I had a JVC DRM100, I really liked it, I wish I could find another one.

But for now im looking for a solid recorder that records FR mode, and maybe even Deul Layer discs. What can you guys suggest?

Thanks!

any of the panasonics, toshibas are pretty good , the only ones ive had experience with.

Panasonics have that horrible TVGOS system and Toshiba doesn't make HD models anymore. Go with Pioneer or a used Toshiba without the TVGOS.

There are no current DVD recorders that include TV Guide on Screen.

As far as the most recent models available, both the the Panasonics and Toshibas are rated very well.

There are no current DVD recorders that include TV Guide on Screen.

As far as the most recent models available, both the the Panasonics and Toshibas are rated very well.

The Panny DRM-EH-55S does have it. Toshiba has the best interface and most powerful editor but a very poor burner.

Ive been looking at the 55 if all things go well in the future. I have the ES16 and its awesome

The Panny DRM-EH-55S does have it.I thought you were referring to the U.S. model, which was the DMR-EH55V. That had TVGOS, but was last year's model and hasn't been available for quite awhile now. No current U.S. models have it.

I didn't know you were referring to a Canadian model. If both, or at least one of you guys had said that, or specified where you were from, I wouldn't have assumed that.

I only was able to figure that out from your posts in another thread here.

It's a natural enough mistake, being that this forum is based in the U.S. and the majority of the people on here are from the U.S., and the ones that aren't usually have the sense and courtesy to specify that. If at least for no other reason than to avoid confusions such as this.

Also, I don't know if the TVGOS in your Panny is anything like ours, but with most of our units over the years that had it, you didn't have to use it at all and could bypass it completely and set the timers manually if you so choosed. Some models with TVGOS even had a button on the remote that would just take you directly to the timer setup screen.

If it's the same with your TVGOS models there, I wouldn't use that as a reason for disqualifying a particular model if it had everything else he wanted.

The only U.S. models where having it as a feature was causing problems with the units in general, other than just with the guide operation, were some of the Pioneers, and they were one of the first to cut out the feature because of that. Seems they just could never integrate it right.

Maybe you had a different situation up there.

I thought you were referring to the U.S. model, which was the DMR-EH55V.

Ramm-

Though I agree with everything you were saying esp. wrt to TVGOS (which works great for me on my E85, EH50, and best on my EH75V with superior, latest generation TVGOS UI), truth be told, in the US the model number is simply the DMR-EH55 (no V suffix - see the Panny manuals link below). The other US hard drive combo recorder was the DMR-EH75V which does have the V (for VCR) suffix because it includes the integrated VHS VCR which the EH55 does not.

http://service.us.panasonic.com/operman/findmanual.aspx?cat=DVD

The EH-55 in Canada still has the TVGOS, according to the Panasonic Canada web site.

Personally I think the TVGOS on my E-65 and E-500 Panasonic DVDRs works great. I use it for virtually all my timed recordings, and it has only failed me a couple of times.

I can second (or third, whatever) that for TVGOS on a Panasonic. Ever since I replaced the failing HDD on my E-85, TVGOS functionality has been perfect. No problems and 100% reliability. I can't see having a unit without it anymore.

Ditto with Toshiba. 100% reliability. Even the IR blaster which offers access to the full digital channel tier. I record to the Toshiba via the line 1 input.

As a result of it performing so well I have begun recording directly using TVGOS. In the past I would record to my DVR and then offload this content to my DVD recorder. With TVGOS working so well I am comfortable recording directly to the Toshiba. A real time saver. Plus when using TVGOS the recordings retain all of the TVGOS information. Movie name, plot, actors etc. When offloaded from the DVR none of this info is retained. It's great. Too bad it is not offered on any 2007 models.

TVGOS on my Panasonic EH55 works just fine. It is not as good as the guide on my old Replay DVR. but it's free and works without a hitch.

Looks like the score so far is:

Panny TVGOS 6, Oiler1 1

I love it when this many people comment about how well TVGOS has worked for them after someone badmouths it :D. We need more of that for sure!

I know that oftentimes problems come from the provider's end (if they're using cable), but I always wonder how many of these people having problems with it are doing something wrong in the setup. The only unit I ever had a problem with was my Sony HD-DVR about a year back (8th gen. guide). I'd keep resetting it and the grid and host channel in the service menu would always go blank after about one day of downloads.

I finally realized I was taking the analog host channel in the guide, and assigning the digital channel's number to it. After I figured that out, it's been perfect.

(Oh, and the only reason I threw that "V" on the end of the EH55, was because I Googled the number with the V added to find out exactly what the U.S. number was, and a bunch of sites came up with the V added. I checked a couple, and on the sites they still used the V, and they appeared to be the U.S. models. So, either they were wrong, or maybe they weren't U.S. models. I just don't understand that if "V" means VCR, why would they include it? Oh well - It wouldn't be the first time websites have screwed up specs, that's for sure :rolleyes:.)

I love it when this many people comment about how well TVGOS has worked for them after someone badmouths it :D. We need more of that for sure!


I'll comment again. I like it. It works. It's free. It works great with an IR blaster (Toshiba) and a digital cable box that controls 200+ channels. And it saves a ton of time by bypassing the DVR (for me).

Biggest problem with TVGOS in my opinion was the bad rap associated with its Pioneer integration. It never worked. Pioneer for some reason dropped the ball. As a result (in a Pioneer centric forum like this) the war drums began to rumble. Everybody thought it was TVGOS but in reality it was the Pioneer integration.

I believe the war drums were significantly more subdued with the Panasonic TVGOS users. It worked for them. And it worked for Toshiba as well.

But the loudest rumble won. Too bad. I remember requests for a DVD recorder but with NO TVGOS. TVGOS was a feature that a DVD recorder should not have.

Again too bad. I wonder if they were listening.

You could throw Sony in there, too. I never read here of anyone having a problem with a Sony using TVGOS.

What I never understood was why having it would stop someone from wanting that model (other than Pio's), especially when it basically had everything else they wanted.

With my 2 Panny's and 2 Sony's that have it, you can just ignore it and go to the manual timer. My Sony HX900 even has a button on the remote that directly brings up the timer screen.

Us usual, same group of users would try to explain this to someone who was inquiring, but, like you said, the loudest voices usually won out.

The Pio users were the most affected in this forum. Not their fault. I'd be po'd too. But it reminded me of the Oxbow Incident. At least here it did.

Yeah, it's a shame. Maybe a lot more of these things would've sold had it not been for Pioneer.