IMO (and I'm not going to be of those hyprocrites who include the "H", as relatively few at this website would easily fit into the characterization of "humble" ;) ), this show which hasn't yet premiered has the stink of early death surrounding it, and with good reason:

1) Its on Fox

2) Its an action show on Fox, but its not '24'

3) Its a television dilution of a very popular film series

4) It has alternate timelines

5) ABC has counter-programmed James Cameron's "Aquaman" starring Vincent Chase in the same time slot.

With all these factors culminating toward the early demise of this series, it isn't as much an "IF", as it is a "WHEN". So let's see how well the expert prognosticators at the AVS HDTV subgroup can do in anticipating the death knoll.

Les jeux sont faites :cool:

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Aw, come on man. Even I'm not so cynical. Is thre really a point in a thread like this when there's already a thread on the series? If you want to talk about cancellation why not just wait for the series to be aired first, or at least discuss it in the existing thread?

Aw, come on man. Even I'm not so cynical. Is thre really a point in a thread like this when there's already a thread on the series? If you want to talk about cancellation why not just wait for the series to be aired first, or at least discuss it in the existing thread?
Too easy:

1) Its summer and we all need a little fun

2) I'm bored

3) If we wait until after the series has aired, the poll may have already been rendered redundant. :p

But we do need wide-eyed optimists to keep things interesting, so if you want to do a write-in vote of 6 months or more, its :cool: by me, Dave. ;)

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Without seeing even the pilot, it's too early to tell how good it is or how long it will last. However, if it's a serialized show with multiple episode arcs as opposed to, say, its heroes battling "the Terminator of the week", its chances aren't good. I heard they spent a lot of money on the pilot, so maybe FOX will give it the 'Firefly' treatment - half a season, then toast.

Yeah, if its any good, it will get Axed like Firefly.

Yeah, if its any good, it will get Axed like Firefly.
That makes it a no win situation. What you're suggesting is that if it's good it will get axed, and if it's bad it will get axed. So, the only chance it has to stay on is to be mediocre.

Without seeing even the pilot, it's too early to tell how good it is or how long it will last.
Fair enough, but this is supposed to be a speculative “place your bets in advance” poll anyway, so no harm, no foul.

However, if it's a serialized show with multiple episode arcs as opposed to, say, its heroes battling "the Terminator of the week", its chances aren't good. I heard they spent a lot of money on the pilot, so maybe FOX will give it the 'Firefly' treatment - half a season, then toast.
Half a season? Honestly Arch, I think you’re being overly generous, particularly as this is the same Fox that sunk money and heavy promo-time into ‘Drive’, than $h!t-canned it even before it had a chance to get out of the gate. At the rate they’re going, I personally think it likely that they’ll be trotting out the ‘reality replacement du jour’ well in advance of the half-season mark.

But your post started me to thinking about how many action/adventure series have done well in a network Sunday Night 9:00 – 10:00 p.m. time slot. I could only come up with X-Files, which is a fairly unique show and a bit of an anomaly. So I became curious and decided to do a little research, and the results are not promising.

Between 1972 and the present, there have been a total of five (count ‘em 5 :) ) action/adventure shows in TOTAL, on all of the big networks in that particular time slot. And that’s not by qualifying it to the ones that did well, that’s ALL of them over the past 35 years, period. Scary, huh? :eek: X-Files, a single season or less of Alias (which had a pre-established audience from a different night), and then you have to jump all the way back to 1974 – 1976 for Kojak, Mannix and the Sunday Night Mystery Movie.

IOW, by placing it in a time slot not recognized as ideal for this kind of TV fare, Fox has blood-doped a precarious entry to begin with.. This does not bode well. Unless they have a break-out Heroes-type hit on their hands (which I kind of doubt), even that might not be enough to save it in that particular time slot, which has generally been avoided by the networks for this genre. :(

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Somehow Dark Angel dragged on for 2 seasons, and that show was unwatchable. I think that given the profile of the Terminator franchise, enough viewers will tune in out of curiosity to keep this on the air through the end of its first season (which will be a short run, since this is a mid-season replacement series). After that, Fox will can it.

Somehow Dark Angel dragged on for 2 seasons, and that show was unwatchable. I think that given the profile of the Terminator franchise, enough viewers will tune in out of curiosity to keep this on the air through the end of its first season (which will be a short run, since this is a mid-season replacement series). After that, Fox will can it.
If you remember, Dark Angel was actually good during the first season when she was playing muscle and kicking bad guy butt on behalf of the citizens of the city.

It got canned when it slipped the course and became about "the greater conspiracy" and a mutant of the week (including a regular appearance by the "dog man"). Of course didn't some other series **cough - X Files** follow that same path near the end?

It also doesn't help that once Miss Alba was trying to be introspective instead of kicking people's butts, viewers started to discover her lack of acting talent.

This new show looks more like a George Lucas style money grab to revive a movie franchise that probably should have ended after the 1st 2 movies - and definitely should have stopped after the third.

Finally, I believe Cameron had at least a full season commitment for Dark Angel before it even went on the air. As a result, it had time to gain enough viewership to warrant renewal - once.

If you remember, Dark Angel was actually good during the first season when she was playing muscle and kicking bad guy butt on behalf of the citizens of the city.



Yeah, the first season of DA really wasn't too bad, certainly not "unwatchable" (that came later). Jessica Alba was the new hawt young thang of the moment and played her part of butt-kickin' chick reasonably well. But meddling by the ever-hapless network "suits" in the second season changed the direction of the show and killed it off. We've seen it happen over and over.

Aw, come on man. Even I'm not so cynical. Is thre really a point in a thread like this when there's already a thread on the series? If you want to talk about cancellation why not just wait for the series to be aired first, or at least discuss it in the existing thread?


I've got to agree with DaveFi here, I'm gonna show my eternal optimist here and say that this show is going to be good "Heroes"/"BSG" style scifi, and have great ratings and will last a few seasons (hey, this is all just summer fun isn't it, I can choose that as a write in can't I?)

Also, Palladin, not to dispute your research, but you said "a single season or less of Alias (which had a pre-established audience from a different night)" That's not the case, Alias was in that timeslot it's first three seasons.

If you remember, Dark Angel was actually good during the first season when she was playing muscle and kicking bad guy butt on behalf of the citizens of the city.
Agreed, and it had the imprimatur of Cameron who was hot, hot, hot at that time. But Season 2 was the kind of thing you try not to step into. ;)

It got canned when it slipped the course and became about "the greater conspiracy" and a mutant of the week (including a regular appearance by the "dog man"). Of course didn't some other series **cough - X Files** follow that same path near the end?
I think that's a little harsh. X-Files was interesting and engaging, kept their primary themes going throughout most of the seasons, and was bolstered by Duchovny's comic touch. But once you got to the VERY end with Patrick and Gish (who are both good actors), the whole mess devolved into a poor take on the classic Abbot & Costello "Who's on first?" routine.

This new show looks more like a George Lucas style money grab to revive a movie franchise that probably should have ended after the 1st 2 movies - and definitely should have stopped after the third.
Yup, the third one never should have seen the light of day, but for Hollywood's insistence on draining every possible buck out of a vehicle, even after the imaginative well has run dry. :(

I've got to agree with DaveFi here, I'm gonna show my eternal optimist here and say that this show is going to be good "Heroes"/"BSG" style scifi, and have great ratings and will last a few seasons (hey, this is all just summer fun isn't it, I can choose that as a write in can't I?)
Of course, you can do a write-in! :) The whole reason we're in this virtual saloon in cyberspace is to share our thoughts and opinions about common interests. But while I love both BSG and Heroes, I'm not that comfortable with the way you're lumping them together. Heroes is good old-fashioned mindless fun. OTOH, BSG is much, much more than that, and intentionally or not, will someday probably be remembered as creating a new genre in television drama.

Also, Palladin, not to dispute your research, but you said "a single season or less of Alias (which had a pre-established audience from a different night)" That's not the case, Alias was in that timeslot it's first three seasons.
I'll accept your word on that. I wasn't a big fan of that show and very rarely watched it. I was just working off what the internet could cough up, and perhaps I misinterpreted its number of Sunday seasons. But, then again, that kind of begs the issue I was raising, no? ;)

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Quote 1:
"Also, Palladin, not to dispute your research, but you said "a single season or less of Alias (which had a pre-established audience from a different night)" That's not the case, Alias was in that timeslot it's first three seasons."

Quote2 (reply to Quote1):
"I'll accept your word on that. I wasn't a big fan of that show and very rarely watched it. I was just working off what the internet could cough up, and perhaps I misinterpreted its number of Sunday seasons. But, then again, that kind of begs the issue I was raising, no?"

Alias DID run its first 3 seasons Sundays @9pm (I watched the entire series as it aired). There is a very easy way to figure out night and time for shows:

1) Go to http://www.epguides.com
2) Choose your show (Alphabetically listed)
3) Reference original airdates with your windows calendar

In 2 minutes, you are done. Wikipedia and IMDB work well also.

As for the subject at hand, I really don't think timeslot or subject matter has anything to do with it anymore. The major networks have become major a$$holes and will cancel anything and everything at the slightest whim. There should be an advisory at the beginning of new shows when they air that says:

"This show may be cancelled at any time and with no prior notice. Attachments to characters and/or storyline may result in increased levels of anger and resentment"

Mindless rating grabbing check your brain at the door drivel is what the networks want... and for those shows, the following warning should be aired before:

"If you can read this, you're IQ is superior to this show's target audience"

To give you an answer: The show will not make it to May sweeps:
It will run perhaps 5-6 episodes in Jan-Feb, go off for March break, come back with 1 airing in April and then put on hiatus for the remainder of the month and then pulled from May sweeps and air it's remainder of the 13 episodes online.

P.S. There will come a day when FOX will cancel a new show live as it's airing the Pilot/first episode and put American Idol Rewind for the remaining minutes of the hour slot (the west coast feed will air the entire American Idol Rewind of course).

Another fun bet might be: Which will be cancelled first: 'The Bionic Woman' or 'The Sarah Connor Chronicles'....?

Another fun bet might be: Which will be cancelled first: 'The Bionic Woman' or 'The Sarah Connor Chronicles'....?
It might. Except for the fact that many (including myself, and probably you as well) would be reluctant to bet against TBW no matter how bad the premise or the execution is, simply because of the Sackhoff factor. ;)

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Another fun bet might be: Which will be cancelled first: 'The Bionic Woman' or 'The Sarah Connor Chronicles'....?

Considering that SCC isn't even set to start until January, Bionic Woman could already be a distant memory by then. :rolleyes: I hope not, of course, I would like to see them both succeed.

It might. Except for the fact that many (including myself, and probably you as well) would be reluctant to bet against TBW no matter how bad the premise or the execution is, simply because of the Sackhoff factor. ;)



Dang straight! We love Katee! :p

If you remember, Dark Angel was actually good during the first season

I remember very clearly. The show was awful from the pilot episode, and only got worse over time.

Dang straight! We love Katee! :p
Well, seeing as we've gone this far OT already, I want to revise my earlier thinking about how I want to see The Bionic Woman end up.

Originally, I wanted to see the lead actress get knocked off early in the series, and Katee take over the role.

But now, having given it more thought, I would prefer Katee remain the evil chick, because the villains tend to get the better material, and she could really eat up a part like that. ;)

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As long as she can still keep playing Starbuck for one more season I'm okay with whatever role they give her on TBW.

I remember very clearly. The show was awful from the pilot episode, and only got worse over time.
Ah, I guess that's why we get so darned marny channels to choose from. People respond to different shows. From the time Jessica got around a bad guy on a stairwell by running on the walls, I was hooked. ;)

I will agree with you on the last part of you statement, though I stand by my enjoyment of most of the 1st season.

That makes it a no win situation. What you're suggesting is that if it's good it will get axed, and if it's bad it will get axed. So, the only chance it has to stay on is to be mediocre.Egg-xactly...





It might. Except for the fact that many (including myself, and probably you as well) would be reluctant to bet against TBW no matter how bad the premise or the execution is, simply because of the Sackhoff factor.Exac---um, what he said.
BTW, while I liked Dark Angel, it did get pretty dumb by season two.

I'm giving it a month.

The last movie was a long time ago and interest was already waning then. If the public cares I'll be amazed. I like the franchise and I don't really care at this point.

Might work better if they scheduled it closer to the next movie that milks the franchise, then they could build on the initial hype.

I've probably watched the first two about 50 times each...but this TV series just doesn't interest me. Maybe if it was directed by James Cameron and starred Linda Hamilton I would...

I wish polls were all inclusive so we can vote and monitor results without having to always hit "View poll results".

I think they'll find a way to insert "Terminator" in the title and it will last at least through its rookie season.

Maybe if it was directed by James Cameron and starred Linda Hamilton I would...Won't happen in this lifetime; does sound interesting, though.

I've probably watched the first two about 50 times each...but this TV series just doesn't interest me. Maybe if it was directed by James Cameron and starred Linda Hamilton I would...
Oh yeah. What could possibly be more fun than working on a TV series with your ex-wife? :rolleyes:

I'm guessing that's the next thing on his PITA list, right after a bamboo shoot manicure. :D

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I wish polls were all inclusive so we can vote and monitor results without having to always hit "View poll results".

I think they'll find a way to insert "Terminator" in the title and it will last at least through its rookie season.

I agree. I think the title is lame as is and that excluding "Terminator" from it is a definite no no. Let's hope you're prediction will come true.

2nd week

Maybe if it was directed by James Cameron...
I would imagine after Dark Angel's (more or less sudden) non-renewal and network meddling, Cameron's got to have a pretty bad taste in his mouth concerning TV series work. I would be surprised to see him do series work again... especially for FOX.
Of course, if you could get Jessica Alba to star as Sara Connor- the series might last a bit longer :D :D

Bumped (for the hell of it) ;)

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The original poster could go out on the edge. Hidden underneath the index numbers is the underlying fact that in today's environment, nearly every new show is canceled.......even successful ones. Once you realize that is really the only argument made here, this becomes a rather redundant exercise in boredom. I'm almost certain his next amazing argument will be to give us the top 10 reasons the sun will come up tomorrow. :p

It's a poll only for those that think the show will be quickly cancelled. It only asks "how quick" - don't see the value of that.

Which is why I didn't vote, I want the show to succeed, so I'm not going to try to predict how quickly it will fail.

The original poster could go out on the edge. Hidden underneath the index numbers is the underlying fact that in today's environment, nearly every new show is canceled.......even successful ones. Once you realize that is really the only argument made here, this becomes a rather redundant exercise in boredom. I'm almost certain his next amazing argument will be to give us the top 10 reasons the sun will come up tomorrow. :p
Oh my, Lord, please save us from the newbies. :rolleyes:

Thanks so much for the insightful analysis you have provided of my post, which unfortunately, evidences little more than a decided lack of comprehension.

Nearly every show is canceled
NO! Really??! You figured that out all by yourself?? :eek: Stop the presses, this is page one material if I ever heard it. :rolleyes: Thanks for that revelation, and for allowing the rest of us to bask in your brilliance. :rolleyes:

So I guess I must have been confusing all of those members here who proceeded under the mistaken notion that certain series continue on ad infinitum?? :confused:

To point out the extermely obvious, it was clear from my first post that I wasn't raising the issue of 'whether' it would be canceled (or that it would somehow defy the laws of television programming), but rather based upon certain factors, including the network it would appear on and the sub-genre of this program, how long it would be able to last, NOT IF it would ever be cancelled. And my second post further clarified my purpose of introducing this poll in the first place.

Are you taking offense at this harmless exercise because you are a publicist for the show, or something? :p

Whatever happened to the old notion that 'Reading is fundamental'?? :(

Because generally, reading does permit one to avoid missing the point entirely. :eek:

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I have to admit to being a little curious as to why the Seventh, Eighth and Ninth weeks have gotten practically no play at all. Is there some kind of established general pattern or consensus in either the industry or this forum, that if a show is kept on the air for at least six weeks, it has gotten past the hump and will remain on the season schedule? :confused:

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Are you really trying to determine some scientific conclusion based on the responses of 57 people that fall in the very limited category of people that think a new show will last only between 1 and 10 episodes?

Are you really trying to determine some scientific conclusion based on the responses of 57 people that fall in the very limited category of people that think a new show will last only between 1 and 10 episodes?
Geez CP, if it weren't for the absence of some kind of emote, I'd presume that you were joking. No, of course I'm not trying to reach any scientific conclusion here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Look, despite the AVS name of this website, I think the closest we ever get to anything of a serious scientific nature here usually focuses on some kind of double-blind hermetically sealed isolation booth A/B comparison concerning the virtues of cryogenic cables. ;) Hell, if this place was nothing but science :eek: , we'd all be bored here in pretty short order.

As I initially stated, this poll was essentially created for fun, to kill time while we wait for the fall season to show up, and maybe alleviate some of the summer boredom. But I tend to be a little curious by nature, and when I see some kind of pattern forming which isn't entirely obvious on its face, I sometimes wonder if its nothing more than random chance, or possibly reflects some kind of order, even if its on an unconcious level.

Now, going back to the penultimate post you're referencing, the fact that 3 out of 10 speculative possible options in a row remained practically untouched, was a little surprising. They weren't at the beginning, they weren't at the very end, and they included the #7, which is likely to get picked by by a few for no other reason than they regard it as a lucky number. So, I guess I was looking for a little more insight (keeping in mind that this whole exercise is relatively speculative) as to whether this random sampling was pure chance, or reflected others' greater knowledge of the inner workings of the television industry. :cool:

Betcha you're not gonna ask me another question anytime soon. ;) :D

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Why is this worthy of a poll and not "Cavemen?" If anything, it seems like a stupid show based on Cavemen from a commercial will be canned before anything else.

Why is this worthy of a poll and not "Cavemen?" If anything, it seems like a stupid show based on Cavemen from a commercial will be canned before anything else.

The answer to that question is easy, everybody knows that show will be cancelled after 3 episodes. Even ABC knows this, which is why they went ahead a renewed their original caveman comedy "According to Jim" for a season of 18 episodes. 18 + 3=22. ;)

I am done watching shows on FOX. After Firefly, Kitchen Confidential, Drive et al, I will wait and rent the DVDs if they make it that far.

-TPM

With this being the Terminator franchise, I think the show will last an entire season before FOX decides what to do with it.

The answer to that question is easy, everybody knows that show will be cancelled after 3 episodes. Even ABC knows this, which is why they went ahead a renewed their original caveman comedy "According to Jim" for a season of 18 episodes. 18 + 3=22. ;)Nothing original about Jim. If I see one more show based on The Flinstones, based off The Honeymooners, I'll scream.

Another fun bet might be: Which will be cancelled first: 'The Bionic Woman' or 'The Sarah Connor Chronicles'....?
I had access to the Bionic Woman pilot DVD from nbc. It was crushingly disappointing to put it kindly and disastrously awful to put it not so kindly. Just my opinion, of course, but in general, I'm a pretty kind, give-it-a-chance critic. Bionic Woman is not good.

I had access to the Bionic Woman pilot DVD from nbc. It was crushingly disappointing to put it kindly and disastrously awful to put it not so kindly. Just my opinion, of course, but in general, I'm a pretty kind, give-it-a-chance critic. Bionic Woman is not good.
Well, the trailers I saw a few months back would certainly suggest that both the concept and execution were *cough* problematic *cough* :rolleyes: at the very least. OTOH, I'm tempted to give the benefit of the doubt to any show that features Katee Sackhoff and Miguel Ferrer in recurring roles, and Michael Hogan (as well as apparently a couple of other BSG cast members), in guest roles. BTW is the deaf sister, the same girl from 'Jericho" and "Weeds"? Is it considered vogue or PC these days to have at least one token cast member with a disability? :confused:

New thought - This season has or will purportedly offer the following actors in new series: Summer Glau in Connor Chronicles, Jewel Straite in Stargate Atlantis, Nathan Fillion in Drive, and Adam Baldwin in Chuck. Why don't they just cut through all the preliminaries and premiere the inevitable - "Firefly: The Same Generation"? ;)

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Whatever happened to the old notion that 'Reading is fundamental'?? :(

Because generally, reading does permit one to avoid missing the point entirely. :eek:
LMAOD... The internet has ruined reading comprehension. some either forget to use smilies or ignore them when posted.
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as for the show, I'll know after I watch the pilot tomorrow. Hope it's near TBW and not near Cavemen.

everyone can see all the pilots if they wanted too ;) :rolleyes:

New thought - This season has or will purportedly offer the following actors in new series: Summer Glau in Connor Chronicles, Jewel Straite in Stargate Atlantis, Nathan Fillion in Drive, and Adam Baldwin in Chuck. Why don't they just cut through all the preliminaries and premiere the inevitable - "Firefly: The Same Generation"? ;)

Just a quick correction Palladin, Nathan Fillion's "Drive" has already come and gone, cancelled after 3 episodes, but he is joining "Desperate Housewives" this fall.

Just a quick correction Palladin, Nathan Fillion's "Drive" has already come and gone, cancelled after 3 episodes, but he is joining "Desperate Housewives" this fall.
Nah, that was intentional, Rocky. You couldn't hang out at this sub-forum the last few months without being aware of Drive's demise. Personally, I wasn't all that crazy about it to begin with, but was glad to see Fillion back on screen. In fact, it was Fox's approach to Drive that got me started on thinking about this thread, and its alluded to in both the first post and the poll.

Fillion's going to be on Desperate Housewives?? :eek: I don't want to see him turn into the next Tim Daly. He's much better off in the wry adventurer role that Malcolm offered. But everybody's got to make a buck.

Just thought it ironic that all these ex-'flys' were pppping up all over the screen during a relatively short period of time. Must be quite a few empty rooms at the Actor's Fund retirement homes. ;) And Torres seems to get a fair amount of guest-starring spots. No idea what happened to Monica and River's brother.

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Well, the trailers I saw a few months back would certainly suggest that both the concept and execution were *cough* problematic *cough* :rolleyes: at the very least. OTOH, I'm tempted to give the benefit of the doubt to any show that features Katee Sackhoff and Miguel Ferrer in recurring roles, and Michael Hogan (as well as apparently a couple of other BSG cast members), in guest roles. BTW is the deaf sister, the same girl from 'Jericho" and "Weeds"? Is it considered vogue or PC these days to have at least one token cast member with a disability? :confused:

From what I've read, the Bionic Woman pilot is being substantially reworked and recast, and the entire deaf sister storyline has been dropped.

Coming on next yr, this would make a decent front show for 24. Sunday just doesnt feel right for this show but being as not much will be on it might make it because of the Terminator fans.

dont know why they're cutting the school shooting, it's a robot and only another robot gets shot. guess that was a spoiler but oh well.

If it's HD and actual 5.1, I'd watch just for the sound from the action.

The answer to that question is easy, everybody knows that show will be cancelled after 3 episodes. Even ABC knows this, which is why they went ahead a renewed their original caveman comedy "According to Jim" for a season of 18 episodes. 18 + 3=22. ;)

Man, math was never my strength, but nobody called me on it after 4 days. Oh well, Cavemen may last 4 eps, who knows.

Man, math was never my strength, but nobody called me on it after 4 days. Oh well, Cavemen may last 4 eps, who knows.
Math, so easy, even a caveman can do it... ;)

I think the only reason no one caught it is all the math whizzes are over in the Lost thread trying to sort out whether we're getting 1/3 or 2/3 fewer episodes....

Math, so easy, even a caveman can do it... ;)

I think the only reason no one caught it is all the math whizzes are over in the Lost thread trying to sort out whether we're getting 1/3 or 2/3 fewer episodes....
We're done with that already. Now we're using mathematical equations to empirically resolve the 'less filling - tastes great' enigma. ;)

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From what I've read, the Bionic Woman pilot is being substantially reworked and recast, and the entire deaf sister storyline has been dropped.Huh? Can you repeat that last part.....

Huh? Can you repeat that last part.....

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-lucyhalebionicwomancasting,0,826070.story?coll=zap-tv-headlines

1 month...around the same the network gave Drive and other shows FOX hasn't let an audience develop for...

drive was given two weeks...

drive was given two weeks...

But it was like 4 or 5 episodes if I remember correctly...too Fox, that is 4 weeks of advertising dollars that weren't earning their fair share as American Idol and Spelling Bee

But it was like 4 or 5 episodes if I remember correctly...too Fox, that is 4 weeks of advertising dollars that weren't earning their fair share as American Idol and Spelling Bee

It was 4 episodes. The first 2 premiered together on a Sunday. Episode 3 ran the next day on Monday. The last episode was the following Monday. It was pulled off the air 8 days after it premiered, not 4 weeks.

Bumped back from the dead for those who haven't voted yet, particularly as it looks like the 'Fox Factor' will be kicking into high gear again.

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I actually enjoyed the pilot. I thought it was ten times better than T3. But that's not saying much. I hope it goes a whole season.

So, will the show actually have Terminators in it? Or does Sarah fight other sorts of bad guys?

So, will the show actually have Terminators in it? Or does Sarah fight other sorts of bad guys?

Well, I'm sure the pilot will.;)

I actually enjoyed the pilot. I thought it was ten times better than T3. But that's not saying much. I hope it goes a whole season.
Hope I haven't lost all of my math skills to Old-Timers disease yet. Let's see....

So the equation would be something like, T3=0, and 0 x 10 =.......Wait a minute, is that the best result we can hope for? :eek:

BTW, where'd you see the pilot? Was it something online, at a sci-fi geek convention, or is you in da biz? :)

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Well, I'm sure the pilot will.;)

So if it does have Terminators in it, then the show directly contradicts the continuity of the movies.

So if it does have Terminators in it, then the show directly contradicts the continuity of the movies.

Well, it would directly contradict T3, but I don't know if that's a bad thing. I'm trying to figure out the timeline myself, but I believe that they may be disregarding T3.

So if it does have Terminators in it, then the show directly contradicts the continuity of the movies.

how so? From what I remember of T3, the war begins? When is the show supposed to take place?

I was under the impression that the series takes place between T2 and T3. After all, in T3 we're told that Sarah died of cancer just after the original Judgment Day date had passed. Also, the "Terminatrix" in T3 was supposedly the first Terminator sent back to the past since Arnie and the T1000 duked it out.

Maybe they're completely disregarding T3, but I thought the show was being produced by the same company that currently has the movie franchise rights.

What a stupid idea!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sarah_Connor_Chronicles
This should help clear up some questions


In an June 20, 2007 interview, Friedman revealed that the writers and producers are going to avoid the Terminator of the Week plot device and that Sarah, John, and Cameron will have other threats than just Terminators. Skynet will also come into play as the series progresses. Furthermore, Friedman stated that the events of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines have no bearing on this timeline, but do occur in an alternate timeline.[10] In addition to having planned the entire story arc for the first season, Friedman has a rough idea for the plot of the following three seasons.[11]

At the 2007 summer Television Critics Association press tour, Fox Entertainment Chairman Peter Liguori revealed that certain parts of the pilot, involving a Terminator posing as a teacher attacking John at school, would be changed following the shooting at Virginia Tech. Friedman's reason for having the segment initially was to explain Sarah's powerlessness to protect John while he was at school. Liguori could not say what the new version would be.[12] Also at the meeting, the producers stated that the title of the series may be changed to Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.[13]

Also at the meeting, the producers stated that the title of the series may be changed to Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.[13][/I]

"May" be changed to include the word Terminator? I'd say that's a near certainty.

"Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" sounds really awkward. If they want to work the word in, they're going to have to come up with something better than that.

How about: "The Sarah Connor Gets Terminated Chronicles". You know it's going to be in there somewhere. It's all about branding these days.

And Drive got smaller ratings each broadcast so it was not gaining audience but loosing some that did tune in. That is never a good sign for a network. The same thing happened with Firefly. As good as the show was it did not click with a lot pf people and each week it had a smaller viewing audience.
That is what to watch for. If the show can keep about the same numbers week after week there is some hope but if people throw the towel in each progressing week then something is not working.

The same thing happened with Firefly. As good as the show was it did not click with a lot pf people and each week it had a smaller viewing audience.

As long as I live, I will never encounter a more confounding mystery. Because, almost without exception, everyone who got turned onto the series via DVD or on UHD/SciFi reruns absolutely loved it. I'm sure there were exceptions, of course, but they had to be a very small percentage.

As long as I live, I will never encounter a more confounding mystery. Because, almost without exception, everyone who got turned onto the series via DVD or on UHD/SciFi reruns absolutely loved it. I'm sure there were exceptions, of course, but they had to be a very small percentage.

I guess I should own up to being in that small percentage. :o Watched one episode when it was on the air, and came away feeling the whole cowboys in space routine felt a little too forced. Flash forward to about a year or so back, found the DVD set at a good price and figured WTF, twenty bucks for an entire series I hadn't seen was an okay deal (also there were lots at this website talking it up).

For me, the best episodes were really great (e.g. Jaynestown [ my personal fav], the ones with Mal's "wife" were lots of fun, and the bounty hunter chasing River.) But as much as I liked the cast, I thought most of the others were just okay, and that the storytelling could get a little lazy at times.

Now, I expect a number of people will insist I'm dead wrong, and extol its virtues, but that's what makes horse racing, and I guess the only response I could offer is "go back and watch BSG". Maybe not as much fun, but IMO, much better television.

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Now, I expect a number of people will insist I'm dead wrong, and extol its virtues, but that's what makes horse racing, and I guess the only response I could offer is "go back and watch BSG". Maybe not as much fun, but IMO, much better television.

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Let me be the first to insist you're dead wrong! :p But BSG is so totally different in tone, it's difficult to compare them. You can lump them both into the sci-fi category, but they're really different animals. Their appeal is as varied as their tone, one more light-hearted, one more deadly serious. But they really have to be 1 & 2 in terms of quality, adult sci-fi that we've seen in the last decade or so. They set the bar high.

The same thing happened with Firefly. As good as the show was it did not click with a lot pf people and each week it had a smaller viewing audience.
Comparing Drive with Firefly is a poor example. Drive had 3 episodes run from the beginning on back to back days with a 4th the following week before it was canceled. Firefly was run out of order, it was moved all over the schedule and several episodes were skipped altogether. The worst part is, this was before DVRs were available, so people couldn't follow the show.

Of course, the stupid theme song - yes, I said it: it was stupid - didn't help dispel the perception that it was about "Cowboys in Space". If that had been what I thought the show was about, I wouldn't have watched it either.

Let me be the first to insist you're dead wrong! :p
Well, I knew it was going to be someone, so it might as well be you.:p ;)

But BSG is so totally different in tone, it's difficult to compare them. You can lump them both into the sci-fi category, but they're really different animals. Their appeal is as varied as their tone, one more light-hearted, one more deadly serious.
No question, and I had hoped that my prior post reflected I clearly recognized that fact.. And I tried to make clear that I thought that when Firefly was good, it was really, really good, and I truly enjoyed the cast a lot (maybe not the doctor, who could get irritating at times, but everyone else) but I found that for me at least, it was missing the mark as often or more than it was hitting it. To me, BSG’s win/lose ratio was definitely higher, and that’s why I referenced it for comparison. I realize that Josh Whedon has a legion of fans (although I’ve never been overly impressed by his work), and it seems to me that as much as this was supposed to be a pet project of his, he gave it shorter shrift in the execution than it may have deserved.
But they really have to be 1 & 2 in terms of quality, adult sci-fi that we've seen in the last decade or so. They set the bar high. I have to take exception to that, Arch. BSG…for certain. Firefly?? Again, as much as I liked it, and despite my initial take on the ‘Cowboys in Space’ theme, I would probably give the nod to Stargate SG-1 as #2 for the last decade, because as light-hearted as Firefly was, SG-1 would probably knock it out of the box for overall funniest eps, like the Groundhog Day take-off, and the annual self-parodies with a wink and a nod.

Of course, the stupid theme song - yes, I said it: it was stupid - didn't help dispel the perception that it was about "Cowboys in Space". If that had been what I thought the show was about, I wouldn't have watched it either.
Okay, then you should be able to appreciate where I’m coming from. Between the theme song, and whichever lackluster episode I caught the only time I saw it on the air, there was enough to turn me off. Now in 20-20 hindsight after watching the whole DVD set and Serenity, my attitude has changed, but there was always something about this series (even now) that made me feel like it was a ‘work in progress’.

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I liked the theme song to 'Firefly' a lot. Thought it hit the perfect "note" for the series. In fact, I'd consider it one of the all-time top 10 theme songs in TV history. Wish they'd have used it in the movie.

I liked the theme song to 'Firefly' a lot. Thought it hit the perfect "note" for the series. In fact, I'd consider it one of the all-time top 10 theme songs in TV history. Wish they'd have used it in the movie.
Well, clearly this is a subjective matter of personal taste. For me, "The Man they called Jayne" was a rousing and much better song particularly for a 'western', so much so that I burned it to an audio disk.

But then again, my favorite TV theme songs have included "The Prisoner", "The Wild Wild West", Al Hirt's rendition of "Flight of the Bumble Bee" for the Green Hornet", Peter Gunn, Hawaii Five-O and (not surprisingly) "Have Gun Will Travel", so take it for what its worth.

Hey, despite this being a HDTV forum, it might be fun to do a thread on favorite TV theme songs, assuming this hasn't occurred already.

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Well, clearly this is a subjective matter of personal taste. For me, "The Man they called Jayne" was a rousing and much better song particularly for a 'western', so much so that I burned it to an audio disk.

But then again, my favorite TV theme songs have included "The Prisoner", "The Wild Wild West", Al Hirt's rendition of "Flight of the Bumble Bee" for the Green Hornet", Peter Gunn, Hawaii Five-O and (not surprisingly) "Have Gun Will Travel", so take it for what its worth.

Hey, despite this being a HDTV forum, it might be fun to do a thread on favorite TV theme songs, assuming this hasn't occurred already.



I can't remember what the theme for 'The Prisoner' was, but I agree with all your other selections mentioned. I think you have to have 'Mission Impossible' and 'Hill Street Blues' in there for sure. Maybe even 'Dallas' for a wild card choice...? And for sheer feel-good bubble-gum pleasure: 'Family Affair' and 'Petticoat Junction'. :D

Hey, despite this being a HDTV forum, it might be fun to do a thread on favorite TV theme songs, assuming this hasn't occurred already.You're kiddin', right?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=862706

After season 3

Wonder if people's view has changed in light of the lack of competition due to the writers' strike.

Wonder if people's view has changed in light of the lack of competition due to the writers' strike.

Yup, they will run all the episodes

I saw the "leaked" pirated version earlier this year. It was apparently stolen from the production company or something...

Honestly, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Very good production values. For fans of the Terminator series, it was pretty decent.

I thought I read somewhere that this series was supposed to have a link to the upcoming T4 movie. I belive the Exec Producer said it. If that so and T4 is a sequal to T3( it happens in 2014 ten years after judgement day and Connors is supposed to be 30) then how can T3 be an alternate timeline and how is a 14/15 year old John in 2008 supposed to be 30 in 2014? I'm really looking forward to seeing them explain this.

As for how long it will last, well I think the writers strike is going to really help this show out and we will see atleast the entire first season.

Sarah Connor gets a full run of shows.

You have to consider that with the writers' strike still on, even the craptacular Bionic Woman has not been officially canned.

I liked the theme song to 'Firefly' a lot. Thought it hit the perfect "note" for the series. In fact, I'd consider it one of the all-time top 10 theme songs in TV history. Wish they'd have used it in the movie.

The word you're looking for is "frontispiece".

As for retooling that went into the film... the main goal of the film was to anchor itself to sci-fi. They ditched the bulk of the western motif, as what is still seen as a wise decision (how many top ten lists from this year include 3:10 to Yuma?).

Keep in mind, Firefly was more of a western than people realize -- zombie monsters and spaceships aside. Joss Whedon's references for source material for the show tend to lean toward the movies Stagecoach and The Wild Bunch.

Go back and really review what Stagecoach was, as a film, and compare it to the over-arching themes in Firefly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagecoach_%28film%29

Main themes of Stagecoach:

1. The morality police are evil and wrong, but are driving us and people like us out to the further and further fringes of encroaching civilization.

2. A group of assorted misfits on a journey.

3. A passenger comes aboard with a secret.

4. The Indians are on the warpath (sorry, but the Reavers == Indians complaint is legit).

Citing The Wild Bunch as source material gets a little hairier, simply because The Wild Bunch is influenced by the Seven Samurai, which in turn had been influenced by Stagecoach. However, a lot of the betrayal stories in Firefly are sourced more easily to The Wild Bunch.

Coming on the heals of the reception for Star Wars Ep 3 and the success of BSG, no one in their right mind would have sold Serenity as anything but a sci-fi film.

The truth is, the film is tighter, more coherent and more plot driven for the tinkering done. Whedon is a case of someone who badly needs other people editing and tightening down his work.

The big, super cool thing that comes out of it all is that Serenity was the first sci-fi film in a looooong time to actually have something relevant about the human condition, beyond "I like robots and aliens are cool!"

Wonder if people's view has changed in light of the lack of competition due to the writers' strike.
Well, as the guy who started this thread, I think all bets are off in light of the writer's strike. People will be so hungry for any kind of content (even the recycled variety) which isn't just reality TV, that anything with an arguable viewership (niche or otherwise) will seem like a cool breeze in the desert.

This poll was also reliant upon the "Fox' track record as a significant factor. However, at this point They are probably so desperate to keep riding the ratings they're not going to toss any babies out with the bathwater. And if sci fi is the flavor of the new year, we can count on remakes of The Time Tunnel, Land of the Giants, Lost in Space, ad nauseum.

And the best thing for Fox will be that THEY DON't need any writers. Just pull the old scripts out of mothballs, doll them up with a little CGI, and voila, before Dr. Smith can start muttering "the pain...the pain", you'll have a seasonful of yesterday's crap, for the 'X' generation.

Oh, Brave New World, that hath such people in it. :D

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It looks like the show isn't scheduled to go more than two months according to the schedule in this article:
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-foxmakesmidseasonchanges,0,3268077.story?coll=zap-news-headlines

Here's the revised premiere schedule for FOX:

Mondays


Beginning Jan. 14: "Prison Break" at 8 p.m.,
"Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" at 9 (which has a two-night premiere on Jan. 13-14).
Feb. 18: "Prison Break" season finale.
Feb. 25: "The Moment of Truth" at 8, "Sarah Connor" at 9.
March 3: Two-hour "Sarah Connor Chronicles" finale at 8.
Beginning March 10: "House" reruns at 8, "New Amsterdam" at 9
("New Amsterdam" ends with a two-hour finale on April 7).
Beginning April 14: "House" at 8, "Canterbury's Law" at 9.

So, just 10 epidsodes? Oh well.

So, just 10 epidsodes? Oh well.

Actually, by my count it looks like 9. It will be pre-empted by the State of the Union address on January 28.

It sounds like that's all they were able to shoot, not necessarily that's all they plan for there to be. It seems like they're doing the same thing as Lost.

It sounds like that's all they were able to shoot, not necessarily that's all they plan for there to be. It seems like they're doing the same thing as Lost.

Right, like most new shows, it had an initial 13 episode order, so theoretically, they should still shoot at least the last four when the strike ends.

This show looks truly awful. I am a Terminator fan, but this just seems to be fox's answer to Bionic Woman. Instead of one super woman, lets have 2! We will have the super mom, and the super teenage girl/terminator... that should cover the demographics. Bleh.

This show looks truly awful. I am a Terminator fan, but this just seems to be fox's answer to Bionic Woman. Instead of one super woman, lets have 2! We will have the super mom, and the super teenage girl/terminator... that should cover the demographics. Bleh.

I know this may be a radical idea, but maybe we should actually wait to see the show when it first airs before we start talking about how "awful it looks"...?

Just because 'Bionic Woman' was a flame-out, it doesn't mean this show must necessarily follow in those same high-heeled footsteps.

I know this may be a radical idea, but maybe we should actually wait to see the show when it first airs before we start talking about how "awful it looks"...?

Just because 'Bionic Woman' was a flame-out, it doesn't mean this show must necessarily follow in those same high-heeled footsteps.

My point was it seems obvious that they are going for demographics primarily. Seems like a committee designed show. Now maybe most are designed this way, but it seems over the top to me and blatant.

I like shows that appeal to my demographic or tastes - deliberate or not, if the show's entertaining, I'll be delighted.

Has a slight chance with all of the good programs running out of scripts.

I like shows that appeal to my demographic or tastes - deliberate or not, if the show's entertaining, I'll be delighted.

You don't find that shows that try to cast the widest net as possible don't end up watering it down to the point that enjoyment suffers?

Now maybe Terminator won't really suffer from this, but it seems so from the previews. Which are on constantly ;)

Has a slight chance with all of the good programs running out of scripts.

I wonder if they will break out the romance/tension between the teenage terminator and john connor in the first season.

I won't vote until after watching the first 2 episodes.

And pls change the poll, so that people can vote if they think the show will last for more than 1 season - at this time, I do.

I wonder if they will break out the romance/tension between the teenage terminator and john connor in the first season.


Hmmmmmm, a robot/human love story. Now WHERE was that ever done....:rolleyes:

Hmmmmmm, a robot/human love story. Now WHERE was that ever done....:rolleyes:

hehe, you know it's coming, just a matter of when ;)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/television/reviews/article_display.jsp?&rid=10434

USA Today gave it 3.5 out of 4 stars.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/reviews/2008-01-10-sarah-connor_N.htm

I think they'll find a way to insert "Terminator" in the title and it will last at least through its rookie season.
I agree. I think the title is lame as is and that excluding "Terminator" from it is a definite no no. Let's hope you're prediction will come true.
Yeah, I am inclined to agree that the show will last through at least the end of the season, too.

I saw a review of the show in the local counterculture weekly while I was waiting to get my car washed yesterday. For what it’s worth, the reviewer thought the show was excellent. The reviewers in that paper are a pretty cynical bunch, so I take some solace from the high marks the guy writing the Terminator review gave it. I was encouraged enough to set up a season pass.

By the way, it was the OP who eliminated “Terminator” from the show’s title, not Fox. According to Fox’s Web site, the name of the show is “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.”

By the way, it was the OP who eliminated “Terminator” from the show’s title, not Fox. According to Fox’s Web site, the name of the show is “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.”
For what it's worth, that post was made back when the show was originally called "The Sarah Connor Chronicles". It was only recently rebadged.

By the way, it was the OP who eliminated “Terminator” from the show’s title, not Fox. According to Fox’s Web site, the name of the show is “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.”

Actually, throughout the shows development, it was only referred to as "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." That's what Fox called it when it announced their 2007-08 schedule in May. The word "Terminator" was not added to the title until October. The Futon Critic has an archive of all the news about the show here: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch.aspx?id=sarah_connor_chronicles

So, at the time this poll was started Palladin was correct with the title.

Edit: NetworkTV beat me to it with a quick response while I was wasting time looking up that link. :)

Edit: NetworkTV beat me to it with a quick response while I was wasting time looking up that link. :)
That's because I took the gamble that my memory was as good as actual research. I threw caution to the wind and chose "speedy" over "high percentage of accuracy"... ;)

That's because I took the gamble that my memory was as good as actual research. I threw caution to the wind and chose "speedy" over "high percentage of accuracy"... ;)

Well, that is the way to do things these days. :D

By the way, it was the OP who eliminated “Terminator” from the show’s title, not Fox. According to Fox’s Web site, the name of the show is “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.”
Thanks to Rocky and Network for recalling I'm not as sloppy with postings as you suggest. :p Hell, the word "Terminator" is the only thing close to being good in the silly title anyway. In fact, I recall discussion here back then about how if Fox had half a brain, they would stick the "Terminator" in the title for its recognition value.

Y' know, I always thought Summer Glau was cute in Firefly & 4400, but last night I realized that she has this great girl next-door/hot sexiness thing going for her, kind of Christina Ricci without the chubby period.

I found the show very disappointing overall, unless all the audience wants is scaled down special effects/action scenes, which certainly pale next to other series like BSG, Heroes, Lost, etc. I ehought the Mom and kid leads were on the leaden side as well, but not sure if its the scripting, acting, direction, or all of the above.

Smartest thing Fox could do is retool the concept, and premiere a new series in February entitled "The Summer Glau in Various States of Undress" Show, which I predict will yeild stellar ratings. ;)

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Smartest thing Fox could do is retool the concept, and premiere a new series in February entitled "The Summer Glau in Various States of Undress" Show, which I predict will yeild stellar ratings. ;)



Interesting concept, perhaps better suited for a weekly on Skinemax.

Interesting concept, perhaps better suited for a weekly on Skinemax.

Hmmm. Don't subscribe to Cinemax, but if the show lives up to its title and has a good HD bit-rate, I'd be tempted to 'Follow the Sum' ;)

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Smartest thing Fox could do is retool the concept, and premiere a new series in February entitled "The Summer Glau in Various States of Undress" Show, which I predict will yeild stellar ratings. ;)


I'd pay a lot of money to watch that

She's the only thing keeping the show afloat

Also, depending on the ratings tonight...I bet it will make it past the Drive-mark...

Also, depending on the ratings tonight...I bet it will make it past the Drive-mark...
Just on the hot suggested nudity alone...

Looks like ratings have been very good thus far.

I see in the overall TV ratings for last week, the pilot episode of Terminator:TSCC was #4 of all shows (only 3 football games were higher rated) and even beat CSI!
Don't think any scifi TV series has ever done that before.

I see in the overall TV ratings for last week, the pilot episode of Terminator:TSCC was #4 of all shows (only 3 football games were higher rated) and even beat CSI!
Don't think any scifi TV series has ever done that before.
Well, as I noted a few posts back, that's hardly surprising in light of the almost complete lack of other new competitve content in prime time, other than the reality crap that barely qualifies as 'content', due to the writer's strike and because its directed to a pre-established niche genre audience.

Let's wait and see what happens if and when it goes up against 'Heroes' on Monday nights (despite its abysmal second season), or someone is smart enough to grab the only interesting thing on the show, and launch "The Summer Glau in various states of undress" show I suggested when the pilot aired. ;)

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Well, as I noted a few posts back, that's hardly surprising in light of the almost complete lack of other new competitve content in prime time, other than the reality crap that barely qualifies as 'content', due to the writer's strike and because its directed to a pre-established niche genre audience.
I am inclined to agree that the scarcity of new episodes of other shows has contributed to the Terminator series' early success. Still, it’s a pretty good show, which I have found surprisingly interesting so far. I’m not a huge fan of the sci-fi genre, although I do like Battlestar Galactica a lot and have found Dr. Who to be occasionally interesting. The idea of a very tough mother’s struggles against evil robots to see that her son survives to become the noble leader of his endangered people is a plot device that clearly has legs. :)

The idea of a very tough mother’s struggles against evil robots to see that her son survives to become the noble leader of his endangered people is a plot device that clearly has legs. :)
..at least two very nice sets, IMO. ;)

..at least two very nice sets [of legs], IMO. ;)
Yep, yep, yep! You can't beat the eye candy on this show. :)

Let's wait and see what happens if and when it goes up against 'Heroes' on Monday nights (despite its abysmal second season), or someone is smart enough to grab the only interesting thing on the show, and launch "The Summer Glau in various states of undress" show I suggested when the pilot aired. ;)



I made that suggestion regarding the far-more-voluptuous Michelle Ryan and her 'Bionic Woman' months ago, it fell on deaf ears at NBC, and now look where that show is.... in limbo, teetering on the edge of the trash heap ready to fall in. Will the Fox folks pay more heed to you, my friend? The future of their show hangs in the balance!

Skin always wins, you morons! Have you learned nothing from the wheezing death throes of challenging, intelligent TV?? Give the frothing masses what they want, and you shall achieve ratings nirvana. Ignore them at your peril.

My work here is done.

;)

far-more-voluptuous Michelle Ryan

Huh? :confused:

Clearly the cold weather has numbed your synapses. :)

Huh? :confused:

Clearly the cold weather has numbed your synapses. :)

Wait a minute, you're kidding right? You think Summer Glau is even close to being up there with Michelle Ryan in the voluptuous department? I know 'Bionic' has been off the air for a few months, so let me refresh your flagging memory with this pic....

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1065/michelleryan0114ne2.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=michelleryan0114ne2.jpg)


Never, not with the most technologically advanced wonder-bra or cleverly concealed padding, could Summer even hope to fill out that dress in that way. She still looks like an underdeveloped 12 year old boy to me. Cute face, sure, but let's get "real" here!

Wait a minute, you're kidding right? You think Summer Glau is even close to being up there with Michelle Ryan in the voluptuous department? I know 'Bionic' has been off the air for a few months, so let me refresh your flagging memory with this pic....

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1065/michelleryan0114ne2.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=michelleryan0114ne2.jpg)


Never, not with the most technologically advanced wonder-bra or cleverly concealed padding, could Summer even hope to fill out that dress in that way. She still looks like an underdeveloped 12 year old boy to me. Cute face, sure, but let's get "real" here!

Don't forget the part about Summer having a personality. Michelle is like a lump up there.

Wait a minute, you're kidding right? You think Summer Glau is even close to being up there with Michelle Ryan in the voluptuous department? I know 'Bionic' has been off the air for a few months, so let me refresh your flagging memory with this pic....

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1065/michelleryan0114ne2.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=michelleryan0114ne2.jpg):eek: She sure didn't look like that in EastEnders!

Don't forget the part about Summer having a personality. Michelle is like a lump up there.

Well, in defense of Ryan, she was much better and more natural in that episode where she didn't have to fake an American accent. I honestly believe that kind of inhibits her. And that's a terrible thing, her being inhibited 'n all.

Well, in defense of Ryan, she was much better and more natural in that episode where she didn't have to fake an American accent. I honestly believe that kind of inhibits her. And that's a terrible thing, her being inhibited 'n all.

I'm all for her letting them out. Oops...:eek: That's not what I meant. No, really. I think the girl who plays her little sister is 10x hotter.

I made that suggestion regarding the far-more-voluptuous Michelle Ryan and her 'Bionic Woman' months ago, it fell on deaf ears at NBC, and now look where that show is.... in limbo, teetering on the edge of the trash heap ready to fall in. Will the Fox folks pay more heed to you, my friend? The future of their show hangs in the balance!

Skin always wins, you morons! Have you learned nothing from the wheezing death throes of challenging, intelligent TV?? Give the frothing masses what they want, and you shall achieve ratings nirvana. Ignore them at your peril.

My work here is done.

;)
Okay, let me add some perspective to this. No question that Ryan is the more voluptuous tempting morsel, assuming they're real (AND, with a nod to Teri Hatcher on Seinfeld) they're SPECTACULAR, and they certainly seem to...ahem, enhance that outfitl. But I look at Ryan as a hot summer (no pun intended) romance, so I only have to put up with references to the 'loo' and the 'lift' for a short time, and then I can lay Ryan off on one of my buds; while long term, after Summer gets the expensive natural implants I'll insist upon, she'll be a keeper. ;)

Now Lost is the exact opposite. Are you a Kate man or a Juliet man? I'd definitely take Juliet over Kate in a flash, because besides the bod, Juliet's got that real sensual thing going for her. Maybe we need a poll in the spirit of the Miss Battlestar Galactica beauty pageant? :D

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^^^Well, they're definitely real, and they certainly look spectacular in that photo. Shame on NBC for not putting her in more revealing clothes so we could make a better assessment. But, like I've said, they're paying the price now as their investment slowly sinks into the Nielsen tarpit. When the show is weak, you've got to fall back on tried and true T & A. :D

And I'm absolutely a Juliet man. Like you say, there's just something about her.....

I'm more of a Grace Park kinda guy myself.

I'm more of a Grace Park kinda guy myself.

A skinnier Summer. Prettier though, IMO.

I'm more of a Grace Park kinda guy myself.
Me too. I will absolutely guarantee that you will never look at that picture you posted of Ms. Park again after you check out this post some clever fellow (don't remember who) put on the Miss Battlestar Galactica Beauty Pageant Run-off thread last year. ;)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10363185#post10363185

A skinnier Summer. Prettier though, IMO.
Sigh. You just had to go after my Achilles heel, didn't you? ;) Okay, this one's tough, particularly as I figure Grace for the better shiatsu, but I figure Summer will keep me young longer. This is the kind of dilemma that could let me die a happy man. :) Ahh, who am I kidding? Grace by a length

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

Wait a minute, you're kidding right? You think Summer Glau is even close to being up there with Michelle Ryan in the voluptuous department? I know 'Bionic' has been off the air for a few months, so let me refresh your flagging memory with this pic....

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1065/michelleryan0114ne2.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=michelleryan0114ne2.jpg)


Never, not with the most technologically advanced wonder-bra or cleverly concealed padding, could Summer even hope to fill out that dress in that way. She still looks like an underdeveloped 12 year old boy to me. Cute face, sure, but let's get "real" here!

First of all let me say......


.... we never saw anything like that on Bionic Woman. She certainly would be considered more endowed than Summer. However, I'd still consider Summer more "voluptuous" in the true sense of the word. Big chest/butter face vs. drop dead gorgeous/proportional chest...... I'll take the later.

Yeah, it's definately this order, from my standpoint:

1) Grace
2) Summer
3) Yvonne
4) Julia
3) Michelle

You'll notice I added Yvonne Strahovski and Julia Ling from 'Chuck' into the mix, just as long as we're talking genre TV babes.

Yeah, it's definately this order, from my standpoint:

1) Grace
2) Summer
3) Yvonne
4) Julia
3) Michelle

You'll notice I added Yvonne Strahovski and Julia Ling from 'Chuck' into the mix, just as long as we're talking genre TV babes.
I wasn't really focusing on genre here, but okay. Only saw Chuck once, and was actually thinking of the blonde (Yvonne) but didn't know her name and was too lazy to look her up.

But if we're stretching the genre thing that much, I'd toss in Kristin Chenoweth of Pushing Daisies, even though she's a little too flashy for my own personal tastes, who someone (I think Archiguy) once remarked that the constant appearance of her sweater puppies warranted their own end credits.

So are they real, or are they Mammorex? ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

But if we're stretching the genre thing that much, I'd toss in Kristin Chenoweth of Pushing Daisies, even though she's a little too flashy for my own personal tastes, who someone (I think Archiguy) once remarked that the constant appearance of her sweater puppies warranted their own end credits.

So are they real, or are they Mammorex? ;)



Real. And they're spectacular. Easily one of TV's "Best Racks". (now who's got enough guts to start a poll?) :D :D

Easy to see why Aaron Sorkin was so smitten by her. ;)

Summer does not have the "best" body or the "prettiest" face, but roll it all together and she has a very sexy quality.

What, no love for Moon Bloodgood of Journeyman?

Easily the sexiest woman on TV lately...

Me too. I will absolutely guarantee that you will never look at that picture you posted of Ms. Park again after you check out this post some clever fellow (don't remember who) put on the Miss Battlestar Galactica Beauty Pageant Run-off thread last year. ;)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10363185#post10363185


Sigh. You just had to go after my Achilles heel, didn't you? ;) Okay, this one's tough, particularly as I figure Grace for the better shiatsu, but I figure Summer will keep me young longer. This is the kind of dilemma that could let me die a happy man. :) Ahh, who am I kidding? Grace by a length

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

Now THAT'S my kind of toaster! She can warm up my breadstick anytime.

Summer/Grace is too close to call.

We need an oil wrestling cage match to determine a winner.

What, no love for Moon Bloodgood of Journeyman?

Easily the sexiest woman on TV lately...

Oh yes, lotta' love for Moon. She would definitely have to be considered in the poll. :)

(Summer and Grace put together wouldn't have a prayer of making it; although I'm not denying the appeal of that cage match. ;) )

Gotta say, Summer didn't look half-bad, half-naked...

Fox definitely knows what this audience wants

Glau looks much better than the bionic girl without makeup.

Alright, after watching the first three shows, and reading this thread, other than the physical appearance of the female nymphette, nobody has really commented on the premise of the show itself.

I watched all 3 Terminator movies previous to watching the series, and it seems as if they are ignoring the third movie even happened at all- at least until episode 3 where they acknowledge that Sarah Connor died from cancer, but in T3 her epitaph reads she died in 1997, which is even more confusing because in the TV series the
female Terminator says she dies in 2005?:confused:

"and it seems as if they are ignoring the third movie even happened at all"

They are just giving the fans what they want.

Personally, I really like this show. Hope they give it a decent chance to survive.

1) Grace
2) Summer
3) Yvonne
4) Julia
3) Michelle I fully endorse this list and the order. :D However, if you've seen Julia Ling on Studio 60 or ER, you might have to consider bumping her up a place or two. ;)

On an unrelated note, are we ever going to see the Sarah Connor threads merged? I love the show and all, but does it really need two separate discussions?

Alright, after watching the first three shows, and reading this thread, other than the physical appearance of the female nymphette, nobody has really commented on the premise of the show itself.



It has a premise? I must have missed that.

Frankly, if it had any real competition, it would be in trouble.

What, no love for Moon Bloodgood of Journeyman?

Easily the sexiest woman on TV lately...
She gets big love from me bro :D:D:D
I think it was second to last episode where she and Dan popped into that 1987 high-tech computer firm looking for Dan's lost 2007 digital camera. Moon is wearing some sort of skimpy little low cut lingerie number... looking for cover behind a cubicle because she's wearing almost nothing. She suddenly sees Dan appear and says "Oh! Thank god it's you!"... Dan gives her the old once over with that skimpy little outfit on and he says "I'm thanking god it's me!".
The 33 YO Moon Bloodgood puts these kids (Summer and Michelle Ryan) to shame with her mature killer looks and body!
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Moon%20Bloodgood-2.jpg

*Points fingers at all of those who said this would be cancelled*


















oh wait I think I said it would be cancelled

*Points fingers at all of those who said this would be cancelled*

Boy, you must be bored. :p Where the hell did you find this one? Almost a year old and practically no posts in the intervening period. :eek: ;)

Well, I guess this further supports the H. L. Mencken quote I posted
yesterday in another thread, to wit:

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public

I can only imagine that the TSCC viewers must have plenty of money to burn! :D

oh wait I think I said it would be cancelled

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Hmmm. Guess things must be pretty slow around ye ole' Playstation Network, huh? ;)

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

If you remember, Dark Angel was actually good during the first season when she was playing muscle and kicking bad guy butt on behalf of the citizens of the city.

Agreed, and it had the imprimatur of Cameron who was hot, hot, hot at that time. But Season 2 was the kind of thing you try not to step into.OK; that was scary....oh, you meant the director! But between us, I think Summer-Cameron is the hotter of the two.....:p

Boy, you must be bored. :p Where the hell did you find this one? Almost a year old and practically no posts in the intervening period. :eek: ;)

Believe it or not but this thread was on the 2nd page of my subscribed threads (and it was at the top)...haha...I guess I only post in a few different threads ;)

I can find some other old ones for you if you want :D