Question: 4 Ohms or 6 Ohms which one should i set my receiver to. My speakers say 4-8 Ohms?????

Also im settin up my 7.1 surround now, anything i should know in advance???

Question: 4 Ohms or 6 Ohms which one should i set my receiver to. My speakers say 4-8 Ohms?????

Set it to 6 ohms in the receiver.

Turbe, I have my xbox 360 hooked up to my HDMI 3 and i get sound.

Set it to 6 ohms in the receiver.

Thanks, doin it now. Also i just setup my 7.1 which setting/mode do you think is best to listen in or should i just go with what is on the back cover of a HD DVD or BD case? what do you use and everyone else in this thread????

Thanks, doin it now. Also i just setup my 7.1 which setting/mode do you think is best to listen in or should i just go with what is on the back cover of a HD DVD or BD case? what do you use and everyone else in this thread????

I only have three speakers and a sub set up so far but with those I like Dolby Prologic IIX best so far. THX Cinema modes sound nice as well.

woots - wealth of info in post #2247; I've bookmarked that link... seems it will be helpful to someone like myself regardless of my 7.1 decision.

I have not tested this yet, but the AV Component Hookup Sheet that comes with the 705 appears to state that a source connected to the HDMI IN3 Port will not output the Audio to the receiver's speakers, only HDMI IN1 and IN2(see top left of that sheet)....

Does anyone have a source connected to HDMI IN3 (and getting audio from the speakers)?

I'm using all three HDMI inputs (Blu-Ray on HDMI 1, HD-DVD on HDMI 2 and Comcast HD DVR on HDMI 3) and have sound on all three.

I'm using all three HDMI inputs (Blu-Ray on HDMI 1, HD-DVD on HDMI 2 and Comcast HD DVR on HDMI 3) and have sound on all three.

+1!:D

re: audio from hdmi3: I unplugged my xbox360 from hdmi1 and plugged it into hdmi3 - yep, sounds good there too.:cool:

I checked out that setup map, and it doesn't say audio won't be sent to the speakers from hdmi3; it just says audio will be sent to the speakers from hdmi1 or hdmi2. It simply doesn't mention hdmi3 in the text; perhaps this setup map for 705 was revised from the one used for the 605 (the 605 only has 2 hdmi inputs).

At first sound was just fine, but after 30 min or so the sound would cut out for a second then start up again, this started happening with more frequency as the night went on. I'd say about 40 minutes after it initially started, the sound was out more than it was coming though.
This seems similar to what I have begun to experience over my component STB connection, except for me it is video, not audio. The frequency of these blackouts did increase (at first I tried to write it off as a source issue, but then as the frequency increased I realized I had to consider there might be a real problem here).

My STB automatically DVR's what I'm watching, so I rewinded it a few seconds and found that the temporary blackouts did NOT occur during replay --- only during live play. So my STB got the picture, but my TV didn't....which seems to pinpoint the receiver as the culprit.

Considering the temp. was only 114F, this doesn't appear to be a heat issue.

Since no one else is experiencing this same problem, I might try exchanging my receiver, but either way, it looks like it's going back...:(

One question, possibly obvious, but what is the use of the "Last Valid" option in listening mode setup? In the manual it says that "The Last Valid option means that the listening mode selected last will be used." In that case why not leave it in whatever listening mode one wants, why "last valid"?

and when the computer is connected to that display and the GF is away... LOL

lol so busted in that picture.....

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There should be some type of AVS Forum picture award for that....

Yeah, if i had just zoomed in a little more......everyone could just look at the gear and forget about the rest....oh well....as you said....busted:cool::cool:

Should I buy the extended warranty from the retailer, Onkyo or some other warranty company?

Oh my God. I just watched Transformers on HD DVD via Xbox 360 add-on HD Drive and through 7.1 surround on my new 705 and all I have to say is WOW and Awesome, you must pick up this movie and watch and listen through 7.1 its amazing. Sound effects galore. If it wasn't so late I'd watch it again now. This movie is a must purchase not rent. PQ and sound gets a 5 out of 5. Its :eek: poppin. :D

One question, possibly obvious, but what is the use of the "Last Valid" option in listening mode setup? In the manual it says that "The Last Valid option means that the listening mode selected last will be used." In that case why not leave it in whatever listening mode one wants, why "last valid"?
I believe it is referring to "the listening mode selected last" by the remote. When you change the listening mode on the remote, I don't believe it changes the selection on the setup menu otherwize; changing the listening mode via remote is temporary unless the setup menu displays "Last Valid".

re: audio from hdmi3: I unplugged my xbox360 from hdmi1 and plugged it into hdmi3 - yep, sounds good there too.:cool:

I checked out that setup map, and it doesn't say audio won't be sent to the speakers from hdmi3; it just says audio will be sent to the speakers from hdmi1 or hdmi2. It simply doesn't mention hdmi3 in the text; perhaps this setup map for 705 was revised from the one used for the 605 (the 605 only has 2 hdmi inputs).

I assumed this (I did say it appears) and of course too lazy for not just trying it myself, but I guess I need to stop reading the 705 docs while I'm on my 'Throne' :)

This seems similar to what I have begun to experience over my component STB connection, except for me it is video, not audio. The frequency of these blackouts did increase (at first I tried to write it off as a source issue, but then as the frequency increased I realized I had to consider there might be a real problem here).

My STB automatically DVR's what I'm watching, so I rewinded it a few seconds and found that the temporary blackouts did NOT occur during replay --- only during live play. So my STB got the picture, but my TV didn't....which seems to pinpoint the receiver as the culprit.

Considering the temp. was only 114F, this doesn't appear to be a heat issue.

Since no one else is experiencing this same problem, I might try exchanging my receiver, but either way, it looks like it's going back...:(


FYI: I have experienced this too, but not as often as it sounds you are. Sometimes, depending on the show (it seems), the sound just disappears for a second and then comes back. I don't use HDMI.

I don't have this problem when playind CDs or DVDs - only from TV shows, which is why I've put it down to "bad reception" or similar. My system regularly goes up to 54 Degrees (celsius).

Bring on the Australian summer .. and we'll see what this unit is made out of!

I only have three speakers and a sub set up so far but with those I like Dolby Prologic IIX best so far. THX Cinema modes sound nice as well.

Are you sure you're getting DD PLIIx? Anything less than a 6.1 speaker setup should only allow DD PLII, no x.

I believe it is referring to "the listening mode selected last" by the remote. When you change the listening mode on the remote, I don't believe it changes the selection on the setup menu otherwize; changing the listening mode via remote is temporary unless the setup menu displays "Last Valid".

This is correct. If you want to have DD PLIIx or whatever as your main listening mode you can set it up that way in setup for say STB transmitted DD 5.1 or DD 2.0, that way any time your STB kicks in with that type of material it will process via DD PLIIx. If you experiment with other listening modes it will automatically go back to DD PLIIx if the source changes to that type of material. This can be annoying when a station changes to commercials because sometimes it will be mono so you get a lot of switching. As Transcend stated, your listening mode selection will persist for any material if it is the last one selected and last valid is the preselect in setup.

Sound and video cut-outs. I don't like this phenom. To me this indicates the AVR is shutting down because of an overload condition. This can be current related and not necessarily show up as heat. I'd track this closely and if it persists take some repair/return action. A couple of the old saws may apply: Double check your speaker wires if using twisted ends, how hard are you running the system, does a decrease in the master level solve the problem, etc. Good luck with this, it warrants close observation.

Oh my God. I just watched Transformers on HD DVD via Xbox 360 add-on HD Drive and through 7.1 surround on my new 705 and all I have to say is WOW and Awesome, you must pick up this movie and watch and listen through 7.1 its amazing. Sound effects galore. If it wasn't so late I'd watch it again now. This movie is a must purchase not rent. PQ and sound gets a 5 out of 5. Its :eek: poppin. :D

If you think Transformers sounds good in 7.1, I just spun Live Free Or Die Hard and Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End using DPL-IIx Movie Mode on the 5.1 tracks... and OH MY GOD! Live Free Or Die Hard has some of the most visceral gunfire sounds I've heard in a while, with a nice solid low end punctuation with each shot. And POTC:AWE's cannon fire was a nice all-over-the-room experience (though at 2:50 it was a bit long).

Definitely glad I stepped up to 7.1 after getting my 705. Audyssey has given me some unbelievable bass and a flatter response than I was ever able to achieve on my ART-351 EQ.

I finally broke open my Happy Feet HD DVD yesterday since I could not seem to sell it here. There is a scene where they snowboard down the slopes and start an avalanche. Wow, even with just my front speakers and a sub this scene was great! I would highly recommend that chapter as demo material.

+1 on Happy Feet. There's just too much really good stuff in this one to even begin to isolate the best. Avalanche is great, the ship crashing into the ice is even deeper and the musicals are A-One. Plus, its got happy little penguins!! Demo material it is.

Are you sure you're getting DD PLIIx? Anything less than a 6.1 speaker setup should only allow DD PLII, no x.

Well, now that you mention it I'm not exactly sure. However, I ran Audyssey last night just for the heck of it with the 3 front speakers and sub since that's all I have right now. After it finished I do not show the option for any sound processing modes. Just get Stereo, Direct, Multichannel.

Is the 705 better than the 605 when converting component to HDMI?

Is the 705 better than the 605 when converting component to HDMI?

No, exactly the same.

Is the 705 better than the 605 when converting component to HDMI?

It should be the same. I've had both and I don't recall a difference. Its a mixed bag. Some SD cable material looks better through the conversion some doesn't. I switch around quite a bit, much to She Who Must Be Obeyed's chagrin.

I thought I'd share some of my bookmarks. If anyone wants to better understanding some of the Onkyo DSP's and settings, these links are a good read.

Neural-THX Surround
http://www.thx.com/technologies/neural.html

THX Re-EQ (This is a setting on the Onkyo)
http://www.thx.com/technologies/reeq.html

DTS HD
http://www.dtsonline.com/dts-hd/why-does-dtshd-sound-so-good.php

Dolby TrueHD
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html

Dolby Digital EX
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/dolby_ex.html

Dolby Pro Logic IIx (this reads as PLIIx on our receivers)
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/prologic_IIx.html

There are many more Dolby related DSP links worth reading on that Dolby page site. I will let you guys dig through these sites further if your interested.

Whenever you see EX or X after the DSP name it means its the "extra channel" variation of that DSP... for 6.1 and 7.1 setups.

Hope its helpful. ;)

Set my 705 last ngiht but didn't have a real chance to get everything finished. Some inital impressions -

-This bastard runs hot. They aren't kidding about wanting 8" above the unit. I need to look at some cooling solutions
-My SA 8300HD won't transmit AV from the HDMI cable. From a previous post someone stated that the 8300HD has HDMI but it isn't supported? Weak, time to re-look at DTV.

FYI: I have experienced this too, but not as often as it sounds you are. Sometimes, depending on the show (it seems), the sound just disappears for a second and then comes back. I don't use HDMI.

For me it is only video that is dropping out; my STB is connected to the receiver via component cables, and the receiver is connected to the TV via HDMI. Also, I've only noticed this occurring on HD channels --my husband mentioned the same thing, that it only effects HD channels. It seemed to happen when the camera angles were changing during the game or during a quick pan from one area to another area on the field.

I'm going to adjust the resolution on my STB back to 720 (it's currently on 1080i as it was when it was going straight to the TV) and see if that resolves the black outs. Right now 1080 broadcasts are being downconverted to 720 by the receiver, and maybe that is causing the temporary picture outages.

On a different matter: Oddly, I don't have that 2-second audio delay many of you have reported when switching TV channlels. For me it's a 2-second video delay. I hear the sound first, there's a black screen, then two seconds later, the picture appears. The video takes even longer to appear when switching between a non-HD and an HD channel. The audio is almost instantaneous. This could be because I'm currently using those 2 extra plugs on the component cable for audio - yes, analog :o. I'm waiting for my optical cable to arrive any day now.

I noticed my firmware numbers (which I posted a while ago) is a little different (higher numerically) from all the others I've seen posted here...Not sure if that makes a difference with what's happening with my video.

Comparing the 705 to the 605 with a 7.1 hdmi setup.

While watching a BR from a PS3 or HD-DVD from the A2 with the uncompressed track, will the 705 output audio to my rear speakers? Right now with my 605 I have noticed while watching a BR or HD-DVD my rear speakers are never activated.

So will the reciever show PCM MultiChann and allow me to get a full 7.1 experience even if the movie does not support it?

Or is this an option I have to use? ex. THX, DDex. etc etc.

Thanks for the help. I've had my 605 for less than a week and while I like it, I would like the option of having the 3rd HDMI port, the added fans, & the ability to have my entire 7.1 setup playing while watching a BR or HD that only supports 5.1

705 will matrix/process 5.1 MCH PCM into 7.1 the 605 will not. Yes, you will have to select DD PLIIx or THX, etc for this to occur.

How is the quality of the matrixed 5.1 audio into 6.1 or 7.1? Anyone care to comment?

If you think Transformers sounds good in 7.1, I just spun Live Free Or Die Hard and Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End using DPL-IIx Movie Mode on the 5.1 tracks... and OH MY GOD! Live Free Or Die Hard has some of the most visceral gunfire sounds I've heard in a while, with a nice solid low end punctuation with each shot. And POTC:AWE's cannon fire was a nice all-over-the-room experience (though at 2:50 it was a bit long).

Definitely glad I stepped up to 7.1 after getting my 705. Audyssey has given me some unbelievable bass and a flatter response than I was ever able to achieve on my ART-351 EQ.

I totally agree. So Live Free or Die Hard is out already on HDDVD or BD?? I wanna pick it up.

Also what listening mode do you prefer?

Set my 705 last ngiht but didn't have a real chance to get everything finished. Some inital impressions -

-This bastard runs hot. They aren't kidding about wanting 8" above the unit. I need to look at some cooling solutions
-My SA 8300HD won't transmit AV from the HDMI cable. From a previous post someone stated that the 8300HD has HDMI but it isn't supported? Weak, time to re-look at DTV.

Hey mattdmb, I have a SA8300 HD which is hooked up via HDMI and i can get both video and sound through it. You must have a setting wrong.

I totally agree. So Live Free or Die Hard is out already on HDDVD or BD?? I wanna pick it up.

Also what listening mode do you prefer?

No, but it's due out November 20. ;)

I'm using DPL-IIx Movie Mode for everything except 2-channel music now.

I posted this question on the 605 thread also, so sorry and don't flame me if somebody is reading this post twice.

you were able to connect so many things to 605 and watch all of them with out any issues!! cool!!

I have a 705 but right now I am able to get dvd player hooked and working. I am trying to connect the TV antenna to my 705 and watch TV on the plasma tv, no luck yet. I am plugging the TV antenna into the FM antenna slot. I tried doing the page 26 of the 605 manual or page 29 of 705 manual, but no luck. Any comments on what i am doing wrong??

I am leaning towards the fact that connecting the tv antenna to the receiver FM antenna slot is not correct.
I want to watch programs with the TV antenna as this is a HDTV antenna, and when connected to my HDTV, the picture quality is very good, compared to what i see on my dish NON-HD receiver/programming. I also dont want to upgrade my dish package right now.

so bottomline, i want to connect my HDTV antenna to the receiver and watch the over the air TV programs, via the receiver.

again Any comments??

No, but it's due out November 20. ;)

I'm using DPL-IIx Movie Mode for everything except 2-channel music now.

I was also using DPL-IIx Movie for everything (with just 3 speakers and a sub) until I ran Audyssey last night just for fun. Now I get no sound modes at all. The surround speakers will be arriving Wednesday so I will do everything over then.

Fav. Listening modes: DPL-II(no x) Movie for everything except playing audio CD's (for that I use all-channel surround).

csrini1, I think you need to connect your antenna directly to the TV, and then connect your TV's digital audio-out to the receiver's digital audio-in. Hopefully someone else will correct me if I'm wrong....and since you want to continue using your dish receiver, hopefully your TV has more than one antenna connection (my Samsung 4665F did).

It would be nice if the receiver had an ATSC QAM Digital TV Tuner (I'm considering going OTA-only myself, once my Comcast 3-for-33 contract expires), but most new HD TV's now have them built-in anyway. Question for others - AV receivers don't normally have TV tuners, do they? :confused:

Fav. Listening modes: DPL-II(no x) Movie for everything except playing audio CD's (for that I use all-channel surround).

csrini1, I think you need to connect your antenna directly to the TV, and then connect your TV's digital audio-out to the receiver's digital audio-in. Hopefully someone else will correct me if I'm wrong....and since you want to continue using your dish receiver, hopefully your TV has more than one antenna connection (my Samsung 4665F did).

It would be nice if the receiver had an ATSC QAM Digital TV Tuner (I'm considering going OTA-only myself, once my Comcast 3-for-33 contract expires), but most new HD TV's now have them built-in anyway. Question for others - AV receivers don't normally have TV tuners, do they? :confused:

Thats what i am thinking now after 40 hrs of reading manuals,avs forums and "googling". Bcos A/v receivers don't have tuners, the TV antenna should be connect to either vcr or to tv. and then use digital optical audio cables to go between receiver and tv. I ordered a bunch of cables today from monoprice, will get them tomorrow. I will try these out tomorrow.

Now it sounds common sense to not connect TV antenna to the receiver as it does not have the tuner!! good learning stuff for me...

I have a couple quick questions about bi-amping with the SR705. The left/right speakers are bi-ampable from the receiver, how many watts does this output to each speaker? 100x100L and 100x100R or does it half it 50x50L and 50x50R?

Also if you use the pre-amp outs to amp a speaker, will you simaltaneously get amped sound from the speaker outs?

I have a Panasonic DMP-BD10A connected to my Onkyo 705. I am using an HDMI connection and need some advice on how to get the correct signals from the Pany to the Onkyo so that it can decode the TrueHD and DTS-HD signals. It seems to work fine with the bitstream feed on standard DD and DTS but not on the HD audio signals. Anyone have guidance on the appropriate setup to decode the HD signals with the Onkyo?

I have a Panasonic DMP-BD10A connected to my Onkyo 705. I am using an HDMI connection and need some advice on how to get the correct signals from the Pany to the Onkyo so that it can decode the TrueHD and DTS-HD signals. It seems to work fine with the bitstream feed on standard DD and DTS but not on the HD audio signals. Anyone have guidance on the appropriate setup to decode the HD signals with the Onkyo?

I didn't think the Panasonic DMP-BD10A passed TrueHD and DTS-HD via bitstream. I think it decodes it in the player and passes it PCM. Maybe that's your problem.

good learning stuff for me...

yeah, same here ;)

I was also using DPL-IIx Movie for everything (with just 3 speakers and a sub) until I ran Audyssey last night just for fun. Now I get no sound modes at all. The surround speakers will be arriving Wednesday so I will do everything over then.

Are you going to be running a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system. I highly recommend 7.1 especially after i just set mine up this weekend. I noticed a nice difference. What speakers are you going to use. :D

Yes please do not connect your TV antenna to the receiver there is no tuner. But you can connect your computer monitor to your VCR and get a picture, I found that out when in was 14.:D

Are you going to be running a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system. I highly recommend 7.1 especially after i just set mine up this weekend. I noticed a nice difference. What speakers are you going to use. :D

I will have 5.1 by the weekend but plan on 7.1 eventually. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Probably by the end of the month or first of next month if I can squeeze that much more out of my wallet. :(

Funny stuff:
I got that new Fantastic 4 silver surfer on blu ray (seems many stand alone blu ray players don't play this movie....cause of some new features they added that doesnt work with many stand alone players firmware.. smart sony movie :P ). Thankfully, ps3 could play it and i didn't have to return it.

One of these new features is something called D-Box I got a laugh out of it.
http://www.d-box.com/
You sit your chair on top of this device and I think it throws you around when things happen on the screen.

I think they added that feature to "this movie" so in case you fall asleep the chair throws you across the room and wakes you back up :)

If you think Transformers sounds good in 7.1, I just spun Live Free Or Die Hard and Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End using DPL-IIx Movie Mode on the 5.1 tracks... and OH MY GOD! Live Free Or Die Hard has some of the most visceral gunfire sounds I've heard in a while, with a nice solid low end punctuation with each shot. And POTC:AWE's cannon fire was a nice all-over-the-room experience (though at 2:50 it was a bit long).Yeah. But, how were the actual movies? ;)

One of these new features is something called D-Box I got a laugh out of it.
http://www.d-box.com/
You sit your chair on top of this device and I think it throws you around when things happen on the screen

LOL, who needs Disney World anymore...

Yeah. But, how were the actual movies? ;)

Well, we're getting sidetracked from the thread topic... but Live Free Or Die Hard was awesome, which is unusual for a "part 4" movie. Amazing audio and a great movie. Topped Transformers for my pick for best action flick this year. POTC:AWE is too damn long, but worth watching. Fortunately, the 2:50 length is a little more forgiveable at home, 'cause you can pause it when you need to.

LOL, who needs Disney World anymore...

I'm gonna get one of those D-Box platforms and stick it under the bed frame... and feed quarters into it all night.. lol

make it the Route 66 Pussy Kat and Home Theater Motel Suite.... Either that or a movie scene reenactment of the Exorcist.

I'm gonna get one of those D-Box platforms and stick it under the bed frame... and feed quarters into it all night.. lol

make it the Route 66 Pussy Kat and Home Theater Motel Suite.... Either that or a movie scene reenactment of the Exorcist.

Yikes, Exorcist. That is my girlfriend's favorite movie. She even named her dog Ragen.

Xbox360 Elite
HDMI in, HDMI out
Source Setup->A/V Sync: 0ms
Hardware->HDMI->Lip Sync: Disable
Result: PERFECT


Cable STB
Component&Analog in, HDMI out
Source Setup->A/V Sync: 35ms
Hardware->HDMI->Lip Sync: Disable
Result: PERFECT

I tried to be very critical in my judgement; I'll re-evaluate the STB once I hook up the optical cable for digital audio.

BTW, no more picture blackouts with TV since I reset the STB from 1080i to 720p (so far).

Ok guys, I have a problem, i have my boy over to help hook up all the stuff. Im trying to plug in my 360(component) and have it go to the TV via HDMI. weve tried everything, and nothing will work. we have tried plugging it into every comp. input there is, and no picture will show. How do we get this to work? thanks for any help.

I will have 5.1 by the weekend but plan on 7.1 eventually. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Probably by the end of the month or first of next month if I can squeeze that much more out of my wallet. :(

yea i feel you, thank god i had some JBL500 speakers from 1999 in my bedroom but they sound great in the 7.1.

Ok guys, I have a problem, i have my boy over to help hook up all the stuff. Im trying to plug in my 360(component) and have it go to the TV via HDMI. weve tried everything, and nothing will work. we have tried plugging it into every comp. input there is, and no picture will show. How do we get this to work? thanks for any help.

I pretty sure if your going to use ur 360 via component in the 705, then you have to go to your tv via component. Unless you have a 360 Elite, like i have then you can go in the 705 via HDMI and out to tv HDMI. I really dont think you can go in 705 component and out to tv HDMI. I know what your tryin to do, you sneeky guys... Anyone care to correct me if im wrong???

Ok guys, I have a problem, i have my boy over to help hook up all the stuff. Im trying to plug in my 360(component) and have it go to the TV via HDMI. weve tried everything, and nothing will work. we have tried plugging it into every comp. input there is, and no picture will show. How do we get this to work? thanks for any help.
Did you press Setup Menu on the remote and select "Input/Output Assign"?

I really dont think you can go in 705 component and out to tv HDMI.
Yes you can, but you might need to adjust the Console Settings on the xbox to a 720 resolution if it was previously set at 1080.

+1 on Happy Feet.

Here's a thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=856576)discussing good movies for showing off surround sound setups.

Set my 705 last ngiht but didn't have a real chance to get everything finished. Some inital impressions -

-This bastard runs hot. They aren't kidding about wanting 8" above the unit. I need to look at some cooling solutions
-My SA 8300HD won't transmit AV from the HDMI cable. From a previous post someone stated that the 8300HD has HDMI but it isn't supported? Weak, time to re-look at DTV.

I was having some of the Audio drop out problems others have mentioned here and felt it might be heat related. I brought a small 12cm house fan (ie not a computer 12cm fan) and have it directly on top of the 705 in the middle. It's only got 2 speed settings and it's on the low one which isn't any louder than my projector (i.e. not noticable with even the smallest sound from the speakers).

This dropped the temperature remarkably. With a room temp of around 25/26 (Brisbane,Aus) the 705 was at 49C on it's own display. The fan dropped it to 29/30C within a couple of minutes. I originally had the fan over the hot back righthand corner and this didn't drop the temperature anywhere hear as much probably because there are to many boards in the way in that corner and they hinder airflow. Anyway if you have temperature concerns you can drop the temperature drastically with a very cheep fan ($12 AUS). And if you're worried about how it looks I'm sure a computer fan could be arranged to look a lot neater and do the same job.

On the dropout side of things I only had problems with the optical audio from the computer, nothing else. Short dropouts after 30-45 mins and got worse as time went on. Saturday was the first chance I've had to run music for any length of time since I've had the fan. Music from the computer ran fine for 5 hours (bit of a party), no dropouts. I'd like to run some more music from the computer with the fan off again just to be sure but at this stage it would seem to be temperature related. The optical ins are in the hottest corner of the unit and I had no dropout problems when plugged in via the front AUX optical input. I'll let everyone know when I have a more definite answer and I'll see if I can report what temp I have dropout problems with the fan off if I and can reproduce it.

After reading all the threads, it looks like the 2 second delay when switching stations, FF, etc... is common and due to the different modes the receiver is dealing with. I don't agree this should be acceptable, but just my opinion.
Thanks!
Al


Several people have brought up the subject of the 2 second audio delay when changing channels or using 30 second skip. Someone previously posted the fix for this:
set your cable/Sat box to "PCM" instead of "DD".

This will fix it. It was a very annoying problem before. Now I get instant sound when I change channels or skip forward. I also set the 705 to PLII processing for this input and like the sound

let us know how it works out.

Does anyone know if the 705 scales automatically or can I disable the scaler. I prefer to use the sacaler in my Pio 5070 plasma which i hear is very very good and i dont need the 705 to do the scaling. Is this true?

Not sure if this was asked before, in which country was this product manufactured? I'm having trouble finding this information.
I need to fill out a commercial invoice from UPS when bringing this unit through customs to Toronto, and this is a required field.
Any help would be appreciated.

Not sure if this was asked before, in which country was this product manufactured? I'm having trouble finding this information.
I need to fill out a commercial invoice from UPS when bringing this unit through customs to Toronto, and this is a required field.
Any help would be appreciated.

Made in Malaysia.

Several people have brought up the subject of the 2 second audio delay when changing channels or using 30 second skip. Someone previously posted the fix for this:
set your cable/Sat box to "PCM" instead of "DD".

This will fix it. It was a very annoying problem before. Now I get instant sound when I change channels or skip forward. I also set the 705 to PLII processing for this input and like the sound

Just note, if you change the setting to PCM, you will no longer be outputting DD 5.1 to your speakers (for HD channels that output 5.1), but will only be getting DD 2.0.

yes i got it to work. but i have another question. I have the sony bdps1 bluray, and when i run a Bluray with TRUEHD, i cant get it to display truehd on the receiver. i run dolby digital +ex. i dont think thats the best option. The DTS doesnt even come up. i added a digital cable for audio, and that added dolby digital, but not dolby digital plus, or dolby truehd, just dolby +ex. what is the problem?

Press the Tuning Mode button, towards the bottom right and to the left of the jack where you put the microphone for Audessy setup. Same th9ing happened to me i thought my 705 was faulty. Lower the volume before you do this or you might blow ur speaks or scare the crap out of urself and family members and pets. lol. let me know if thats it. :D

Thanks Uptown. I tried what you said, and when I push the Tuning Mode button, it didn't do anything. In the manual it looks to me like that button has to do with tuning AM/FM Stations. Am I wrong on this, or might I be doing something wrong? Thanks again for any insight.

Ray

Here's a thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=856576)discussing good movies for showing off surround sound setups.

nice thank you.

Thanks Uptown. I tried what you said, and when I push the Tuning Mode button, it didn't do anything. In the manual it looks to me like that button has to do with tuning AM/FM Stations. Am I wrong on this, or might I be doing something wrong? Thanks again for any insight.

Ray

Are you getting any sound or just a faint sound. I'm shocked this is still happening after 3 days and not solved yet. Ask woots he might be able to help you on your problem since i just got mine on Friday.

Are you getting any sound or just a faint sound. I'm shocked this is still happening after 3 days and not solved yet. Ask woots he might be able to help you on your problem since i just got mine on Friday.

I found that by adjusting the "Intellivolume" up that it helped alot. By increasing that ,the volume went way up, and was more what I was used to and now it doesn't seem like I'm cranking it way up now. One thing I noticed is that I no longer have a A&B Speakers switch. On my old setup I had the LFE cable anda set of rt/lt speaker cables running to my sub, which gave great bass sound. With this receiver the only cable I can run to the sub is the subwoofer out cable. I have had to really crank up the sub to get the bass back to what I'm used to. Maybe this is just growing pains from learning a new receivers function. All this capability and the only connections i have to the receiver are HDMI1(DVR), and HDMI2(DVD). I'm still fiddiling with the settings. When i do the auto speaker setup, a lot of the speaker settings are in the -db area. I think it has my center channel set at like -6 db compared to the others. I'm not as technically saavy when it comes to alot of the new settings on these receivers. I just want my movies and HD TV shows to sound great.

When i do the auto speaker setup, a lot of the speaker settings are in the -db area. .

That seems to be normal. In fact, ALL of my speaker levels were set below zero.

Several people have brought up the subject of the 2 second audio delay when changing channels or using 30 second skip. Someone previously posted the fix for this:
set your cable/Sat box to "PCM" instead of "DD".

This will fix it. It was a very annoying problem before. Now I get instant sound when I change channels or skip forward. I also set the 705 to PLII processing for this input and like the sound


The manual states:
The receiver will take longer to identify the audio format of an HDMI signal than it does for other digital audio signals... audio output may not start immediately...

Is there a delay with the other digital inputs?

I have a delay and I am using an optical connection.

I like to know from different people here what there speaker level is set to with either 5.1 or 7.1, I sit about 9 feet from screen. mine are as follows:

L -5
C -8
R -5
SR -1
SBR -2
SBL -2
SL -2

Audessy set them each -3 levels lower, but i wanted to hear more surround sounds (louder).

Also in Hardware Setup and under HDMI, do guys/girls leave HDMI audio out off or on??? mine is off and it sounds good.

Also in Hardware Setup and under HDMI, do guys/girls leave HDMI audio out off or on??? mine is off and it sounds good.

off (no audio is sent to TV speakers).

I was having some of the Audio drop out problems others have mentioned here and felt it might be heat related. I brought a small 12cm house fan (ie not a computer 12cm fan) and have it directly on top of the 705 in the middle. It's only got 2 speed settings and it's on the low one which isn't any louder than my projector (i.e. not noticable with even the smallest sound from the speakers).

This dropped the temperature remarkably. With a room temp of around 25/26 (Brisbane,Aus) the 705 was at 49C on it's own display. The fan dropped it to 29/30C within a couple of minutes. I originally had the fan over the hot back righthand corner and this didn't drop the temperature anywhere hear as much probably because there are to many boards in the way in that corner and they hinder airflow. Anyway if you have temperature concerns you can drop the temperature drastically with a very cheep fan ($12 AUS). And if you're worried about how it looks I'm sure a computer fan could be arranged to look a lot neater and do the same job.

On the dropout side of things I only had problems with the optical audio from the computer, nothing else. Short dropouts after 30-45 mins and got worse as time went on. Saturday was the first chance I've had to run music for any length of time since I've had the fan. Music from the computer ran fine for 5 hours (bit of a party), no dropouts. I'd like to run some more music from the computer with the fan off again just to be sure but at this stage it would seem to be temperature related. The optical ins are in the hottest corner of the unit and I had no dropout problems when plugged in via the front AUX optical input. I'll let everyone know when I have a more definite answer and I'll see if I can report what temp I have dropout problems with the fan off if I and can reproduce it.


I used to be concerned about the temperature on the 705 but after speaking with the onkyo support here, they advised that until the unit reaches 60 Degrees, the 2 fans aren't even on. 70 Degrees is reaching critical levels and output power will reduce (their words).

On a side note: we clicked 34 Degrees outside here at Sydney, inside temp was probably a bit more (Australian builidng standards!!): the unit went up to it's normal 54 Degrees (it usually hovers between 50-54).

That's still 10%-15% from the 2 fans even starting.

Also in Hardware Setup and under HDMI, do guys/girls leave HDMI audio out off or on??? mine is off and it sounds good.

OFF here too... my tv speakers shall get no love!

oh thats for the internal tv speakers, ok i didnt know that.

damnnn $500 for speakers, my center costs $400 alone.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0214.jpg

Hey Uptown I like those decrotive "balls":confused: under your screen and on opposite sides of your center speaker. What are they called?

Anyone that signed up for the AAA coupon, how long did it take to get the coupon in the email? I signed up for it on Sunday and still have not received it yet.

Anyone that signed up for the AAA coupon, how long did it take to get the coupon in the email? I signed up for it on Sunday and still have not received it yet.

Ten minutes tops, usually around five.

yes i got it to work. but i have another question. I have the sony bdps1 bluray, and when i run a Bluray with TRUEHD, i cant get it to display truehd on the receiver. i run dolby digital +ex. i dont think thats the best option. The DTS doesnt even come up. i added a digital cable for audio, and that added dolby digital, but not dolby digital plus, or dolby truehd, just dolby +ex. what is the problem?

I have a similar problem. My PS3 is connected to my 705 via HDMI. The only BD disc I have with a TrueHD track is The Fifth Element. I put it in, select the TrueHD track in the menu, and then start the movie. The display then shows Dolby Digital :confused: I know it cant be the receiver because it is TrueHD capable. I know the PS3 (as of yet) can't decode DTS-MA, but it that also true with TrueHD?

I have a similar problem. My PS3 is connected to my 705 via HDMI. The only BD disc I have with a TrueHD track is The Fifth Element. I put it in, select the TrueHD track in the menu, and then start the movie. The display then shows Dolby Digital :confused: I know it cant be the receiver because it is TrueHD capable. I know the PS3 (as of yet) can't decode DTS-MA, but it that also true with TrueHD?

Set PS3's BD/DVD HDMI output to Linear PCM, and your PS3 will decode TrueHD to Linear PCM and your Onkyo say Multi Ch and that's how you get TrueHD in PS3 at the moment.

I tried this based on the posted link, but on checkout did not show up. Can someone PM me how they did it? I'm in a holding pattern on this unit due to CC's crazy pricing. Strange as it seems, getting a deal is worth much more than the time I spend getting it. Sure a lot of you can relate.

Set PS3's BD/DVD HDMI output to Linear PCM, and your PS3 will decode TrueHD to Linear PCM and your Onkyo say Multi Ch and that's how you get TrueHD in PS3 at the moment.

I had it set that way before, but I switched it to bitstream. The DTS 'core' track seems to sound better to me that way. Guess ill just watch them all with the PCM track for now.

On a different matter: Oddly, I don't have that 2-second audio delay many of you have reported when switching TV channlels. For me it's a 2-second video delay. I hear the sound first, there's a black screen, then two seconds later, the picture appears. The video takes even longer to appear when switching between a non-HD and an HD channel. The audio is almost instantaneous. This could be because I'm currently using those 2 extra plugs on the component cable for audio - yes, analog :o. I'm waiting for my optical cable to arrive any day now.

I would think there would be a slight delay with the video fed from your stb via component as it is being processed by the receiver (up-converted / AD conversion)...

I noticed my firmware numbers (which I posted a while ago) is a little different (higher numerically) from all the others I've seen posted here...Not sure if that makes a difference with what's happening with my video.

Is there a list started of firmware versions? I'd like to compare mine.

Can we tell the manufactured date (month, batch etc) from the serial number?

Xbox360 Elite
HDMI in, HDMI out
Source Setup->A/V Sync: 0ms
Hardware->HDMI->Lip Sync: Disable
Result: PERFECT


Cable STB
Component&Analog in, HDMI out
Source Setup->A/V Sync: 35ms
Hardware->HDMI->Lip Sync: Disable
Result: PERFECT



'Hardware->HDMI->Lip Sync: Disable'
If enabled, this would have no effect unless the HDMI connected Display supported this feature as well......

Anyone that signed up for the AAA coupon, how long did it take to get the coupon in the email? I signed up for it on Sunday and still have not received it yet.

I had mine in less than 30 minutes if I recall... check your spam filter/folder if you have one..



As far as temperature, mine usually runs at 109 degrees F (114 max).. I have about 7 inches of space above my 705.

Though I wasn't overly concerned, I ordered the following inexpensive A/V cooler (originally posted by BobHD in a 875 forum thread), it sucks the hot/warm air from the receiver and blows the air to the sides...

BobHD
"I located it on top of the receiver in the rear where it gets the hottest and plugged it into the switched outlet. It sucks air up through the receiver and blows it out the sides. I have the variable speed control set at about 2/3 speed where it makes less noise than the hard drive in my DVR and it works just fine. I do understand that aesthetics may come into play in that glass cabinet. My components are in a closet and are not visible."

If you are concerned, you may want to check it out...

http://www.buyextras.com/evavcoblfanf.html


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I have just replaced my Pioneer VSX-816 with a new Onkyo 705. Everything is exactly the same but when I switched to the new receiver I now have a loud hum in the subwoofer that was not there before. I have gone thru everything looking for a ground loops and the hum is still there. I have even temporarily put in cheater plugs to eliminate the ground completely and the hum still persists. I believe the DSP's in the Onkyo is adding this hum based on the fact that if I switch the reciever to pure audio mode which I understand eliminates any audio processing the hum goes away. Has anyone seen this problem before?? Is it possible that I have a bad reciever?? Any feedback would be appreciated.

I was having some of the Audio drop out problems others have mentioned here and felt it might be heat related. I brought a small 12cm house fan (ie not a computer 12cm fan) and have it directly on top of the 705 in the middle. It's only got 2 speed settings and it's on the low one which isn't any louder than my projector (i.e. not noticable with even the smallest sound from the speakers).

I bought a single 120mm Ultra Quiet Vantec fan off this website a while back.... Its positioned back right quadrant of my receiver blowing air up and out. This one.... http://www.buyextras.com/vastulqu12dc.html


I stay under or at 101 degrees F after several hours of use. Before I owned any fan I was in the range of 116-120 degrees F after a couple hours use. After the fan the rate of increase on the temperature lowered and of course I also dropped my temp 20 degrees. Of course since the AC adapter is plugged into my receiver it turns on and off with my receiver so I do not think about it. Also, this ultra quiet fan is very quiet even at full speed, the only time I can barely hear it is when the room is purely silent and I have to walk near the receiver.

Hey Uptown I like those decrotive "balls":confused: under your screen and on opposite sides of your center speaker. What are they called?

I pretty sure they are glass paper weights dude.

I have the same experience. It seems to only happen when the DSP's are in use, pure audio works fine. I found some hum was coming from the cable tv line so I installed a filter from Jenson. That only helped a little bit. I also installed a ground loop isolator on the subwoofer and that did not help at all. I am still getting to much hum through the subwoofer and some through my center. Anything above -14 getting really bad at reference and above.
I have been approaching the problem as if it were an issue with my setup with ground loops etc. But this is only evident when DSP's are turned on which makes it seem like the DSP's are not isolated properly. I am no electrical engineer.
It would be nice to use my DSP's and not have to drop back to pure audio mode. I had the same problem with my Yamaha prior to getting the Onkyo so maybe it is just something common when the volume is turned up.

I have just replaced my Pioneer VSX-816 with a new Onkyo 705. Everything is exactly the same but when I switched to the new receiver I now have a loud hum in the subwoofer that was not there before. I have gone thru everything looking for a ground loops and the hum is still there. I have even temporarily put in cheater plugs to eliminate the ground completely and the hum still persists. I believe the DSP's in the Onkyo is adding this hum based on the fact that if I switch the reciever to pure audio mode which I understand eliminates any audio processing the hum goes away. Has anyone seen this problem before?? Is it possible that I have a bad reciever?? Any feedback would be appreciated.

You are most likely getting earth loop hum from the sub. If its an earth loop problem in the sub, this is not the responsibility of the receiver to fix it, but of the sub to fix it. Some subwoofers will have a ground in and ground out switch to break the earth loop hum.

If your sub doesn't have a ground switch, you can try rearranging your home theater and other equipment to different sockets in the room (temporarily) to see if this fixes the problem. If it turns out your sub is having earth loop issues they sell devices that can fix ground loop problems that go between your device and the socket. Just be "sure" earth loop is the issue and its not a failing sub before you pony up the cash on a earth loop blocker.

I'm looking to buy the SR705 in the near future. Hopefully sooner rather than later. :)

Quick question about bi-amping. If I were to use the Pre-Amp Outs, does that disable the speaker level outs? I would like to bi-amp using the amp from the receiver + an external amp.

I don't think it is a ground loop. It was not there on my old receiver. All I did is pull out my old reciever and put in the new one all wiring is exactly the same. Something in the new receiver is causing the hum.

You are most likely getting earth loop hum from the sub. If its an earth loop problem in the sub, this is not the responsibility of the receiver to fix it, but of the sub to fix it. Some subwoofers will have a ground in and ground out switch to break the earth loop hum.

If your sub doesn't have a ground switch, you can try rearranging your home theater and other equipment to different sockets in the room (temporarily) to see if this fixes the problem. If it turns out your sub is having earth loop issues they sell devices that can fix ground loop problems that go between your device and the socket. Just be "sure" earth loop is the issue and its not a failing sub before you pony up the cash on a earth loop blocker.

I have the same experience. It seems to only happen when the DSP's are in use, pure audio works fine. I found some hum was coming from the cable tv line so I installed a filter from Jenson. That only helped a little bit. I also installed a ground loop isolator on the subwoofer and that did not help at all. I am still getting to much hum through the subwoofer and some through my center. Anything above -14 getting really bad at reference and above.
I have been approaching the problem as if it were an issue with my setup with ground loops etc. But this is only evident when DSP's are turned on which makes it seem like the DSP's are not isolated properly. I am no electrical engineer.
It would be nice to use my DSP's and not have to drop back to pure audio mode. I had the same problem with my Yamaha prior to getting the Onkyo so maybe it is just something common when the volume is turned up.
This is exactly the problem I am having. I have gone as far as disconnecting the cable line completely and putting in a cheater plug on my sub which removes the ground completely and the hum still persists. I am tending to agree with you that the DSP's are not isolated correctly or possible some units are faulty. Otherwise what would explain the hum dissappering when you switch to pure audio mode.

I just spent some time checking the hum issue with the DSP's...

I don't have it, at full volume (+15), I hear zero sound (on all speakers)...

In this room, I don't even have my cable connection connected, I do have D* HD and DVD, both with HDMI and xbox via component...

This is exactly the problem I am having. I have gone as far as disconnecting the cable line completely and putting in a cheater plug on my sub which removes the ground completely and the hum still persists. I am tending to agree with you that the DSP's are not isolated correctly or possible some units are faulty. Otherwise what would explain the hum dissappering when you switch to pure audio mode.

If you guys are still under your 30 day store purchase warranty trade it back in for a new unit.

I just spent some time checking the hum issue with the DSP's...

I don't have it, at full volume (+15), I hear zero sound (on all speakers)...

In this room, I don't even have my cable connection connected, I do have D* HD and DVD, both with HDMI and xbox via component...

That was the way it was with my old receiver no hum until I switched to the 705. I have only had it for less than a week so I have some time until my 30 day exchange runs out so I will wait to see if anybody else out there has any input. I hate to have to tear everything apart again

I took my 605 back today, and traded it in for the 705.

Looking forward to getting to play with it.

That was the way it was with my old receivr no hum until I switched to the 705. I have only had it for less than a week so I have some time until my 30 day exchange runs out so I will wait to see if anybody else out there has any input. I hate to have to tear everything apart again

I've done a little more checking (wanted to test conversion/pass through from component to HDMI using my Xbox (more below)...

I do have some slight (and very low) static, not hum, with the audio from the Xbox (Optical) starting at around -7 using the DSP's (not with Direct/PA), which I think would be common for most (I need to recheck when audio is through HDMI.... But, no hum as others of observed.. perhaps a ground issue or faulty receiver with those 705's... Just select your DVD player, use the player's onscreen setup menu and no disc in the player (assuming HDMI is being used for audio), the 705 should not say No Signal and allow you to compare the DSP modes and Direct/PA at those volume levels....


Before I get to my results with my Xbox test, I was not thinking when I wanted to do a quick A/B video comparison with the Xbox's component out (through the receiver and direct to the display)... with everything on, I pulled the component cables from the Xbox HD pack and simply placed the cable directly connected to the display back in... when I re-connected the component cable coming from the 705 back in to the HD pack, my display was in a sync loop.... no matter what input I used with the 705 (SAT, DVD or GAME)... Power cycling the display or 705 did not change this, I had to go back into the 705 setup (Input / Output Assign) and just exit. Most likely internal protection... I should have powered down the Xbox before swapping connections (and perhaps the 705 as well)....



HIDDEN MENU / RESOLUTION TEST

Xbox is connected to 705 via component, my 720p display connected to the 705 via HDMI/DVI. Original Xbox (pre-ordered), HD Pack, running XB Media Center hack.

At first, I felt the quality was not as good as when the Xbox is connected directly to the display. I don't use my Xbox much anymore so perhaps I was not remembering well. Now, I feel the quality is the same or very close.

[Hidden Menu]
Setting Resolution to Auto: 480p stays at 480p, 720p (XBMC) stays at 720p, 1080i (Enter Matrix) converts to 720p, all formatting correct.

Setting Resolution to 720p: 480p converts to 720p @ 4:3 (I'm not able to correct this with my display), 720p stays at 720, 1080i (Enter Matrix) converts to 720p and formatting for both is correct.



Next time I'll remember to power down things before swapping analog cables, but hopefully the receiver handled my slip... :eek: Can anyone comment on this (about these newer generations of a/v receivers handling these slips)? My last was a Denon AVR-5600 (which I just placed on eBay this week, I'm going to miss that sound)......



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On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the worst how bad is it that I have my HD-DVD player setting on top of the 705? I keep a small house fan setting beside the unit that I keep on low when ever I have the receiver so that I can get airflow to it.

Just curious if it was a good idea to take this off or if it would hurt the HD player or the receiver...

Thanks.

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the worst how bad is it that I have my HD-DVD player setting on top of the 705? I keep a small house fan setting beside the unit that I keep on low when ever I have the receiver so that I can get airflow to it.

Just curious if it was a good idea to take this off or if it would hurt the HD player or the receiver...

Thanks.

I would say a 9 with a 10 being if you had sealed off the louvers on the 705 first. Get it off of there for sure! You need at least 8" of clearance on top for it to breath.

I would say a 9 with a 10 being if you had sealed off the louvers on the 705 first. Get it off of there for sure! You need at least 8" of clearance on top for it to breath.

thanks. your right when I took it off after only setting for about an hour the A2 was pretty warm.

I think i'm going to pick up a fan that some people have been suggesting just to keep the 705 cool.

Ironically, the 705 has fans built-in. I wonder what they do? The top of mine gets way friggin hot to the touch.

Hey Uptown I like those decrotive "balls":confused: under your screen and on opposite sides of your center speaker. What are they called?


There called my balls, since I own them :D :rolleyes:

Na, just playin, the Orbs I got them as a gift 10 years ago. They look kool right. i looked on the bottom for you and it says Caithness Magic Lantern from Scotland. You can google it, maybe you can order them, who knows.

http://www.caithnessglass.co.uk/store/comersus_index.asp

I would say a 9 with a 10 being if you had sealed off the louvers on the 705 first. Get it off of there for sure! You need at least 8" of clearance on top for it to breath.

oh man im screwed I only got 1" clearance on top of mine.

Awesome link to that fan Turbe. Im going to order one, its much need for me since I only have 1" clearance

I also added some fans to help cool my home theater. Here is another option that's pretty cheap. I've posted details here (http://aroganworld.blogspot.com/2007/10/home-theater-upgrade.html) (sorry this is a bit of a repost from the sharp 64u thread but I thought some people here might find it helpful. I really don't mean to spam).

I bought everything from monoprice:
Enermax Marathon 120mm Fan (only 1000rpm. Very quiet).
USB to IDE cable with AC adapter. (to power the fans, all I'm using from this kit is the ac adapter. You should be able to power up to 10 fans from this one power supply)
Some molex splitters and extensions.

I stuck (using velcro dots) a 120mm dc van to the bottom air intake slits on the BDI. This shot is directly underneath where the receiver sits blowing air into the cabinet.
http://lh6.google.com/aroganworld/RwM98sg45UI/AAAAAAAAAZA/gzVbLPzjXW4/s800/IMG_5236.JPG

Now I'm thinking maybe I'll move this fan so it lies flat on top of the hot area near the back right and suck air out the top.
http://lh4.google.com/aroganworld/RwM5lMg45HI/AAAAAAAAAXY/D2-TtEhfaks/s800/IMG_5328.JPG

Heh since my original post I'm now up to 8 fans in the BDI cabinet and it's still VERY quiet. I think I'll add a 9th when I get my second 360.

TTT - getting antsy, want to buy

I tried this based on the posted link, but on checkout did not show up. Can someone PM me how they did it? I'm in a holding pattern on this unit due to CC's crazy pricing. Strange as it seems, getting a deal is worth much more than the time I spend getting it. Sure a lot of you can relate.

Ironically, the 705 has fans built-in. I wonder what they do? The top of mine gets way friggin hot to the touch.

mine too, so i bought a 7 dollar small fan from target and (moving)blowing some air. now it is cool to the touch of the hand. Now that i am not sucking the air out of the receiver, not sure what it is doing inside or how the hot air is coming out of the receiver. one thing for sure is with the small fan blowing, this thing is cool to the touch of the hand.

just to bring folks up to speed, i bought a bunch of cables from monoprice and now i am able to connect my subwoofer, audio from tv to receiver with OTA HD channels, connect my cd player to the receiver and listen to music thru the KEF speakers, ran audssey.

audssey gave same figures as woots and other guy. so woots did, i also changed the values back to 80hz, as i am also using similar speakers(a step down and 1000 dollars less) to woots KEF speakers.

I still have to connect dish and vcr, but i don't watch much of both, so not sure when i will get to it.

Hope fully i am done buying stuff until DEC,(BLUE-RAY??)

Thanks guys for helping me out with my setup!!

My first A/V setup sound great(touch wood)

I do have a question about speaker buzz/hum. I have a brand new KEF 3005 speaker set. When no input is selected on the receiver and the volume is turned up, I get a steady, uniform speaker hum on all speakers. The buzz is NOT affected by shaking the speaker wires. The buzz disappears when the volume is turned down very low.
Is this normal? I read the speaker buzz faq and many other articles and it seems everything I read addresses all buzz/hum as a problem.:eek:

+1 to those reporting speaker hum that is resolved by switching to Pure Audio.

I have perfectly silent speakers at max volume (no input) after switching to Pure Audio. Direct listening mode introduces a very slight noise, and then anything else generates the noticeable noise I reported a few days ago (above).

oh man im screwed I only got 1" clearance on top of mine.

Awesome link to that fan Turbe. Im going to order one, its much need for me since I only have 1" clearance

Let us know when how it works out for you when you get it... I'm curious to see how low your temp will go with such little clearance...

With just over 5" clearance, mine has been running around 104/105 all day today, yesterday it was warmer.... with that fan, I should be able to get 90 or less I would think...

+1 to those reporting speaker hum that is resolved by switching to Pure Audio.

I have perfectly silent speakers at max volume (no input) after switching to Pure Audio. Direct listening mode introduces a very slight noise, and then anything else generates the noticeable noise I reported a few days ago (above).
I just spent 30 min. on hold with Onkyo USA customer service. I just hung up because it is now 8:00 EST, and the recording kept reminding me that was the extent of their service hours. So I sent them an email about the speaker noise (except Pure Audio) issue. I'll report back if there are any updates.

1-800-229-1687 is their Product Support Department phone number, in case anyone else would like to report this problem.

Quick couple question guys , can this thing power a passive (no amp) subwoofer or does it need a powered subwoofer.

Also , as a canuck where is the best place to buy this monster? Online only?

Thanks in advance.

Let us know when how it works out for you when you get it... I'm curious to see how low your temp will go with such little clearance...

With just over 5" clearance, mine has been running around 104/105 all day today, yesterday it was warmer.... with that fan, I should be able to get 90 or less I would think...

I will. but now im thinkin about getting that lil fan at Target like that other dude did here. He said its cool to the touch now, that might be sufficient and I can save $25. What you think about that?

well i just got my 705 and a ps3 today all i can say is WOW what a step up from the trash i had before this. I am kind of embaraced to even say what i was comming from, KLH R5100, This thing hummed like crazy when you used the digital channel.

Anywho this thing rocks. to bad i have to wait another day or two for all my hdmi cables to get here from monoprice, anywho i am going to go play around some more.

I will. but now im thinkin about getting that lil fan at Target like that other dude did here. He said its cool to the touch now, that might be sufficient and I can save $25. What you think about that?


Well, try it, Target has a good return policy.. :)

My concern would be the direction of air flow, very critical in your case (1")... I still think you would be better off sucking the hot air and sending it to the sides..... that is the reason I like the cooler.... what's $25 compared to a $600 receiver.. :P

Welcome to the party Mavlow.

well i just got my 705 and a ps3 today all i can say is WOW what a step up from the trash i had before this. I am kind of embaraced to even say what i was comming from, KLH R5100, This thing hummed like crazy when you used the digital channel.

Anywho this thing rocks. to bad i have to wait another day or two for all my hdmi cables to get here from monoprice, anywho i am going to go play around some more.

My feelings exactly man.. the second you get this receiver hooked up and tweaked to how you like it ...and have a chance to sit back and bask in its glory you get a taste of what a "step forward" this is from where most of us have been before now.

For such a low priced receiver like this im astounded at how great this thing sounds. I have gotten a bit jaded now that I been owning this a lil while now, but not a day goes by that I don't just love kicking back and enjoyin a game or a movie or tv with this receiver cranked up. :D

Let us know when how it works out for you when you get it... I'm curious to see how low your temp will go with such little clearance...

With just over 5" clearance, mine has been running around 104/105 all day today, yesterday it was warmer.... with that fan, I should be able to get 90 or less I would think...

I have 2.5" clearance above my receiver and before my fan I was 120F degrees worst I saw on one day it was 125 degrees...after the 120mm fan blowing out the top air, I now stay 98-101 degrees, it sort of jumps back and forth in that temp range (stays 98 at normal listening volume even after many hours).

So count me in as the group with small top clearance above the receiver and let it be a testament that fans help our group of people.

hello to all fellow avs members...
first of all this thread rocks and i have been following it for a month now....

i just got my 705 yesterday.. though its still a full week before it gets out of the box(room not finished yet). this is my first ever reciever.......

cant wait to enjoy the wow feeling myself as others in this forum.........(it will be long week for sure :D)

i m here in india and i paid Rs43000 (us$1100) for the reciever..... well not as lucky as those who got that awesome cc price... ne ways no regrets and m very happy to be on board..........

one more thing.... i will shot my novice questions to the pros once i start installin it, so be ready Mrgribbles and Woots.....:D

rest later.....

Come on UPS man! My Ascend surrounds are delivering today so hopefully I can get those in the mix tonight and finally have 5.1. Another two surrounds will be coming in the next few weeks. Last night I pulled an AC outlet and coax into a closet in my room so I can hide everything in there. My projector will be on a dedicated outlet and wont have to share juice with my power hungry 705 and other components.

I just spent 30 min. on hold with Onkyo USA customer service. I just hung up because it is now 8:00 EST, and the recording kept reminding me that was the extent of their service hours. So I sent them an email about the speaker noise (except Pure Audio) issue. I'll report back if there are any updates.

1-800-229-1687 is their Product Support Department phone number, in case anyone else would like to report this problem.

As I reported earlier I am convinced that there is something wrong in the receiver because all I did was replace my existing receiver with the new one, all wiring exactly the same and the hum appeared but only in the subwoofer. I may return it to CC this weekend and try another one to see if the problem goes away. Let me know if you hear anything from Onkyo, but don't hold your breath.

Quick couple question guys , can this thing power a passive (no amp) subwoofer or does it need a powered subwoofer.

Also , as a canuck where is the best place to buy this monster? Online only?

Thanks in advance.

There are no speaker level outputs for sub woofer so your best bet would be to get a subwoofer amplifier and connect via RCA pre-out. Or get a powered sub. Subs love the juice, more so than most stand alone AVRs can supply. If you're upgrading from a HTIB type receiver, you could possibly use that receiver as an amp to continue to power the sub.

As I reported earlier I am convinced that there is something wrong in the receiver because all I did was replace my existing receiver with the new one, all wiring exactly the same and the hum appeared but only in the subwoofer. I may return it to CC this weekend and try another one to see if the problem goes away. Let me know if you hear anything from Onkyo, but don't hold your breath.

Sub hum is not uncommon and can usually be fixed with cables and/or cable routing. They really don't like proximity to AC power cords and other speaker wires. A simple audio RCA will work with a sub but shielded is better and in some cases better shielding. I don't have hum but I can induce by touching or moving the sub cable. Also, make sure that your LFE cut-off is as low as you can live with. A high number may induce hum. Try setting this to 80 or thereabouts.

Ironically, the 705 has fans built-in. I wonder what they do? The top of mine gets way friggin hot to the touch.

I believe it has to get really hot, somewhere above 150F or so for them to kick in. The 805 thread has some science on this. I think its more of a last ditch protective feature than a lets keep this unit around 120F feature. I've put tissue on the top of the unit (as opposed to on the coffee table :) ) to detect air flow and my fans have never come on. Go figger.

I would say a 9 with a 10 being if you had sealed off the louvers on the 705 first. Get it off of there for sure! You need at least 8" of clearance on top for it to breath.

I have a SD DVD player directly on top of mine and the temperature difference is less than 5 F in the 705. The DVD player is cookin though!! I don't think I'd stress my XA2 this way. Too many bucks to gamble.

Sub hum is not uncommon and can usually be fixed with cables and/or cable routing. They really don't like proximity to AC power cords and other speaker wires. A simple audio RCA will work with a sub but shielded is better and in some cases better shielding. I don't have hum but I can induce by touching or moving the sub cable. Also, make sure that your LFE cut-off is as low as you can live with. A high number may induce hum. Try setting this to 80 or thereabouts.
I have a shielded sub cable and my LFE cut-off is at 80. I am still struggling with the fact that #1 the hum goes away completely when you switch to pure audio or direct mode and #2 the hum was not there before the receiver swap using exact same cables and set-up.

I have a SD DVD player directly on top of mine and the temperature difference is less than 5 F in the 705. The DVD player is cookin though!! I don't think I'd stress my XA2 this way. Too many bucks to gamble.

I don't have enough components to have to worry about stacking them. Everything gets it's own shelf. Now, if I go dual format and buy a Blu Ray player then I might have a problem.

Well, try it, Target has a good return policy.. :)

My concern would be the direction of air flow, very critical in your case (1")... I still think you would be better off sucking the hot air and sending it to the sides..... that is the reason I like the cooler.... what's $25 compared to a $600 receiver.. :P

Yea your right. Im being cheap. Correction its a $704 receiver for me until i return it and use my AAA coupon this weekend then it will be $633. :D

Oh and I touched the top of my receiver last night after using it for about 5 hours and it felt like it was 200 degrees. I need fans badly. Will go to Target today and get that fan as a temporary solution. Anyone here live in NYC that know of any stores that sell fans that blow out air from the sides. No credit card here.

FYI: The Fast and Furious sounded amazing with 7.1 surounds. Surround sound galore.

I moved my back fan to sitting on top of the receiver sucking air out of the top back right corner. Temps went from 103F to now a max of 96F (using the hidden temp display).
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Just picked her up last night from CC for 550 brand new in box. Cant wait to set it up, I plugged it in with all the basic settings, and music sounds great, Got to fix surround up.

I did the Audyssey setup and it made my speakers sound like the volume was wayyy too low. So I turned the Audyssey off and manually set them up and it made a world of difference. Has anyone else here experienced the same thing?

As I reported earlier I am convinced that there is something wrong in the receiver because all I did was replace my existing receiver with the new one, all wiring exactly the same and the hum appeared but only in the subwoofer. I may return it to CC this weekend and try another one to see if the problem goes away. Let me know if you hear anything from Onkyo, but don't hold your breath.
What I'm hearing is from all the speakers, and I'd describe it more as noise than hum. It sounds almost like tuning into a non-existent radio station.

Just picked her up last night from CC for 550 brand new in box. Cant wait to set it up, I plugged it in with all the basic settings, and music sounds great, Got to fix surround up.

How did you get um down to $550? I got mine yesterday for 580 + tax... So it was around $620.

What I'm hearing is from all the speakers, and I'd describe it more as noise than hum. It sounds almost like tuning into a non-existent radio station.
Mine is definite hum/buzz and only in the subwoofer. My main speakers are almost dead silence unless I stick my ear right next to the speaker. Does your noise go away when you switch to pure audio mode or direct mode??

I did the Audyssey setup and it made my speakers sound like the volume was wayyy too low. So I turned the Audyssey off and manually set them up and it made a world of difference. Has anyone else here experienced the same thing?

Yea i must admit i raised my volume like 4 db on each setting, Audessy definately sets them to low. But it sets them close to what they should be and the distances are always correct. so it saves u a lot of time. Im curious what do you have your speakers set to?

yea if you could pm me how you got it for 550, thanks

does anyone know if i can get these fans locally instead of mail ordering them????

OK I'm about to purchase this receiver but I did have a pre-purchase question. I see a couple threads back that some people were complaining about the quality of the *video* over HDMI, and I didnt see the issue get resolved yet. Some people were saying that the quality of plugging their HDMI source directly into the TV was much better than going through the 705. Can anyone comment on this?

Thanks in advance!
Shmenge

Edit- Go figure, right as I'm about to order this thing Onkyo announces the HT-SP908 and HT-SP904 home theater in a box systems.... can't see which receiver the 908 setup uses though.

In my mind there is a limited number of reasons that could cause your subwoofer to hum.

1. Running poorly shielded sub cable parralel with power cables (instead of perpendicular)
2. Earth Loop on the sub
3. Failed amplifier in the sub
4. Something Failed inside the receiver.

I would attack this situation in that order before you return or wait to return your receiver.
(I miss any other possibilities guys?)
The only other time I have heard subs hum loudly is from microphone feedback on live speaker systems. Unless you have some kind of freaky auto leveling, real time -microphone level sampling sub woofer (which I never heard of) then this cant be one of the reasons.

Check list to isolate the problem: (arranged from easiest to check to hardest)

1. Check to make sure your sub cable isn't running parallel to power cables always run then perpendicular.

2.Test the earth loop, unplug everything on that electrical circuit except for receiver and sub and see if you still get a hum (i mean turn off everything even lamps, overhead lights, and fans)... switch their power sockets around (same socket different socket, everything) Use 2 bulky extension cords (or power strips) to make life easier to test on different sockets... the best test is put receiver one a separate outlet with its own circuit breaker and sub on another different outlet with a different breaker.

3. Some of you said you still own an old amplifier. Few of you said when you plug it into that amp everything works fine. This definitely says its not the sub amp if you hear no hum on another amp. Don't assume it cant be number one though cause you had another amp plugged in same way and it didn't cause earth loop issues.

4.Obviously if all of the above are not the problem and the hum persists no matter what.. you must have a defective receiver. My sub and many others here do not hum at all. Being force to compromise and stay in Pure Audio mode forever is an unreasonable compromise, you'll be missing out on all the great DSP's this machine has.... go return it while you still can.

Edit- Go figure, right as I'm about to order this thing Onkyo announces the HT-SP908 and HT-SP904 home theater in a box systems.... can't see which receiver the 908 setup uses though.

its the 605

Ahh, thanks.

(Holy crap, they announced Street Fighter IV?)

Ahh, thanks.

(Holy crap, they announced Street Fighter IV?)

lol not sure why you posted that here (its way off topic)... but thx anyway, I love SF! :)

I am a very old school hardcore Street Fighter fan use to play it back in high school everyday after school. (actually when I 1st graduated from animation school, I made a demo reel with Street Fighter characters I modeled and animated in 3D).. Every now and again I used to play SF with a few people that toured around the country competing in those SF tournaments (met them in art college). A couple of them used to come in 1st at those tournaments. I knew I was playing against some of the best when I played them (I actually beat them on occasions :D). I used to think I was a "fan" of SF until I met those guys.. lol... they were truly "hardcore". They are those perfect endless combination kind of players, if you get caught open once game is over, you wont hit anything again.

Good times (old school)... Marvel Vs Capcom II is still my hands down last favorite 2d fighting game.. I hope Street Fighter 4 inst a rumor yet again. Its been over a decade since that genre really shined.

Anyway... Back to the topic.

OK I'm about to purchase this receiver but I did have a pre-purchase question. I see a couple threads back that some people were complaining about the quality of the *video* over HDMI, and I didnt see the issue get resolved yet. Some people were saying that the quality of plugging their HDMI source directly into the TV was much better than going through the 705. Can anyone comment on this?

Thanks in advance!
Shmenge

Edit- Go figure, right as I'm about to order this thing Onkyo announces the HT-SP908 and HT-SP904 home theater in a box systems.... can't see which receiver the 908 setup uses though.

I don't see any difference in video quality when run thru the receiver on hdmi, compared to plugging the HDMI source(in my case philipds dvd player) directly into the TV .

I did the Audyssey setup and it made my speakers sound like the volume was wayyy too low. So I turned the Audyssey off and manually set them up and it made a world of difference. Has anyone else here experienced the same thing?Yes. I got it to sound way better by manually configuring the speaker and EQ settings. IMO, Audessey is a waste of time and money. It's smoke and mirrors. A gimmick.

Why do you think the better AVR's have "pure" and "direct" options? It's to strip all BS like that from the signal.

In my mind there is a limited number of options that could cause your subwoofer to hum.

1. Running poorly shielded sub cable parralel with power cables (instead of perpendicular)
2. Earth Loop on the sub
3. Failed amplifier in the sub
4. Something Failed inside the receiver.

I would attack this situation in that order before you return or wait to return your receiver.
(I miss any other possibilities guys?)
The only other time I have heard subs hum loudly is from microphone feedback on live speaker systems. Unless you have some kind of freaky auto leveling, real time -microphone level sampling sub woofer (which I never heard of) then this cant be one of the reasons.

Check list to isolate the problem: (arranged from easiest to check to hardest)

1. Check to make sure your sub cable isn't running parallel to power cables always run then perpendicular.

2.Test the earth loop, unplug everything on that electrical circuit except for receiver and sub and see if you still get a hum (i mean turn off everything even lamps, overhead lights, and fans)... switch their power sockets around (same socket different socket, everything) Use 2 bulky extension cords (or power strips) to make life easier to test on different sockets... the best test is put receiver one a separate outlet with its own circuit breaker and sub on another different outlet with a different breaker.

3. Some of you said you still own an old amplifier. Few of you said when you plug it into that amp everything works fine. This definitely says its not the sub amp if you hear no hum on another amp. Don't assume it cant be number one though cause you had another amp plugged in same way and it didn't cause earth loop issues.

4.Obviously if all of the above are not the problem and the hum persists no matter what.. you must have a defective receiver. My sub and many others here do not hum at all. Being force to compromise and stay in Pure Audio mode forever is an unreasonable compromise, you'll be missing out on all the great DSP's this machine has.... go return it while you still can.Or....there is something in the processors of the 705 causing it.

I never noticed any hums or buzzes before, because there was always signal being run through, and I haven't really cranked it. But, I decided to check my system, anyway.

I set it to a source that had nothing connected to the input, and turned it up to 75 (normalized). Sure enough, I had a buzz coming from all speakers, and a hum from the sub. Switching to Direct mode reduced it substantially. Switching to Pure mode removed it altogether.

I suggest everybody try this, if you get a chance. I have a feeling that a lot of you will notice it.

What this means is, as some have already theorized, there is a problem with the processing subsystem in the 705. Hum/buzz when it's engaged in the signal path. Silence when it is disengaged. Simple.

The fact that the noise is affected by the Pure/Direct modes automatically negates any possibility that the noise is due to external grounding or sub amp problems.

Thanks csrini1! Just wanted to make sure :)

But yeah SF4 was announced, the reason I mentioned it here is because I'm an arcade collector (like, the stand up machines you stick quarters into) and Street Fighter is my favorite game of all time. It's not a rumor, check out the trailer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZP3WYiOncI :D

Edit- but yeah as a side note how did that guy get it for $550? I'm about to purchase it now so if I can save tax...

Woots, I think the posters with the problem have a very valid discussion point and that being that the hum disappears in Pure mode. I would tend to agree with them as this indicates to me a possible DSP issue, as pure takes the DSPs (and the video circuitry) out of the loop, or some filter leakage along the path, or some video thing. I don't have it but I'll try to duplicate it a bit later on this week.

Or....there is something in the processors of the 705 causing it.

I never noticed any hums or buzzes before, because there was always signal being run through, and I haven't really cranked it. But, I decided to check my system, anyway.

I set it to a source that had nothing connected to the input, and turned it up to 75 (normalized). Sure enough, I had a buzz coming from all speakers, and a hum from the sub. Switching to Direct mode reduced it substantially. Switching to Pure mode removed it altogether.

I suggest everybody try this, if you get a chance. I have a feeling that a lot of you will notice it.

What this means is, as some have already theorized, there is a problem with the processing subsystem in the 705. Hum/buzz when it's engaged in the signal path. Silence when it is disengaged. Simple.

The fact that the noise is affected by the Pure/Direct modes automatically negates any possibility that the noise is due to external grounding or sub amp problems.
This is the same conclusion that I posted previously. I don't understand the logic that it is something external when you put it in pure audio mode and the hum/buzz goes away. My problem is exactly the same as yours with the exception of my hum/buzz is in my subwoofer only. I wonder if it is truly a defect that shows up only on a small number of receivers. I would like to get feedback from anyone who has had this problem and it was solved by exchanging the unit for a new one. Also I would suggest turning it up and listening carefully because depending on what you are listening to you can sometimes hear the hum/buzz in the background.

Yes. I got it to sound way better by manually configuring the speaker and EQ settings. IMO, Audessey is a waste of time and money. It's smoke and mirrors. A gimmick.

Why do you think the better AVR's have "pure" and "direct" options? It's to strip all BS like that from the signal.
I don't think I'd call Audyssey a gimmick or "smoke and mirrors". It does what it is designed to do - equalize your room for a known standard (i.e. flat response or in the case of the Audyssey mode curve, flat response with a rolloff of highs akin to the THX rolloff).

Sure, you can manually equalize using the 7-band EQ... but I do think it bears mentioning that Audyssey does way more than just 7 points per speaker when it equalizes. It actually analyzes and adjusts HUNDREDS of points (which is why it takes so long to calculate) to create an inverse filter to flatten response. It also equalizes in the time domain, which is why you can't get an on-screen representation of what adjustments it is making - there would be too much data to display (which is why MultEQ XT Pro uses a PC interface for analysis and display). What it does is far more complex than say a parametric EQ, where you'd have basic adjustments for center frequency, Q, level, etc.

Not that I'm saying everyone should like the end result of Audyssey MultEQ XT in their room, because there are too many variables. You might be accustomed to a sound that doesn't match up to ideal flat response with lower distortion. You might listen to your system at levels more suited to using a house curve on the subwoofer. And per the garbage-in-garbage-out rule, your room acoustics may be so far out of whack without room treatment that Audyssey can't EQ around it.

My point here is that the technology is absolutely sound. The people behind the technology are some of the biggest names in audio, including Tomlinson Holman (the TH in THX). Don't discount it just because it didn't quite work out in your room. In my room, I'm getting some of the best sound I've eeked out of my humble Polk/SVS setup... but then, I had done a lot of tweaking and room treatment beforehand.

This is the same conclusion that I posted previously. I don't understand the logic that it is something external when you put it in pure audio mode and the hum/buzz goes away. My problem is exactly the same as yours with the exception of my hum/buzz is in my subwoofer only. I wonder if it is truly a defect that shows up only on a small number of receivers. I would like to get feedback from anyone who has had this problem and it was solved by exchanging the unit for a new one. Also I would suggest turning it up and listening carefully because depending on what you are listening to you can sometimes hear the hum/buzz in the background.

Just out of curiosity, is there a manufactures date anywhere on the receiver? I'd like to see if that has anything to do with it.

OK I'm about to purchase this receiver but I did have a pre-purchase question. I see a couple threads back that some people were complaining about the quality of the *video* over HDMI, and I didnt see the issue get resolved yet. Some people were saying that the quality of plugging their HDMI source directly into the TV was much better than going through the 705. Can anyone comment on this?

I think it is the same.. But, I only have a 720p display.... can someone comment on this who has a 1080p display and blu-ray/hd-dvd (ps3 etc.)....?

Ahh, thanks.

(Holy crap, they announced Street Fighter IV?)


Yes, I played the free demo on xbox live last night.

Or....there is something in the processors of the 705 causing it.

I never noticed any hums or buzzes before, because there was always signal being run through, and I haven't really cranked it. But, I decided to check my system, anyway.

I set it to a source that had nothing connected to the input, and turned it up to 75 (normalized). Sure enough, I had a buzz coming from all speakers, and a hum from the sub. Switching to Direct mode reduced it substantially. Switching to Pure mode removed it altogether.

I suggest everybody try this, if you get a chance. I have a feeling that a lot of you will notice it.

What this means is, as some have already theorized, there is a problem with the processing subsystem in the 705. Hum/buzz when it's engaged in the signal path. Silence when it is disengaged. Simple.

The fact that the noise is affected by the Pure/Direct modes automatically negates any possibility that the noise is due to external grounding or sub amp problems.

I can't remember if I experienced this with my Denon 5600 ('noise' at high volume, no input with processing). I may have to set it up again and check before I ship it...

Anyways, is it enough for you to return it and get something different.. ?

Yes. I got it to sound way better by manually configuring the speaker and EQ settings. IMO, Audessey is a waste of time and money. It's smoke and mirrors. A gimmick.

Why do you think the better AVR's have "pure" and "direct" options? It's to strip all BS like that from the signal.

Ok, so question. If its a waste of time and money should I be in the +db rather then the Audessy's -db ???? I already increase the surrounds 4db and the center like 2db. Should I raise it more??? I have DefTech Promonitors 1000 and 800 for surrounds and ProCenter 2000. Thanks.

Ok, so question. If its a waste of time and money should I be in the +db rather then the Audessy's -db ???? I already increase the surrounds 4db and the center like 2db. Should I raise it more??? I have DefTech Promonitors 1000 and 800 for surrounds and ProCenter 2000. Thanks.I would start with everything 0, at least.

I spent time again and here is what I found.

Selected Input with nothing assigned to it (of course no physical cable attached) - I selected VCR/DVR and AUX inputs:

Starting at -10 I do hear the the noise using the DSP's, with PA, it goes away around +11 volume except with the AUX input, I can hear 'noise' starting around +3 for both DSP modes and PA.

Selected DVD - assigned to HDMI 2 (audio via HDMI) and DVD player connected but powered down:

I do not hear the noise with the DSP's, even at +15 volume. NOTE: The 705 will show a 'No Signal' Message.

Selected DVD - assigned to HDMI 2 (audio via HDMI) and DVD player connected and powered on, no disc in player (it's just showing the Pioneer Logo):

I do not hear the noise with the DSP's, even at +15 volume. NOTE: The 705 should not show a 'No Signal' Message.


It appears to only happen on inputs where nothing is assigned or physically connected.

Can others please duplicate this test and post the results..

I don't think I'd call Audyssey a gimmick or "smoke and mirrors". It does what it is designed to do - equalize your room for a known standard (i.e. flat response or in the case of the Audyssey mode curve, flat response with a rolloff of highs akin to the THX rolloff).

Sure, you can manually equalize using the 7-band EQ... but I do think it bears mentioning that Audyssey does way more than just 7 points per speaker when it equalizes. It actually analyzes and adjusts HUNDREDS of points (which is why it takes so long to calculate) to create an inverse filter to flatten response. It also equalizes in the time domain, which is why you can't get an on-screen representation of what adjustments it is making - there would be too much data to display (which is why MultEQ XT Pro uses a PC interface for analysis and display). What it does is far more complex than say a parametric EQ, where you'd have basic adjustments for center frequency, Q, level, etc.

Not that I'm saying everyone should like the end result of Audyssey MultEQ XT in their room, because there are too many variables. You might be accustomed to a sound that doesn't match up to ideal flat response with lower distortion. You might listen to your system at levels more suited to using a house curve on the subwoofer. And per the garbage-in-garbage-out rule, your room acoustics may be so far out of whack without room treatment that Audyssey can't EQ around it.

My point here is that the technology is absolutely sound. The people behind the technology are some of the biggest names in audio, including Tomlinson Holman (the TH in THX). Don't discount it just because it didn't quite work out in your room. In my room, I'm getting some of the best sound I've eeked out of my humble Polk/SVS setup... but then, I had done a lot of tweaking and room treatment beforehand.And, after all that, the final result is a psychoacoustic gimmick that tricks you into thinking it sounds great. It is not unlike the way the TV manufacturers F with the picture to make them look "good" in the store. But, we all know that actually looks like crap, and we change those settings when we get home. Some people even spend big bucks for a pro calibration.

Yet, so many seem to accept the whiz-bang Audessey, or other AVR processing gimmicks, without question.

Me, I prefer good components, with as little processing as possible. In fact, I usually run in Direct mode. (I like the pretty lights and display, so I don't use Pure very often.)

Just say no to Audessey.

Oh, and BTW, there is nothing "out of whack" about my environment, and I'm not putting "garbage in". Your "Emperor's New Clothes" argument that it is my fault I can't see his flowing robes is BS. The guy is naked. Period.

Hello all,

I just purchased my 705 yesterday and spent last night hooking it up. I am having one problem and wondering if anyone else had the same problem. I have Comcast HD cable with a Motorola STB with DVI out (no HDMI). I connected the STB to the 705 with a DVI to HDMI cable and connected the 705 to my TV with an HDMI cable. Unfortunately the video does not work properly. Video shows up for approximately 2 seconds and then the screen goes black. The sound works fine (the STB is connected to the 705 via optical cable for sound). Also, when I hook the DVI/HDMI cable directly to the TV (bypassing the 705) the video works fine. When I use component cables to connect the STB to the 705 it works fine as well.

Has anyone else had this problem? If so is there a way to fix it? Is it possible that the video signal cannot be passed through the the 705 bu using the DVI/HDMI cable?

Thanks for any help.

Ok, so question. If its a waste of time and money should I be in the +db rather then the Audessy's -db ???? I already increase the surrounds 4db and the center like 2db. Should I raise it more??? I have DefTech Promonitors 1000 and 800 for surrounds and ProCenter 2000. Thanks.

Audyssey is not a waste of time, and no you shouldn't be worried about the numbers being in the negative. The 705's test tones play back at -30dB from reference, meaning they should show on a SPL meter as 75dB. However, because different speakers are more efficient than others, room sizes vary, etc., the channel trims may be in the negative or they may be in the positive to reach the goal of 75dB. You're not going to increase overall response by bumping up the channel trims - you're just increasing the number on the global volume control for the same exact level (and you aren't increasing maximum clean output of the receiver in any way).

If you don't want to trust Audyssey, buy yourself a SPL Meter from Radio Shack (about $35) and use it with the receiver's test tones to set each speaker so it reads 75dB, regardless of whether the channel trim reads in the negative. Doing this will mean that when you reach 0 on the volume control, you are at reference playback level (meaning each channel can produce 105dB, and 115dB from the subwoofer). In my experience, Audyssey tends to set all channels about 2dB lower than reference... However, all this means is that your volume control would have to read +2 instead of 0 to reach reference level. It doesn't change the response of the speakers themselves at all. If you're using the numerical reading of the volume control (i.e. 70, 80, 90, etc.), it doesn't matter if you maintain the 75dB reading of the test tones... All that matters is that each channel reads at the same level on the SPL meter.

The absolute volume control is just that - it gives you an absolute reading of the global channel dB level compared to reference level. The numerical volume control, on the other hand, is algorithmic... meaning that going from 20-30 won't get you the same global increase in volume as going from 30-40. The higher the numbers get, the greater the increase per number. This is why people often get hung up on "Oh, it's not that loud and I have it at like 70!" 70 doesn't mean 70% of maximum in this case.

hmmmm thats an interesting question for me as well since i also have a comcast hd box with only dvi out

hmmmm thats an interesting question for me as well since i also have a comcast hd box with only dvi out

Comcast would swap that out for a newer one.... well, if they won't, don't you have a problem with it? :D

Comcast claims the only box they have with an HDMI out connection is the one that has a built in DVR which I do not want.:mad:

I can't remember if I experienced this with my Denon 5600 ('noise' at high volume, no input with processing). I may have to set it up again and check before I ship it...

Anyways, is it enough for you to return it and get something different.. ?
Just to clarify. This is not a high volume, no input problem. This problem exists at normal listening levels and can also be heard with an input. The no input is just a way to test easily if the hum is there or not.

And, after all that, the final result is a psychoacoustic gimmick that tricks you into thinking it sounds great. It is not unlike the way the TV manufacturers F with the picture to make them look "good" in the store. But, we all know that actually looks like crap, and we change those settings when we get home. Some people even spend big bucks for a pro calibration.

Yet, so many seem to accept the whiz-bang Audessey, or other AVR processing gimmicks, without question.

Me, I prefer good components, with as little processing as possible. In fact, I usually run in Direct mode. (I like the pretty lights and display, so I don't use Pure very often.)

Just say no to Audessey.

Oh, and BTW, there is nothing "out of whack" about my environment, and I'm not putting "garbage in". Your "Emperor's New Clothes" argument that it is my fault I can't see his flowing robes is BS. The guy is naked. Period.
It's not a psychoacoustic gimmick... It's a simple mathematical and acoustic fact. To flatten a peak, you apply a filter directly opposing it. Audyssey reads peaks and creates a mathematical inverse to flatten them out, using hundreds of precise filters. Now, you can argue against equalization on the whole... but Audyssey is the most precise equalization that I know of at the moment, and to refer to digital equalization with hundreds of points and mathematically calculated filters as a "psychoacoustic gimmick" is just ridiculous.

It isn't trying to "trick" you into thinking it sounds great. It's trying to achieve known references for flat response. You know what? You might not like the way flat response sounds. That's the subjective side of audio. Equalization for flat response, however, is completely objective. We'll use your TV analogy for a second: Yes, showroom settings and default settings are almost always jacked up to make a picture subjectively better... but with video, there is a known reference (the NTSC standard and 6500k color temperature). You can calibrate to reference with your display to reach the ideal objective setting to match the calibrated monitors that were used in the creation of the content... but you may still not subjectively prefer those settings, even though they're objectively correct. When I had my RPTV ISF-calibrated, it took several days of getting used to the new more accurate reproduction instead of the bright picture I was used to... but over time, I realized there was detail there that was obscured by my eyeballed settings.

Likewise, audio has certain references, though you certainly can't reproduce the original acoustics of the mixing environment since there's too much variation. What you can do, however, is strive for accurate reproduction, which is what Audyssey is designed to achieve. If it were aiming for any kind of trickery, it would be creating curves with emphasis in certain frequency ranges to trick you into thinking it sounds better. It doesn't do that - it merely aims to correct room-induced frequency peaks/nulls for flat response.

Now, turning off Audyssey's filters will definitely make the sound immediately louder and possibly subjectively "better". This is because those peaks that were being cancelled by Audyssey's inverse filters are now back. The only way to acoustically reduce those peaks would be to do serious room treatment. Likewise, the overall system will sound louder since there will be more acoustic energy than the Audyssey equalized setting. And then, even with Audyssey correction, your individual room may need treatments like bass traps or acoustic panels to handle reflections that muddy the sound. Hence the reason I said "garbage in, garbage out".

I think we can just agree to disagree, since you yourself state that you prefer as little processing as possible. That's your subjective preference, and may be the preference of others. But regardless of your preference, that doesn't mean Audyssey is somehow trickery, as the acoustic theory behind it is 100% sound. It just means that you personally don't like it. That doesn't mean that others should discount it out of hand as you propose. Naturally, it isn't going to magically correct for say... having your center channel stuck in an entertainment center or having your left main next to a closed-sided shelf while your right main is near open shelving.

Bottom line to others: Give Audyssey a shot and give yourself a few days of critical listening to adjust to the way it sounds before making a decision. Also, read earlier in the thread for tips on proper placement and use of the mic during Audyssey calibration, as it very much is a "garbage in, garbage out" situation (as some who have tried to use it without a tripod have learned). You might ultimately not like the effect it has on the sound. Then again, you might give it a chance and hear an incredible improvement as I did. You've spent the money... Take the brief amount of time to take advantage of what the 705 has to offer. And no matter what, the final test is always your own preferences, so tweak away!

Comcast claims the only box they have with an HDMI out connection is the one that has a built in DVR which I do not want.:mad:

I have Comcast and they issue Motorola boxes. Both of mine are the new "DCH" boxes and both have HDMI out. One is a High Def DVR (DCH-3416) and the other is just a High Def Box (DCH-3200).

Call and ask if they have the DCH-3200 in your area if your Comcast uses Motorola boxes.

By the way, the DVR (DCH-3416) has worked flawlessly with my Onkyo TX-SR705.

Just to clarify. This is not a high volume, no input problem. This problem exists at normal listening levels and can also be heard with an input. The no input is just a way to test easily if the hum is there or not.

I should of worded that better, I meant faint sound at below reference level (but I want to test all the way to max volume)...

Can you test your 705 they way I did in the above post (#2412) and post your results?

It's not a psychoacoustic gimmick... It's a simple mathematical and acoustic fact. To flatten a peak, you apply a filter directly opposing it. Audyssey reads peaks and creates a mathematical inverse to flatten them out, using hundreds of precise filters. Now, you can argue against equalization on the whole... but Audyssey is the most precise equalization that I know of at the moment, and to refer to digital equalization with hundreds of points and mathematically calculated filters as a "psychoacoustic gimmick" is just ridiculous.

It isn't trying to "trick" you into thinking it sounds great. It's trying to achieve known references for flat response. You know what? You might not like the way flat response sounds. That's the subjective side of audio. Equalization for flat response, however, is completely objective. We'll use your TV analogy for a second: Yes, showroom settings and default settings are almost always jacked up to make a picture subjectively better... but with video, there is a known reference (the NTSC standard and 6500k color temperature). You can calibrate to reference with your display to reach the ideal objective setting to match the calibrated monitors that were used in the creation of the content... but you may still not subjectively prefer those settings, even though they're objectively correct. When I had my RPTV ISF-calibrated, it took several days of getting used to the new more accurate reproduction instead of the bright picture I was used to... but over time, I realized there was detail there that was obscured by my eyeballed settings.

Likewise, audio has certain references, though you certainly can't reproduce the original acoustics of the mixing environment since there's too much variation. What you can do, however, is strive for accurate reproduction, which is what Audyssey is designed to achieve. If it were aiming for any kind of trickery, it would be creating curves with emphasis in certain frequency ranges to trick you into thinking it sounds better. It doesn't do that - it merely aims to correct room-induced frequency peaks/nulls for flat response.

Now, turning off Audyssey's filters will definitely make the sound immediately louder and possibly subjectively "better". This is because those peaks that were being cancelled by Audyssey's inverse filters are now back. The only way to acoustically reduce those peaks would be to do serious room treatment. Likewise, the overall system will sound louder since there will be more acoustic energy than the Audyssey equalized setting. And then, even with Audyssey correction, your individual room may need treatments like bass traps or acoustic panels to handle reflections that muddy the sound. Hence the reason I said "garbage in, garbage out".

I think we can just agree to disagree, since you yourself state that you prefer as little processing as possible. That's your subjective preference, and may be the preference of others. But regardless of your preference, that doesn't mean Audyssey is somehow trickery, as the acoustic theory behind it is 100% sound. It just means that you personally don't like it. That doesn't mean that others should discount it out of hand as you propose. Naturally, it isn't going to magically correct for say... having your center channel stuck in an entertainment center or having your left main next to a closed-sided shelf while your right main is near open shelving.

Bottom line to others: Give Audyssey a shot and give yourself a few days of critical listening to adjust to the way it sounds before making a decision. Also, read earlier in the thread for tips on proper placement and use of the mic during Audyssey calibration, as it very much is a "garbage in, garbage out" situation (as some who have tried to use it without a tripod have learned). You might ultimately not like the effect it has on the sound. Then again, you might give it a chance and hear an incredible improvement as I did. You've spent the money... Take the brief amount of time to take advantage of what the 705 has to offer. And no matter what, the final test is always your own preferences, so tweak away!

Excellent post as always Jeremy. You could sell snow to a snowman I think! I mean that in a good way too! :D

Ohio Lefty,

THanks for th einput.

Have you tried the 705 with the DCH 3200?

It's not a psychoacoustic gimmick... It's a simple mathematical and acoustic fact. To flatten a peak, you apply a filter directly opposing it. Audyssey reads peaks and creates a mathematical inverse to flatten them out, using hundreds of precise filters. Now, you can argue against equalization on the whole... but Audyssey is the most precise equalization that I know of at the moment, and to refer to digital equalization with hundreds of points and mathematically calculated filters as a "psychoacoustic gimmick" is just ridiculous.

It isn't trying to "trick" you into thinking it sounds great. It's trying to achieve known references for flat response. You know what? You might not like the way flat response sounds. That's the subjective side of audio. Equalization for flat response, however, is completely objective. We'll use your TV analogy for a second: Yes, showroom settings and default settings are almost always jacked up to make a picture subjectively better... but with video, there is a known reference (the NTSC standard and 6500k color temperature). You can calibrate to reference with your display to reach the ideal objective setting to match the calibrated monitors that were used in the creation of the content... but you may still not subjectively prefer those settings, even though they're objectively correct. When I had my RPTV ISF-calibrated, it took several days of getting used to the new more accurate reproduction instead of the bright picture I was used to... but over time, I realized there was detail there that was obscured by my eyeballed settings.

Likewise, audio has certain references, though you certainly can't reproduce the original acoustics of the mixing environment since there's too much variation. What you can do, however, is strive for accurate reproduction, which is what Audyssey is designed to achieve. If it were aiming for any kind of trickery, it would be creating curves with emphasis in certain frequency ranges to trick you into thinking it sounds better. It doesn't do that - it merely aims to correct room-induced frequency peaks/nulls for flat response.

Now, turning off Audyssey's filters will definitely make the sound immediately louder and possibly subjectively "better". This is because those peaks that were being cancelled by Audyssey's inverse filters are now back. The only way to acoustically reduce those peaks would be to do serious room treatment. Likewise, the overall system will sound louder since there will be more acoustic energy than the Audyssey equalized setting. And then, even with Audyssey correction, your individual room may need treatments like bass traps or acoustic panels to handle reflections that muddy the sound. Hence the reason I said "garbage in, garbage out".

I think we can just agree to disagree, since you yourself state that you prefer as little processing as possible. That's your subjective preference, and may be the preference of others. But regardless of your preference, that doesn't mean Audyssey is somehow trickery, as the acoustic theory behind it is 100% sound. It just means that you personally don't like it. That doesn't mean that others should discount it out of hand as you propose. Naturally, it isn't going to magically correct for say... having your center channel stuck in an entertainment center or having your left main next to a closed-sided shelf while your right main is near open shelving.

Bottom line to others: Give Audyssey a shot and give yourself a few days of critical listening to adjust to the way it sounds before making a decision. Also, read earlier in the thread for tips on proper placement and use of the mic during Audyssey calibration, as it very much is a "garbage in, garbage out" situation (as some who have tried to use it without a tripod have learned). You might ultimately not like the effect it has on the sound. Then again, you might give it a chance and hear an incredible improvement as I did. You've spent the money... Take the brief amount of time to take advantage of what the 705 has to offer. And no matter what, the final test is always your own preferences, so tweak away!Uh huh. The "mathematical and acoustical fact" is what it uses to produce the gimmick. It is an illusion of better sound. It fools people the way varying phase can produce more spatiality, or changing EQ can make dialog more pronounced.

Audessey doesn't remove peaks. At least not the way it is implemented in the 705. In fact, it made my system far too middy. (Although, I suppose one could argue that it removed all of the low and high peaks, leaving the nasally mids alone.) Or, if it does, it does it poorly.

Your suggestion of setting levels manually is a good one. And, the 75dB reference is a good starting point. Although, the particular balance between F, C, S, and SB is subjective, and should be adjusted according to personal taste based on actual program material. But, the 75dB is a decent starting point.

Personally, I just start with the individual channel levels all at 0 on the receiver, and go from there using my organic auditory measuring devices, which is what I suggest Uptown does. I also suggest he starts with Audessey turned OFF in the EQ setting menu.

I am by no means trashing Audyssey. I was just wondering what other peoples experiences were. My father and brother both have the 705 and swear by Audyssey. It just did not work out for me. I think it may be my room setup. I have not tried it with a tripod yet, so I'll be looking to do that in the near future. Thanks for all the input.

On a non assigned input, no detectable hum at my normal listening levels (circa -20 dB) from the sub or speakers. Slowly cranked up to +8 a barely detectable electronic hum from the fronts but not the sub. I didn't hear it until the air conditioner kicked off. At max, I could hear it from the speakers but still not the sub. Still very faint. SO, I have an issue, I'll be taking it up with Onkyo and to follow Transcends lead, all who experience it should. I fear its pervasive enough in the group to warrant attention. Thanks to all for bringing it up.

Was your sub actually powered on? Or, do you use its "auto-on" feature? If the latter, it could explain why there was no hum. It may have been off. And, the power drain from the AC could have switched it on. (Auto-on systems are often fooled by power fluctuations.)

I have Comcast and they issue Motorola boxes. Both of mine are the new "DCH" boxes and both have HDMI out. One is a High Def DVR (DCH-3416) and the other is just a High Def Box (DCH-3200).

Call and ask if they have the DCH-3200 in your area if your Comcast uses Motorola boxes.

By the way, the DVR (DCH-3416) has worked flawlessly with my Onkyo TX-SR705.

I have a ~2 year old Motorola box thru my Charter service. It is HD only (no DVR or anything) and it only has component and DVI out. I bought a DVI/HDMI cable to hook it up to my 705. After hooking it up and turning everything on, a display popped up saying that it couldnt pass HD that way (or something along those lines). So I then hooked it up with component cables. Ive thought about seeing if Charter has an updated box, but I may be switching to DirecTV so im gonna hold off for now.

On a non assigned input, no detectable hum at my normal listening levels (circa -20 dB) from the sub or speakers. Slowly cranked up to +8 a barely detectable electronic hum from the fronts but not the sub. I didn't hear it until the air conditioner kicked off. At max, I could hear it from the speakers but still not the sub. Still very faint. SO, I have an issue, I'll be taking it up with Onkyo and to follow Transcends lead, all who experience it should. I fear its pervasive enough in the group to warrant attention. Thanks to all for bringing it up.

Please try this on a Assigned and Physically Connected Input (from your DVD player, let us know the connection type for both video/audio) with the player's power off and on. Do you hear anything? IMO, that is what matters.

Selecting a non-assigned and free (not physically connected) input and hearing a little noise may be due to the receiver's design...

Hi guys, I just got my 705 today and have set it up, except for Audissey.

I have a problem concering the video conversion from component to hdmi. I have a Topfield digital setup box connected with a component and optical cables to the 705, and the 705 then converts the signal into hdmi, which is connected to my HD70.

The problem is that every time I change channel, the program info in the bottom of the picture gets messed up, and after a while, the screen is divided vertically from the middle! Also, the projector loses the signal continuously. Watching TV is impossible... sound is ok, though.

Anyone have similar problems? The box is fine when connected straight to the projector. Also, no problem with my older receiver (denon 1906), which just put the signal out from the component out.

Even now, the screen is light gray:(

I know, I should get a box with hdmi, but they're so darn expensive (~500€).

Help...?

The only problem I have is this- my cable box is hooked up to my 705 via component in/HDMI out. I get a faint 1/4" faded white line at the top of the picture that gets worse the more black there is on the screen. My PS3 is HDMI in/out and the picture on it is perfect. Anyone else seen that problem?

BTW, my 360 was hooked up the same way as my cable box for a while, and it was the same way (white line). So I know its not the cable box doing it.

There are two ways that I have tested for the hum in my system using assigned outputs and both have produced a noticable hum at normal listening levels that go away when you switch to pure audio mode.
#1 Tune to a station that is currently off the air. They normally broadcast a test pattern with no sound.
#2 Use your HTPC which will display your desktop and no sound. Sometimes I have to click around on the screen to produce a signal before the receiver locks in to a particular mode before the hum starts.
Also turn your sub on manually with the switch to ensure that it is on.

Uh huh. The "mathematical and acoustical fact" is what it uses to produce the gimmick. It is an illusion of better sound. It fools people the way varying phase can produce more spatiality, or changing EQ can make dialog more pronounced.

Audessey doesn't remove peaks. At least not the way it is implemented in the 705. In fact, it made my system far too middy. (Although, I suppose one could argue that it removed all of the low and high peaks, leaving the nasally mids alone.) Or, if it does, it does it poorly.

Your suggestion of setting levels manually is a good one. And, the 75dB reference is a good starting point. Although, the particular balance between F, C, S, and SB is subjective, and should be adjusted according to personal taste based on actual program material. But, the 75dB is a decent starting point.

Personally, I just start with the individual channel levels all at 0 on the receiver, and go from there using my organic auditory measuring devices, which is what I suggest Uptown does. I also suggest he starts with Audessey turned OFF in the EQ setting menu.

Hey, as with anything in life, YMMV. The first time I ran Audyssey, I was disappointed with the bass response. Read the literature and some theory, set the mic up slightly higher than my headrests and pulled my couch away from the wall a few more inches and the second run turned out amazing. Ran frequency sweeps and confirmed a vastly flatter response from my sub than I was ever able to achieve through manual EQ'ing.

And yes, if you've spent this much on a receiver, you should own a SPL meter to tweak levels with. You should also trust your ears. For instance, though Audyssey does a great job of distance detection for the channels, sometimes those aren't the best settings for between-channel pans. In my case, I played DVE's between-channel tones and bumped the distance settings up and down slightly to listen for which setting placed the sound solidly in between. Audyssey had it right for my front soundstage, but setting my rear surrounds a half-foot closer than what it detected snapped the rear soundstage into place. I can now get full 360 degree pans around the room without any audible gaps (which works great in Rainbow Six: Vegas!).

I also bumped my rear surrounds up 1dB, since they didn't sound the same with rear pans despite reading the same levels on my meter. That's just my preference, though it departs from the reference settings meant to recreate the original mix levels.

I think where you and I have a philosophical disagreement is that you seem slanted toward it sounding subjectively "better"... whereas I'm more interested in accurate reproduction of the source material. Not saying that makes us enemies of the audio world or anything, but it definitely is a difference in our approach. Don't worry, I ain't mad at ya'! And even if we did fight, it would be one of those West Side Story dance fights. :eek:

Please try this on a Assigned and Physically Connected Input (from your DVD player, let us know the connection type for both video/audio) with the player's power off and on. Do you hear anything? IMO, that is what matters.

Selecting a non-assigned and free (not physically connected) input and hearing a little noise may be due to the receiver's design...

I'll continue to evaluate this as time permits. I would expect that the situation would be exacerbated by a connection. Your last statement is entirely correct. Most amps will hum when cranked up, they all leak via pull up and down resistors, filter circuits etc. TBS, its not my job to second guess the manufacturer, I'll let them tell me what to expect and when to expect it. More later when I know more.

BTW, to answer another question, the sub woofer on LED was on. I was switching back and forth, well within the Auto Off/On window. Don't forget that the sub is a pre-out so its a different circuit than the speaker outs.

I am by no means trashing Audyssey. I was just wondering what other peoples experiences were. My father and brother both have the 705 and swear by Audyssey. It just did not work out for me. I think it may be my room setup. I have not tried it with a tripod yet, so I'll be looking to do that in the near future. Thanks for all the input.

I think my other posts explain my experience with Audyssey, so I'll forgo repeating myself. But if you aren't using a tripod, you aren't giving Audyssey a chance to do its thing. Holding the mic or placing it on your couch doesn't let the mic get an accurate reading of room acoustics or frequency response. You need the mic on a tripod, at ear height, pointing straight up at the ceiling, slightly above any headrests on your seat. Also, try to place the tripod in the seat so that the mic is roughly where your head would be when seated - not in the center of your seat. You should also look at the diagrams in the manual on the order and mic placement of the process and take at least 6 positions to get the most out of it. Good luck, and happy tweaking!

I'll continue to evaluate this as time permits. I would expect that the situation would be exacerbated by a connection. Actually, I think the opposite might be true, due to the open connection.

I, too, will try again this evening with a source-connected input and no signal vs. the open input I tried last night.

However, the fact that the noise is eliminated by switching to Pure mode does seem to implicate the unit's processors.

I would expect that the situation would be exacerbated by a connection

I am getting the opposite, no noise with the assigned/connected input.... hoping to see posts from others on my test.....

There are two ways that I have tested for the hum in my system using assigned outputs and both have produced a noticable hum at normal listening levels that go away when you switch to pure audio mode.
#1 Tune to a station that is currently off the air. They normally broadcast a test pattern with no sound.
#2 Use your HTPC which will display your desktop and no sound. Sometimes I have to click around on the screen to produce a signal before the receiver locks in to a particular mode before the hum starts.
Also turn your sub on manually with the switch to ensure that it is on.

I may have missed it, but how are your components connected (hdmi, component, optical for audio etc.)...

Also, in my case, when I do hear it (unassigned/open connection) it is more like static, not a hum sound (something a ground issue could make)...

Guys, is it true that you can't get 7.1 audio from a fiber optic cable? I was under the impression that you could. I just purchased this receiver but I havent opened it yet, but my PS3 is hooked up to my projector using HDMI, and then I use the optic cable for the audio. Am I not going to get 7.1 sound out of this outside of the receiver "simulating" it so to speak?

Edit- Or does the HDMI on the onkyo actually output audio as well? I thought the 705 only had passthrough HDMI (video only)

Yes, I played the free demo on xbox live last night.

I think your thinking of Virtua Fighter 5 (thats all i see on xbox live)... he is talking about Street Fighter 4 :)

You got me all excited a demo was on Live!

I may have missed it, but how are your components connected (hdmi, component, optical for audio etc.)...

Also, in my case, when I do hear it (unassigned/open connection) it is more like static, not a hum sound (something a ground issue could make)...

HDMI from 705 to TV Mitsubishi WD-73732
Comcast box HDMI and optical audio to 705
HTPC DVI directly to TV coax audio to 705
DVD component and optical audio to 705

HDMI from 705 to TV Mitsubishi WD-73732
Comcast box HDMI and optical audio to 705
HTPC DVI directly to TV coax audio to 705
DVD component and optical audio to 705

"Comcast box HDMI and optical audio to 705"
Why the optical, will the Comcast box allow you to send audio with the video via HDMI?

"HTPC DVI directly to TV coax audio to 705"
Not related to the 'sound' issue, but you may want to get a DVI to HDMI converter (cheap at Monoprice) and send it through the 705, no biggie though...


I'll check my optical in connection now (my Xbox is using it with component in) and post here....

[EDIT]
I can hear it with the optical in from my Xbox with and without PA, in fact, there is a slight hum there added to the static when the Xbox is on, not off.

Hello, i am an advid gamer and just purchased this reciever. SO far i am having a lot of fun with it. I have a 7.1 setup and was wondering what sound modes you like to listen to when watching cable(optical) playing PS3(HDMI) and watching Blu-ray(HDMI). At the moment i think Resistance fall of man sounds fabulous in NeuralTHX. Let me know what YOU use

Guys, is it true that you can't get 7.1 audio from a fiber optic cable? I was under the impression that you could. I just purchased this receiver but I havent opened it yet, but my PS3 is hooked up to my projector using HDMI, and then I use the optic cable for the audio. Am I not going to get 7.1 sound out of this outside of the receiver "simulating" it so to speak?

Edit- Or does the HDMI on the onkyo actually output audio as well? I thought the 705 only had passthrough HDMI (video only)

With HDMI, it will pass audio and process the audio using the DSP modes..

Hi Folks,

Is Audyssey setup supposed to do more than just send a few tones to each speaker?
I have run it a few times and each time it send a few tones, followed by silence and tells me not to make noise. I use 3 positions and a tripod.

Is the mic sampling anything during the silence?
Can it get the full range capabilities of my speakers from the short tones?
I assume I can make noise once it is 'calculating'?

Sorry, I was expecting something more from it to figure out x-over frequency and EQ ranges, but I am far from fully understanding this.

Or, is mine not working properly.

Any clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Al

One more quick question, do you think it would be OK to put a receiver on top of a sub? I'm very tight on space in my room as well as trying to make do with the cables I have, so I want to make sure this wont harm it.

Ohio Lefty,

THanks for th einput.

Have you tried the 705 with the DCH 3200?

No, only the DCH-3416 but I wouldn't expect anything different from the DCH-3200. The boxes are identical except for the DVR feature.

I set it to a source that had nothing connected to the input, and turned it up to 75 (normalized). Sure enough, I had a buzz coming from all speakers, and a hum from the sub. Switching to Direct mode reduced it substantially. Switching to Pure mode removed it altogether.

I suggest everybody try this, if you get a chance. I have a feeling that a lot of you will notice it.
Yep, this is what I've been talking about all along.:cool: That exactly what I mentioned earlier. PA = silence, Direct = slight noise, all others = much noise.

With HDMI, it will pass video and process the audio using the DSP modes..

I think this is what you meant?

Just reciever my Onkyo 705 today. But after using the auto speaker setup the volume will not go above +6. It is not loud by any means. I don't have max volume on. Please help!!

Just to clarify. This is not a high volume, no input problem. This problem exists at normal listening levels and can also be heard with an input. The no input is just a way to test easily if the hum is there or not.
Ditto that, and it is most annoying when only the front speakers are active with actual input (TV), and you can hear nothing but noise from the surrounds.

With HDMI, it will pass video and process the audio using the DSP modes..

I think this is what you meant?

With PA and Direct, it will pass unprocessed audio as well...

The only problem I have is this- my cable box is hooked up to my 705 via component in/HDMI out. I get a faint 1/4" faded white line at the top of the picture that gets worse the more black there is on the screen. My PS3 is HDMI in/out and the picture on it is perfect. Anyone else seen that problem?

BTW, my 360 was hooked up the same way as my cable box for a while, and it was the same way (white line). So I know its not the cable box doing it.
Yes, I had this problem but resolved it by setting my cable box's 480i over-ride to 480p...or at least I think that is what resovled it. :o I also made some adjustments on my TV screen. I'm not too concerned about this because I know it isn't an issue with HDMI and eventually I plan to be all-HDMI.

just my components-in, HDMI-out connections (with the component sources powered off, but still connected).

I assume you are using the optical or coax for the audio input...

Is everyone hearing this on non-hdmi inputs for audio (and not hearing it when Pure HDMI in/out)?

I assume you are using the optical or coax for the audio input...

No, those two extra connectors that come with component video cable -- analog. :o Optical cable was supposed to arrive today, but didn't.

And after re-testing and listening closely, I realized I do have noise over my HDMI-only connection, but not as much, and only when it is turned on (i.e, no disc loaded, only Xbox Console Menu showing on screen). As long as I keep the HDMI-connected source off, there is no noise from that input.

Put another way, when I have the HDMI source selected but the 705 displays "'No Signal", there's no noise. If it displays something else, I have noise.

Conversely, even with both component+analog sources turned off, I can still generate the noise from them.

I tested the inputs with absent sources (tape, CD, etc.), and I hear some noise then as well, but not as much as with my connected component-in sources.

The noise reminds me of a radio station that has gone off the air for the evening, but not quite as loud. I already disconnected both antennas btw :p.

Outside of the receiver placement q i had earlier, does this place have an IRC chat by any chance?

Testing suspended to watch Transformers HD DVD. Unfrigginbelieveafrigginable. So far maybe the best A/V experience I have ever seen and heard. Absolutely brilliant screenplay and script. Even if you're tru-blu, stop what your doing and go buy this flick and and a player. Do it now!! You've been told!!

Selected DVD - assigned to HDMI 2 (audio via HDMI) and DVD player connected and powered on, no disc in player (it's just showing the Pioneer Logo):

I do not hear the noise with the DSP's, even at +15 volume. NOTE: The 705 should not show a 'No Signal' Message.
Did you try putting in a disc and pausing it?

I can hear the noise over my HDMI connection (Xbox360 elite) only when it is powered on. However in my case the audio stream is open even with no disc loaded because the Xbox console menu is active.

However a DVD player without a disc might not have an active audio connection open with the receiver... :confused:...

Is this receiver worth $600? Thanks

One more quick question, do you think it would be OK to put a receiver on top of a sub? I'm very tight on space in my room as well as trying to make do with the cables I have, so I want to make sure this wont harm it.

Honestly, I wouldn't. Have you lifted this receiver yet? It is very heavy.

This receiver is worth every dollar.

Also, the projector loses the signal continuously. Watching TV is impossible... sound is ok, though.
Help...?
Could be a bad HDMI cable...

I did that "sub hum test" earlier.. as instructed I switched to a none used source and cranked my volume up to max. Just as I expect I heard white noise kinda hissy effect and that humming buzz in the sub. The things I heard didnt surprise me they have been like that on every home theater and car stereo system I owned in my life.

Most amps (save perhaps the best of the best) get noise at very high to maxed volumes. Personally, I am never really over 80% volume on this receiver and the noise during my test just now didn't start to appear until 80-100%. Even at "Max" volume the hum on the sub was not intense (i had to walk over to it and listen close to see if it was making a noise) and the hiss on my main sats were about as loud as a person doing a loud whisper. I am using Audy auto EQ though.. so perhaps it has curbed the upper and lower end of the EQ spectrum so the high pitch hiss and low end noise are feathered off a bit and not a intense. Also when I clicked Pure Audio the hiss got louder and the hum got more intense.. it didn't go away... this tells me that the EQ is very likely toning down the effect.

This is why I say you need to buy speakers that have a power handling that is matched properly to your amplifier. If you are under powering speakers you are forced to crank the volumes up louder for normal listening.... this makes the amplifier get noisy and sounds horrible.

The people who 1st noticed this hum in the sub seem like they "might" have some kind of other problem, cause they mentioned they got a loud hum right away. As opposed to the rest of us forcing our receivers to the extreme to produce this same kind of negative reaction.

Question to those with the sub hum:

-Whats the power watt rating of your main speakers and sats (not the sub)?
-What is the normal volume level you listen to when you start hearing this hum? Also does this hum happen at less then 50% volume?
-Do you get this hum even while you watch movies and tv shows? (not just silent sources)

Honestly, I wouldn't. Have you lifted this receiver yet? It is very heavy.

Well I mean, it's a gigantic wooden sub, which i actually think is more sturdy in some ways than the glass shelf i bought to put it on originally lol

But I mean as far as like, the magnet. Would that do any damage to the receiver?

Just reciever my Onkyo 705 today. But after using the auto speaker setup the volume will not go above +6. It is not loud by any means.

Mine goes up to +18. Maybe you should try turning Audyssey off (Equalizer setting).

Question to those with the sub hum:

-Whats the power watt rating of your main speakers and sats (not the sub)? nothing in the specs specified exactly "power watt rating". 10-100 amp requirement.

-What is the normal volume level you listen to when you start hearing this hum? -12 Also does this hum happen at less then 50% volume? do you mean like at -60? I don't hear any noise at that volume.

-Do you get this hum even while you watch movies and tv shows? (not just silent sources)yes, that is how I first noticed it. The surrounds are very close to my ears, and during some TV broadcasts, only the front speakers are outputting audio. In such instances, when no actual audio is being generated through the surrounds, the noise coming through them is very obvious. I then realized the same noise came from ALL speakers when I tested with silent inputs.
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Yes, I had this problem but resolved it by setting my cable box's 480i over-ride to 480p...or at least I think that is what resovled it. :o I also made some adjustments on my TV screen. I'm not too concerned about this because I know it isn't an issue with HDMI and eventually I plan to be all-HDMI.

I plan on being all HDMI at some point as well. Id just like to fix it anyways. If only I could get into my cable box's service menu :confused:

I plan on being all HDMI at some point as well. Id just like to fix it anyways. If only I could get into my cable box's service menu :confused:
I have a Comcast Motorola. I power off, then press the menu button on the box. If you are able to access it, I advise changing the output resolution to 720p as well, since the 705 will downconvert 1080i input to 720 when you have a component-in, HDMI-out connection anyway.

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Im using the other kind of volume readout it goes from 0 to 100. (100 being max) I usually like listening to it somewhere between 55-70.

I think the default volume readout your using I think 0 is max.... so -12 is getting close to max. I cant remember without flipping readout modes back and testing it.

Question to everyone:
For those the default volume readout .. is that -12 an overly "loud" volume for the rest of you, or normal?

Transcend.. Im just trying to determine is this a volume related issue... or if this a hardware gone bad kinda issue. Your speaker specs fall into the right category for this receiver, if you see them say 10-100 watts on the specs. Because of that I do not believe your forced to crank the volume up loud to compensate for under powering... so...

More questions for your Transcend:
-Is your room very big and your speakers very small (like sats)?
-Do you have a personal preference for extremely loud volumes?
-When you notice this buzz and you click pure audio.. the buzz goes away or gets worse?

Im using the other kind of volume readout it goes from 0 to 100. (100 being max) I usually like listening to it somewhere between 55-70.

I think the default volume readout your using I think 0 is max.... so -12 is getting close to max. I cant remember without flipping readout modes back and testing it.

Question to everyone:
For those the default volume readout .. is that -12 an overly "loud" volume for the rest of you, or normal?

Default Volume (Relative) max volume is +15/+18 (can be less from Audy setup)


Honestly, I wouldn't. Have you lifted this receiver yet? It is very heavy.

The 705 is a paperclip compared to my Denon 5600, that is Heavy.. :D

woots, when I switch to absolute volume, -12 becomes 70.

Also, -12 is a bit loud when I turn on the "TV Speakers" audio option in the Comcast Guide menu (not the box menu -- this is provided over the cable feed). I need to figure out what those audio options do; "Advanced/No Compression/Matrix" audio options requires -12 to hear everything accross the room.

Also keep in mind I'm only using analog audio for the cable box (desp. waiting for the optic cable to arrive).

More questions for your Transcend:
-Is your room very big and your speakers very small (like sats)? My room is about 12x16 and I have the KEF 3005 (big speakers in little eggshells ;)).

-Do you have a personal preference for extremely loud volumes? No, particularly with the TV I do not

-When you notice this buzz and you click pure audio.. the buzz goes away or gets worse? Goes away
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P.S. I have young (30 something) ears, and have rarely used earbuds/headphones (only a short time in my youth). I think my hearing is still good :)

Absolutely brilliant screenplay and script.

Is there a difference between the two?

Also, I find it hard to believe The Transformers would have either. Probably a lot of nice effects and explosions, though. :D

The 705 is a paperclip compared to my Denon 5600, that is Heavy.. :D
Well, I'm a small-framed girl...I don't think I could have managed anything heavier :eek:.

woods, just fyi...In the Comcast Setup Guide (again, not the box), turning on "TV Speakers" audio option erases the other "Advanced" options and I have to turn the volume down to about -22/60.
The most info I could get from Comcast support is that the Advanced audio options are "not supported".:rolleyes:
But regardless, this volume seems closer to what you listen to.

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P.S. I have young (30 something) ears, and have rarely used earbuds/headphones (only a short time in my youth). I think my hearing is still good :)

Ok .. I didn't know what speakers you had. I forgot we own the same thing... I own KEF 3005's too and listen to this receiver at 70 volume... and I get NO hum or buzz in the speakers on any DSP even during silent scenes... There is something else at work going on.

If you are confident its not an earthloop and your sure you got shielded sub cable.. then you need to consider the source (the receiver).. It may be possible you got a faulty receiver?? We are sporting identical setups and I do not get that problem you are getting... I don't know what else it could be.

PS: That comment about the healthy 30 something ears made me laugh... I thought maybe you had the volume up to extreme levels but 70% isn't extreme. :)

This receiver is worth every dollar.

:)

PS: That comment about the healthy 30 something ears made me laugh... I thought maybe you had the volume up to extreme levels but 70% isn't extreme. :)

Well for all you knew I could have been a 100-year-old granny ("eh? speak up!" :p).

I have Kef 2005's.

Again, I just hear the low hiss on the non HDMI inputs..... interesting that with the AUX (unassigned) input I only hear it on the Left Front, with PA and DSP's, with the VCR/DVR input, I can hear it on all 5 speakers..

Did you try putting in a disc and pausing it?

I can hear the noise over my HDMI connection (Xbox360 elite) only when it is powered on. However in my case the audio stream is open even with no disc loaded because the Xbox console menu is active.

However a DVD player without a disc might not have an active audio connection open with the receiver... :confused:...

I checked that, zero noise using the DSP's...

I am going to use this for HDMI only anyways (or I would have kept my 5600) and I'm not sure the 'hiss/static' noise warrants returning the 705.

I have a Comcast Motorola. I power off, then press the menu button on the box. If you are able to access it, I advise changing the output resolution to 720p as well, since the 705 will downconvert 1080i input to 720 when you have a component-in, HDMI-out connection anyway.

Okay I figured that part out. Output was already at 720p, but I changed the other one to 480p (from 480i). Anyway to get the DVI/HDMI out to the receiver to work so I can eliminate the component cables?

people with this receiver how did it do with transformers

Ok .. I didn't know what speakers you had. I forgot we own the same thing... I own KEF 3005's too and listen to this receiver at 70 volume... and I get NO hum or buzz in the speakers on any DSP even during silent scenes... There is something else at work going on.

If you are confident its not an earthloop and your sure you got shielded sub cable.. then you need to consider the source (the receiver).. It may be possible you got a faulty receiver?? We are sporting identical setups and I do not get that problem you are getting... I don't know what else it could be.

PS: That comment about the healthy 30 something ears made me laugh... I thought maybe you had the volume up to extreme levels but 70% isn't extreme. :)
I just did some more test right after turning the receiver on cold. No hum or buzz in the subwoofer even at max volume. After about 5-10 minutes the hum returned. I am hearing the hum from my seated position of about 12 feet and normal listening volume -17 not loud. Push the pure audio button and the buzz goes away. Who is going to be the first to exchange their receiver to see if the problem goes away?????::(

For anyone getting the hum try disconnected the cable tv line from the wall and see if the hum goes away.
For me the hum was most noticable on my sub and at first I assumed it was my cheap sub. Then finally I tried disconnecting the tv cable line and the noise was gone. Well at least subdued enough that I could enjoy watching movies with the DSP's activated.
-Craig

I checked that, zero noise using the DSP's...

I am going to use this for HDMI only anyways (or I would have kept my 5600) and I'm not sure the 'hiss/static' noise warrants returning the 705.

turbe, I decided to take my own advice and put a DVD into the xbox350 elite, then paused it and cranked up the volume. PERFECT SILENCE! I ejected the DVD and the noise returned when the Xbox Console menu appeared. (To me, that's weird.:()

But it does seem this isn't a big issue with HDMI sources.

can someone tell me how i can check the temperature of my 705?

can someone tell me how i can check the temperature of my 705?

From a past post:

1) Turn on receiver (if not already)
2) Press and hold "Display" button and then immediately press "Standby" button
3) Release both buttons (MAIN page of firmware info will be displayed) and then quickly press "Tone" button (if you wait too long, the display will revert back to what it was before the "Display" and "Standby" buttons were pressed). Temperature info will stay on until a function change is initiated.

Does the 705 have the thx 2 certification like the 805? Im curious what is the benefit of paying for 805 over the 705 if both are level 6 future proof.

hey guys, another question about this receiver. I know you can send component inputs to the hdmi output, which I think is an awesome feature. However I'm concerned about the audio going along with these component inputs. Here's my situation.

1. Wii - Component Video - RCA Stereo Audio.

2. Xbox 360 - VGA (straight to the projector) - Fiber Optics cable.

3. PS3 - HDMI.

4. PC - HDMI to DVI converter - RCA 7.1 Channel Audio/Fiber Optics Cable.

Now my question is this, is there a way to setup these inputs to *all* display using the HDMI out, yet still be able to use their different audio inputs? Or do you need to use HDMI audio for everything coming out of the HDMI output? I mean the PS3 should be set to go. I'd need to setup the Wii to take the component input and send it out via HDMI, but I'd need to use the 2 RCA jacks as the audio source. The 360 I should be able to figure out on my own, and the PC is it's own little world also, using HDMI for the video but RCAs for the audio. How do you set these up? Is it even possible? :(

Now my question is this, is there a way to setup these inputs to *all* display using the HDMI out, yet still be able to use their different audio inputs? Or do you need to use HDMI audio for everything coming out of the HDMI output? I mean the PS3 should be set to go. I'd need to setup the Wii to take the component input and send it out via HDMI, but I'd need to use the 2 RCA jacks as the audio source. The 360 I should be able to figure out on my own, and the PC is it's own little world also, using HDMI for the video but RCAs for the audio. How do you set these up? Is it even possible? :(
Yes, that's how it works. Audio input from each source is directed toward the speakers, video is directed to your TV (connected to HDMI out). You just have to assign the inputs in the setup menu and if you don't need audio through your TV, keep HDMI audio OFF (also in the setup menu).

The manual will give you suggestions on exactly which ports to use for each device.

P.S. Assume you know connecting the xbox directly to the projector via VGA means you won't get display through the receiver , HDMI or not ;) Some TV's can auto-sense active sources, but if not, you'll just have to switch sources on the TV between HDMI and VGA.

Yes, that's how it works. Audio input from each source is directed toward the speakers, video is directed to your TV (connected to HDMI out). You just have to assign the inputs in the setup menu and if you don't need audio through your TV, keep HDMI audio OFF (also in the setup menu).

The manual will give you suggestions on exactly which ports to use for each device.

Excellent, thank you. I just don't want to have to switch back and forth disabling and enabling things everytime I want to play something different. I am one happy camper right now :D

However connecting the xbox directly to the projector via VGA means you won't get Xbox display through the receiver. Some TV's can auto-sense active sources, but if not, you'll just have to switch sources on the TV between HDMI (for everything connected to your receiver) and VGA (for xbox).

However connecting the xbox directly to the projector via VGA means you won't get Xbox display through the receiver. Some TV's can auto-sense active sources, but if not, you'll just have to switch sources on the TV between HDMI (for everything connected to your receiver) and VGA (for xbox).

oh yeah, thats fine, i don't mind doing that. I just don't want to have to switch say the hdmi audio to rca audio and back and forth everytime I want to play a different system.

I have Athena AS-C1.2 Center Channel speaker rated at 150W per channel and 4 AS-B1.2 speakers for fronts and rears rated at 125 watts peer channel. Can these speakers handle the 750 which is rated at 90 watts per channel. It seems like they should but I want to be sure before I buy the receiver.

Amazon has a great price on the 705 right now. Anyone know if Amazon is a good place to buy electronics?

Where else can you buy extended warrantier other than the seller? Are they really worth it since the 705 has a two year warranty?

mustvid, do you mean the 705?

Amazon has been good to me in the past. If I have to return this receiver to them, I'll let you know how that goes. I would have to pay for insured-registered postage up front, and then they would supposedly reimburse me...sounds a little dicey, to be honest.

mustvid, do you mean the 705?

Amazon has been good to me in the past. If I have to return this receiver to them, I'll let you know how that goes. I would have to pay for insured-registered postage up front, and then they would supposedly reimburse me...sounds a little dicey, to be honest.

Yes I meant 705. Did you just buy one from them or are you going to take advantage of the best deal I've seen without a coupon? Did you buy an extended warranty?

Yes I meant 705. Did you just buy one from them or are you going to take advantage of the best deal I've seen without a coupon? Did you buy an extended warranty?
Yes about two weeks ago, for about 80 cents less ;), and no ext. warranty yet. I assume you are speaking of Amazon direct ("shipped and sold by Amazon.com"), not one of their third-party vendors.

A lot of pages here and I couldn't find my question so here it is. I want to rename the input selector names like instead of TV/Game I want to call it playstation 3, please any help, thanks.