I'm finally ending this, I've decided I'm either buying a Slimfit TXT3093WH/TX-T3092WH OR a Vizio VX32L LCD. I'm assuming the Slimfit will have the advantage in black levels and shadow detail but the Vizio will be sharper but may have too much edge enhancement. Which do you think will look the best overall? It will be used mostly for gaming in my dorm and maybe some movies on Blu-Ray every now and then.

Or should I spring the extra $100-$150 for a Vizio VX37L?

I'm finally ending this, I've decided I'm either buying a Slimfit TXT3093WH/TX-T3092WH OR a Vizio VX32L LCD. I'm assuming the Slimfit will have the advantage in black levels and shadow detail but the Vizio will be sharper but may have too much edge enhancement. Which do you think will look the best overall? It will be used mostly for gaming in my dorm and maybe some movies on Blu-Ray every now and then.

Yes, absolutely.

Or should I spring the extra $100-$150 for a Vizio VX37L?

Absolutely maybe.

Yes, absolutely.

Absolutely what? You didn't answer my question.

The SlimFit

Slimfit....

after looking at LCD's for a couple of days lately helping out a friend with his purchase decision, i just couldn't stand the motion blur and the blacks just aren't there yet and probably never will be with an LCD.. I din't think they are even capable of an absolute black.

Slimfit....

after looking at LCD's for a couple of days lately helping out a friend with his purchase decision, i just couldn't stand the motion blur and the blacks just aren't there yet and probably never will be with an LCD.. I din't think they are even capable of an absolute black.

Yea that concern came up, black levels don't even have me worried as much as shadow detail. Even on my Macbooks 1080p Apple Cinema Display that delivers quite possibly the best blacks I've seen on a non-CRT you can't see anything in dark areas. I guess my main concern with the Slimfit is geometry but from what I hear the new models don't have as many problems as the old ones.

After a quick browse of the Slimfit thread I'm a little wary about reliability on these sets as well.

I'm finally ending this, I've decided I'm either buying a Slimfit TXT3093WH/TX-T3092WH OR a Vizio VX32L LCD. I'm assuming the Slimfit will have the advantage in black levels and shadow detail but the Vizio will be sharper but may have too much edge enhancement. Which do you think will look the best overall? It will be used mostly for gaming in my dorm and maybe some movies on Blu-Ray every now and then.

Or should I spring the extra $100-$150 for a Vizio VX37L?

Jesus I remember you back, long time ago, talking about getting a XBR970 on the
weekend. Now I see your post throughout this forum still talking about "I'm going
to get this or I'm going to get that". Make up your mind. I find it a little annoying
now, no offense just a little observation.

Jesus I remember you back, long time ago, talking about getting a XBR970 on the
weekend. Now I see your post throughout this forum still talking about "I'm going
to get this or I'm going to get that". Make up your mind. I find it a little annoying
now, no offense just a little observation.

Then ignore it because I don't give a **** what you think. I couldn't get the XBR970 because I couldn't find one and I was nervous about buying the one I was looking at online. So now I'm just trying to find a friggin TV before September, you think this is annoying? Try being in my friggin shoes.

The Sleazio Samfit LCDRT is totally the one you want. You'll love it.

The Sleazio Samfit LCDRT is totally the one you want. You'll love it.

So you're how old? 10? 11 maybe? If you have something to contribute please feel free to do so, otherwise stop wasting my time.

Post this in the LCD forum, and I'll bet you get the opposite recommendation. Frankly, I think you're going to get what you pay for. My friend just got one of the Slimfits, and compared to the XBR970, it looks like crap to me. But then so does the Vizio compared to Samsungs or Sonys IMO. But then both look a hell of a lot better than my 15yo Zenith.

Just from my own research, the Vizios appear to be more reliable than the Slimfits, FWIW. I'm as frustrated as you are trying to find a good CRT.

I would definitely be concerned about the reliability of the Samsung, but it will have a better picture. I wouldn't even consider buying an LCD, personally. If that 37" Vizio isn't too big for you, then look at 37 - 42" plasmas.

I would definitely be concerned about the reliability of the Samsung, but it will have a better picture. I wouldn't even consider buying an LCD, personally. If that 37" Vizio isn't too big for you, then look at 37 - 42" plasmas.

37"-42" plasmas are out of my price range. I hardly expect to get an XBR970 like picture in my price range but I'd like to get the best I can.

Then ignore it because I don't give a **** what you think. I couldn't get the XBR970 because I couldn't find one and I was nervous about buying the one I was looking at online. So now I'm just trying to find a friggin TV before September, you think this is annoying? Try being in my friggin shoes.
It's not hard to buy a TV. Many people here do it without 300 threads of comparing
different TV's :rolleyes:

It's not hard to buy a TV. Many people here do it without 300 threads of comparing
different TV's :rolleyes:

Many people have money and don't live 2 hours from the closest CC. Here's a thought: If you don't wanna be helpful then just don't waste your time reading my threads and stop being a dick. I've already told you why I didn't buy the TVs I was comparing before and now I'm looking at different options. I would simply like the opinions of those who would like to give them. You however are clearly more interested in being a douche than being helpful.

Many people have money and don't live 2 hours from the closest CC. Here's a thought: If you don't wanna be helpful then just don't waste your time reading my threads and stop being a dick. I've already told you why I didn't buy the TVs I was comparing before and now I'm looking at different options. I would simply like the opinions of those who would like to give them. You however are clearly more interested in being a douche than being helpful.


Oooooh...I've got an idea...how about everybody stops reading your threads?

Oooooh...I've got an idea...how about everybody stops reading your threads?

Or how about just the people like yourself and like.no.other who seem to be more interested in complaining that somebody made a thread than actually being helpful. I'm actually very grateful to the people who have offered their opinions.

Many people have money and don't live 2 hours from the closest CC. Here's a thought: If you don't wanna be helpful then just don't waste your time reading my threads and stop being a dick. I've already told you why I didn't buy the TVs I was comparing before and now I'm looking at different options. I would simply like the opinions of those who would like to give them. You however are clearly more interested in being a douche than being helpful.
How old are you? Why are you so angry? How come you can't afford a HDTV if the
XBR970 go as little as $500 these days? People wasting your time to reply to your
own thread and you don't use those advice instead jumping over to another TV
making another thread and make people do the same for you not to take the advice.
I'm not pissed or anything I am annoyed. Plus it's nothing to get mad about.

How old are you? Why are you so angry? How come you can't afford a HDTV if the
XBR970 go as little as $500 these days? People wasting your time to reply to your
own thread and you don't use those advice instead jumping over to another TV
making another thread and make people do the same for you not to take the advice.
I'm not pissed or anything I am annoyed. Plus it's nothing to get mad about.

I've mentioned this before as well.

But it is pointless to continually bring it up.

He doesn't care.

But, that being said, it is his money to spend as carefully as he wants.

Hopefully college will teach him HOW to make a decision. Right or wrong, just make one.

With this type of decision making, he would make a good politician.

Anyway, to the issue at hand.

Bkchurch,

It "seems" like you are AFRAID to part with the money you have.

That is why there is all this indecision on your part.

Understand one thing about electronics:

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to keep up with the Jones' with regards to technology.

You buy that Vizio VX32L(which I think is a nice unit. Not great blacks, but for overall VALUE, it is at the top), and it will be REPLACED within a couple of months.

A "new" Vizio will appear, and it may be 1080p at 32", AT THE SAME PRICE.

No way to keep up with it. Unless you are a Rockefeller(or Trump, Murdoch, Gates, etc....)

The new models will be appearing soon for the holidays, making the current pickings seem "obsolete", which of course is not true(to a point).

You can keep waiting, and second guessing yourself.

It will never end if you do that.

Just out of curiosity:

What do you CURRENTLY have for a TV? If you decided not to get anything, what would you have?

If a new TV will be a DRASTIC improvement over what you currently have, then just get one.

The Sammy's(in the CRT version. There LCD's are VERY NICE) have WAY TOO MANY ISSUES to be considered IMHO.

No quality control.

Too much of a chance on getting one you don't like.

So you're how old? 10? 11 maybe? If you have something to contribute please feel free to do so, otherwise stop wasting my time.

LOL I thought it was pretty funny. I didn't realize lighthearted humor was off limits in this thread so I'll get down to business. I happen to have friends who have both of the tvs you're considering, or close to the same models. My friend with the slimfit likes it, but wishes he went the LCD route. My friend with the visio is happy with his tv. I personally think you'll be happy with either one since it's (im assuming) going to be an upgrade from an SD tv, so I'm sure you'll be pleased with either one for the time being. Just like anyone else, once the novelty of the new tv wears off you're gonna wish you had something bigger and better.

Ok, folks I really have to apologize. I've been a bit of a dick and I apologize I'm not here to make enemies and I'm a little frustrated and it wasn't right for me to be dink when you guys have helped me so much.

This whole thing has just been very annoying for me and I just want to find the best TV I can, it's frustrating the hell out of me for two reasons:

1) I don't have a TV and haven't had one for a month, I gave my 32" Sharp to my parents for an anniversary present to replace some no-name piece of crap 20" they had before. If this wasn't summer and I wasn't spending my time doing other things I would have gone mental by now.

2) This whole jump to HD SUCKS! My 32" SD Sharp had awesome PQ for an SDTV, accurate color, true deep blacks with excellent shadow detail, and very nice contrast. But now to go HD in my price range it seems there isn't anyway to get there without buying a TV that weighs 200lbs.(Sony CRT) or sacrificing my black levels and shadow detail (LCD).

Anyway I apologize and I'm just gonna make a decision and sacrifice whatever PQ I need to and put this behind me. I'm going to CC on Friday and I'll probably pick up a VX37L. Thanks for the help you guys have given me it's all been very appreciated.

O btw like.no.other I can't afford an XBR970 because there hasn't been one for sale within 4 hours of where I live since May. There is a 30XS955 on Amazon right now for $450 if anybody's lookin for a SFP CRT, I'd buy it but I'm not sure I trust the seller, he's new and that price seems to good for something to not be wrong with it but if anyone else doesn't mind the risk you may wanna check it out.

Good luck with whatever choice you make. I know it will be a good one because you have definitely done your homework. :rolleyes:

People here hate admit it, but LCD TV's are the future, and they keep getting better and cheaper as the technology evolves. Sometimes on really hot days like today, I don't even want to turn on my XBR970 because of all the heat it puts out. And I dread the day I will have to move it.

Plus, you can always return whatever you pick out, so it's not like you're stuck with it. In fact an LCD is much easier to return than a 200 lb CRT. So good luck and happy shopping. :)

Ok, folks I really have to apologize.

Ah, forget it. I probably was too but I'm not a big enough man to ever apologize for anything. :D

You may be happier with that LCD, considering your circumstances and the likelihood of moving frequently in college. That XBR970 is a great set, but honestly may not be ideal for a dorm room situation. Happy gaming.

Ah, forget it. I probably was too but I'm not a big enough man to ever apologize for anything. :D

You may be happier with that LCD, considering your circumstances and the likelihood of moving frequently in college. That XBR970 is a great set, but honestly may not be ideal for a dorm room situation. Happy gaming.

Thanks, that's another thing I was thinking of. I just have a tendency to be stubborn and don't like to settle for anything short of the best, at this point I think I'll just be happy to have a TV again =)

1) I don't have a TV and haven't had one for a month, I gave my 32" Sharp to my parents for an anniversary present to replace some no-name piece of crap 20" they had before. If this wasn't summer and I wasn't spending my time doing other things I would have gone mental by now.

2) This whole jump to HD SUCKS! My 32" SD Sharp had awesome PQ for an SDTV, accurate color, true deep blacks with excellent shadow detail, and very nice contrast. But now to go HD in my price range it seems there isn't anyway to get there without buying a TV that weighs 200lbs.(Sony CRT) or sacrificing my black levels and shadow detail (LCD).

Anyway I apologize and I'm just gonna make a decision and sacrifice whatever PQ I need to and put this behind me. I'm going to CC on Friday and I'll probably pick up a VX37L. Thanks for the help you guys have given me it's all been very appreciated.


Wow, you gave your tv to your parents.

Nice kid.

Anyway, if you decided on the VX37L from Vizio at CC, here are somet tips:

1. They will try there DAMNDEST to sell you all the periferals. Cables, surge protectors, EXTENDED WARRANTIES(capitalized for a reason, which I will get too).

You name it, they are going to try to push it on you. Just ALWAYS SAY NO. Even be super firm.

Just tell them you have all that stuff already, and it is MONSTER equipment(surge protector, cables, etc...) even if it is not true. This usually SHUTS THEM UP pretty quick since they have been brainwashed into thinking that Monster or THX cables/equipment was the be all, end all.

Do all this until:

2. THEY GET TO TRYING TO SELL YOU THE WARRANTY.

Now it is your turn to be a real dick/frugal bastard on them. This whole time you have been telling them you are on a budget, and now it is time for them to push the 3-year extended warranty.

Now you begin to "Act" somewhat interested in the 3-year coverage(Vizio has a 1 year coverage by the way which is pretty good), but you tell them "This is going to put me out of my budget."

Look a little dejected, and then say to them, "Look, i am interested in the warranty, but that extra $100/for 3 years is going to put me over my alloted budget, which I have to explain to my significant other(not true of course ;) ). Do you think you could do better on the price of the tv? I mean, maybe knocking something more off of the price? I can't justify the extra $100. I will think about it, but you have got to be a little more laxed on the price and take more off."

Now, not all the time(this is not full poof), they usually will knock of another $50 or more(sometime's another 10% off the price of the tv which would be like $80).

And they usually want to know if you are taking this tv home yourself, to avoid them delivering it, since they are making nothing on the TV.

But these schlubs get the big pats on the back by selling the accessories and the darn WARRANTIES, so they are usually pretty eager to work with you.

It has worked for me COUNTLESS times at CC, BB, and Sears. You name it.

I usually end up getting out of there with the extended warranty either for free(because of the discount to the tv), or maybe for a few bucks. Either way I get the 3 year coverage at a bargain based price.

They are usually desperate to sell that warranty.

Use that to your advantage. :)

Wow, you gave your tv to your parents.

Nice kid.

Anyway, if you decided on the VX37L from Vizio at CC, here are somet tips:

1. They will try there DAMNDEST to sell you all the periferals. Cables, surge protectors, EXTENDED WARRANTIES(capitalized for a reason, which I will get too).

You name it, they are going to try to push it on you. Just ALWAYS SAY NO. Even be super firm.

Just tell them you have all that stuff already, and it is MONSTER equipment(surge protector, cables, etc...) even if it is not true. This usually SHUTS THEM UP pretty quick since they have been brainwashed into thinking that Monster or THX cables/equipment was the be all, end all.

Do all this until:

2. THEY GET TO TRYING TO SELL YOU THE WARRANTY.

Now it is your turn to be a real dick/frugal bastard on them. This whole time you have been telling them you are on a budget, and now it is time for them to push the 3-year extended warranty.

Now you begin to "Act" somewhat interested in the 3-year coverage(Vizio has a 1 year coverage by the way which is pretty good), but you tell them "This is going to put me out of my budget."

Look a little dejected, and then say to them, "Look, i am interested in the warranty, but that extra $100/for 3 years is going to put me over my alloted budget, which I have to explain to my significant other(not true of course ;) ). Do you think you could do better on the price of the tv? I mean, maybe knocking something more off of the price? I can't justify the extra $100. I will think about it, but you have got to be a little more laxed on the price and take more off."

Now, not all the time(this is not full poof), they usually will knock of another $50 or more(sometime's another 10% off the price of the tv which would be like $80).

And they usually want to know if you are taking this tv home yourself, to avoid them delivering it, since they are making nothing on the TV.

But these schlubs get the big pats on the back by selling the accessories and the darn WARRANTIES, so they are usually pretty eager to work with you.

It has worked for me COUNTLESS times at CC, BB, and Sears. You name it.

I usually end up getting out of there with the extended warranty either for free(because of the discount to the tv), or maybe for a few bucks. Either way I get the 3 year coverage at a bargain based price.

They are usually desperate to sell that warranty.

Use that to your advantage. :)

Well already I'm using a 10% coupon and I'm gonna see if I can get them to price match Sam's Clubs $750 price tag as opposed to their $800 price beforehand so if all goes well I'll be getting it $675 plus tax which puts it at about $710 if all goes to plan. If they won't do both a price match and a coupon I can still snag it for $756 after tax. So I doubt I'll be able to talk them down much fortunately I come from a family of businessmen so I know how to haggle and I fancy myself a fair bit more intelligent than the average CC employee so I think I should be alright. Thanks for the advice though, I never thought to tell them I had all Monster equipment. I would have been stupid enough to try to argue with them that I can get equal quality items at half the price through Monoprice.

It is done, bought the Vizio VX37L at Sam's (I like their one year unconditional warranty so it was worth the extra $30 I ended up paying for it). Out of the box I quite like it, it's not a CRT but the color is great and the blacks aren't that bad all in all I think I'm gonna love it. With this I say goodbye and thank you to all the people I have driven absolutely crazy over the past god knows how many months.

Im new to this forum but this topic is something i have experience with.

I bought a VX37L from CC only 5 days ago.

They had all their Monster stuff hanging off of racks that were displaying the wrong price (on purpose perhaps?) I picked up a monster cable knowing how much it was really supposed to cost... and proceeded to buy it with my TV. Everything was so well organized... it wasn't like the Monster stuff was mistakenly placed there...

So.... the guy says well.. the cables are actually 150 bucks instead of 50 bucks.

I tell him to give them to me for 50 since they are mismarked.

He says he'll go talk to the manager.

He comes back and tells me no... the reason being that anyone could have come in here and moved them around... LOLLOLOLOLOL.

Yeah right... it was WAY to organized.

I ended up buying the TV with no cables... ordered new 1.3 spec HDMI from monoprice instead.

BUT... I plan on returning it within 30 days. I'm going to go to Sam's and get one for the very same reason you stated.

Unconditional 1 year guarantee...

The TV is great though... Discover Channel in HD is rediculous.

I wouldn't even pay $50 for Monster, not only can I get the same thing for $10 at Monoprice (especially if it's digital) but Monster cables are made too big for some reason and break HDMI inputs. Anyway yea, CC employees aren't that intelligent anyway.

It is done, bought the Vizio VX37L at Sam's (I like their one year unconditional warranty so it was worth the extra $30 I ended up paying for it). Out of the box I quite like it, it's not a CRT but the color is great and the blacks aren't that bad all in all I think I'm gonna love it. With this I say goodbye and thank you to all the people I have driven absolutely crazy over the past god knows how many months.

I'm sorry for my lack of patience with your "vision quest." It's a bad habit to accept too many compromises when buying something, and you are blessed to be uncontaminated by that vice.

I hope you can tell us more about the set, since some of us here have a little time and concern invested. "the color is great and the blacks aren't that bad" is not going to go very far in satisfying my own curiosity.

Are the viewing angles decent? Are there any service menu settings to play with? Have you used a calibration disc yet to set the color, sharpness, white and black levels? Also, do you notice any ghosting during scenes with fast movement like sporting events? How good do SD programs look in a non-native resolution?

Sorry for bombarding you, but I want to know. I hope the moderator look the other way and not move the thread to the LCD section. If you start any threads over there please keep us posted. Thanks bk, and here's to good luck and good times with your new set.:)

I'm sorry for my lack of patience with your "vision quest." It's a bad habit to accept too many compromises when buying something, and you are blessed to be uncontaminated by that vice.

I hope you can tell us more about the set, since some of us here have a little time and concern invested. "the color is great and the blacks aren't that bad" is not going to go very far in satisfying my own curiosity.

Are the viewing angles decent? Are there any service menu settings to play with? Have you used a calibration disc yet to set the color, sharpness, white and black levels? Also, do you notice any ghosting during scenes with fast movement like sporting events? How good do SD programs look in a non-native resolution?

Sorry for bombarding you, but I want to know. I hope the moderator look the other way and not move the thread to the LCD section. If you start any threads over there please keep us posted. Thanks bk, and here's to good luck and good times with your new set.:)

No problem, I'm happy to help those who have helped me. I don't have AVIA yet (waiting to get a PS3 so I can get the Blu-Ray version), but I did have a copy of Star Wars Episode 2 handy which thankfully comes with that handy little THX optimizer. Also bare in mind I've only had time to play with this for a couple hours and have only tested it using my PS2 so far to play a couple DVDs and a little Final Fantasy XII.

That being said here's what I've found so far.

1. The color is excellent, probably closer to 6500k than my Sharp CRT and very accurate. In DVD's everything looks nice but not oversaturated and in my games the colors are much more vibrant than my CRT so I can get the best of both worlds from it when I need to. Skin tones are perfect btw, no red push.

2. Contrast may seem low (1000:1) but looks great, whites are truly white and can be blinding on an all white screen.

3. Black levels are good, they are not equivalent to a perfectly calibrated XBR970 by any means but I am really impressed with them so far. After the calibration I had them looking nice and deep but upon firing up 300 found they were a little crushed. I turned it up a couple clicks and found it was possible to retain those black levels and still get acceptable shadow detail (some things are lost but nonetheless it looks quite good). O and just for future reference if you're ever calibrating your TV and are looking for a good scene to mess with the brightness to find a proper balance between black level and shadow detail fire up 300 and watch the slow-mo sex scene :D.

4. Motion-blur is not a problem from what I've seen so far, I'm gonna fire up a faster moving game later after watching the first battle in 300 where there is a fair bit of fast movement I have seen no blurring. I think this is because the new HDTV10A model of my TV has a 6ms response time.

5. As for how well it handles SD... well it doesn't look like it did on my CRT but it's not as fugly as I expected. I saw a lot of video noise in some of the fight scenes in 300 and none at all in other scenes. When I fired up FFXII I saw there was a noticeable anti-aliasing problem that made the edges of everything look rather jagged, it's not a huge deal in-game but it really takes away from the games beautiful cutscenes.
UPDATE: 480p helps for games, I played Shadow of the Colossus in 480p and the jaggies toned down a bit so I'd guess it has something to do with the TV sucking at de-interlacing. I also watched a few scenes from 300 in 480p and it didn't seem like a huge difference so DVDs will perform about the same in 480i and p (which is to say pretty well).

That's it so far, I won't actually have an HD source for it until I get my 360 next month but I'm gonna hook my MacBook Pro up to it and see if I can use it to upscale DVDs. I'm also gonna try playing a few games in 480p to see if that helps out it's SD performance and I'm gonna find some faster moving material to see if motion blur will ever be an issue. I'll check out viewing angles too but don't hold your breath, it's nice as far as LCDs go (especially budget LCDs) but it's still an LCD ;).

Thanks for the great review! It's surprising that TV did not come with a tuner. I bet it would make a VERY cool PC or Mac monitor. Thanks again! :)

Thanks for the great review! It's surprising that TV did not come with a tuner. I bet it would make a VERY cool PC or Mac monitor. Thanks again! :)

Who said it doesn't have a tuner? It's got ATSC, NTSC, and QAM. My parents are just to cheap to get dish so we don't have HD programming and I don't have cable in my room. We don't get anything over the air worth testing either, we live out in the boondocks on Maine.

bkchurch,

Post your settings in the thread I PM'd you(if you haven't done it already).

In that post, let us know what you have connected to the Vizio(DVD player, antenna, etc...) and how you have it connected(S-Video, composite, componet, HDMI, etc...).

It gives a good base for people on where to begin with setting up the picture to be as nice as possible. I think I will definitely sell/trade in my Zenith C27V36 in the bedroon and get this model.

Off topic:

Yesterday I was in Circuit City, and was looking at what looked like a brand new Samsung LCD.

If I remember, it was a 47".

Anyway, it had the MOST STUNNING picture I have ever seen.

It was being fed a BLU-RAY DVD of Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest.

It was connected through HDMI I believe.

It was UNREAL. I have never seen this type of picture quality on ANY TYPE of TV. Plasma, another LCD, CRT, etc.... You name it.

It was like it was being filmed right in front of me, or I was watching.

Greatest picture I ever saw on any tv. Period.

It is not listed on CC's website(I think).

I believe the last numbers in the model number was something like 71 or 72.

I will have to go back and find out.

But it must cost something like $3K-$4K for it. Maybe more.

The Vizio is more in my budget.

But if I had the cash, I would have snapped that sucker up.

Who said it doesn't have a tuner? It's got ATSC, NTSC, and QAM. My parents are just to cheap to get dish so we don't have HD programming and I don't have cable in my room. We don't get anything over the air worth testing either, we live out in the boondocks on Maine.

You do know about over the air HDTV, right? Most of the analog stations in your area have digital counterparts. And when your locals broadcast an over the air HDTV signal, it's FAR better than cable or satellite because local stations generally don't use any digital compression on HDTV feeds. So the signal is "pristine" and the best possible quality.

There must be one local station you could pick up in HD. Do you have any antenna at all? Surely you could hook up a coat hanger or something (just kidding). :)

Who said it doesn't have a tuner? It's got ATSC, NTSC, and QAM. My parents are just to cheap to get dish so we don't have HD programming and I don't have cable in my room. We don't get anything over the air worth testing either, we live out in the boondocks on Maine.

I don't know where you are in Maine, but if you live anywhere near Portland, then you DEFINITELY have OTA HD/digital stations in your area.

I am guessing that is where your TV is coming from.

An indoor antenna should do the trick for most.

Go to www.antennaweb.org and type in your address and see.

I don't know where you are in Maine, but if you live anywhere near Portland, then you DEFINITELY have OTA HD/digital stations in your area.

I am guessing that is where your TV is coming from.

An indoor antenna should do the trick for most.

Go to www.antennaweb.org and type in your address and see.

Nope I'm four hours from Portland, we seriously just got high speed internet two years ago we're that behind and I'm positive we have nothing OTA in HD. I probably will when I move to Bangor to go to school in ten days though :D. I'll post my thoughts then when I get a chance. I'll put my setting over in the VX37L thread as well when I get a chance.