http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-55843.aspx


During a official press conference in Amsterdam Microsoft and Bungie confirmed that Halo 3 will feature 4 player cooperative play on Xbox Live. More info coming soon.

"In Halo 3, the third installment of the legendary epic, the war has come to a climax; the Flood continues to grow in numbers and strength, the armies of Earth are scattered and decimated, and the Covenant threatens to activate the Halo, effectively destroying all life in the galaxy. Master Chief’s mission is to stop the Covenant, destroy the impending Flood threat and, ultimately, save mankind."

Worldwide availability starting september 25, 2007

Updates:
4 player co-op is regarding the singleplayer missions

I'm glad that story mode co op is now confirmed. It is what i look forward to the most.

This is good news indeed.

As much as I love playing GOW online, the co-op mode was most memorable for me.

no chance in 4 player co-op split screen right? I could care less about live but that is very good news for those that use it...awesome.

Unbelievable news!! I hope it is true.


no chance in 4 player co-op split screen right? I could care less about live but that is very good news for those that use it...awesome.
I would say yes. If it's offered via Live it should be offered locally as well.

IIRC, co-op split screen (and system link) was already confirmed. The only question mark was online co-op. Now that that is confirmed I am super happy.

4 player online co-op? Thats incredible considering a few months ago they weren't sure if they could pull off online co-op at all.

Good job Bungie!

I knew split screen co-op 2 player was confirmed, but 4 player split screen.....no way? without system link that is.

Wow!!! Unbelievable multi-player + 4 player co-op.

4 players? I bet the battles are going to be intense.

I wonder who the 2 other characters are going to be?

Is this 'confirmed confirmed', or just 'confirmed'? Are there any other sources, or is this blog the only one?

Is this 'confirmed confirmed', or just 'confirmed'? Are there any other sources, or is this blog the only one?


Knowing Bungie they will give an update on the web within the next 24 hours they said it was offcially announced if you go too www.n4g.com they had an official event and that is when it was officially confirmed the link is through there.

Is this 'confirmed confirmed', or just 'confirmed'? Are there any other sources, or is this blog the only one?
I hear you. I think we should all calm down until we hear something from MS and/or Bungie. I just checked out the press release page at MS and there is nothing there.

Can someone check out Bungie? I can't access gaming sites at work.

I now get the feeling that Bungie has successfully played us like a fiddle.

How fake was that news about not knowing if they could get online co-op working? In the meantime the beta test code had signs pointing to 4 player co-op. It's not a small feature that just gets thrown in at the last minute.

I have a feeling Bungie planted false information to confuse the competition and to lower expectations of the fans, only to give us a great surprise later on and grab more attention.

They are keeping themselves in the news and building excitement.

Well, it worked on me. I am ready for some H3!

I hear you. I think we should all calm down until we hear something from MS and/or Bungie. I just checked out the press release page at MS and there is nothing there.

Can someone check out Bungie? I can't access gaming sites at work.

Nothing obvious on bungie.net, just some blurbs about comic-con and new details that will come out in the latest version of EGM mag. Maybe we will get a confirmation soon?

4 player online co-op through the single player campaign would be incredibly awesome, especially given the rumor online co-op wasn't going to be there at all...

I now get the feeling that Bungie has successfully played us like a fiddle.

How fake was that news about not knowing if they could get online co-op working? In the meantime the beta test code had signs pointing to 4 player co-op. It's not a small feature that just gets thrown in at the last minute.

I have a feeling Bungie planted false information to confuse the competition and to lower expectations of the fans, only to give us a great surprise later on and grab more attention.

They are keeping themselves in the news and building excitement.

Well, it worked on me. I am ready for some H3!


Wouldn't be the first time they have done this.

Love,
Bungie.

:)

It's official guys. Joystiq has picked up the story and they claim they received confirmation from Bungie.

It's official guys. Joystiq has picked up the story and they claim they received confirmation from Bungie.

woot! i'm doing the happy dance.

woot! i'm doing the happy dance.


Which version :D

Online Co-Op almost always = Instant Buy for me.

[Mr. Burns]Excellent![/Mr. Burns]

I was pretty bummed with the rumors of no Live co-op.

1up.com has a story on it as well. I guess it's real.

How stupid is it of Bungie to let everyone think there was NO multiplayer for over a week, and then drop this on us? God I hate hype/pr.

In celebration:

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/155501406320070731173732.jpg

This could get me to buy a 360......well, once the 65nm chips are inside.

This could get me to buy a 360......well, once the 65nm chips are inside.

who cares about the chips? it's all about the games. seriously, what are the newer chips going to do other than let the system run a few degrees cooler?

who cares about the chips? it's all about the games. seriously, what are the newer chips going to do other than let the system run a few degrees cooler?Oh, I don't know, maybe have a significantly lower probability of dying??? :rolleyes:

I agree the 360 has the most content I'm interested in, but there are plenty of good PC titles coming out this fall to occupy my gaming time.

I call "no get" on playing as the Arbiter.

I actually wasn't going to buy this, as I never really liked the Halo games too much. But 4 player campaign co-op? I'll buy.

Yea, coop splitscreen = im there!

Perhaps the update will be over live and not on the disc. Anyone know for sure? Perhaps they were just stating this story so they wouldn't have to admit that the DVD doesn't have a large enough capacity to hold everything. (this would be admitting that bluray has an advantage and I doubt they would do that). Thus letting them offer it to us via our HD and not taking up any other DVD storage space. Either way, I couldn't care less as long as I have co-op but I sure don't like all the dog and pony shows.

Perhaps the update will be over live and not on the disc. Anyone know for sure? Perhaps they were just stating this story so they wouldn't have to admit that the DVD doesn't have a large enough capacity to hold everything. (this would be admitting that bluray has an advantage and I doubt they would do that). Thus letting them offer it to us via our HD and not taking up any other DVD storage space. Either way, I couldn't care less as long as I have co-op but I sure don't like all the dog and pony shows.
Perhaps they plan to have a robot hand deliver the game to us? It's possible. Unlikely, but possible.

Perhaps the update will be over live and not on the disc. Anyone know for sure? Perhaps they were just stating this story so they wouldn't have to admit that the DVD doesn't have a large enough capacity to hold everything. (this would be admitting that bluray has an advantage and I doubt they would do that). Thus letting them offer it to us via our HD and not taking up any other DVD storage space. Either way, I couldn't care less as long as I have co-op but I sure don't like all the dog and pony shows.

You have to remember, Halo 3 isnt using HD-DVD... so how does this prove that Blue Ray is better?? I mean it is.. Halo 3 is on regular DVD..

Haha, it went from no co-op to 4 player co-op. Hilarious.

I think they do these things to keep the interest on the game the next month or so... slowly release little nuggets of awesome information to keep the excitement alive.

But I do hope they increase enemy count with the number of players present. This way it will keep the game from being a first-come, first-serve for kills.

Where did that pic come from? I hadn't seen that one.

But I do hope they increase enemy count with the number of players present. This way it will keep the game from being a first-come, first-serve for kills.
I'm with you there... otherwise it's either going to be waaay too easy for four players, or waaay too hard for just one player.

4 player split screen on the pj = :)

Well this certainly makes me a VERY happy boy! :D :D :D

Folks.....This is Bungie. They are as good as it gets when it comes to both creating games and creating hype. 4 player co-op in my opinion is one giGANTIC feat. Can you imagine how much has to go into making the single player campaign let alone worrying about how it performs with 4 at once?

I think we are going to see the same type of surprise when it comes to the graphics, I really do. This is exactly what happened with Halo 2......they showed us video after video that people kept saying "Meh, looks ok, gameplay looks great though"....then all of a sudden when the game was released it was like they injected graphical juice into it at the last minute.

Those are some sly geniuses at Bungie.

From Bungie.net

The Tru7h About Co-Op in Halo 3
Posted by lukems at 7/31/2007 1:49 PM PDT

It’s time for us to sack up and tell you what’s what regarding online co-op.

So you were probably wondering why we didn’t want to commit to two player co-op online over Xbox Live. We certainly got plenty of mail asking, no, demanding that we make it happen. Of course we were working on it, but we were also working on something better. Not two player co-op. Not three-player co-op, but up to four player co-op. Online. On Xbox Live, or sure, System Link if you prefer.

That is correct – up to four player co-op in Campaign mode on Xbox Live or System Link.

We’ve been playing it for quite some time, and bluntly, having some of our greatest ever Halo experiences. We wanted to make sure all our “t”s were crossed and our “i”s dotted before unveiling this important new part of Halo 3’s Campaign mode.

Apart from the horrifying network challenges this new mode presented us, were the various gameplay balance issues it adds to the fray. So we got it all together, polished it, and that’s why we’re revealing it now. As a result, you’re going to want to play co-op as hard as you can stomach it. We’d certainly recommend Legendary, but we’ll be revealing some more ways to make the game more interesting and challenging for multiple players in the very near future.

Acting as a team is a fantastic new twist to the Campaign gameplay – something that works as well on foot, in close confines as it does on the battlefield, with large scale vehicle mayhem. Scared of Jackal snipers? Send out a scout to see what dangers lie ahead. Terrified of an open field? Flank your enemies and swipe their rides. The combinations and scenarios are endless – and you’ll be able to enjoy them time and time again in Saved Films of your co-op exploits.

We mentioned that we’ve been having a blast. We have a lot of stories. Many of them would require that we explain some of the reasons replay will be a big factor, but not quite yet. Soon, we promise.

Like every other aspect of Halo 3, this mode is chosen from a Lobby. Simply select Campaign, choose your network (Xbox Live or System Link) and invite your friends to join you, or they can simply join your session once it’s set up and in a lobby (but they cannot join a game once it’s in-progress). They will pop into your lobby instantly, and when you have all the players you need (anywhere from one to four) you can begin the game from the beginning – or from any of your saved checkpoints.

Split-screen co-op is as ever, limited to two players per screen – but they can if they wish join two other friends online or via System Link.

For fictional reasons, we decided to avoid Halo’s slightly surreal compromise of two identical Master Chiefs and rather, use this opportunity to expand the Halo universe just a little bit. Player one will control the Master Chief, player two will control the Arbiter and players three and four will get the chance to control two brand new Elite characters.



Allow us to introduce them:

PLAYER 3 (Sangheili)

Name: N’tho ‘Sraom
Affiliation: Fleet of Retribution/Special Warfare Group/Special Operations
History: N’tho ‘Sraom is the youngest member of his Special Operations unit and is one of a growing number of human sympathizers amongst the Sangheili youth. He is a fairly typical young male adult Sangheili—he began compulsory military service at the end of adolescence, and remains unmarried with no close, non-familial relationships outside of his martial order. N’tho Sraom refused to stand idly by while the Prophets replaced Sangheili units with Jiralhanae packs, and now bears deep resentment toward those Sangheili politicians who landed his kind in their current predicament.

Although N’tho ‘Sraom’s romanticized nationalism is emblematic of all Sangheili, he has developed a healthy respect for humanity—not for their physical abilities or martial prowess, but for their audacity and resolve.

PLAYER 4 (Sangheili)

Name: Usze ‘Taham
Affiliation: Fleet of Retribution/Special Warfare Group/Fleet Security
History: Although Usze ‘Taham was born into a respected merchant family he was fathered by Toha ‘Sumai—one of the preeminent swordfighters of this age. Usze graduated with honors from the top War College in the Iruiru region of Yermo, Sanghelios (a distinction he shares with Rtas 'Vadum). Shortly after receiving his first post within the Covenant Navy he was offered a place on the Prophets’ Honor Guard but he declined citing “lack of practical experience”. In truth, he had no desire to be part of a largely ceremonial unit, and at the end of his third combat tour, Usze ‘Taham again refused the post—even though his superiors warned him such behavior could be misinterpreted as apostasy.

Since that time Usze has evaded countless punitive actions, at least two assassination attempts, and served with distinction for two additional tours before the Schism. Following the dissolution of the Covenant, he was approached by the Ascetics to become one of their liaisons within the Navy.


Every player will have identical abilities – only their appearance and weapon starts are different (Elites will start with Carbines versus Battle Rifles for example, depending on the mission). So there you have it. Mystery solved. Internet dramas ended. Four player online co-op it is. And a special thanks to the test, engineering, production and design teams who worked incredibly hard to make this feature happen.

Bam!

No other game that I can recall has this many options and features to play with. I barely even touched the customizing in Halo 2 because I always had so much fun just playing online and/or the single player campaign. There is going to be enough meat to this game to play for years!

And there you have it CONFIRMATION

There is a few nitpicks in there but overall I think it sounds pretty incredible.

I think the other co-op info they refer to has already been leaked somewhere. I remember reading about the new mode where they keep track of your co-op performance. Sort of like stats in the multiplayer they will do the same thing in the single player. You will get points for good performance in single player.

Bam! indeed.

Bungie FTW :D

Apart from the horrifying network challenges this new mode presented us, were the various gameplay balance issues it adds to the fray. So we got it all together, polished it, and that’s why we’re revealing it now. As a result, you’re going to want to play co-op as hard as you can stomach it. We’d certainly recommend Legendary, but we’ll be revealing some more ways to make the game more interesting and challenging for multiple players in the very near future.

This is the big question right there. Apart from playing on Legendary, how do you scale the difficulty for 4 people?

You can probably make other adjustments to # of enemies, aggressiveness of the AI, what weps they have, how easy it is for you to die, etc. Much like the match settings in MP. Very curious to see what they have up their sleeve in this regard.

It also stands to reason that if they can pull off 4 player co-op, there is also the ability to play MP against AI. Like RB6:V TH.

Halo3 Game of the Year.. FTW!!!!

In one of my previous posts I think I called out halo 3 having 4 player co-op. Definitley going to be spending even more time playing halo 3 now.

Just when I thought I was no longer interested in this franchise....

Wooo Bungie definitely redeemed themselves with this! A few weeks ago I was so dissapointed when I heard the rumor of no online co-op and was considering skipping the title completley and waiting for UT3. I cant wait - this title just became a must buy for me!

haha, i f-n knew it... where are all the nay-sayers from a few weeks ago?

this news is most excellent. i had waited for halo 3 for so long the excitement had pretty much gone away, now i'm f-n psyched!

this is f'ing awesome news
bravo bungie...

You have to remember, Halo 3 isnt using HD-DVD... so how does this prove that Blue Ray is better?? I mean it is.. Halo 3 is on regular DVD..

My point wasn't that bluray was better than hd dvd, my point was that the ps3 has the ability to handle larger games due to bluray over 360's dvd drive. nothing at all to do with the format war.

This is great news for the Xbox! I think with the release of more little nuggets like this, the price drop, the new 3 year warranty, the new chips, and the amazing game list of Holiday 07', if this doesn't put the 360 on top then quite frankly people...the terrorists have won. No just kidding, if this doesn't put the 360 on top of the charts then I can't see them winning in 08'. Even my dad is now going to buy a 360.

This game is looking better and better every day!!

Do we assume that Halo 3 will do more than Halo 2 opening day?? Halo 2 did like a 125 million, correct? That is such an insane number.... I would assume Halo 3 to be up there... With 12 million+ 360's I would assume that about 50% plan to Halo 3? I know every single one of my friend that have a 360 that are hard core gamers, to just sport players plan on picking up Halo 3 on release day.

I also have 5 buddies from college that also are planning on picking up a 360 + Halo 3 on launch day because they want in on the weekly Xbox Live games that we have setup and know it is such a great way for all us from college to get together on a weekly basis at a set time to just talk and have fun playing Halo.

Honestly, this news that there is 4player co-op is just awesome and I was totally bummed to hear that there would not be any.. but I made sure I called everyone today to let them know and everyone is PUMPED!!!

Thanks Bungie.. my finance is already pissed because I keep telling her the amount of time I will be wasting playing Halo... she just told me that I need to go buy another HDTV because she does not want to watch TV on a standard definition TV :) wooooot!!!

Gamestop reported that they had some ungodly number of pre-orders. Something like 4 million. H2 had 1.5M pre-orders, if I remember correctly.

I'm doing my pre-order tonight. I'll pick the game up Sept. 25th 12:00am (or I'll be in line to pick it up at that time). I'll also try to convince my friends to get 360s and Halo3.

I hope they ship out enough games to satisfy the pre-orders.

On another note, why o why did they make the player 3 & 4 character names un-pronounceable? We need to come up with nick names for these guys.

Tim and Bill.

Tim and Bill.


Ted and Bill from Ted and Bill's Excellent Adventure with downloadable surfer voices.

2 player split screen. Did I read this right? No 4 player split screen co op. Meh

Class picture of 2007

http://www.bungie.net/images/News/InlineImages2007/4pFTW.jpg

They prob just didn't like the fact that Free Radical 1upd them with 4player co-op in Haze... I was really looking forward to this title because of this but now I think i'm more interested in H3 since all my buddies only have 360s

NOw , that is fantastic news!!!

Halo 3 is going to be the engine of the 360 to the end of this year.

NOw , that is fantastic news!!!

Halo 3 is going to be the engine of the 360 to the end of this year.


I think you and someone else owe me an online game since this is official now :D

As stated previously, I think best part of playing Gears of War was online co op on story mode, very memorable and fun playing that with my brother in japan....but 4 player? hmm, interesting, VERY cool....a thread should be started to pair up people into 4 player groups! Just a thought....

Great news.

Will there be offline 4 player split screen coop as well? I would think this would be easier than doing it online. I would rather play with friends that are sitting next to me.

Yes by system link

Perfect!

I think you and someone else owe me an online game since this is official now :D

Indeed, indeed...I won't back out...

Great news.

Will there be offline 4 player split screen coop as well? I would think this would be easier than doing it online. I would rather play with friends that are sitting next to me.


i think you can play 2 player co-op on 1 xbox and 4 player co-op on 2 xboxs via system link.

Perhaps the update will be over live and not on the disc. Anyone know for sure? Perhaps they were just stating this story so they wouldn't have to admit that the DVD doesn't have a large enough capacity to hold everything.Where on earth are you getting the idea that the online co-op won't be on the shipped version? None of the stories mention this feature coming as an update.

i think you can play 2 player co-op on 1 xbox and 4 player co-op on 2 xboxs via system link.


That is how I understood it as well. Sucks, I don't care about 4 player co-op over live so it's a non issue to me. But 4 guys co-op on one screen....fun.

Well, with a Core costing 250 soon, 4 player via system link would be worth the purchase...that is if you have 3 friends to play with and another 50 bucks for a second Halo 3.

Where on earth are you getting the idea that the online co-op won't be on the shipped version? None of the stories mention this feature coming as an update.

It was stated in a previous thread as well as numerous articles such as this one http://www.adamcreighton.com/blogs/gaming/2007/07/no-halo-3-live-co-op.html that the online co-op would be released after H3 had shipped via a live update.

Here is one such quote.

O'Conner does say the feature could show up later as a downloadable update, and that they know people want it ("We're not dumb").

Guess you haven't been following this discussion at all

It was stated in a previous threadCorrection: It was rumored in a previous thread.

as well as numerous articles such as this one http://www.adamcreighton.com/blogs/gaming/2007/07/no-halo-3-live-co-op.html that the online co-op would be released after H3 had shipped via a live update.Yes, welcome to two weeks ago. I'm asking what news you've seen NOW from Bungie's web site or the numerous announcements that indicates that this is STILL the case.

Guess you haven't been following this discussion at allI've followed the part where you were condescending, at least. :rolleyes:

Well, with a Core costing 250 soon, 4 player via system link would be worth the purchase...that is if you have 3 friends to play with and another 50 bucks for a second Halo 3.

...and 3 extra sticks if you don't already have them, another TV...HD of course, and speakers for them too.

MAn, gaming is an expensive hobbie

Correction: It was rumored in a previous thread.

Yes, welcome to two weeks ago. I'm asking what news you've seen NOW from Bungie's web site or the numerous announcements that indicates that this is STILL the case.

I've followed the part where you were condescending, at least. :rolleyes:

I don't consider it to be "rumored" when people are quoting direct statements from people associated with Bungie. Do you?

Did you say "now"... no, you never said that. You asked where I got the idea. There is your answer. If nobody is saying it will be on the released disc after they already stated it would be available via a live download then I have good reason to believe that it is still not on the disc.

I don't consider it to be "rumored" when people are quoting direct statements from people associated with Bungie. Do you?When said statements contain a lot of words like "if" and "may" and other qualifiers that indicate high uncertainty, then yes: I consider it a rumor, even if it's from an inside source.

Then there's your notion that disc space was somehow the limiting factor for online co-op. We probably shouldn't touch that one.

Did you say "now"... no, you never said that.Not specifically. I was, however, talking about current events.

You asked where I got the idea. There is your answer.That's all I needed to know.

...and 3 extra sticks if you don't already have them, another TV...HD of course, and speakers for them too.

MAn, gaming is an expensive hobbie

What you don't have those things just laying around the house? :p

Maybe the 3 friends should buy their own controllers. They are using someone else's house, tv, console, game etc. Gaming eats the wallet and time. Some people would need to sell illegal substances to support their gaming habit, which is ironic and I do not condone it.

Live or 2 player co-op sound easier.

When said statements contain a lot of words like "if" and "may" and other qualifiers that indicate high uncertainty, then yes: I consider it a rumor, even if it's from an inside source.

Then there's your notion that disc space was somehow the limiting factor for online co-op. We probably shouldn't touch that one.

Not specifically. I was, however, talking about current events.

That's all I needed to know.

Where in this statement does it contain "if" and "may"??? This is a direct quote from a link in the first post of that thread.

"There’s some bad news for those of you looking forward to playing through the campaign with a buddy over live, as of now, Bungie has not worked out the problems with Live co-op and it will only be available over system link for the time being. No mention was made of the rumored four player co-op. Additionally, while playing co-op one player will be controlling the Master Chief while the other player will be controlling the Arbiter. No mention of four player co-op was made."

I guess it's also only rumored that Halo 3 will come out next month.

P.S. it's not a rumor that space is a concern with DVD. I for one would have loved for Gears to have been a longer game than it was.

Why is it so hard to post a theory in here without people being so critical and disecting every aspect of things said? Just let it go.

What you don't have those things just laying around the house? :p

Maybe the 3 friends should buy their own controllers. They are using someone else's house, tv, console, game etc. Gaming eats the wallet and time. Some people would need to sell illegal substances to support their gaming habit, which is ironic and I do not condone it.

Live or 2 player co-op sound easier.

actually.....I do have 3 hdtv's, plasma, lcd, and front projection. 3 5.1 stereo's and 4 controllers :)

So split screen would be easier for me :)

What is funny is that I have all of that, but there is no way in H@#% I could convince the woman that I "need" another 360. Especially after the first one died on me.

You are right, friends need their own stuff.

...and 3 extra sticks if you don't already have them, another TV...HD of course, and speakers for them too.

MAn, gaming is an expensive hobbie

Generally speaking if you have 4 people to play Halo you should normally have at least of 2 you that own the game and a system right? If you want to make it convenient for everyone else then you buy extra stuff to have on hand otherwise it's BYO stuff.

Where in this statement does it contain "if" and "may"??? This is a direct quote from a link in the first post of that thread."If" and "may" appear in numerous blogs and other stories on the subject, including O'Connor's quote in the article you linked to. I don't really care much about what happened in a previous thread on AVS.

I guess it's also only rumored that Halo 3 will come out next month.If you want to look at it that way, knock yourself out. (*shrug*)

P.S. it's not a rumor that space is a concern with DVD. I for one would have loved for Gears to have been a longer game than it was. Gears' DVD still had half a gig of space left on it. Development time was a factor, not disc space. I'm not disputing that DVD-9 is about at the end of its useful life, but it's nonsense to say that H3's online co-op is about disc space when for all we know it could be on the shipped title.

Why is it so hard to post a theory in here without people being so critical and disecting every aspect of things said? Just let it go.Well-informed theories are always welcome. Uninformed speculation and snide "guess you weren't following the conversation" quips won't make you many friends.

Uninformed speculation and snide "guess you weren't following the conversation" quips won't make you many friends.

Guess the "where on earth" comment was meant to be pleasant and insightful. BTW you hit the nail on the head-a theory IS UNINFORMED SPECULATION! If it was well informed it wouldn't be a threory. One of the best statements you have made yet.

Guess the "where on earth" comment was meant to be pleasant and insightful. BTW you hit the nail on the head-a theory IS UNINFORMED SPECULATION! If it was well informed it wouldn't be a threory. One of the best statements you have made yet.


Damn you are arguing about 2 week old info vs an official statement made yesterday on Bungie's website. There is no rumor that it is delayed it has been officially announced it will go on sale 25 September this year and 4 player online co-op has been confirmed vs specualtion that 2 player online co-op might not come or arrive by download. Have you READ the latest info vs living in the past. Catch up

Why is it so hard to post a theory in here without people being so critical and disecting every aspect of things said? Just let it go.

u mad?

Damn you are arguing about 2 week old info vs an official statement made yesterday on Bungie's website. There is no rumor that it is delayed it has been officially announced it will go on sale 25 September this year and 4 player online co-op has been confirmed vs specualtion that 2 player online co-op might not come or arrive by download. Have you READ the latest info vs living in the past. Catch up

Where was it said on Bungie's website that the co-op will be on the disc and not via live update? That is the basis of the argument. Perhaps I'm not the one who needs to catch up.

chadly,

no one cares how it's delivered as long it is. Time to move on buddy.

Look, the only point I was trying to make that perhaps DVD-9 was a limiting factor in H3. I am not upset if I have to dl it or if it comes on the disc. Is it too hard to believe that there could be some sacrafices due to DVD's space limitation?

Moving on.

Look, the only point I was trying to make that perhaps DVD-9 was a limiting factor in H3. I am not upset if I have to dl it or if it comes on the disc. Is it too hard to believe that there could be some sacrafices due to DVD's space limitation?Moving on.
Don't you recognize the issue here? The problem is you are subscribing to a "theory" that has absolutely no merit and is part of a Sony smear campaign that Sony fanboys perpetuate.

It is common knowledge that the DVD-9 spec does not limit present day game development (to wit: Gears of War). Sure, it could be an issue at some point but it isn't a problem now or in the foreseeable future.

If a developer complains about space, perhaps they should hire more competent programmers. :D

If the coop was going to be a download, then Bungie would have said so in the press release.

The space issue is bunk as including coop play is going to have minimum impact on storage space (it is not like you are going to have a new level just for coop).

Give it a rest.

This following isn't directed at anyone imparticular:

As a general matter, the DVD-9 arguement is the type of argument PS3 fanboys make to try to prove the PS3 is a superior gaming machine. They are forced to rely on these arguments because they don't have the best evidence possible, i.e. better games with better game play. Because the concrete evidence shows that the 360 is a better gaming machine, the PS3 fans are forced to concoct various theoretical arguments regarding disc storage space and such. That can't just point to better games because they don't have any. If they had better games, they would use that as evidence that the PS3 is a better gaming machine. Since they don't, here we are talking about DVD-9 disc space.

Im really confused. This game is going to have more features/content than any other game in the history of console gaming, so how is the DVD-9 thing an issue??????

Can we please stop talking about DVD-9 and disk space... I rather listen to fingers nails on a chalkboard.

Can we please stop talking about DVD-9 and disk space... I rather listen to fingers nails on a chalkboard.
for real - and i'd rather j3rk off with a hand full of thumb-tacks...

Im really confused. This game is going to have more features/content than any other game in the history of console gaming, so how is the DVD-9 thing an issue??????

I am confused as well. It is strange how it can be an issue for some games but not for others. It obviously is an issue as stated by the makers of PGR4. I am not a developer so I do not completely understand.

In celebration:

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/155501406320070731173732.jpg
Wow. Who said H3 didn't have great graphics. THat pic is amazing.

It looks like brutes are actually shooting rockets into those drop ships. One is already exploding and the other is about to.

So now I am a Sony troll.... Look through my posts and you will see nothing to that extent. I own all three machines. In fact I have owned every machine since I bought my atari to play pitfall.

The reason I have been following these threads is because I am a big fan of the halo series and want to play with my friends over live.

The basis of my original post in here was not to upset diehard 360 owners but to question why bungie made the announcement two weeks ago that online co-op wouldn't be in the final version (when they probably knew all along it would be). Was it simply a marketing technique to get people excited? Or was it to avoid telling people that it wouldn't fit? If what gameboy said is true that it wouldn't add much space to the game (I know nothing about developing games) then what I wrote was clearly not right. If it isn't correct then fine. I'm not upset about it. I've been wrong before. We'll see how it works when it is released.

for real - and i'd rather j3rk off with a hand full of thumb-tacks...
My gOd, the painful visions.

So now I am a Sony troll.... Look through my posts and you will see nothing to that extent. I own all three machines. In fact I have owned every machine since I bought my atari to play pitfall.

The reason I have been following these threads is because I am a big fan of the halo series and want to play with my friends over live.

The basis of my original post in here was not to upset diehard 360 owners but to question why bungie made the announcement two weeks ago that online co-op wouldn't be in the final version (when they probably knew all along it would be). Was it simply a marketing technique to get people excited? Or was it to avoid telling people that it wouldn't fit? If what gameboy said is true that it wouldn't add much space to the game (I know nothing about developing games) then what I wrote was clearly not right. If it isn't correct then fine. I'm not upset about it. I've been wrong before. We'll see how it works when it is released.

I dont understand why your worried about it at all as its been confirmed, but this is actually something Bungie has been doing for quite some time. They dont confirm or deny anything until THEY are ready to. Its nothing new, and its just part of their marketing strategy. Nothing to fret over.

Bungie downplaying the ability to do online co-op was probably a PR move.

Promise Little --> Deliver A Lot

Everyone is happy!!

The screenshot does look great. Of course it is not giving us a first person view so it may or may not be in game, but it is pretty nonetheless.

I really like how the Halo series uses color. Too many FPS games try to be all hardcore gritty realistic and end up being just plain brown (gears). With these next gen hd systems they can do amazing things with color so bring it on.

The screenshot does look great. Of course it is not giving us a first person view so it may or may not be in game, but it is pretty nonetheless.

I really like how the Halo series uses color. Too many FPS games try to be all hardcore gritty realistic and end up being just plain brown (gears). With these next gen hd systems they can do amazing things with color so bring it on.
Bungie has stated that they take these screenshots by using the saved game feature and the floating camera. It's a good chance this is actual game play.

I'm just not sure if watching a game on replay gets enhanved aliasing though.

Bungie has stated that they take these screenshots by using the saved game feature and the floating camera. It's a good chance this is actual game play.

I'm just not sure if watching a game on replay gets enhanved aliasing though.

Yeah, I thought about that after posting and considered editing to that effect. I hope that it is really a screenshot, but why not just give us an actual in game first person view screenshot? I suspect that what you say may be true, and that it allows them to touch the screenshot up a bit with aliasing.

I wonder if the choice of master chief is random or assignable? I can see some fights over this."No I want to be master chief. No I do, you be an elite. No you."

I believe everything that the developers leak out before a game is a PR move. I mean if they just confirmed that there was gonna be 4 player co-op 2 weeks ago people would be happy and it would make a little press. But with what they said a few weeks ago it brought upon huge discussion and outcries to the gaming community. Now they confirm it and the issue is a home run.

Same will probably go for the screenshots, they just get prettier and better looking the closer it gets to release.

I wonder if the choice of master chief is random or assignable? I can see some fights over this."No I want to be master chief. No I do, you be an elite. No you."
I would bet money that the person creating the party is going to player 1 (the MC) and the next people will automatically be assigned in the order they join. Although they could have something similar to changing team colors in Halo 2.....

The basis of my original post in here was not to upset diehard 360 owners but to question why bungie made the announcement two weeks ago that online co-op wouldn't be in the final version (when they probably knew all along it would be).

They didn't make that announcement.

Here is Frankie's post on the matter:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12669

Co-op Hokey Pokey

The Internets hair was lit on fire this week and in between running around the kitchen screaming and waiting for the faucet to fill up with the cool water of logic a bunch of hair got torched. Have you ever smelled burnt hair? Were not recommending you go out and try and A) burn your own hair or B) burn someone elses hair, but just take our word for it the smell of burnt hair is the smell of a thousand failures being vomited from the gullet of a tentacled creature hiding in a wet hole. Its gross.

We didnt start the fire, but a series of reports that spread from an unfortunate leak of an upcoming issue of U.S. enthusiast magazine Electronic Gaming Monthly spiraled out of control and suddenly reports on the Internet included salacious headlines like Halo 3 Co-Op Heads Offline and heads needed to be dipped in ice water in order to prevail.

All we confirmed to EGM for their sweet, mind-twitterpating Campaign reveal (and other massive feature reveal) regarding Cooperative Play in Halo 3s Campaign is that System Link co-op will be included in Halo 3. Just like we told EGM, were aware that people want co-op online but the challenge of getting our complicated A.I. systems, huge game world, and gargantuan encounters neatly packaged and transferring across the Interwebz is a mythic undertaking. Nonetheless, like other elements of Halo 3, online co-op is a feature were wrestling with somewhere in a muddy and muggy Florida swamp against a ton-toothed Alligator, but, what we havent really talked about is how big the knife we brought to the wrasslin match is.

All that said, EGM doesnt really know whether or not Halo 3 will ship with online co-op, only Bungie knows. The only thing they did know is that co-op was available for split-screen and System Link. As we approach the tail end of development, we will have a clearer picture of whether or not that online feature will be included. Assuming either way would be foolish at this time. We will say more when we feel its prudent. Because thats how we roll.

They didn't make that announcement.

Here is Frankie's post on the matter:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12669

Thanx for the correction. I assumed that the articles in the previous thread were from individuals in the know at Bungie.

So now I am a Sony troll.... Look through my posts and you will see nothing to that extent. I own all three machines. In fact I have owned every machine since I bought my atari to play pitfall.

The reason I have been following these threads is because I am a big fan of the halo series and want to play with my friends over live.

The basis of my original post in here was not to upset diehard 360 owners but to question why bungie made the announcement two weeks ago that online co-op wouldn't be in the final version (when they probably knew all along it would be). Was it simply a marketing technique to get people excited? Or was it to avoid telling people that it wouldn't fit? If what gameboy said is true that it wouldn't add much space to the game (I know nothing about developing games) then what I wrote was clearly not right. If it isn't correct then fine. I'm not upset about it. I've been wrong before. We'll see how it works when it is released.


Because Bungie has been known to do this. To some of us this is not a surprise and this is not the first time a developer has said one thing and come back 24 hours later and state the opposite. No different then Sony Japan President stating there is no plans for a price drop and then the following day Jack Tretton officially announces the price drop even though CC leaked the ad showing such drop. Bungie is very well known of doing these things in the past for the hype and surprise.

Yeah, I thought about that after posting and considered editing to that effect. I hope that it is really a screenshot, but why not just give us an actual in game first person view screenshot? I suspect that what you say may be true, and that it allows them to touch the screenshot up a bit with aliasing.

I dont think they touch the screenshots up at all. Its not Bungie...they dont need to create false screenshots to somehow prove they have better graphics than they really do. Thats the exact opposite of what Bungie typically does. If anything, Bungie releases nuggets that are intentionally not as good as what the final product is. This co-op thing is a classic example....getting everyone hyped that they somehow couldnt add the features, only to look like heroes later. Halo 2 was full of mediochre videos leading to release, and it looked like the game underwent a major graphical upgrade within the last month magically.....

Taking it a step further, I personally think the E3 video this year was intentionally left a little rough around the edges graphically on purpose. I think the official screenshots we are seeing from Bungie are exactly what they say they are, snapshots taken right from the game, not enhanced any. 90% of people are going to think the graphics are terrific in this game.

As I'm sure many have posted...

I'm psyched about 4 player co-op!!! Only downside I guess is that all players have to join at the beginning of the game, at least that's my understanding from reading Bungie's story.

Would be nice if you could send invites out to friend's a la GOW co-op as you see them online.

I am surprised you can't jump in and out like in Haze. Bungie usually tries to add more features than their competitors so it is surprising that they are being one upped liked that.

As far as the third person view screenshots not being touched up I hope that is true. I still have to ask why they don't show us a first person view like we will be seeing when we actually are playing the game.

Irregardless, I will play and enjoy the game, but I would prefer to play it with all of the eye candy possible. Like many others I am fearful that the most hyped game in xbox history may be relatively graphically underwhelming. We will see very soon.

Because Bungie has been known to do this. To some of us this is not a surprise and this is not the first time a developer has said one thing and come back 24 hours later and state the opposite. No different then Sony Japan President stating there is no plans for a price drop and then the following day Jack Tretton officially announces the price drop even though CC leaked the ad showing such drop. Bungie is very well known of doing these things in the past for the hype and surprise.

...except..there was no price drop, there was a clearance sale. :D

ANyhow...move along, move along..nothing to see here...

I am surprised you can't jump in and out like in Haze. Bungie usually tries to add more features than their competitors so it is surprising that they are being one upped liked that.

As far as the third person view screenshots not being touched up I hope that is true. I still have to ask why they don't show us a first person view like we will be seeing when we actually are playing the game.

Irregardless, I will play and enjoy the game, but I would prefer to play it with all of the eye candy possible. Like many others I am fearful that the most hyped game in xbox history may be relatively graphically underwhelming. We will see very soon.

Fair enough, you are correct in that we havent seen an official screenshot yet of a first person view. Still though, I dont think anyone can deny the fact that of the official screenshots we have seen, that Bungie has claimed were taken straight from the in game camera, looked terrific! The E3 gameplay videos from first person view looked pretty good, but it wasnt as sharp as the screenshots IMO, which is why I believe the video was actually intentionally fuzzed up a little. Its Bungie. Worry not! Other than the absolutely horrid ending in Halo 2 I dont think they've ever disappointed.

Speaking of the ending to Halo 2. My Halo history is pretty fuzzy. I actually did not play through all of Halo because I did not have an xbox at the time. I did pick it up for PC but it was a very bad port so I did not bother playing through it. Then I bought an xbox at the very end of it's cycle and picked up Halo 2, but I only played through it on coop mode with my buddy so we did not pay any attention to the story.

Does anyone know of a site that has all of the cutscenes from Halo 1 and 2 put together? I know the whatever edition of H3 will have this but it is stupid expensive.

If not the videos, then maybe just a good written synopsis so I can understand what is going on before I start H3.

All you need to know is here:
http://rampancy.net/halostory
http://rampancy.net/halo2story

Taking it a step further, I personally think the E3 video this year was intentionally left a little rough around the edges graphically on purpose. I think the official screenshots we are seeing from Bungie are exactly what they say they are, snapshots taken right from the game, not enhanced any. 90% of people are going to think the graphics are terrific in this game.

That aside, Gamespot and IGN editors got a chance to play some of H3 and the comments about the gist about the graphics was that they were good but not mind blowing like other games that we know about. And from what I've seen I would agree with that sentiment. Good but not bar setting like Gears or the upcoming game from the folks who made the WW2 based games but are now transitioning to modern warfare.

The screenshot does look great. Of course it is not giving us a first person view so it may or may not be in game, but it is pretty nonetheless.

I really like how the Halo series uses color. Too many FPS games try to be all hardcore gritty realistic and end up being just plain brown (gears). With these next gen hd systems they can do amazing things with color so bring it on.

Single player screen shots just posted here:


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=883933

for real - and i'd rather j3rk off with a hand full of thumb-tacks...
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/21119024031.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6159394)

I still have to ask why they don't show us a first person view like we will be seeing when we actually are playing the game.


I think they just like showing off all the action on screen, and that includes the MC.

But nonetheless here is a first person shot... looks pretty awesome

http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screenshots/H3_E307_FP01.jpg

it wont look anything like that, but man that picture looks good :)

In my opinion, I'm pretty sure it'll look 99.9% like that. Theres no reason for Bungie to put up fake/retouched screenshots of the game, especially with the release less then 2 months away.

I think that shot is a super hi res shot, but I think it will be pretty close.

I think that shot is a super hi res shot, but I think it will be pretty close.

It is 1280x720. That's the standard resolution for XBox 360 games.

It is 1280x720. That's the standard resolution for XBox 360 games.
Well then, I'm delighted.

yeah I agree with the nice color comments. too many games are dark, dreary, all blacks/grey/brown etc. Halo is nice and colorful, I love it's style.

yeah I agree with the nice color comments. too many games are dark, dreary, all blacks/grey/brown etc. Halo is nice and colorful, I love it's style.


Totally agree! And another great thing Bungie always did for the Halo series is provide the best controller layout, and best control mechanics for the FPS and for vehicle control. The COD series is my second favorite.

In celebration:

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/155501406320070731173732.jpg

http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screenshots/H3_E307_FP01.jpg



Great pic and the game likely should look like that if you take a still shot making the amount of detail easy to see but of course the game is motion is where it's really at. GoW looked fantastic in stills and great in motion, hopefully Halo 3 will do the same. From the looks of this it should really bring out the quality of a nice sharp display.

Interesting that they get a 3rd person view on MC. Isn't that a valid gameplay view if MC is carrying a certain weapon?

Interesting that they get a 3rd person view on MC. Isn't that a valid gameplay view if MC is carrying a certain weapon?

During single player gameplay, you can pause the game and take control of the camera for some scenic pictures, this is how they are taking all these 3rd person screenshots.

Totally agree! And another great thing Bungie always did for the Halo series is provide the best controller layout, and best control mechanics for the FPS and for vehicle control. The COD series is my second favorite.

UHHHH...Bungies control for the warthogs and other vehicles is about as retarded as I think they could ever make it...those vehicles were a total pain to control with the whole "point to where you want the vehicle to go and it'll find a way to get there" stuff. :P

Give me direct control over my vehicle, please....other games do this about a bajillion times better.

UHHHH...Bungies control for the warthogs and other vehicles is about as retarded as I think they could ever make it...those vehicles were a total pain to control with the whole "point to where you want the vehicle to go and it'll find a way to get there" stuff. :P

Give me direct control over my vehicle, please....other games do this about a bajillion times better.
Sooooo have you even driven a vehicle in a Halo game or are you just making stuff up? Last time I checked you had full control over where you wanted to drive the thing.

If you mean "Do I own Halo and Halo 2" the answer is "yes", and driving the warthog sucks.

In every other game out there driving is driving...you push the stick, you go, you let go of the stick, you straighten out. In Halo, and Halo 2, you really are just setting a direction for the warthog to travel in........the warthog then does its twisting and turning and powersliding to aim in that direction.......it made for turning around or maneuvering in tight places more frustrating than it needed to be.

If you mean "Do I own Halo and Halo 2" the answer is "yes", and driving the warthog sucks.

In every other game out there driving is driving...you push the stick, you go, you let go of the stick, you straighten out. In Halo, and Halo 2, you really are just setting a direction for the warthog to travel in........the warthog then does its twisting and turning and powersliding to aim in that direction.......it made for turning around or maneuvering in tight places more frustrating than it needed to be.

Its the friggin point of the controls, to make it slide and twist and turn, to make it more fun. To most I imagine, its just that, fun. I love the warthog controls, and I think it would be retarded if it were just a responsive stick to the terrain and turn exactly when/how you push your button. You really think thats how controlling a large ATV like that would feel? NO, it would slide, twist, and generally not be the tightest maneuvering vehicle. The controls are the perfect balance. One of the greatest Halo moments was racing the warthog through the last level in Halo 1, and the controls were a huge part of that.

The vehicle controls sucked... but they were workable on the Xbox. On PC, it just didn't work at all. The Battlefield series has the best vehicle control, IMO. What would work best if if the driving controls were like in driving games. I never understood why they just didn't do that.

The sliding and twisting isn't what I'm talking about.......its the way you drive the thing by pointing in a direction and giving it gas, its disconnected. I learned to adapt, but its definately unique to Halo and I'm glad no other game has tried to mimic this vehicular behavior.

Lots of games have sliding, careening, twisting vehicles that still let you feel like you are in 100% control. Halo's controls in that regard feel disconnected, like I'm not steering myself, but setting a waypoint on the horizon for a computer driver to aim towards and a 1/2 second later, he responds........and I dont care for it.

I've never had a problem with them... I've found the controls to be rather fun especially considering the physics of the vehicles.

It would make driving much more boring if the controls were any different.

The sliding and twisting isn't what I'm talking about.......its the way you drive the thing by pointing in a direction and giving it gas, its disconnected. I learned to adapt, but its definately unique to Halo and I'm glad no other game has tried to mimic this vehicular behavior.

Lots of games have sliding, careening, twisting vehicles that still let you feel like you are in 100% control. Halo's controls in that regard feel disconnected, like I'm not steering myself, but setting a waypoint on the horizon for a computer driver to aim towards and a 1/2 second later, he responds........and I dont care for it.
The only Halo I've played is the H3 MP Beta, and I agree with your assertion that the controls feel disconnected like that. I too would prefer that the stick would just steer the wheels, so "left" means "left" no matter where the game pov camera happens to be located... I figure it just takes some getting used to.

And don't you know by now - you're not allowed to be critical of anything Halo. :rolleyes:

There is definitely a learning curve to Halo driving. And its a love/hate thing. Its maddening to even the biggest Halo fans. Unique is an understatement. :)

Even though driving in Gears didn't last very long, I thought it was one of the best control schemes yet.

The worst driving experience for me on any console game was Far Cry. Friggin' terrible.

The sliding and twisting isn't what I'm talking about.......its the way you drive the thing by pointing in a direction and giving it gas, its disconnected. I learned to adapt, but its definately unique to Halo and I'm glad no other game has tried to mimic this vehicular behavior.

Lots of games have sliding, careening, twisting vehicles that still let you feel like you are in 100% control. Halo's controls in that regard feel disconnected, like I'm not steering myself, but setting a waypoint on the horizon for a computer driver to aim towards and a 1/2 second later, he responds........and I dont care for it.

I agree totally with your assessment of how the controls are....the warthog is definitely "Disconnected" in a sense....however what I would argue is that for Halo at least, it shouldnt be any other way and just wouldnt be as fun with different control feel.

I remember absolutely hating everything about Halo's controls when I first played it, and didnt understand the hype. I gave it a few hours shot and before I knew it I was addicted to everything about it....to me the way the game "feels" is the best thing about it.

There is definitely a learning curve to Halo driving. And its a love/hate thing. Its maddening to even the biggest Halo fans. Unique is an understatement. :)

Even though driving in Gears didn't last very long, I thought it was one of the best control schemes yet.

The worst driving experience for me on any console game was Far Cry. Friggin' terrible.

Haha, I have become enraged multiple occasions driving in Far Cry!

What I like about the 'go where you look' is that it's a smooth action. You don't have to flicker the stick to make turns like you do in real driving games.

The problem is when you get stuck behind something and you can't look where you want to go. Eventually you learn that if you get stuck your better off just bailing out, because it will take to long to get yourself 'unstuck' and your at significant risk of having a grenade tossed your way.

But that's just part of the fun. On CTF, you load up your warthog you attempt to drive up to the flag, if you happen to get stuck along the way... well, every man for himself... get the hell out of there because the warthog will soon be getting blown up.

Oh, I don't know, maybe have a significantly lower probability of dying??? :rolleyes:

This is why people that work in retail love the internet. Suppositions and theory suppress sales ad nauseam.

The vehicle controls sucked... but they were workable on the Xbox. On PC, it just didn't work at all. The Battlefield series has the best vehicle control, IMO. What would work best if if the driving controls were like in driving games. I never understood why they just didn't do that.

For the PC the BF series is the BEST, I agree!!! Love flying choppers, then again it is nice having a flight stick. :D

I personally like the vehicle control scheme on the xbox Halo series, I guess I just got so used to it. I can see how it is a love or hate thing though.

Actually, I hate Halo...as games, I think both installments are weak :)

They are great console shooters, but they are....in the whole scheme of things....just mediocre FPS's when compared against others like Half Life 2, the BF2 series of games, heck even a game like FEAR or an older one like, say, Red Faction......HALO has like, what, 2 or 3 weapons that don't suck to use? Endlessly repetitive levels in the first one?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed playing through both games once I got into the story, I enjoyed the trading off of heros in the second game that everyone else hated...but overall, Halo blows...shooting at the little squeaky enemy guys, etc.....*yyaaawwwn* :D

I also never understood the fascination with multiplayer online.....the maps are about the size of a closet......I went through the maps in Halo 2 and each one was like....so unbelieviably claustrophobic....only the vehicles helped a bit, but agin... I *never* understood the hype...to me, Halo online is the same as QuakeWorld in 95.....just mindless high-speed fragging deathmatch..........eh, its lost on me.

And the driving still sucks :D

Then why are you even here discussing it?

Excuse me while I go find a thread about a game I dislike so I can tell everyone there how much I think it sucks all while using ellipses way too much.

Because someone said I shouldn't say bad things about Halo........and I begged to differ.
I now return you to your overwhelmingly positive thread...

Ahhh so you just wanted to be a jerk/troll? Makes total sense now..., ..., ..., ...

I also never understood the fascination with multiplayer online.....the maps are about the size of a closet......Halo 1 & 2 both had small, medium, and large multiplayer maps. Blood Gulch is freakin' huge!

No HeadRusch is a good dude, he's not trolling. I played BF2 with him and some other AVSers a long time ago on the Ninja Servers, he's a good gamer. I do understand after playing BF2 and games with huge maps, that Halo maps are small in scale, but for me Halo is probably the best social game.

Actually, I hate Halo...as games, I think both installments are weak :)

They are great console shooters, but they are....in the whole scheme of things....just mediocre FPS's when compared against others like Half Life 2, the BF2 series of games, heck even a game like FEAR or an older one like, say, Red Faction......HALO has like, what, 2 or 3 weapons that don't suck to use? Endlessly repetitive levels in the first one?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed playing through both games once I got into the story, I enjoyed the trading off of heros in the second game that everyone else hated...but overall, Halo blows...shooting at the little squeaky enemy guys, etc.....*yyaaawwwn* :D

I also never understood the fascination with multiplayer online.....the maps are about the size of a closet......I went through the maps in Halo 2 and each one was like....so unbelieviably claustrophobic....only the vehicles helped a bit, but agin... I *never* understood the hype...to me, Halo online is the same as QuakeWorld in 95.....just mindless high-speed fragging deathmatch..........eh, its lost on me.

And the driving still sucks :D


I have no idea how you have claimed to play it as much but say that the maps are small or clastrophobic and this being said about the very first game. I can only come to the conclusion that you have not spent as much time as you claim for this game and then try and compare its gameplay to Fraction? WTF :D

I am not upset it is just that what you say and how you are saying it doesn't really add up to a person who has spent so much time with the game and then have the nerve to say the maps are small when this simply is not true.

Personally for me I don't know any other game besides WOW or any of those types of games have people in the military being deployed all over the world to play Halo and spend the time off after work to have these sessions and them come home to do the exact same thing. Gears of War comes to mind after 5 years of playing this FPS before it that brought that much attention. THen Halo 2 happen with Live access. I hope this is not your agenda is to constantly BS about how the gameplay sucks when this game has taken all the elements of other shooters and a story and control and make it into a classic. I love Half Life but it improved above that.


I hope that this second go around for Killzone brings that type of thing to the PS3 even though that didn't happen with the first one.

But clearly you are outnumbered worldwide with the response of the series and what it has brought for the last 5 years to the table. First FPS to have a day named after it to have the type of response it had when Halo 2 was released I haven't seen anything like that for an FPS.

I am just shocked with some of your post about the game. It is a bit confusing to talk this bad about a game that after the first one you should have never picked up the second one to care if it is that bad.

I don't think you have ever trolled It just doesn't add up really

I have no idea how you have claimed to play it as much but say that the maps are small or clastrophobic and this being said about the very first game.


I only played the maps on Halo 2...and they (at least the dozen or so I tried) were all kinda absurdly tiny....I never found any that were huge....??? I played them all a handfull of times, one with lots of moving boxes, played online...just running around fragging as fast as you can. Put that stuff away. Thats the impression I was left with.


I am not upset it is just that what you say and how you are saying it doesn't really add up to a person who has spent so much time with the game and then have the nerve to say the maps are small when this simply is not true.

Ok what are the big ones so I can go check them out tomorrow...


of playing this FPS before it that brought that much attention. THen Halo 2 happen with Live access. I hope this is not your agenda is to constantly BS about how the gameplay sucks when this game has taken all the elements of other shooters and a story and control and make it into a classic. I love Half Life but it improved above that.


I dunno...because it sucks for me? Because its got like 3 decent weapons and that gets very old very fast? That its just run and gun speed deathmatch to infinity and I think that also sucks? Can you not accept that someone thinks the game sucks, for what I think are very valid reasons (which I wont list here because this isn't the HALO SUCKS thread) but I'ev listed a few...?


I hope that this second go around for Killzone brings that type of thing to the PS3 even though that didn't happen with the first one.


Ok, now prepare to have your mind totally blown away: I thought hte first Killzone was an awesome FPS. I thought the maps were awesome, I thought the gameplay speed was awesome, I thought the selection of weapons was awesome, I thought the graphics (on the PS2) were awesome....it had botmatch if you wanted to, it had nice, interesting storyline that I kept wanting to play, and it was satisfying to blow away all those Helgast with all sorts of different weapons.

Halo, I felt like I was walking through a shooting gallery with silly monsters popping up for me to dispatch. Meh.............it just got old very fast. Note, I'm not trashing the game itself...the mechanics are great and the in-game maps are fine in SP...but honestly I found the gameplay dull for both Halo and Halo 2, in fact I kinda didn't think Halo was cool until the FLOOD showed up, then it was kinda creepy/interesting...but Halo 2 didn't really have much of that. Some parts were cool, but it took me forever to "get into it".



But clearly you are outnumbered worldwide with the response of the series and what it has brought for the last 5 years to the table. First FPS to have a day named after it to have the type of response it had when Halo 2 was released I haven't seen anything like that for an FPS.


yeah yeah and the SPice Girls were the #1 selling artists for a few years too, and everyone loved ZIMA, and I can list a whole bunch of things that were super popular with people but also sucked. Halo was the first real working shooter on a console, and Halo 2 brought the online multiplayer home.....people had nothing else to judge the game against, so they crowned it king on the consoles.

Anyone with a PC just shook their head and went "big whoop....half the weapons are Ass, and its just bunnyhopping machinegunning or sniping campers as far as the eye can see"....where is the insane diversity and magnificence there?


I don't think you have ever trolled It just doesn't add up really
I don't really like the game....its capable, a good FPS....and its fine, for a console shooter....but if it never came out on a console and only came out on a PC, it would have been bargain-bin fodder within a few weeks.

It brings absolutely nothing new to the table...WELL, thats not true..it did incorporate vehicles onto some maps, which started waaaay back with SKYNET by Bethsoft on teh PC but then kinda completely disappeared until the UT games.

But otherwise, I mean, its a FPS with a linear environment, about 4 cool weapons....mostly (taking your word for it) cramped deathmatch maps...errr, I'm not getting excited here....??

I think we need to back up an individuals right to post something less than glowing about a game. Even if that game is Halo. It does not make them a troll just because they don't share a particular opinion.

Most people who have played PC shooters are able to see Halo in a more realistic light. That is, as a good solid console shooter. Not the best by any means, but it has its place.

Anyway, just because I think Halo is overrated doesn't mean I won't have a great time with it.

Yeah, I'll get it at launch too, because everyone else will have it and I'll want to do some online with the peeps :)

And maybe Halo 3 is the game that really blows me away......who can say.

No HeadRusch is a good dude, he's not trolling. I played BF2 with him and some other AVSers a long time ago on the Ninja Servers, he's a good gamer. I do understand after playing BF2 and games with huge maps, that Halo maps are small in scale, but for me Halo is probably the best social game.

Halo maps definitely are small compared to BF2 maps, but thats for obvious reasons. One being bf2 can handle 64 players, and isn't meant for instant battles so the maps need to be bigger, whereas halo is 16 players and is fast paced it your face action.

I've put 300+ hours into BF2 and am pretty burned out on it, but I'm looking forward to Halo 3 since its a totally different style of play, and this 4 player co-op adds a whole new dimension.

I only played the maps on Halo 2...and they (at least the dozen or so I tried) were all kinda absurdly tiny....I never found any that were huge....??? I played them all a handfull of times, one with lots of moving boxes, played online...just running around fragging as fast as you can. Put that stuff away. Thats the impression I was left with.

Waterworks is massive. Two large basis, a central spire that is constantly slamming down, large enough to have tanks, a wraith, and banshees all on the same map. They even put teleporters on there to help people get around the map.

The map that is all ice is pretty big too. They have tanks on it and sometimes banshees because the map is so large.

Terminal isn't massive but its large enough that they put a wraith on there. Three level garage, turrets, a moving train, etc. Its definitely not tiny or a frag fest.

Also the map that is the large city where you can see the water (forget the name), is large. Huge, like 4 story buildings, ramps, lots of warthogs, bridges, teleporters, etc. etc.

I could go on, there are more, but you get the point.

Anyway, just because I think Halo is overrated doesn't mean I won't have a great time with it.

Yeah, I'll get H3. I'm kind of excited about the co-op mode. But compared to other shooters, it's just not my cup of tea.

Halo maps definitely are small compared to BF2 maps, but thats for obvious reasons. One being bf2 can handle 64 players, and isn't meant for instant battles so the maps need to be bigger, whereas halo is 16 players and is fast paced it your face action.

I've put 300+ hours into BF2 and am pretty burned out on it, but I'm looking forward to Halo 3 since its a totally different style of play, and this 4 player co-op adds a whole new dimension.


I still Play BF2, I recently downloaded the new Mod version for Project Reality and the game is back to life. For the PC, that is the game for me, I hope they come out with a BF3 that has the same gameplay elements but with something like the Crysis engine and graphics...of course then I'll need to build a new PC. lol

But the minute I hop onto my 360, I am more in a social environment than a gaming environment. Halo 2, GOW, COD's, and GR's are all great games to play with my friends. I think Halo 3 will be top notch, not going on the hype or anything, but I think Bungie is a developer that actually knows what they are doing.

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_4762_en.html

DL this video for some pretty good info on H3.