http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-2.ars/7

"At any rate, Playstation 3 fanboys shouldn't get all flush over the idea that the Xenon will struggle on non-graphics code. However bad off Xenon will be in that department, the PS3's Cell will probably be worse. The Cell has only one PPE to the Xenon's three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window. (Don't bother suggesting that the PS3 can use its SPEs for branch-intensive code, because the SPEs lack branch prediction entirely.) Furthermore, the PS3's L2 is only 512K, which is half the size of the Xenon's L2. So the PS3 doesn't get much help with branches in the cache department. In short, the PS3 may fare a bit worse than the Xenon on non-graphics code, but on the upside it will probably fare a bit better on graphics code because of the seven SPEs."

PS.
RSX is weaker than X360 GPU - so most of power on Cell goes in rescuing RSX...

Eurogamer has nice comparations

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78963

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Sonic the Hedgehog
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Tony Hawk Project 8

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=75856

Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII, Call of Duty 3, F.E.A.R., World Snooker Championship 2007, Enchanted Arms, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2007, and both NBA and NHL 2K7.


http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74502

Ridge Racer 6/7, Def Jam: Icon, Fight Night Round 3, Virtua Tennis 3, NBA Homecourt and Need for Speed Carbon)

All games except Oblivion are worse - with cut out effects / framerate problems.
Everybody already knows that GPU in PS3 is only slightly upgraded midrange GF7600GT taken from PC at the last moment when it came to light that projected 2xCell PS3 with no GPU would mighty su*** compared to X360.
128bit 8ROP 500Mhz 256MB DDR3.
Only pixel shaders were doubled from 12 to 24.

Thats why custom built GPU in X360 being newer technology (nearly DX10 card) beats it in most cases.

There you have it folks.

How can any version of Blazing Angels be worse than another?

How can any version of Blazing Angels be worse than another?

Very good point.

There you have it folks.

I guess you got the RROD, or something. That's the only possible explanation for your posting habits today.

Either that, or you really simply have no life. Did your mom lock the basement door and forget you were down there, and this is the only way you have to pass the time?

Reported....again.

There you have it folks.


Your post are inciteful, but not insightful. I wonder what your next forum username will be?


IOW, Kyser, we need a clean up on aisle three.

lol, whats so wrong about pointing out facts.. You guys get angry for posting the truth about the ps3.. So the xbox 360 gets RROD, thats all you have to say.. how new, we didn't know that from 6 months ago i guess. Its the truth, xbox 360 gets RROD, and its also true that the ps3 has no unified ram which makes it hell to program for. There you have it folks.

edit: sorry if I upset you guys.. I won't post anymore about the ps3. :(

and yes, i did have a ps3. I am not trying to flame anyone, and I am not posting anything about sales numbers so I am not breaking any rules. I like the platform, but as of right now i just try to show you the facts.

lol, whats so wrong about pointing out facts.. You guys get angry for posting the truth about the ps3.. So the xbox 360 gets RROD, thats all you have to say.. how new, we didn't know that from 6 months ago i guess. Its the truth, xbox 360 gets RROD, and its also true that the ps3 has no unified ram which makes it hell to program for. There you have it folks.

99% of the people reading this forum already know and have read the facts that you felt compelled to post to start this thread. It's very clear that you're not posting it just to present the facts, you're posting it to cause a problem. It's called trolling, and you've been doing it in several threads. I'm not a mod, but if I were, you'd be suspended. If you want to make posts about how much more powerful the 360 is, do it in the 360 forum so they can pat you on the back of the head and say "nice job," vs. the PS3 forum where you know you're just inciting posts from people wanting to it in.

99% of the people reading this forum already know and have read the facts that you felt compelled to post to start this thread. It's very clear that you're not posting it just to present the facts, you're posting it to cause a problem. It's called trolling, and you've been doing it in several threads. I'm not a mod, but if I were, you'd be suspended. If you want to make posts about how much more powerful the 360 is, do it in the 360 forum so they can pat you on the back of the head and say "nice job," vs. the PS3 forum where you know you're just inciting posts from people wanting to it in.

I doubt that, where are you getting that percentage from? Your own self?? :(

edit: Don't answer that question......

Unfortunately for the 360, you can't write code to handle a hardware failure. Fortunately for the PS3, once programmers are presented with a budget to modify their graphics engines to embrace the cell's architecture, the power of the PS3 will be known...

I doubt that, where are you getting that percentage from? Your own self?? :(

edit: Don't answer that question......

I'm getting the percentage from the fact that the majority of the users here on AVS used to be educated, professional, adult human beings who were fans of and interested in discussing the hardware and software that we enjoy using. Unfortunately, that percentage doesn't probably add up anymore because now we are dealing with folks like you who are more inclinded to make posts likely to incite a flame war.

As for this thread, I'm done posting in it because all I'm doing is contributing to the problem by responding to your silliness.

lol you should go back and re-read the article you linked too... The article puts neither console in a good light. It's obvious that both consoles use processors that are stripped down to only what is needed for gaming. Only time will tell which consoles have the best CPU for gaming. At the present time both consoles seem to be doing a good job. Games like Halo 3 and Ratchet & Clank seem to prove that both consoles are providing just what the people wanted... great looking/playing games.

We could point out negative features of both consoles all day long and into the night. This is at least the third thread you have started that points out a negative feature of the PS3. What gives? Are you on a mission? It's obvious you hate the PS3. That is fine. You have a great alternative with the 360. Go play and have fun!

and yes, i did have a ps3. I am not trying to flame anyone, and I am not posting anything about sales numbers so I am not breaking any rules. I like the platform, but as of right now i just try to show you the facts.


So you honestly didn't know that coming to the PS3 forum, starting a thread called "the truth about the PS3", and then trashing the PS3 in that very thread, - you didn't know that was prohibited? You thought maybe everybody here would be okay with you trashing the PS3 in the PS3 forum? Not just once, but over and over again you trashed the PS3 here in it's home, and you thought that everyone would just be cool with that?

Hmmmmm naive or fool, naive or fool, naive or fool.... I would give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not sure how that would really benefit you.

All the info you posted is great, thanks for the interesting reading about the CPU/GPU funcitons. That being said, it seems the only reason you posted it was to get a stir out of PS3 owners. There is an Xbox 360 forum and a PS3 forum for a reason. Thanks for "pointing out the facts" but unless your a game programmer, why worry about unified ram and game programming? Also, if you own a 360, why worry about if the PS3 is "hell" to program for. Just go enjoy your console like we are ours.

Please keep your subjective "truth" to your own forums. Anyone could create a huge list of deficiencies for any product, but unless that was going to be used for design revisions, it's only function would be to provoke people. Reported.

there is no "truth", even between developers there are varying opinions, thats how close both systems are. the PS3 excels at certain things and vice versa.

lol, whats so wrong about pointing out facts.. You guys get angry for posting the truth about the ps3.. So the xbox 360 gets RROD, thats all you have to say.. how new, we didn't know that from 6 months ago i guess. Its the truth, xbox 360 gets RROD, and its also true that the ps3 has no unified ram which makes it hell to program for. There you have it folks.

edit: sorry if I upset you guys.. I won't post anymore about the ps3. :(

and yes, i did have a ps3. I am not trying to flame anyone, and I am not posting anything about sales numbers so I am not breaking any rules. I like the platform, but as of right now i just try to show you the facts.

Not upset at all. In fact you make me LOL. Silly trolls do that to me. Thanks for the public service announcement but you fail.

Lemme guess. You "had" a PS3 and got a RROD? Can't wait to read your new thread "My PS3 died". Oh wait, you'll be given "two weeks off" before that.

IBTL

Hey but there is some good to this thread. His link had another link for the following info on the Cell in the PS3:

http://www.hpcaconf.org/hpca11/papers/25_hofstee-cellprocessor_final.pdf

Best article I've seen on it. Thanks Mustang1! I say sticky for this!

Wait isn't that article posted before either system was out? Not to mention by someone who has never touched either piece of hardware let alone written a single line of code to it? Added by support for his article is based on early developers comments? Ya, that's the truth alright....

Reported....again.

Seconded (or is it now fourthed?).

I know the PS3 is probably not as powerful as the xbox 360, but I don't care.

There is no reason to be posting topics such as this on avs....we don't need childish fanboy competition here.

Sorry, man this post has no buisness here. This is a Home Theater Gaming Thread. I don't think you can stretch the rules enough to post this kind of material.

Try Beyond3d for this type of heavy tech stuff. Get ready to be hounded though. Darknight hit this one on the head. ;)

You should have labeled this thread "PS3: An inconvenient truth" because your posts are as unbalanced as the movie.

Unfortunately for the 360, you can't write code to handle a hardware failure. Fortunately for the PS3, once programmers are presented with a budget to modify their graphics engines to embrace the cell's architecture, the power of the PS3 will be known...

While I agree this guy is a troll (thread starter), this is equally as ghey.

The powa will be known!!!

Do you huggle, snuggle, wuggle, uggle, or buggle?

You should have labeled this thread "PS3: An inconvenient truth" because your posts are as unbalanced as the movie.
LOL. Post of the year!

I knew there was a reason I was actually reading this thread.

Why do you bother answering threads like this if it bothers y'all so much? Wouldn't it be better to just ignore these threads, even if they are against the rules?

i don't know about everyone, but i really don't care about cell processors and memory when it comes to gaming. as long as the game r good, i don't care. i own 2 PS3s and a 360 for my boys. if a good game comes on the 360 i go get(but i prefer the PS3).we are talking about games here, if i wanted to talk about cells and memory i'd go to a computer forum. so in conclusion---- WHO CARES------ lets just focus on playing the game.

P.S.
my 360 had the RROD twice. i'm not going to talk trash about it( as long as they fix it)

You should have labeled this thread "PS3: An inconvenient truth" because your posts are as unbalanced as the movie.

Quote of the day :D

Thank you very much.

Why do you bother answering threads like this if it bothers y'all so much?

I like the sense of rightous indignation I get when someone goes outside the forum rules. But beyond that, what he is doing is just rude, and when a person is rude it draws a reaction.

Wow a 2 year old article about the CPUs, great. Hey, that's the same article that claims the Cell is bad at physics isn't it?

Many better tech docs have come out since. Also, the comparos aren't so cut and dry, with a couple of the titles mentioned having tradeoffs between the two consoles. Either way all of this is old info and not worth reposting again.

OP suspended.