View Full Version : Quick Reviews Of TMNT and Final Fantasy


BenjaminG
08-03-07, 11:01 PM
Hi all,

As much as I love the forum, it really annoys me when people start threads saying "I got '...' Blu-ray, and proceed to give a one sentence cap of the quality, basically just to rub it in to the rest of the forum that they got theirs first.
So whilst this isn't a full blown review, it should give you an idea until HighDef Digest roll out.

Final Fantasy The Spirits Within

Video is encoded AVC, Very generous bitrate. PQ is a quantum leap over the DVD, on a few occasions its slightly soft, at others incredibly sharp. I'm pretty sure this is the source however, speaking of which, like the DVD there is abit of grain, but this is an artistic effect. And it looks like theres much less than the DVD. Yes, the animation has aged quite a bit, compare this to the trailer for Beowulf, and yeah we have come quite a distance. I believe this is the same direct-to-digital transfer as the original DVD.

Audio is 16 bit PCM 4.9 Mbps, and Dolby 640 with a few other languages. No guesses as to the preferred codec if you have PCM; its brilliant, with a hell of a lot of bass. There is no TrueHD track, this must have been mastered before titles such as Ghost Rider, and the newly minted "Fifth Element" disc; this should be a feature of most Sony discs from now. One thing of note; I still struggle with the Elliot Goldenthal musical score, its not very good.

Most of the extras from the DVD have been ported over; the only omission I can see is the boards/blast feature. Almost all of the extras are 480p, execpt for the Aki Dream compilation (also 640 kbs Dolby 5.1), and the trailers. I dont like the structure of the extras pop up and main menu, you have a few lines that you have to constantly select up and down from, and go through subtitles and such. Whatever.

Overall, a very nice release. It's still a strange film; I cant believe it got made with Hollywood money. I like it, but lets be honest; it is a mess of a film, and went over the heads of the western audience. I guess this was because of the scary motion capture/ zombie effect, and the storyline. It is however as visually stunning as it was on the initial release.

TMNT

Video is encoded VC-1. Unlike the low bitrates that Warner normally give us, this film is conducive to it, with a very, very sharp original transfer (also direct-to-digital I believe). I have only sampled a few scenes and frankly was blown away. I couldn't fault what I saw. The colour is very deep, and the textures of the turtles look fantastic.

This seems to be the start of something wonderful; constant Dolby TrueHD soundtracks, and this is quite good, whilst the PS3 doesnt tell me the sample rate, I believe it is 16 bit. Theres also a 640 kb/s Dolby 5.1. I sampled the TrueHD, and its a very nice audio track, I mean theres not much else to say, no one is going to be dissapointed put it that way. I didn't sample the standard Dolby track, but I guess it would be also pretty good if you werent equipped for Tru.

All the extras are in Standard Def. Havent gone through them all yet, but theres nothing that blows my socks off. Just glad the movie looks so good.

All said and done, TMNT wasn't quite the comic book finally bought to the big screen, it had more in common with the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles TV show we grew up with. However it does have inklings of darkness, and it made back its 30 mill or so budget a few times over, so we will definitely see a sequel.




Well I hope you guys enjoy my mini-reviews, and like I did with my pre-release 300 review I will endeavour to give you guys the heads up when I get more :-) If you want me to, that is.

darkjedi664
08-03-07, 11:19 PM
Japanese PCM on FF???? I can't wait for it! The broadcast HD was just amazing, and I know this will be better!

BenjaminG
08-03-07, 11:22 PM
Nope, no Japanese soundtrack whatsoever. One of the commentaries is by the director, in Japanese though, and yes I saw the broadcast HD, and yeah this is a fair bit better, expecially the compression artefacts that were in the broadcast are totally gone.

Elbie
08-03-07, 11:44 PM
TMNT is a must for me, I was going to purchase it early from work, but said **** the risk.

Amiable-Akuma
08-04-07, 12:34 AM
Great post, OP. Seriously. Liked all your comments. Can't wait to re-watch Spirits Within for the first time in what feels like forever.

Saw TMNT in theaters and loved it. I think its impossible to expect a truly adult vibe in a made-for-US CGI animated movie - for a LONG time to come. TMNT was as close as its gonna get. We're lucky it was as close to the original comic as it was.

Mongoos150
08-04-07, 12:37 AM
Thanks for the opinions of TSW. I cannot wait for Advent Children to be released on Blu-Ray. That's a release I'd wait overnight for!

Icemage
08-04-07, 12:43 AM
I have TMNT coming to me from Amazon. Saw it in the theatre and was blown away by the awesome animation. Good the hear that the transfer is good and that it has a TrueHD track as well. Thanks for the heads up!

d3code
08-04-07, 01:50 PM
i agree turtles was a great animated movie, with a descent story too. i liked it. and cant wait to receive it. and thanks for taking the time to write a review!

ryoohki
08-04-07, 01:53 PM
Japanese PCM on FF???? I can't wait for it! The broadcast HD was just amazing, and I know this will be better!

Spirit Within is English, you must be mistaken it for the newer FF CG movie witch is in Japanese..

DaveFi
08-04-07, 02:17 PM
Yeah, Spirits Within was made completely for the English market. God knows why they used that weird Japanese anime type anime ending that nobody understands.

ajmcinema
08-04-07, 03:20 PM
I thought Final Fantasy Spirits Within is an incredible movie and I loved the Elliot Goldenthal score.

DomNY
08-04-07, 05:33 PM
Ok, I'll bite.... wtf does TMNT stand for? Might be nice to type the full name of a movie at least once in a post then go with the abbreviation. (Sorry can't spell out wtf - even once) :rolleyes:
Rgeards,
Dom

dad1153
08-04-07, 05:43 PM
Ok, I'll bite.... wtf does TMNT stand for?

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Since you didn't know this I guess this movie will be of no interest to you (unless you have kids, in which case you'll own this whether you want to or not! :p).

Mongoos150
08-04-07, 06:26 PM
I'm seriously itching for FFVII: AC. Does anyone know when it's being released?!

Patsfan123
08-04-07, 06:31 PM
Ok, I'll bite.... wtf does TMNT stand for? Might be nice to type the full name of a movie at least once in a post then go with the abbreviation. (Sorry can't spell out wtf - even once) :rolleyes:
Rgeards,
Dom
The name of the movie is TMNT (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453556/) . :p

phisch
08-04-07, 06:32 PM
Thanks for the reviews. I will be picking up both of these movies.

willpooted
08-04-07, 06:55 PM
Anyone know if there are any differences btwn the HD DVD and Blu-ray versions of TMNT? Audio, extras, etc.

Patsfan123
08-04-07, 06:55 PM
Few pics of Final Fantasy resized to ~720p

http://home.comcast.net/~m_paliulis/avs/FF1.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~m_paliulis/avs/FF2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~m_paliulis/avs/FF3.jpg

And TMNT resized to ~720p

http://home.comcast.net/~m_paliulis/avs/TMNT1.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~m_paliulis/avs/TMNT2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~m_paliulis/avs/TMNT3.jpg

Mongoos150
08-04-07, 07:17 PM
Pics don't look too shabby. Thanks for posting.

CochiseGuy
08-04-07, 10:09 PM
I got TMNT early also, today.

Reaches A Scanner Darkly & Happy Feet for PQ easily. The TrueHD audio is excellent.

High Tier 1 at a minimum

And a fun movie to watch. :p

'preciate the OP as well - so frustrating to see the "I got it today, but don't have time to look at it yet" posts.

Swift Mojo Hand
08-05-07, 12:43 AM
Pics don't look too shabby. Thanks for posting.

I agree. I just got a CG induced Boner from them. :p

Damn you Amazon, Send me my copy's.

Donnie Eldridge
08-05-07, 01:27 AM
Great pic's. :)

shadowrage
08-05-07, 02:09 AM
I never knew she had freckles.

All I remember from SW is Alec Baldwin.

Advent children is going to kick ass if it has a PCM soundtrack(the motorcycle chase). The Bahumat scene is going to make people freak.

Dr Kain
08-05-07, 08:32 AM
I'll get TMNT only, as FF sucked. However, this week I can only afford one thing, and it is going to be The Simpsons.

Mongoos150
08-05-07, 04:06 PM
Advent children is going to kick ass if it has a PCM soundtrack(the motorcycle chase). The Bahumat scene is going to make people freak.The Kadaj+Cloud forest battle scene is going to make people freak! The entire thing will make people... well, you get my point. :D

eric.exe
08-06-07, 01:54 AM
Few pics of Final Fantasy resized to ~720p


Too bad those shots are obviously from x264 re-encodes. :P


Anyway, I watched the real version of FF and IMO the picture quality is stupid. It could potentially have perfect picture quality, since it's from a 100% digital source. But instead they added some grain and other nonsense to make it look more realistic. I am very unimpressed with the quality. It could have been perfectly sharp.

shadowrage
08-06-07, 02:17 AM
According to Hidefdigest FF does have a perfect picture

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/911/finalfantasyspiritswithin.html

I would totally spend $14 on that.

dazbug
08-06-07, 02:40 AM
Great fiirst impressions and beter than other peoples 1 line review.

definitely getting TMNT, looks gorgeous :)

BenjaminG
08-06-07, 02:50 AM
Anyway, I watched the real version of FF and IMO the picture quality is stupid. It could potentially have perfect picture quality, since it's from a 100% digital source. But instead they added some grain and other nonsense to make it look more realistic. I am very unimpressed with the quality. It could have been perfectly sharp.

Wow.... unbelievable.

T8OO
08-06-07, 06:51 AM
I would prefer to get TMNT on Blu-ray instead of HD-DVD because of the cost, can anyone tell me how the Samsung BDP-1000 plays a TrueHD track?

cnickersonjr
08-06-07, 07:51 AM
I would prefer to get TMNT on Blu-ray instead of HD-DVD because of the cost, can anyone tell me how the Samsung BDP-1000 plays a TrueHD track?
I know it doesn't support TrueHD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9911838&&#post9911838). Not sure how it plays TrueHD.

likkuid
08-06-07, 11:38 AM
TMNT was a fun movie ahah, saw it in theatres. I can't imagine Advent quality, that movie looked amazing on DVD as-is.

Donnie Eldridge
08-06-07, 12:15 PM
I know it doesn't support TrueHD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9911838&&#post9911838). Not sure how it plays TrueHD.
It should just play it as 2 channel uncompressed pcm.

Linux23
08-06-07, 12:43 PM
what are the differences between bluray and the hd-dvd versions?

T800
08-06-07, 03:03 PM
what are the differences between bluray and the hd-dvd versions?

The HD-DVD is a combo, other than that I think they are the same.
I will probably get it on HD-DVD now so at least I can get DD+.

jkcheng122
08-06-07, 03:08 PM
The HD-DVD is a combo, other than that I think they are the same.
I will probably get it on HD-DVD now so at least I can get DD+.

is the DD+ 1.5Mbps? if not it'd be all the same and you'd need to consider the combo's extra cost.

GGX
08-06-07, 03:14 PM
I will probably get it on HD-DVD now so at least I can get DD+.

All Warner DD+ tracks are identical to the equivalent DD track on Blu-ray (both encoded at 640kbps).

T800
08-07-07, 01:15 AM
All Warner DD+ tracks are identical to the equivalent DD track on Blu-ray (both encoded at 640kbps).

I wasn't aware of that, look's like I can get the BD version then.

vanilla rice
08-07-07, 01:18 AM
i just wanted to confirm that the artificial grain in FF is still there? i mean hidef digest didn't mention it, which i thought was weird, and the captures on page 1 looked pretty good. but eric.exe said it was still there...

cnickersonjr
08-07-07, 01:21 AM
Indeed. Plus, it won't be much longer before HD-DVD fades to a small niche format. ;)
Right now both HD-DVD and BD are niche formats

lgans316
08-07-07, 02:19 AM
No point in spending the hard earned money on animation flicks which looks pretty good on SD or cable HD. No offense. However I would love to own

1. The Cars
2. Incredibles
3. Finding Nemo

Everlasting flicks that can be enjoyed for the next 10 generations.

RDarrylR
08-08-07, 11:00 AM
Rented both of these yesterday on BD. Both are very impressive from a PQ point of view. The stories are not that great but hey I didn't expect too much on that front.

Mongoos150
08-08-07, 01:19 PM
No point in spending the hard earned money on animation flicks which looks pretty good on SD or cable HD. What is no point to you is a total point to someone else.

vanilla rice
08-08-07, 10:49 PM
hi, asking again: can anyone with this disc confirm whether the artificial grain is still in this particular transfer?

jbug
08-09-07, 11:53 AM
I didn't notice any grain at all. As far as PQ, it looked good but I'm glad I didn't pay any money at the theater to see this. It was mediocre at best and I can see why reviews weren't that good. They could have shown this one Saturday morning (he,he).