Am convinced I want "last years" models before closeout (not convinced to pay thousands more for "1080p" resolution at 58-60" at this point)...

It "appears" the Pio is a better set, plus accepts a 1080p/24 source signal; however, one concern is glare -- does the Panny have better anti-glare coating? Should I care that much?

Have ps3/BR and Xbox 360 with HD-DVD; have Directv HD/Tivo, HD Cable and watch lots of sports and movies...

Any thoughts -- must decide within next 18 hours or so... :confused:

I doubt you'll get much of a push to get the Panasonic over the Pioneer, even from the Panny fanboys. The 6070 is a much better panel.

I would take the 6070; I would even take it over the 58pz700u. I had one and returned it because I thought the colors were lousy compared to my 5070.

Unfortunately for me my desire to have the latest and greatest is going to cost me an extra 1400 bucks or so over the 6070 to get the new 60" 1080p model. Even though my new viewing distance is now like 14' all the posts about the improved black level's I will never be able to let it go if I was to buy the 6070 so I will wait a month and just bite the bullet.

I would take the 6070; I would even take it over the 58pz700u. I had one and returned it because I thought the colors were lousy compared to my 5070.

Unfortunately for me my desire to have the latest and greatest is going to cost me an extra 1400 bucks or so over the 6070 to get the new 60" 1080p model. Even though my new viewing distance is now like 14' all the posts about the improved black level's I will never be able to let it go if I was to buy the 6070 so I will wait a month and just bite the bullet.

I also think it's worth the extra dough for the new 1080p pio's about to be released. Twice the price, i still think yes :D

I doubt you'll get much of a push to get the Panasonic over the Pioneer, even from the Panny fanboys. The 6070 is a much better panel.


I beg to differ - I chose the Panny over the Pio Elite 1140. The Panny has a sharper, more detailed image, though the Elite excelled in many other ways. The soft, creamy picture of the 70 series Pios I didn't care for.

The 6070 was never in the running because you can't correctly adjust the color decoding on those sets.

Now, the 80 series Kuros . . . that's a different story!

Go for the new Pioneer 6010.

I recommend the 6070. I wouldn't worry about the 6010 for now. You will pay nearly $1000-$1500 more in price over the 6070. Will it be worth 35-40% in cost? Well that depends on your pockets. However, keep in mind your seating distance. How far will you be from the screen? This will depend if you need 1080p or not. If you sit more than 8 feet 720p or the 6070 will be plenty.

Chris
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Most people can guess my opinion and it is 6070HD
Better colors, smoother motion and better exterior look IMO

I beg to differ - I chose the Panny over the Pio Elite 1140. The Panny has a sharper, more detailed image, though the Elite excelled in many other ways. The soft, creamy picture of the 70 series Pios I didn't care for.

The 6070 was never in the running because you can't correctly adjust the color decoding on those sets.

Now, the 80 series Kuros . . . that's a different story!


Can you tell more? What makes the new pioneers better for adjusting the color decoding than the 70 series?

By the way, i was talking about the 600u, but I assume the 60u would display similarly.

Re the Pios - one can't adjust the individual colors on the Kuros either but the accuracy of the decoder is better than the 70 series. See Umr's 5080 calibration report re the closeness of blue and red to correct once greyscale was set. Green was still off but not by too much.

Yes both Panasonic and Pioneer have problems displaying the color of green, but when adjustments are made they can be corrected.

Chris



By the way, i was talking about the 600u, but I assume the 60u would display similarly.

Re the Pios - one can't adjust the individual colors on the Kuros either but the accuracy of the decoder is better than the 70 series. See Umr's 5080 calibration report re the closeness of blue and red to correct once greyscale was set. Green was still off but not by too much.

Thanks all!! Thanks to feedback and FURTHER research, it looks like the blacks alone are significantly better on the 8G, etc., etc. -- it appears I will be looking at the 6010 (further, what I thought may be "thousands more" is actually only about $1200 more for the latest technology)!!

I recommend the 6070. I wouldn't worry about the 6010 for now. You will pay nearly $1000-$1500 more in price over the 6070. Will it be worth 35-40% in cost? Well that depends on your pockets. However, keep in mind your seating distance. How far will you be from the screen? This will depend if you need 1080p or not. If you sit more than 8 feet 720p or the 6070 will be plenty.

Chris
mountavision.com

Just saw some pictures on the 8G thread comparing the 508X vs. 507X -- striking differences in black levels!!! :eek:

Most people can guess my opinion and it is 6070HD
Better colors, smoother motion and better exterior look IMO

Got great price from "Deb" on 6070...am now leaning to 6010...will be calling later!! ;)

As a past Panasonic plasma owner my vote would be for the Pioneer 6070.

I jumped off the Panasonic ship last year and got the Pio 6070,, I NEVER thought I would buy a Pioneer plasma over a Panasonic but I did, and WOW,, the best money I have ever spent.

The 6070 is a great plasma and well worth the extra cost over the 58 inch Panny.

Davyo

I recommend the 6070. I wouldn't worry about the 6010 for now. You will pay nearly $1000-$1500 more in price over the 6070. Will it be worth 35-40% in cost? Well that depends on your pockets. However, keep in mind your seating distance. How far will you be from the screen? This will depend if you need 1080p or not. If you sit more than 8 feet 720p or the 6070 will be plenty.

Chris
mountavision.com

Chris, with all due respect, I think you're leaving out the basic fact that the 8G Pioneers are getting all of the raves for the advancement in processing, black levels, etc. The 1080p in the 6010 is not the only benefit over the 6070.

So in my case, when trying to decide between the 6070 or 6010, while the 1080p weighed into my decision (whether I will truly benefit or not), the real factor in favor of the 6010 was the other advancements. As good as the 6070 likely is, the 6010 should be a better panel with a better picture (1080p or not), and is worth the premium to me.

Every year or next generation models should be better year after year. This will be Pioneer's year of advancement. I agree with you some will pay the premium for a better picture, however, the average consumer won't.

I can't wait until Panasonic releases their 3rd generation models next year. These should be better than Pioneer's 2nd generation 1080p models. I will say that Panasonic and Samsung their work cut out for them, but at Pioneer's higher prices the average consumer will not see value.

Chris

Chris, with all due respect, I think you're leaving out the basic fact that the 8G Pioneers are getting all of the raves for the advancement in processing, black levels, etc. The 1080p in the 6010 is not the only benefit over the 6070.

So in my case, when trying to decide between the 6070 or 6010, while the 1080p weighed into my decision (whether I will truly benefit or not), the real factor in favor of the 6010 was the other advancements. As good as the 6070 likely is, the 6010 should be a better panel with a better picture (1080p or not), and is worth the premium to me.

Yes I saw the pics as well. Definitely amazing at best!!!

Chris

Just saw some pictures on the 8G thread comparing the 508X vs. 507X -- striking differences in black levels!!! :eek:

I had a frustrating experience at Best Buy the other night contemplating a similar purchasing decision as Perilous with the 6070. I originally went there to buy the Panny 58" 700U. I then went to the next aisle down and saw the Pio 6070. Keep in mind that at the BB in my area, the aisles are about five to six feet wide. So even at 5-6 feet away, I still thought the 6070 (actually it's 6071 at BB, but same model) had a better picture.

I'll be honest here, I am not anywhere near as knowledgeable as the videophiles on this forum, and I'll concede that Best Buy is not exactly the proper setting to base what a Plasma display is fully capable of, but to my untrained eye the 6070 was hands down the better display even at 5-6 feet. Don't get me wrong, the Panny 58" still produced a beautiful picture, but I decided that I was going to pick up the 6070.

Only problem was that I hadn't seen the Pioneer 5080 yet. What can I say, when I go into an electronics store, I tend to gravitate towards the 60" displays like a bug to a headlight. Just when I thought I had found the perfect plasma with the 6070, the 5080 had just completely ruined my day. Everything said in this forum about the 5080's superior picture is 100% accurate in my humble opinion. Only problem is I was not interested in a 50" display (bug to a headlight syndrome).

I walked out of that Bets Buy so p!ssed off at Pioneer I could barely contain myself. The fact there is no Pioneer 6080 model available is nothing short of ridiculous. After seeing the 5080, there was no way I was walking out of that store with the "lesser" picture of the 700U or 6070/6071. It just wasn't going to happen. And to later find out that I'd have to fork out significantly more cash for a 1080P (which I have no interest in at my viewing distance) 6010 to get the 5080's picture in a 60" size is more than frustrating. I would have gladly paid the price Best Buy was asking for the 1080P Panny 700U for a Pioneer 6080 with the lesser resolution. Now I have to wait for the 6010 to come out and pay $800-900 more than I would have paid for the 700U.

It really is a shame on Pioneer's part; if they offered a 6080 at the 700U's price, they would be flying off the shelves right now. I for damn sure would have bought one.

There are many many people that will pay for the premium and it is well worth it IMO. And the 6070HD is an amazing set for where it is priced at now.

I agree with you 100%

I am realistic and fully realize that along with Pioneers picture comes Pioneer prices, lol. I totally agree it's worth a premium, and I'm willing (admittedly reluctantly) to pay it which is why I'm waiting on the 6010. You have to admit, a 6080HD would be the perfect model as a step up from the 6070HD. Instead, perspective buyers such as myself have to take two steps and a leap-frog up to get the 5080's picture in a 60" screen. :D

You are correct about the 6071 at the current price. If I wasn't such a patient person, it would be hangning on my wall as I type this.

It's a good thing I'm saving a pile of dough and buying the 6010 from you when available or else I'd REALLY be p!ssed at Pioneer!! :cool:

:) Yes and trust me I had the talks with japan they did consider doing the 6080 but that did not happen.

From a marketing perspective it makes sense to only produce 1080p models over 60" rather than 720p. The 720p/768p models will slowly phase out and will be hard to find in 2008-2009 on bigger models.

Chris

I had a frustrating experience at Best Buy the other night contemplating a similar purchasing decision as Perilous with the 6070. I originally went there to buy the Panny 58" 700U. I then went to the next aisle down and saw the Pio 6070. Keep in mind that at the BB in my area, the aisles are about five to six feet wide. So even at 5-6 feet away, I still thought the 6070 (actually it's 6071 at BB, but same model) had a better picture.

I'll be honest here, I am not anywhere near as knowledgeable as the videophiles on this forum, and I'll concede that Best Buy is not exactly the proper setting to base what a Plasma display is fully capable of, but to my untrained eye the 6070 was hands down the better display even at 5-6 feet. Don't get me wrong, the Panny 58" still produced a beautiful picture, but I decided that I was going to pick up the 6070.

Only problem was that I hadn't seen the Pioneer 5080 yet. What can I say, when I go into an electronics store, I tend to gravitate towards the 60" displays like a bug to a headlight. Just when I thought I had found the perfect plasma with the 6070, the 5080 had just completely ruined my day. Everything said in this forum about the 5080's superior picture is 100% accurate in my humble opinion. Only problem is I was not interested in a 50" display (bug to a headlight syndrome).

I walked out of that Bets Buy so p!ssed off at Pioneer I could barely contain myself. The fact there is no Pioneer 6080 model available is nothing short of ridiculous. After seeing the 5080, there was no way I was walking out of that store with the "lesser" picture of the 700U or 6070/6071. It just wasn't going to happen. And to later find out that I'd have to fork out significantly more cash for a 1080P (which I have no interest in at my viewing distance) 6010 to get the 5080's picture in a 60" size is more than frustrating. I would have gladly paid the price Best Buy was asking for the 1080P Panny 700U for a Pioneer 6080 with the lesser resolution. Now I have to wait for the 6010 to come out and pay $800-900 more than I would have paid for the 700U.

It really is a shame on Pioneer's part; if they offered a 6080 at the 700U's price, they would be flying off the shelves right now. I for damn sure would have bought one.

EXACTLY where I am at!! But if you think about it, I was fully expecting the 6010 to be $$thousands more than the 6070 (based on expected MSRP); however at about <$1K more, I thought I'll go for it... :eek:

EXACTLY where I am at!! But if you think about it, I was fully expecting the 6010 to be $$thousands more than the 6070 (based on expected MSRP); however at about <$1K more, I thought I'll go for it... :eek:
just think how cheap the 6010 will be next may. and get this, itll be the exact same set at that time as it will be on release. in fact, any initial bug fixes or firmware updates will be in the may version...

Am convinced I want "last years" models before closeout (not convinced to pay thousands more for "1080p" resolution at 58-60" at this point)...

It "appears" the Pio is a better set, plus accepts a 1080p/24 source signal; however, one concern is glare -- does the Panny have better anti-glare coating? Should I care that much?

Have ps3/BR and Xbox 360 with HD-DVD; have Directv HD/Tivo, HD Cable and watch lots of sports and movies...

Any thoughts -- must decide within next 18 hours or so... :confused:


I'm in pretty much the same situation, I almost pulled the trigger on the 6070HD. In my opinion both panels are outstanding choices, with the Pioneer getting the edge. Here's the thing to consider, the $$$ difference between the 6070HD and Pioneers new model may not be as great as you think. If your like me, you won't be purchasing another panel like this for awhile, so if that's the case the best thing you can do is not rush into anything. The 58"PX60U's can still be found months after the new Pannys have been released, and the 6070HD will be around for months after the 6010FD hits stores the end of this month. Don't let anyone tell you different, if you were leaning toward the PAnny, I would say it's time to buy, but the 6070HD has not hit rock bottom yet, you can bank on it. ;)

Here's the thing to consider, the $$$ difference between the 6070HD and Pioneers new model may not be as great as you think. If your like me, you won't be purchasing another panel like this for awhile, so if that's the case the best thing you can do is not rush into anything.
exactly...which is why i say wait until may...and the 6010 will be MUCH less $$$

exactly...which is why i say wait until may...and the 6010 will be MUCH less $$$

And by next May there will be 400,000 posts discussing the next generation of Pioneer plasmas, in addition to the new releases by Panny and Samsung, and... ;) Some people end up in perpetual paralysis and can never dive in. I think you've made it clear in many threads that you won't be buying an 8G Pio anytime soon, and think the rest of us are fools for buying in now--and there's no problem with that. Whatever works for you.

But on the other hand, I don't see a huge spread in street price between the 6070 at the end of its cycle, and the 6010 at the beginning of its cycle. Certainly not enough to be so adamant that the only solution is to wait until May to buy the 6010. I have the 6010 on preorder, at a fair price to me, and will enjoy the entire 2007 NCAA football season in HD on the 6010, and the entire 2007 NFL football season in HD on the 6010, and the 2007 MLB playoffs in HD on the 6010, etc.

What is the differance b/w the 6070 and the 6010??

All I can say is my 6070 is amazing, and if you check this forum you will not find a single unhappy customer. The threads are full of nothing but praise. Thats a statement not many other pdp can claim!!!

What is the differance b/w the 6070 and the 6010??

All I can say is my 6070 is amazing, and if you check this forum you will not find a single unhappy customer. The threads are full of nothing but praise. Thats a statement not many other pdp can claim!!!

You can read any of the "Pioneer 8G" threads to read about the new Pioneers. Nothing that is great about the new Pioneers takes anything away from how good a tv the 6070 likely is. But for someone in the market for a new plasma right now, the 8G Pioneers are tough to ignore, as they have better black levels, new processor, and from most reports, just a generally better picture than other plasmas, including the 6070/5070/4270.

But if you already have the 6070, you have an outstanding tv, and should avoid this forum at all costs for the inevitable heartburn and second thoughts it will cause... :D

You can read any of the "Pioneer 8G" threads to read about the new Pioneers. Nothing that is great about the new Pioneers takes anything away from how good a tv the 6070 likely is. But for someone in the market for a new plasma right now, the 8G Pioneers are tough to ignore, as they have better black levels, new processor, and from most reports, just a generally better picture than other plasmas, including the 6070/5070/4270.

But if you already have the 6070, you have an outstanding tv, and should avoid this forum at all costs for the inevitable heartburn and second thoughts it will cause... :D

Your absolutly right!!

How much of a difference are we talking about exactly? I've ordered my 6071 and I'm waiting for delivery now, should take couple of weeks still since it was out of stock but I'll wait as the price was very good.
I would like to have the 6010 definetly but only if the price is some $400 more at most, I wouldn't go for more than that as I'm very streched on my budget to be able to get a 60" already.