here. :rolleyes:

PS3 Video 9 also has a re-package option - allowing H264 .MOVs to be re-packaged with no video re-encoding.

Hey, if you don't like Apple and Quicktime then don't use them.
If you go to Apples site to download trailers then DON'T expect them to be something other than what Apple supports.

Sure are a lot of whinners here. :rolleyes:


People will always complain about something. It seems I have been noticing that a lot around here lately [ i.e. rumble controller :rolleyes: ]. We get free HD trailers on the site and they complain that they aren't in their container and/or with their codec of choice. "Why can't they put them in divx or xvid?" Because those two are a inferior codecs also they are not developed by apple/quicktime?

I love Quicktime, own Quicktime Pro and can convert 1080p .mov's to 1080p .mp4's in 10 seconds.

I used to own PC's, but now I'm strictly Mac's. Windows just such a terrible OS but you basically need it if you own a PC, I'm hoping every PC person here uses Linux for the most part. .mov's don't run very well on PC's but then again .wmv's don't run very well on Mac's. I'd probably rather have WMV-HD support on the PS3 than MOV-HD, but that's only because of the sheer number of WMV-HD files available.

Anything for linux that repackages the .mov file?

Linux is not very popular... Bill Gates told me if he caught me using it he wold do... terrible things to me. Like ... make me use WIndows Media Player ! AAAAAA

Because it is a format that doesn't need to exist?Give me a f*cking break. It's a great, compressable, widely used format. I use Quicktime Pro to convert all of my video to PS3-compatible .mp4 - on my Mac - and it does a cleaner job than handbrake. :rolleyes:

Give me a f*cking break. It's a great, compressable, widely used format. I use Quicktime Pro to convert all of my video to PS3-compatible .mp4 - on my Mac - and it does a cleaner job than handbrake. :rolleyes:


Agreed.

Give me a f*cking break. It's a great, compressable, widely used format. I use Quicktime Pro to convert all of my video to PS3-compatible .mp4 - on my Mac - and it does a cleaner job than handbrake. :rolleyes:

FYI, Quicktime is a brand more than a format...in fact, it's just a shell around a real format developed by Sorenson Communications.

Give me a f*cking break. It's a great, compressable, widely used format. I use Quicktime Pro to convert all of my video to PS3-compatible .mp4 - on my Mac - and it does a cleaner job than handbrake. :rolleyes:

While it may be great on a Mac, on the PC, Quicktime is a horrible playback program. It crashes often, buffers badly, has had multiple security exploits over the years, doesn't match the PC's look and feel (which I prefer) so it sticks out like a sore thumb, and for years you couldn't even make it full screen without paying for the thing. That last one finally got rectified a couple weeks ago, but I already avoid it whenever it is possible.

The fact that they try to bundle it with itunes (finding the copy of quicktime without itunes bundled in isn't easy), which I positively do not want installed on my computer, is a lame way for Apple to try and get more revenue from their itunes store. They even try and bundle itunes into their upgrade notification program! Screw that!

On top of all of this, despite the fact that I select the option that doesn't start up quicktime every time my PC starts (no need to waste resources on something I use maybe once a month), whenever I re-install for some security fix, the program switches back to the default options! So I get quicktime starting up every time I start my PC. The option to turn this off is buried, btw...

In the end, I have one program, Media Player 11, that plays every format I have with a codec system that can be used in multiple programs (like Windows Media Center). The only thing it doesn't do it play Quicktime (but apparently there is an unofficial codec for it - think I'll look for it today). Because of this I have to have 2 programs installed to play everything. Quicktime is slightly less annoying than Realplayer, which is a format that also doesn't need to exist, and I occasionally find quicktime videos that I want to watch (unlike realplayer), so I keep it installed, for now. If Apple came up with an official DirectShow filter for Quicktime, maybe I would use the format more often. Somehow, I just don't think that Apple will do that (unless they could figure out how bundle it with itunes).

While it may be great on a Mac, on the PC, Quicktime is a horrible playback program. It crashes often, buffers badly, has had multiple security exploits over the years, doesn't match the PC's look and feel (which I prefer) so it sticks out like a sore thumb, and for years you couldn't even make it full screen without paying for the thing. That last one finally got rectified a couple weeks ago, but I already avoid it whenever it is possible.

The fact that they try to bundle it with itunes (finding the copy of quicktime without itunes bundled in isn't easy), which I positively do not want installed on my computer, is a lame way for Apple to try and get more revenue from their itunes store. They even try and bundle itunes into their upgrade notification program! Screw that!

On top of all of this, despite the fact that I select the option that doesn't start up quicktime every time my PC starts (no need to waste resources on something I use maybe once a month), whenever I re-install for some security fix, the program switches back to the default options! So I get quicktime starting up every time I start my PC. The option to turn this off is buried, btw...

In the end, I have one program, Media Player 11, that plays every format I have with a codec system that can be used in multiple programs (like Windows Media Center). The only thing it doesn't do it play Quicktime (but apparently there is an unofficial codec for it - think I'll look for it today). Because of this I have to have 2 programs installed to play everything. Quicktime is slightly less annoying than Realplayer, which is a format that also doesn't need to exist, and I occasionally find quicktime videos that I want to watch (unlike realplayer), so I keep it installed, for now. If Apple came up with an official DirectShow filter for Quicktime, maybe I would use the format more often. Somehow, I just don't think that Apple will do that (unless they could figure out how bundle it with itunes).

The exact same goes with Windows Media Player on a Mac. My Quicktime plays every codec, all containers, no buffers problems or exploits that I know of. While WMP is worthless and buffer problems? It is to the point that it never comes out of buffering. Exploits? No idea, most people don't try to exploit stuff on mac computers or at least as much as they do on PC's. However since it is a MS product it more then likely is filled with exploits. Also at least Apple is nice enough to keep you PC users update with their software while Microsoft is too incompetent to keep their software up to date on our OS. WMP was last updated in 2003 for us mac users.

The exact same goes with Windows Media Player on a Mac. My Quicktime plays every codec, all containers, no buffers problems or exploits that I know of. While WMP is worthless and buffer problems? It is to the point that it never comes out of buffering. Exploits? No idea, most people don't try to exploit stuff on mac computers or at least as much as they do on PC's. However since it is a MS product it more then likely is filled with exploits. Also at least Apple is nice enough to keep you PC users update with their software while Microsoft is too incompetent to keep their software up to date on our OS. WMP was last updated in 2003 for us mac users.

Windows Media Player is no longer supported for the Mac is it? Don't Microsoft now endorse the Flip4Mac Windows Media plug-ins for Quicktime? They ditched WMP for the Mac and instead put their weight behind a way of getting WMV stuff to play in Quicktime player... I don't know anyone still running Windows Media Player on the Mac.

VLC seems to be a better bet on both Windows and the Mac anyway...

Flip4Mac FTW!

Windows Media Player is no longer supported for the Mac is it? Don't Microsoft now endorse the Flip4Mac Windows Media plug-ins for Quicktime? They ditched WMP for the Mac and instead put their weight behind a way of getting WMV stuff to play in Quicktime player... I don't know anyone still running Windows Media Player on the Mac.

VLC seems to be a better bet on both Windows and the Mac anyway...


I am not sure. I use VLC and Perian plug-in for QT. Flip4Mac is also decent. It works good at getting those nasty wmv's to play.

YAMB 2.0.0.7 (http://yamb.unite-video.com) was finally released a few days ago. It can convert all of the QuickTime HD .mov files into .mp4 for the PS3. Takes about 10 seconds to convert a 1080p trailer.

The exact same goes with Windows Media Player on a Mac. My Quicktime plays every codec, all containers, no buffers problems or exploits that I know of. While WMP is worthless and buffer problems? It is to the point that it never comes out of buffering. Exploits? No idea, most people don't try to exploit stuff on mac computers or at least as much as they do on PC's. However since it is a MS product it more then likely is filled with exploits. Also at least Apple is nice enough to keep you PC users update with their software while Microsoft is too incompetent to keep their software up to date on our OS. WMP was last updated in 2003 for us mac users.
I'm not so sure it's "incompetence" that Microsoft won't update their software for a rival OS. Probably..... something else a little more obvious. :rolleyes:

While it may be great on a Mac, on the PC, Quicktime is a horrible playback program. It crashes often, buffers badly, has had multiple security exploits over the years, doesn't match the PC's look and feel (which I prefer) so it sticks out like a sore thumb, and for years you couldn't even make it full screen without paying for the thing. That last one finally got rectified a couple weeks ago, but I already avoid it whenever it is possible.Allright - Just about every program for PC is horrible. Hell, Windoze ITSELF is horrible. Crashes often, has multiple security exploits - its "look and feel" pales in comparison to - well - any non-Windoze box... :P

The fact that they try to bundle it with itunes (finding the copy of quicktime without itunes bundled in isn't easy), which I positively do not want installed on my computer, is a lame way for Apple to try and get more revenue from their itunes store. They even try and bundle itunes into their upgrade notification program! Screw that!Again, this is moot. Every software maker does this (the major ones at least). MicroShaft includes WMP on all of its machines - and it is HORRIBLE software! Sony's infamous DRM episode. Just about every big-box PC (Dell, Gateway, Sony) comes pre-loaded with tons of crappy software, and it's not easy to get rid of. Get the picture? All software companies do this. It's not unique to Apple - although Macs do not come preloaded with software from 3rd parties that cough up money to the manufacturer, like AOL. That's a PC thing.

On top of all of this, despite the fact that I select the option that doesn't start up quicktime every time my PC starts (no need to waste resources on something I use maybe once a month), whenever I re-install for some security fix, the program switches back to the default options! So I get quicktime starting up every time I start my PC. The option to turn this off is buried, btw...I've never had this problem on my Mac. Sounds like, once again, your PC is at fault. Have I mentioned I love my Mac? ;)

In the end, I have one program, Media Player 11, that plays every format I have with a codec system that can be used in multiple programs (like Windows Media Center). The only thing it doesn't do it play Quicktime (but apparently there is an unofficial codec for it - think I'll look for it today). Because of this I have to have 2 programs installed to play everything. Quicktime is slightly less annoying than Realplayer, which is a format that also doesn't need to exist, and I occasionally find quicktime videos that I want to watch (unlike realplayer), so I keep it installed, for now. If Apple came up with an official DirectShow filter for Quicktime, maybe I would use the format more often. Somehow, I just don't think that Apple will do that (unless they could figure out how bundle it with itunes).I f*cking loathe WMP. It's buggy software, it will crash with certain CDs (several of the XP workstations at my office crash with a certain audio CD I own), it bogs system resources and its interface is downright ugly compared to iTunes. No thanks. Quicktime can play any format I can hurl at it - and it plays it without the classic WMP freezes, error messages or buffering issues (if streaming).

Flip4Mac is decent, but I'm not a big fan of it. VLC is awesome, however. Paired with QTP for conversion, it's a perfect setup.

Allright - Just about every program for PC is horrible. Hell, Windoze ITSELF is horrible. Crashes often, has multiple security exploits - its "look and feel" pales in comparison to - well - any non-Windoze box... :P


I just want everything to look the same.


Again, this is moot. Every software maker does this (the major ones at least). MicroShaft includes WMP on all of its machines - and it is HORRIBLE software! Sony's infamous DRM episode. Just about every big-box PC (Dell, Gateway, Sony) comes pre-loaded with tons of crappy software, and it's not easy to get rid of. Get the picture? All software companies do this. It's not unique to Apple


I build my own PCs, so I don't get pre-loaded software. And I clean off laptops before I used them.

It isn't a moot point. I don't want itunes. Quicktime and itunes are two different packages. They shouldn't be bundled.


I've never had this problem on my Mac. Sounds like, once again, your PC is at fault. Have I mentioned I love my Mac? ;)


I assure you it isn't a problem with my PC. The setting that makes Quicktime start up with every boot of my PC resets itself on all 4 of my PCs whenever I install a quicktime update. Bugs the crap out of me. Apparently it is just Apple's dodgy Windows programming that makes it happen if it doesn't happen on your Mac. I wouldn't be surprised.


I f*cking loathe WMP. It's buggy software, it will crash with certain CDs (several of the XP workstations at my office crash with a certain audio CD I own), it bogs system resources and its interface is downright ugly compared to iTunes. No thanks. Quicktime can play any format I can hurl at it - and it plays it without the classic WMP freezes, error messages or buffering issues (if streaming).


Good for you. I happen to like it. I sync my Zen Vision: M with WMP11, and it works great. I have no need to have itunes on my PCs. Oh, and WMP takes up LESS memory than itunes, by the way. Check it out for yourself.

So, apparently on the Mac, Microsoft has tried its best to fit in with WMV codecs that work with the Mac's preferred video playback program.

On the PC, Apple has tried its best to further its itunes store agenda, bundling itunes with Quicktime instead of building a codec that works with the PC's preferred video playback program.

Sounds like you guys prefer the way that MS did things with the WMV codec on the Mac.

I'd prefer that Apple did it the same way with Quicktime on the PC.

Go figure.

I just want everything to look the same.



I build my own PCs, so I don't get pre-loaded software. And I clean off laptops before I used them.

It isn't a moot point. I don't want itunes. Quicktime and itunes are two different packages. They shouldn't be bundled.



I assure you it isn't a problem with my PC. The setting that makes Quicktime start up with every boot of my PC resets itself on all 4 of my PCs whenever I install a quicktime update. Bugs the crap out of me. Apparently it is just Apple's dodgy Windows programming that makes it happen if it doesn't happen on your Mac. I wouldn't be surprised.



Good for you. I happen to like it. I sync my Zen Vision: M with WMP11, and it works great. I have no need to have itunes on my PCs. Oh, and WMP takes up LESS memory than itunes, by the way. Check it out for yourself.

So, apparently on the Mac, Microsoft has tried its best to fit in with WMV codecs that work with the Mac's preferred video playback program.

On the PC, Apple has tried its best to further its itunes store agenda, bundling itunes with Quicktime instead of building a codec that works with the PC's preferred video playback program.

Sounds like you guys prefer the way that MS did things with the WMV codec on the Mac.

I'd prefer that Apple did it the same way with Quicktime on the PC.

Go figure.

Ultimately we prefer to aviod WMV's just as you would prefer to aviod Mov's which is completely understandable. However since the majoriy out there are PC users we have to use Flip4mac. It is a step up from WMP but not very much, it's still buggy, slow and sometimes just doesn't work. Yes I guess you would say we perfer to have it implemented in QT just as I am sure PC users would perfer Apple to do the same for WMP. I like just using one player and have it work flawlassly but it doesn't seem to be that way. I use to use VLC as my number one player. Now I have been using the plug-in Perian which seems to play back video smoother and sometimes different file types then what VLC can currently handle.

Does Media Player Classic handle all your weird apple formats? It handles everything I own.

Does Media Player Classic handle all your weird apple formats? It handles everything I own.

No. MPC can only play wmv1*, wmv2*, asf* and wma*.

*Sometimes if they are encoded weird they can't be played such as; different video or audio codecs. Also WMV3 is not supported nor is the WMV's with license agreements.

Well. I couldn't resist, but... http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

ahh maddox
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060513.jpg
Seriously, that was F-ing hilarious.
for all the iPhone fans;
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

Well. I couldn't resist, but... http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

Seriously, that was F-ing hilarious.

Wow this thread went to **** real fast.

Wow this thread went to **** real fast.

There wasn't much else to say. The PS3 doesn't support .movs for the same reason it doesn't support many of the other formats out there. Perhaps in the future is Sony and Apple can work out the licensing.

A couple of solutions were posted on how to simply change containers to get the files to play. No encoding so it only take a few seconds to do.

Just use Zoom Player or VLC for the PC to play everything.

G-Spot to find out what codec a video uses, then free-codecs.com to download it.

There wasn't much else to say. The PS3 doesn't support .movs for the same reason it doesn't support many of the other formats out there. Perhaps in the future is Sony and Apple can work out the licensing.

A couple of solutions were posted on how to simply change containers to get the files to play. No encoding so it only take a few seconds to do.


The insult to mac/ipod/iphone users/fans was pointless and immature. Why did you feel the need to?

lol

I love the mac bashing. It fits in well w/ the 360 bashing, iphone bashing, wii bashing, etc etc etc.

The insecurity and false bravado on these issues is laughable.

MS and Apple both have their good and bad points.

360, wii, and ps3 all have their good and bad points.

Let's leave it at that and get back to the original poster's question, and leave our genital comparisons to some other juvenile board...

I'd agree that not having a QT plugin for the ps3 browser is annoying, but understandable. Whether or not some people want to admit it, the QT trailer site is the biggest collection of files that is generally used for HD movie trailers, and it would be a lot easier to just dl it directly to the ps3. Let's hope they eventually allow a plugin, but I think Sony is withholding such a plugin for an obvious reason, as it plans on having a more robust collection of trailers at the PS store.

Until then, I'll be downloading them, doing a 4 second export through QT, and loading them on usb drives...

The insult to mac/ipod/iphone users/fans was pointless and immature. Why did you feel the need to?
Just figured if members enjoyed the link from Mattardo they might also enjoy the others. You are correct though, there was no need for another post so I simply combined my two posts in to one.


Until then, I'll be downloading them, doing a 4 second export through QT, and loading them on usb drives...
Seems to be the only solution as of now. Not ideal, but it'll do.