View Full Version : 300 PQ problem


dojoman
08-03-07, 11:19 AM
I haven't seen anyone complain about it or maybe I got a defect but I see a lot of screen flickering especially in very dark scenes. Not sure if anyone remembers way back when Planet Earth was release there was a similar problem in one scene. I'm seeing the same for 300 but it happens a lot.

SuprSlow
08-03-07, 11:22 AM
Can you give a specific time stamp or range?

It's not too grainy, is it? ;)

dojoman
08-03-07, 11:51 AM
I'll post the time stamp later.

dnbois56
08-03-07, 11:56 AM
I was just about to post about this- I see a flickering often-almost like there is a constant thunderstorm going on. One scene that I remember sticking out is towards the beginning when the spartans are walking north and the hunchback is looking down on them as they pass below between cliffs.

dojoman
08-03-07, 01:11 PM
I was just about to post about this- I see a flickering often-almost like there is a constant thunderstorm going on. One scene that I remember sticking out is towards the beginning when the spartans are walking north and the hunchback is looking down on them as they pass below between cliffs.

I see this a lot in other scenes too and some just barely noticable but there are there. I'm pretty sure it's the transfer cause it's the same problem as Planet Earth. BTW, did you watch it on PS3?

Vectorman
08-03-07, 01:32 PM
Will definitely have to check it out. Haven't gone through the whole movie... just skipping around to check out the battle scenes.

But on a similar issue, I did come across a glitch in the movie playback. I am pretty certain it may be a disc issue, since it occurs, at will, right in the exact same spot. At the 1 hour mark, the movie skips/stutters for a second or so and, based on the elapsed time display, jumps 7-9 seconds ahead. This is with the Sony BDP-S300. I am returning my copy tonight for an exchange. Will report later if the same occurs again. Anyone else encounter this defect?

jkwest
08-03-07, 01:33 PM
I just watched it two nights ago...no problem here..

zoro
08-03-07, 02:07 PM
I haven't seen anyone complain about it or maybe I got a defect but I see a lot of screen flickering especially in very dark scenes. Not sure if anyone remembers way back when Planet Earth was release there was a similar problem in one scene. I'm seeing the same for 300 but it happens a lot.

same here!I thought it was my ps3 doing it. it is like tripping in deinterlacing and is pretty distracting

modiGTI
08-03-07, 05:44 PM
Can you give a specific time stamp or range?

It's not too grainy, is it? ;)

There's grain?

dojoman
08-03-07, 05:58 PM
There's grain?

Grains are intended by director to make it look like film but it was probably shot in HD with Blue screen. The flickering is really dissapointing esp for a big title.

modiGTI
08-03-07, 06:52 PM
Hehe yeah, I was j/kin around.

zoro
08-03-07, 06:57 PM
I will take blame off my beloved PS3, that played remasterd fifth element perfectly without a hitch, so this is terrible flaw in 300 BR discs, how abt HD version?

mhtom
08-03-07, 07:07 PM
It's not too grainy, is it? ;)

YES! And Schlinder's List is in black and white!!! WTF!?!? I think my TV is broken!!!

dnbois56
08-03-07, 08:02 PM
I'm noticing the flickering on my Kds55a2020 via the Bdps1.

Vectorman
08-03-07, 09:32 PM
I agree with Zoro, does anyone know if the HDDVD version has the same problems?

poki
08-04-07, 01:00 AM
played mine thru the PS3, notice the flicker as well

rolltide1017
08-04-07, 01:47 AM
If some will post some exact time stamps to look at, I'll check my HD DVD copy.

Also, is it obvious to those who see it or some what subtle?

invadergir
08-04-07, 02:00 AM
I agree with Zoro, does anyone know if the HDDVD version has the same problems?



I bought it on HD-DVD and i had no problems with my viewing of the film. HDMI connection, HD-A1 2.0 Firmware and played on my Hitachi 50v525 with again no problems. Everything seem the same from my IMAX showing i saw back in March

yellowcanary73
08-04-07, 02:06 AM
Played mine on my Panasonic DMP-BD10AK looked amazing and sounded just as amazing no problems what so ever.

tsb
08-04-07, 04:19 AM
Seems Warner can't make any disks work as they should. WTF is up with them?

Legairre
08-04-07, 01:00 PM
No flickering for me on a PS3 and Sanyo Z2 projector. Sounds like a bad batch of disk was produced while others are fine.

dnbois56
08-04-07, 02:08 PM
I noticed when I switch the noise reduction on even to low the flickering for the most part goes away-to be honest I feel the picture looks better anyway with a little bit of the grain reduced anyway-less mosquitos buzzing around in the solid colors.

MySassyGirl
08-04-07, 02:33 PM
no flickering...awesome movies...

Maybe 300 part 2? I wanna see the fight at the end :)

kevivoe
08-04-07, 02:45 PM
It is not your disk. I suspect it is your display device since I have seen many people complain about issues that turn out to be HDMI issues on their display device.

k

Slim GoodBooty
08-04-07, 02:53 PM
300 looks and sounds amazing. The extras also rock.

Jedi2016
08-04-07, 04:02 PM
It is not your disk. I suspect it is your display device since I have seen many people complain about issues that turn out to be HDMI issues on their display device.

k
That's what I'm hoping, but Amazon sent my disc on the slow boat from China, so it still isn't here.

Although I use the HDMI port on the PS3, it's running into one of the DVI ports on my TV.. because of handshake issues I've read about, I thought it would be better to avoid the HDMI until it's sorted out. So I've never had any of the problems that people associate with HDMI issues, so I'm hoping that 300 works out well. Since a lot of people are reporting the problem on PS3s, if my setup works, then it helps point to a display or communication/handshake problem of some sort.

dojoman
08-04-07, 04:43 PM
For people with no problems go to time stamp 1:34 - 1:35 to see if you see flickering. It only happens with the close up face shot of Spartan king. It comes back again and again. It will be very obvious. The flickering happens around the helmet area, the grain will flicker on and off.

Leviathin25
08-04-07, 05:25 PM
ive noticed it and so has several others I just try to ignor it.

Sunkist
08-04-07, 06:15 PM
I have watched it twice so far on my PS3 + Mitsu57731 and no flickering at all here. Looked great!

Mongoos150
08-04-07, 06:44 PM
How bizzare, seems very widespread. Hopefully my copy won't have an issue...

MickB
08-04-07, 06:50 PM
300 looks and sounds amazing on my system. I just did not care for the movie.

gmanhdtv
08-04-07, 07:04 PM
300 looks and sounds amazing on my system. I just did not care for the movie.

Watched it today with my teenage son. We both agreed it was worth the price, it was a free rental! :rolleyes:

I am so glad I did not pay to see it in the theater. I can't believe anyone can even think of comparing this to "Gladiator".

Mongoos150
08-04-07, 07:16 PM
Watched it today with my teenage son. We both agreed it was worth the price, it was a free rental! :rolleyes:

I am so glad I did not pay to see it in the theater. I can't believe anyone can even think of comparing this to "Gladiator". I laughed throughout most of the movie - much of the dialogue was quite humorous (and I doubt anyone would compare it to Gladiator). I'm not quite sure if the director meant to make the film a cross between action and downlow humor, but I still enjoyed the film and will be buying it.

Jedi2016
08-04-07, 08:01 PM
I can't believe anyone can even think of comparing this to "Gladiator".
Completely different kind of movie, as far as I'm concerned. Despite the action, I consider Gladiator to be primarily a character-drama piece. 300, I consider to be an action-packed "guy movie".

zoro
08-04-07, 08:34 PM
:confused: :confused: It is not your disk. I suspect it is your display device since I have seen many people complain about issues that turn out to be HDMI issues on their display device.

k

i will dare to differ, how co7uld, same display, cables etc wont flick with any other br disc besdies 300 :confused:

Baccusboy
08-05-07, 01:29 AM
There's grain?

Which version do you have?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b391/ChrisBraddorf/300extragrainy-1.jpg

wishman35
08-05-07, 08:43 AM
i havent seen the DVD version, but while expected---the grain in 300 did make the typical Blu-Ray sharpness irrelevant.

There have been grainier movies that looked better on BD, and that was usually the gripe i held with Black Hawk Down. BHD looks much better.

I was actually underwhelmed with the PQ. 300 in general only deserves a 2.5 or 3 at most, because the movie really is mediocre at best if you dont count the action. The picture quality is just good, and the sound quality is obviously going to be very loud and booming, but it wasn't the most amazing. I preferred Kingdom of Heaven's track with the arrows whizzing by and the artillery strikes going everywhere all around you.

Maybe i just dont know anything though. Its a fun movie to own, but it is quite possibly one of the more overhyped action movies thats been out. Its actually laughable at some points.

DomNY
08-05-07, 08:46 AM
Watched the Blu-Ray version last night. Picture was rock solid (no flickering as mentioned earlier in this thread). Audio was just as good. As for grain, the image did not have the smooth look of animation, which is what I think a lot people on this forum think every BD should look like. It looked more like it was shot on a very high ASA (inherently grainy) film. Despite not having an ultra-smooth look, it was tack sharp and captured the mood of the movie. Now if they would have just had someone else do the dialog....... :cool:
Panny 10A
92" screen
JVC RS1
11.5' seating distance

Dom

roland6465
08-05-07, 08:51 AM
Watched it on my PS3 & LG plasma last night, and the only time I noticed a flickering screen, there was a fire going onscreen. Didn't notice any 6 second jump at the 1 hour mark, either.

Great eye & ear candy, OK movie.

kinggroin
08-05-07, 09:22 AM
3 different copies (one mine, one my bud's and the other my brother-in-law's) ALL have the weird pulsing (and all three running different setups).

I think it's on all discs (I may even remember it in the theaters), but some or more sensitive to it than others. Also, it seems to happen on extreme close-ups that have reeeaaally fine detail (it's also not the first movie I've seen this abnormality on; there are some old-ass vhs tapes that show this as well - just can't remember the names of the movies atm).

Cole5
08-05-07, 10:48 AM
I agree with Zoro, does anyone know if the HDDVD version has the same problems?

I watched this again yesterday (HD DVD) and can confirm that my copy also has the flickering problem. Didn't notice it the first time and when I really looked for it this time around only noticed 2-3 spots. I have an
A2-->Elite PRO-930HD via HDMI.

DomNY
08-05-07, 10:49 AM
Again, I looked for pulsing and anything else "weird" when watching last night. I saw nothing like you describe. Actually, all the close-ups looked great. No pixleation in shadow areas either. Clean, clean, clean....... I am not saying you don't have an issue. Just saying my copy on my set-up (described above) doesn't show any. So, it can't be on every disc. None of the 3 reviews I have read mentioned this issue either. As someone mentioned already, it could be a particular batch sequence of discs..........
Regards,
Dom

SuprSlow
08-05-07, 09:51 PM
To the OP, I watched it again, and I did notice the flickering. The only places I saw it was when the hunchback was looking down as they were walking through the pass.

Setup is PS3 to 56" Samsung DLP via HDMI.

Star56
08-06-07, 04:06 AM
I laughed throughout most of the movie - much of the dialogue was quite humorous (and I doubt anyone would compare it to Gladiator). I'm not quite sure if the director meant to make the film a cross between action and downlow humor, but I still enjoyed the film and will be buying it.


Actually many of the humorous comments are from antiquity.

bowlinrl
08-06-07, 12:16 PM
To the OP, I watched it again, and I did notice the flickering. The only places I saw it was when the hunchback was looking down as they were walking through the pass.

Setup is PS3 to 56" Samsung DLP via HDMI.
that's the only place i saw the flickering as well. set up is PS3 to 55" sony kds-60a2020 via HDMI.

Desert Pilot
08-06-07, 12:18 PM
WOW...so much negativity. I've played my disk on both a PJ system (diag = 120") and my sony BD notebook...the film looked fine to me. Sorry to those who didn't enjoy it. The film's extraordinary filming sequences were IMHO excellent.

marcus

HDTVChallenged
08-07-07, 11:28 AM
For people with no problems go to time stamp 1:34 - 1:35 to see if you see flickering. It only happens with the close up face shot of Spartan king. It comes back again and again. It will be very obvious. The flickering happens around the helmet area, the grain will flicker on and off.

Yep I see what you're talking about ... if I get up close and personal with my screen. To me it looks like the added grain + the texture of the helmet + lossy compression = flicker. Of course, I would have never noticed it had someone not pointed it out ... so thanks for that. :D

kmiller32906
08-07-07, 02:35 PM
I watch mine on a PS3 via HDMI and noticed background flickering during chapter 29 during the pre-battle speech. I have never noticed flickering like this unless I heard about it and then looked for it. The scene were it shows the entire spartan army in chapter 29 is VERY flickery.

Ferdopa
08-07-07, 03:47 PM
The flickering is present in a lot of scenes.

In some of them there is in the left/right borders of the film (in dark scenes you can see it very well).

In you go to the scene where the Hunchback see the 300 in the canyon from upside and use the frame-by-frame option of your player, you can see that the reason of the flickering is that the movie alternates frames with little grain with another frames thar are brighter and with more grainy effect.

jkcheng122
08-07-07, 04:14 PM
Panny 10A
92" screen
JVC RS1
11.5' seating distance

Dom

damn, i sit about the same distance with almost half the size of screen at 50"

MaxDam77
08-08-07, 10:12 AM
Bought the movie yesterday and had a friend over to watch it. I tought I would be impressed by the PQ but it seemed that I end up with the 300 Grain Limited Edition and a Special feature including the flickering.
Not the best way to impress a friend.
Still, the movie is great, we had a blast with the spartan sarcastic humour.

phansson
08-08-07, 10:17 AM
I didn't notice any kind of "flickering" on my system.

It might be a setup problem.

MaxDam77
08-08-07, 10:23 AM
It would be weird it it was a setup problem. That is the only movie that I own that does that.

tdavis21484
08-08-07, 10:38 AM
I agree with Zoro, does anyone know if the HDDVD version has the same problems?
If someone posts timestamps, I'll take a look on my HD DVD version. I watched it last night, and didn't notice any artifacts like have been described here, and I'm very picky about such things.

phansson
08-08-07, 11:19 AM
Do you have your player set to 24fps??

What kind of display do you have? Does it display 24fps? Does it display at 24/48/72/96/120hz??

I just didn't notice it last night on my setup. I have it from a PS3 running 24fps to a sony "pearl" projector. Displayed at 96hz (i think).

JOHNnDENVER
08-08-07, 11:34 AM
Critically viewed by four dedicated theater owners in my theater last night from a BD-P1000 (1080i/60) to a Panny AE1000U projector at a 9' screen size. No problemo, seemed as pristine as blu-ray gets for us.

My only complaint was with the pathetic LFE track. :)

dojoman
08-08-07, 12:20 PM
If someone posts timestamps, I'll take a look on my HD DVD version. I watched it last night, and didn't notice any artifacts like have been described here, and I'm very picky about such things.

It happens at 1:34 to 1:35 with closeup shots of spartan. The grain flickers around the helmet area. Only happens with that particular shot. There are other areas but i don't have time stamps, I think it the one with Spartans talking near the fireplace at night and the background flickers.

HDTVChallenged
08-08-07, 12:53 PM
Of course there's no way to tell if it's the fault of the transfer or the fault of the original add-a-pile-o-fake-grain process (or a combination of both.) ;) (Said by one who didn't see the flick in theater.)

For the record, I'm watching on a CRT RPTV @1080/60i via component from PS3.

Mongoos150
08-08-07, 12:58 PM
Actually many of the humorous comments are from antiquity.You misinterpreted me. The dialogue is a bit silly at times - the things they say seem awkwardly spaced. This is not an antiquated manor of speaking, but rather some silly approaches to the script.

enchntr
08-08-07, 01:14 PM
Watched it for the second time last night. PS3 with latest firmware, forcing 24fps, through my Pioneer 84TXSi to my Pearl. Verified 1080/24 on the Pearl.

No problems.

I am really liking this movie (bought as a blind buy). The funniest part is when Leonidas is eating the apple "Captain, is there no reason we can't be civil?"

Lots of great lines in this movie, but this one is my favorite.

phansson
08-08-07, 01:22 PM
enchntr,

My exact setup.

dadkins
08-08-07, 01:26 PM
Which version do you have?

ROFL!

EnderOSC
08-09-07, 03:18 PM
I noticed the flickering... but figured it was a part of the simulated grain. Either way, it didn't bother me that much.

Cole5
08-10-07, 12:33 AM
I reported earlier that I have the flickering problem on my HD DVD copy. I've now watched my friend's BD copy of 300 on a similar set up as mine as we both own Elite displays. He uses a PS3 via HDMI, me- A2 via HDMI. His copy has the same issues. Particularly during the close ups toward the end of the film which is consistent to my copy. I did notice the flickering on BD during the scene which others have posted here where the hunchback is looking down at the spartans which is not on my HD DVD copy. Because the problem is similar but not exactly the same seems that it is not intentional and most likely a problem with replicating the discs. I may exchange my copy to see if there is any difference.

Anyone else have the opportunity to see this in both formats to confirm my observations?

MSUnman
08-13-07, 12:31 PM
this is so dissapointing, its the planet earth fiasco all over again. I will probably buy it on HD DVD and watch it in 1080i. Why cant they do this right? I watched many blu ray movies with no problem, but the best discs seem to have the worst problem. Boo!

detbs20
08-16-07, 01:09 PM
I have the same problem using PS3 with HDMI. Turning noise reduction on helps, but still a sad picture. This could be the death of Blu-Ray since this movie has a glitch and was one of the most popular BDs...

It is not the HDMI cable. Does the same thing when I hook it up with component.

I hope they recall the bad copies before it is too late...

Sunkist
08-16-07, 02:12 PM
I have the same problem using PS3 with HDMI. Turning noise reduction on helps, but still a sad picture. This could be the death of Blu-Ray since this movie has a glitch and was one of the most popular BDs...

It is not the HDMI cable. Does the same thing when I hook it up with component.

I hope they recall the bad copies before it is too late...


I don't see how this is the death of Blu-ray when people with the HD-DVD copy see it too. Most people don't even notice it, I have watch it twice now and have not seen it on my PS3 through HDMI, of course I was not looking for it either. ;)

Xylon
08-16-07, 02:48 PM
Both versions. No problems. 'Nuff said.

khwiggins2
08-16-07, 04:36 PM
I didn't see any problems with my HD-DVD copy and frankly, I'm not going to go looking for any. Things like this are not going to affect sales because most people are not going to notice.

I made the same mistake when someone explained why I should be really annoyed that my display can't do 1080p24. At the time I thought they were full of it. Then they explained what to look for.....that person is now on my ignore list. :)