Well I'll admit I was one of the complainers early WRT to Forza's jaggies, and less than phenomenal graphics, but I just gotta say...

I've been playing like mad, and I'm up to level 21 in career mode. Man, I am sweating bullets in these races! My pulse is thumping, I get the jitters, I am grinding my teeth! It's unbelievably intense. I had no idea when I played the demo about the tremendous depth of gameplay and physics. The upgrades and tweaks (which in the past are the types of features I'd rather ignore) are amazing in the subtle ways they affect the driveability of each car. In the higher levels it is just impossible to win without tweaking and upgrading.

I haven't sprung for the wheel yet because it didn't feel right the first time I tried it, but now I am starting to think that it's the only way to get real subtle control of the cars...a necessity in some of these later races.

I can't put Forza down. It is just the most intense racing experience I have ever had. Not only that, the only time graphics occured to me was when I had time to ogle the vistas that ARE actually rendered as far as the eye can see. I am starting to see that they didn't really skimp on graphics, they just sacrifices some jaggie car edges for unlimited dar distance, real leaffy trees, hundreds of spectators, and tracks that render so far you can see opponents halfway across the track.

I just thought I'd put up some good press since I hadn't seen any in a while...and I needed to calm down from my last race.

I also picked up dirt, and while it looks nice in still shots it's a shell of a game in comparison. forget that it's a different type game, it's technically a dud. Slow frame rates, bad tearing, unresponsive control, and cartoon physics.

I completely agree. I am addicted to Forza. Wonderful sim. I have screamed out more than once as I hit the finish line.

Still loving the game also and playing all the time......I have only played off-line and I just got to level 30. I am going to finish the off-line mode first and then get on-line were the fun is........I have also started to customize some car designs and that is a blast..........

Well, let me rain on this post. I still am quite disappointed with Forza. I fire it up from time to time to see if I can suffer through another lap and I end up turning it off. This is really odd as I am a car sim nut but Forza just doesn't do it for me. It's too slow, no sense of speed, and the tracks a repetitive and way too short. I got up to level 30 and just stoppped playing all together. BEtter games to play.

As for the Dirt comparison, yeah it has zero tuning capability, graphics are leaps better but there is tearing from time to time, but at least it has a sense of speed and OH MY does it ever. At the upper tiers and faster rally cars, holy @#$@ does it get quick. My last race last night was an uphill climb, tier 10, and it lasted over 8 minutes on one track, that is NO laps folks, just straight going and FAST. I love dirt, but it is a completely different beast for sure.

Well, let me rain on this post. I still am quite disappointed with Forza. I fire it up from time to time to see if I can suffer through another lap and I end up turning it off. This is really odd as I am a car sim nut but Forza just doesn't do it for me. It's too slow, no sense of speed, and the tracks a repetitive and way too short. I got up to level 30 and just stoppped playing all together. BEtter games to play.


An R1 car (or pretty much any car) on Maple Valley gives an incredible sense of speed to me. Same for Nurburgring. I think it is the constant 60fps that does it, along with the size of the track and the proximity of the trees.

Basically, the closer things are to you, the faster a car will feel. This goes for real life, too. I tune my car for the drag strip, and when I race on the drag strip with over 400hp at 26psi of boost, the car feels fast. But on the rare occasion that I take my car on the street with that set up, the car is downright scary. I can't keep my foot in it for more than a few seconds. But at the drag strip, I keep my right foot on the floor the entire way down the track.

Most tracks don't have a lot of objects near the track for you to hit. Maple Valley isn't a real track, so they were able to make it feel faster with all the trees.

Rally racing is very different, of course. It deals with very narrow roads with tons of nearby objects that fly past you very quickly

Anyway, yeah, I'm still hooked on Forza. Level 30 and I'm still racing.

OK I'm up to level 38 and I haven't seen Nurburgring anywhere. I even picked the European region when I started just in case that's the only way to open the track. Where is it? Arcade?

OK I'm up to level 38 and I haven't seen Nurburgring anywhere. I even picked the European region when I started just in case that's the only way to open the track. Where is it? Arcade?

It's one of the last, if not the last Arcade tracks. I haven't come across it in simulation yet but I'm only around level 25. It wouldn't surprise me if it's used for one of the endurance races.

It's one of the last, if not the last Arcade tracks. I haven't come across it in simulation yet but I'm only around level 25. It wouldn't surprise me if it's used for one of the endurance races.Thanks. Guess I'll have to get into the Arcade mode now too. :)

I haven't played Forza yet as I am afraid to buy it. Reason being is that I have a few games that I really want to get my moneys worth on and if I get Forza I am afraid that I won't finsh, or return to, the ones I already have.

An R1 car (or pretty much any car) on Maple Valley gives an incredible sense of speed to me. Same for Nurburgring. I think it is the constant 60fps that does it, along with the size of the track and the proximity of the trees.

Basically, the closer things are to you, the faster a car will feel. This goes for real life, too. I tune my car for the drag strip, and when I race on the drag strip with over 400hp at 26psi of boost, the car feels fast. But on the rare occasion that I take my car on the street with that set up, the car is downright scary. I can't keep my foot in it for more than a few seconds. But at the drag strip, I keep my right foot on the floor the entire way down the track.

Most tracks don't have a lot of objects near the track for you to hit. Maple Valley isn't a real track, so they were able to make it feel faster with all the trees.

Rally racing is very different, of course. It deals with very narrow roads with tons of nearby objects that fly past you very quickly

Anyway, yeah, I'm still hooked on Forza. Level 30 and I'm still racing.

Yeah I agree with most of this. Nurburgring is the exception. That track looks gorgeous on F2. You are right, on most tracks there is just nothing around you to give you that sense of speed. With rally there certainly is, although trees aside, even the road moves faster in Dirt. And On a real race track there is that false sense of moving slow when you are not for that same reason of not enough close stuff around you. But, this is a game, and we don't have wind blowing in our hair, vibrations from the road and engine to help give us that real sense of speed so we need something in the game to give us that and make up for those missing things, even if it means to exaggerate it a little. This is where Forza fails. The cars seem really slow to me. People can fixate on the 60fps all they want, and the game is smooth, but i think it was a major negative to restrict themselves so high when a steady 45 fps with more things on screen to give you a better sense of speed would have been better. Better details in the road itself, grass on the sides of the road, rocks, more people...anything would have helped more. Nurburgring has these things, and even the messages on the pavement help add to the sense of speed on that track but for some reason the track is hardly ever used, and it's not the complete track.

Bottom line is, in Dirt, I feel like 80kph is faster then 200 mph in forza2.

Speed aside, the tracks still stuck, and just repeat over and over, and their complete lack of use of their best track...Nurburgring ( however you spell it) is just another fine example of a bad design. Forza 1 had much better tracks. The fantasy tracks were fabulous. That is what kills it the more for me. Same tracks over and over, same tracks as every other racing game.....bla bla boring.

I must admitt, I am lv 29 and totally burnt out on the career mode....just way to repetative..online is still fun but I'm burnt on the career mode...

Well, let me rain on this post. I still am quite disappointed with Forza. I fire it up from time to time to see if I can suffer through another lap and I end up turning it off. This is really odd as I am a car sim nut but Forza just doesn't do it for me. It's too slow, no sense of speed, and the tracks a repetitive and way too short. I got up to level 30 and just stoppped playing all together. BEtter games to play.

I was disappointed from the very first lap. Something is quite wrong when a stock Pontiac Solstice is incapable of taking a mild right turn at 40 mph without ending up in the gravel. Guess I'll be waiting until GT5.

I made it through the single player without ever getting bored with it. Some of the endurance races got a little tedious in the lower class cars, but it was still fun. I'd like to have more tracks, but thats true of any game that has tracks or maps - after a while, you want new ones.

There are new tracks coming as DLC. I'm pretty sure that Road America is coming.

http://www.roadamerica.com/track_maps.htm

I was disappointed from the very first lap. Something is quite wrong when a stock Pontiac Solstice is incapable of taking a mild right turn at 40 mph without ending up in the gravel. Guess I'll be waiting until GT5.

Are you certain it isn't the nut behind the wheel? :)

Overall, I've found Forza to be very realistic.

My complaints about Forza 2 is that the AI cheats. Two example. 1st the AI will always suddenly pick up speed with about two laps to go. Cars that was way behind closes real fast with about 1-2 laps left (but they also slow down if they are leading with 1-2 laps left) and the 2nd is the one that bugs me the most is the AI cars does not take damage at the rate you do. I seen AI cars with smoking engines that still go fast. I seen on replays that even when they get damaged over 75% on the engine they still run like they are at 100%. Also when you get tag, you get damage but the AI in a lot of cases shows no damage even tho the AI car shows crumpled parts. This gets fustrating, but if I ignore these few things I still enjoy playing Forza2. I do miss some of the tracks from Froza1 tho. I am at lev 37 and trying to win some R4 races...tough.

Addendum: I wish Forza2 would let us build our own R class cars instead of having to use a pre designed car.

Still loving this game too. Career mode has gotten a little dry but I haven't even started to tune my cars yet. Although, I am having great fun with a few of my friends online.

My complaints about Forza 2 is that the AI cheats. Two example. 1st the AI will always suddenly pick up speed with about two laps to go. Cars that was way behind closes real fast with about 1-2 laps left (but they also slow down if they are leading with 1-2 laps left) and the 2nd is the one that bugs me the most is the AI cars does not take damage at the rate you do.

If I was behind with a race coming to an end, I think I'd push a little harder. And if I was ahead, I think I'd probably play it a little safe (in fact, I know I do).

That just seems like good AI, not cheating.

If I was behind with a race coming to an end, I think I'd push a little harder. And if I was ahead, I think I'd probably play it a little safe (in fact, I know I do).

That just seems like good AI, not cheating.

The feel of cheating comes in that they couldn't keep up on a straight thru out the race but all of a sudden, they seem to get a boost in power with a few laps to go. Where does that sudden burst of power come from (Nitros????). Thats just doesnt seem right.

I tune my car for the drag strip, and when I race on the drag strip with over 400hp at 26psi of boost, the car feels fast.
What is your 60' and your car weight? I would have thought that a 400awhp Eclipse would be lower than 11.8's (not that it's not a respectable ET)

What is your 60' and your car weight? I would have thought that a 400awhp Eclipse would be lower than 11.8's (not that it's not a respectable ET)

My car is 3350lbs. My 60-ft was 1.676 on that run.

60-ft 1.676
1/8 7.620@93.69
1/4 11.825@117.55

It was warm that day. You can see that my smallish intercooler was hurting my top end. But that 93.69mph in the 1/8th was moving pretty good.

I've never actually dynoed my car. But given what I've seen other cars run, I think that ~400hp is about right, give or take 15hp.

I was the first guy in the 11s with the Evo III 16G turbo. Since then, other people have gone faster with it.

^^
Very nice. I've had thoughts of going turbo.

have not played single player for a long while. It is quite monotonous! I am on level 32. Anything past that (need to get lvl 40 for better cars) will be S. Ito's race (hired driver)! I just set up the driver to do the drity work, while I watch the Mets or something. :p

i do, however play multiplayer, but that is getting old as well. It is hard to find a decent race. All of the hype for this game, all of these so-called racing enthusiasts, all of the trash talkers who are #1.... where are they? All I get are demolition derbiers, drifters, idiots, people who quit out of the race, people who don't ready up, etc, etc, etc.

It took me 40 minutes to find a race yesterday. 3 of the 6 were driving good. The other 3 were stumbling around, crashing up the place, and quit early. *Forza sound effect*. I'm the host. I make things interesting... HP 400-500 Sunset. ... *sound effect* The other 3 left. This happens ALL THE TIME.

I don't know, maybe I'm just getting too old for video games. I rarely find people of the same maturity level as myself. And, it isn't that easy to synchronize with "friends"... Not to mention, many of the people who were playing, aren't playing anymore?

Seriously considering a PS3 when GT comes out. It looks beautiful, the 12 player races look amazing, and I imagine there will be a tighter, more mature crowd online? Maybe?

I don't know, maybe I'm just getting too old for video games. I rarely find people of the same maturity level as myself. And, it isn't that easy to synchronize with "friends"... Not to mention, many of the people who were playing, aren't playing anymore?


I will suggest that you join AGE (http://adultgamingenthusiasts.com/) and get into some good friends lists. Play with people you know, or at least people you will want to get to know.

For that matter, add me to your friends list.


Seriously considering a PS3 when GT comes out. It looks beautiful, the 12 player races look amazing, and I imagine there will be a tighter, more mature crowd online? Maybe?

People are people no matter what console. With GT, you will just have the potential for more people to quit, or no way to mute them, and a crippled friends list.

I want to add my $0.02 and say this is currently my favorite game. It has replaced GOW (though I still enjoy that game) as the permanent disc in my tray.

I'm at lvl 36 i think and I have yet to experience any AI "cheating" incidents. I have it set to medium i think so maybe that's why.

I have tried to approach this game by playing Arcade and Career progressively so that I don't get bored and keep the variety up. Upgrading, painting, and tuning have really sucked out all of my free time!

I've only done a couple endurance races, those have been cool and I've never hired a driver, because I feel like it's my role to race otherwise what's the point?

I haven't been able to play too often with my friends online, either room is full or they don't invite me :( But I'd love to race with more people on my FL. The GP rooms I have played in have been very pleasant...so I must be lucky in that respect.

I play with the bumper cam, so the sense of speed it pretty good to me. You can play Nurburgring if you test drive your car. I just want to finish the single player game this time. I played Forza until I got a B-Class Skyline built and then I only played it on-line, so this time I am trying to play the hole game and then get on-line. I think it is cool that they have tournaments to play, so I hope they are good.........

Oh yeah, I forgot about the camera changing the sense of speed. Playing with the bumper cam is the only way I can get my timing right in corners, so I play that on every game. And yes, the sense of speed is increased a ton.

I'm level 43 in career (~80% of races complete), and have finished the arcade / time trials 100%. I also havn't really noticed any "cheating" in the AI, aside from the fact that they have near perfect recovery ability when they get nudged. I definitely havn't noticed slow down / catch up AI, and usually the smoking cars slowly fall back into last place.

Im level 26 on forza and have burnt out. I find myself doing races ive done so i can get quick cash to buy a car and hook it up. I only really race split screen with my son and brother in law. Racing in real live is exhilarating. Seems like games need something extra to boost that feeling.

I am only on level 15, but am enjoying the game. I popped in PGR3 to compare and was blown away by how bad pgr3 looks and plays. I never realized how arcadish it is.

If any of you guys are interested in MP racing send me a FR (plus note identifying you as AVS unless your gamertag is apparent from this thread), I'd like to add a few more racers to my FL.

I was absolutely hooked on this game, but after not being able to play for a couple weeks (moving) it's been hard to get back into. I still think it's a great game that's very deep and well designed. I've never noticed AI cheats on any difficulty, I do a fair bit of letting AI get a head start because I like passing my way through a field and it's always been pretty consistent what parts of the track you gain/lose time on and by how much, regardless of what lap it is. Damage is hit and miss with AI (in general in this game) but if they do start smoking, they behave the same as if you were smoking. Try the factory spec races if you want to prove to yourself AI doesn't have any rubberband characteristics

As someone pointed out, bumper cam gives much more speed feel, plus I find it more realistic with the rear view and blind spots, etc

BTW, Nurinburgring (Sp?) is in the career mode in the later races that you unlock, around level 35ish if I remember correctly. It's definitely in 700hp and below series in Amatuer Series.

Instead of creating a new post, I thought I'd ad that there is a free car pack (Nissan) coming out tomorrow morning 8/1. Click here for the Details (www.forzamotorsport.net) .

I still play, and am having a blast. I play mostly solo right now, but have multiplayed some. I am around level 42 or 43 in career, and have found the difficulty to be much increased over earlier races mostly due to the speeds being much higher. But, I am a much better driver now so the game is relatively a little easier overall.

There are 47 track configurations, including the various test tracks.
There are 10 classes of cars.
There are 4 classes that you can not modify cars. R1,R2,R3,R4
There are 6 classes with a tremendous variety of cars, and many upgrades
There are a number of cars that you can change the drive train

The variety is there, it is just that the pure career mode does not use the full variety of tracks. If you find you are winning too easy in career mode, then do not use such an overpowered car for the race. When you have a race series highlighted, press "x" to show the cars the opponents are going to drive. Try using a similar or worse PI car compared to the opponents. If that is not enough, set the opponents to hard. Most of the "career mode is boring" comments I have seen (not all!) are from drivers that use A-class cars against C-class computer opponents.

Something else to do is to go through all the time trials while hooked into Live. You will get a world-wide rank for each track, and will get an overall rank once you race all of them. Since everyone in the world uses the exact same car, it is all up to you to tune and drive for a better time. Warning, some of these races may be *very* frustrating. A few of the cars are hard to control due to poor handling and extreme power. But, that is what makes the limited scope of time trials interesting.

You can go to http://forzamotorsport.net/scoreboards/Forza2/ to see your stats while away from the xbox, or in Forza2 go to the last tab in Multiplayer to see your world-wide rankings in Live. My real-life buddy and I compete race-by-race, and overall rankings to see who has the faster time. We do this in addition to multiplayer racing since we are often on at different times. He is often just a hair faster in time than me, the jerk!

Part of my long-term enjoyment may be from using a Playseats Evolution racing seat, a MS Wireless Wheel, a 8' screen projector setup, and a very nice home theater sound system. I also play 100% of the time in bumper cam mode with the rear-view mirror. Why-oh-why did they not center the rear view mirror and dashboard when using the drivers-seat mode? The combination, IMO, makes driving more difficult, not easier. But I gain a lot of simulation-style excitement. The longer races cause me to start sweating, and I am so into the race that nothing else exists.

In short, I love it. I can hardly wait for the next even-better racing simulation to come along. And I definitely do not enjoy the super-high-speed completely fake arcade style racing any more.

Are you certain it isn't the nut behind the wheel?

Being that a Solstice is a car I've spent quite a bit of time with, I think I know it pretty well (done several laps at Road America in both regular and GXP versions). Though have just test-driven an MX-5 with the retractable hardtop, I have to say that the Mazda is nicer overall.

Many of the reasons you posted Riblet are the reasons why I enjoy the game as well. Namely that in this game not only do we compete against other players world wide, but IMO also ourselves. Especially racing against my ghost it allows me to see flaws and moment's of genius (though more flaws).

Anyone else get the Peugeot DLC? For 63 cents, I figured why not...

Had to run to work so I didn't get a chance to actually drive it yet.

I'm at Level 31 and still having a lot of fun with the game. This is really the first "car sim" game that I've made any progress with (I consider PGR3 a little more arcadey than this). I've tried the Playstation GT games and even Forza 1 for the original Xbox but none could hold my interest for any length of time. Maybe it's the additional horsepower of the 360 but this is the first game where I really feel the difference in cars and have actually noticed my driving skills improve as I move thru the different car classes.

I'd like some more tracks and an in-dash view ala PGR3 but other than those two minor quibbles, I really can't find much to complain about.

I bought it at launch, got the wheel online for like $110 shipped...and never played the game. Just haven't had the time to get into another driving game.

Problem Point 2: The wheel feels sloppy, in face I've come dangerously close to just firing up GT4 on my PS3 with my Logitech wheel and go back through that game again.

I'm sure once I start to spend some time with Forza I'll get into it, but right now my current racing setup doesn't work with the MS wheel and that is a big problem.....being uncomfortable racing is very uncool and I'm not interested in necessarily building a cockpit.

Are those slideing-tray kind of things just too cheap and wobbly to use with the wheel?

I bought it at launch, got the wheel online for like $110 shipped...and never played the game. Just haven't had the time to get into another driving game.

Problem Point 2: The wheel feels sloppy, in face I've come dangerously close to just firing up GT4 on my PS3 with my Logitech wheel and go back through that game again.

I'm sure once I start to spend some time with Forza I'll get into it, but right now my current racing setup doesn't work with the MS wheel and that is a big problem.....being uncomfortable racing is very uncool and I'm not interested in necessarily building a cockpit.

Are those slideing-tray kind of things just too cheap and wobbly to use with the wheel?

Sounds like all your problems are created by you?

1. Find more time to play.
2. Mount the wheel.

3. (unrelated) GT4 is an understeering tractor sim.

dont get mad...Im just sayin'

Sounds like all your problems are created by you?


Did I ever suggest otherwise?


1. Find more time to play.

(writing this down...genius like this doesn't come along every day...)


2. Mount the wheel.


Did some searching..found a couple options online, then saw both of them are no longer produced. Luckily, the wooden one I saw looks pretty easy to replicate.
Something I can do over a weekend...and I think I already know how I'm going to get that job done....so this will likely happen sooner rather than later. I needed a weekend project, and I think I found it.


3. (unrelated) GT4 is an understeering tractor sim.


So is your momma.

Just Kidding, I disagree....with the Logitech wheel (the original, not the lousy 900 degree steering one that DOES make every vehicle feel like a sloppy-suspensioned Cadillac from the 70's), the game is quite fun to play and the 270 degree steering makes for nice, tight response. Plus, I know the tracks :)

I just hate the idea of having to re-race that one street rally circuit overa nd over to keep earning money........hopefully Forza can match that level of interest with me, I got really into GT4 and had great fun with it once I had my wheel setup.
I'm sure there is a way to get PS2 memory card data onto a PS3 but I'm not gonna spend any money to do it....dongles be damned.

Time to fix my current mounting setup (with ideas gleaned from web) and spend some time with Forza.

On the money thing, which I forgot to mention before, I have found that I can build a car for a specific series of races, and make back all the money it cost to build it. Sometimes I make back much more than it cost to build it. I also found that if you go ahead and push the car up to level 5 reputation, and do that for any car you drive through a series in, the savings start really adding up over the career. I do not do repetitive racing in career mode (except to hit that last few thousand to reach level 5 rep), and found I consistently go up in money. I have over 40 level five cars in my garage now... which really adds up to a lot of saved money in the long run.

If you find you have a real dog in your garage, but you have already raised it's reputation up a few notches, just sell off all the upgrades but leave the car in the garage. The discounts on upgrades from having a reputation with it may save you more than selling the car would, depending on model of course. If it is a car won during the career races, it is only worth 100 units to sell. So it is pretty much always better to keep than sell. Too bad forza did not include a "retired" garage to keep the old winners that you never drive any more.

I do wish there was an easy way to scroll through the garage...you know some sort of sort option...sort by class, by HP, by weight...whatever.

Oh well.

I do wish there was an easy way to scroll through the garage...you know some sort of sort option...sort by class, by HP, by weight...whatever.

Oh well.
There is, not immediately obvious (took me a month to notice it) but you can sort your cars by a bunch of different variables. When you are in the garage look at the bottom of the screen to find the button that brings up 'list mode' or something like that, once in there you can sort by, class, year, hp, make, region, etc.

There is, not immediately obvious (took me a month to notice it) but you can sort your cars by a bunch of different variables. When you are in the garage look at the bottom of the screen to find the button that brings up 'list mode' or something like that, once in there you can sort by, class, year, hp, make, region, etc.

Damit Flip, you're right! I did it a few times and just forgot about that feature. :o

But then you can't look at all the pretty paint jobs! :cool:

I do wish there was an easy way to scroll through the garage...you know some sort of sort option...sort by class, by HP, by weight...whatever.

Oh well.

How they could not have that one very simple feature baffles me. It would be so useful in multiplayer as well. Oversights like that really make me wonder. They did it for the auction house, but not for the core game?

As much as I hate things... I have to admit, I keep turning the darn game back on everytime! I'll be adding GT's when I get a chance. It is good when you have a full room of people!

edit: noted above post. I guess that will have to suffice.

Being that a Solstice is a car I've spent quite a bit of time with, I think I know it pretty well (done several laps at Road America in both regular and GXP versions). Though have just test-driven an MX-5 with the retractable hardtop, I have to say that the Mazda is nicer overall.

Honestly, I don't know what you are talking about with the Solstice not being able to go around mild corners at 40mph. I tried out the Solstice on Laguna Seca tonight. I was able to do the corkscrew at 40mph on the first lap. On other corners, I was doing 80.

Forza 2 should have been called Paint shop 360 :)

kidding

Hey what difficulty setting are you guys using? I am in level 48 in career mode and I race on the easy setting. I cant even stay with the pack on medium in lots of the races.

I've been racing on Hard and turning it down to medium if I just can't win a series. So far I've found the stock races to be the hardest in the game, especially the low class ones where they make you drive stock Exige's and stuff.

I have been on one step below hard from the start. Hard was too hard for me at the beginning, but it might be ok now.

Wow, I'm not surprized for the love for Forza 2 I like the game as well but you have some venom for Dirt that I don't agree with. I think Dirt is a fantastic game and although it is not of the same caliber of Forza it is far from a bad game (in fact I've been playing it more then Forza 2 lately just to mix up the racing grind that Forza starts to turn into if you play it all the time )
Cheers
Calvin

Wow, I'm not surprized for the love for Forza 2 I like the game as well but you have some venom for Dirt that I don't agree with. I think Dirt is a fantastic game and although it is not of the same caliber of Forza it is far from a bad game (in fact I've been playing it more then Forza 2 lately just to mix up the racing grind that Forza starts to turn into if you play it all the time )
Cheers
Calvin
I think Dirt is a lot of fun. It's just a completely different game than F2.

IMO, F2 is the movie that wins best picture, and Dirt is the action film that was fun to just sit back and enjoy......in movie terms.


GT: General Bourbon

I've been racing on Hard and turning it down to medium if I just can't win a series. So far I've found the stock races to be the hardest in the game, especially the low class ones where they make you drive stock Exige's and stuff.

These factory spec races are REALLY hard for me too. I've played this game on medium difficulty using only the brake line driving automatic transmission. I almost wonder if switching to manual transmission will give me a better edge in these races.

The F430 spec race has been a bitch so far.

These factory spec races are REALLY hard for me too. I've played this game on medium difficulty using only the brake line driving automatic transmission. I almost wonder if switching to manual transmission will give me a better edge in these races.

The F430 spec race has been a bitch so far.
A tip on these. You are allowed to upgrade the rims and still enter these races. It's a great way to get an extra 3-4 PI and get to the front of the starting grid.

I find the motoGP 07 demo more fun that the forza 2 full game. I sold forza 2 because of boredom. They cancel GTR 2 and give us Forza 2 and its flaws are...

- NO in car view
- Bad replays angles
- Lack of AA
- Sloppy multiplayer interface
- Long Loading times


The above the motogp 07 demo does better and is a hell of alot funner to play. IMHO

A tip on these. You are allowed to upgrade the rims and still enter these races. It's a great way to get an extra 3-4 PI and get to the front of the starting grid.

Thanks for the tip! I didn't realize that. Getting to the front of the start should definitely help.