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What:This Tuesday, DAN RATHER REPORTS presents conclusive evidence of
the failure of touch screen voting machines across the country. The episode, “The Trouble with Touch Screens”, is an entire hour devoted to new information on this story. From scientists involved in testing the equipment, to manufacturers in third world countries who shipped these defective voting machines to the United States DAN RATHER REPORTS will present new information showing that these defective machines may have altered the outcome of multiple elections.

A screener clip from this controversial episode is now available at the following link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1826549866685179676&hl=en

When:Dan Rather Reports “The Trouble with Touch Screens” will air
Tuesday, August 14 at 8:00 p.m. ET. The program also airs at 11:00 p.m.
ET to accommodate west coast prime time.

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PROGRAM TO RUN 15 MINUTES LONG..SET YOUR DVR APPROPRIATELY

What:This Tuesday, DAN RATHER REPORTS presents conclusive evidence of
the failure of touch screen voting machines across the country. The episode, “The Trouble with Touch Screens”, is an entire hour devoted to new information on this story. From scientists involved in testing the equipment, to manufacturers in third world countries who shipped these defective voting machines to the United States DAN RATHER REPORTS will present new information showing that these defective machines may have altered the outcome of multiple elections.

A screener clip from this controversial episode is now available at the following link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1826549866685179676&hl=en

When:Dan Rather Reports “The Trouble with Touch Screens” will air
Tuesday, August 14 at 8:00 p.m. ET. The program also airs at 11:00 p.m.
ET to accommodate west coast prime time.

About HDNet
HDNet (www.hd.net) provides viewers with the best in original comedy, drama, news, sports and music programming.

thanks for the heads up

sounds great, this is an issue that's gonna plague voters for decades. Ought to be a good one.

Well, I don't have a DVR and due to my schedule won't be able to see it at 8pm. But it usually comes on a couple of hours later...so hopefully I'll catch it then.

Leo Laporte from TWIT & Screensavers fame says that the Geeks in the know do not recommend electronic voting.

They got ATMs to work (with full accountability and reliability) over 20 years ago. This voting machine debacle is criminal in my mind.

They got ATMs to work (with full accountability and reliability) over 20 years ago. This voting machine debacle is criminal in my mind.

It's ridiculous that there's even a problem when plenty of solutions have been on the market for year. In Nevada, you have a touch screen voting machine that prints a paper receipt as you make your choices. Before finalizing the casting of your ballot you are told to verify the paper record. Bingo. Paper trail. End of story.

Rather is still on this? hah, great.

In Nevada, you have a touch screen voting machine that prints a paper receipt as you make your choices. Before finalizing the casting of your ballot you are told to verify the paper record. Bingo. Paper trail. End of story.

Unfortunately it's not that easy. The CA Secretary of State had UC computer scientists do reviews of all the machines used in CA, and on at least one machine, they tested the physical security of the paper audit trail and found it lacking. Among other things, they came up with a simple chemical solution which could be scattered in the paper trail box and ruin the receipts. Most of the reports are available on the CA Sec of State website if anyone is interested.

Another excellent report from Dan Rather. Definitely makes you wonder...

HD hasn't done Dan any favors.

Saw one of his interviews the other day and he looked like he had about 10 pounds of makeup. The other guests looked normal - and were considerably younger.

I watch him on HDNet more as entertainment than news. He seems to be trying really hard to be relavent.

I think his "big story" days are behind him, but he's not the type to take a graceful exit from the stage.

Oh, whatever. If you were actually watching his reports (for news, not for "entertainment") you'd learn a thing or two. Actually learning something IS relevant.

Dan clearly still has some tread left on the tires. As does Mike Wallace. Age ain't nuthin' but a number. Every show he's done so far has been important and worthwhile, especially this last one.

Rather is still on this? hah, great.
I'm glad somebody is. Did you see the last 30 minutes or so when he interviewed those Sequoia (ex)employees. For me, that's enough to open a full scale criminal investigation!

Oh, whatever. If you were actually watching his reports (for news, not for "entertainment") you'd learn a thing or two. Actually learning something IS relevant.

Dan Rather is no longer on network tv for a reason. They didn't even want him in the CBS "old age" home - 60 minutes.

I did watch the recent show about the election punch cards and found it interesting.

It did a good job of feeding that part of the audience that loves a good conspiracy theory.

The story has apparently been around since 2000.

I have trouble believing that the entire news media missed this story, but anything is possible.

I look at most news shows as informational entertainment, not necessarily fact.

I then draw my own conlsusions.

One thing that can't be argued is the clarity the HD brings to this type of show. The facial feature detail is outstanding and shows you what is possible when stars don't demand their image be "softened" by filtering.

Got to give Dan Rather credit for not being afraid to show his age in HD.

I have trouble believing that the entire news media missed this story, but anything is possible.
They didn't "miss" it, my friend, they flat out suppressed it. It's also not as interesting and ratings attractive as Paris, Brittney or whoever the bimbo du jour is. I believe that's one of the reasons Dan Rather left CBS; he didn't want to be part of what he sees as the dumbing down of journalism. He saw that HDNet takes their journalism seriously and HDNet saw the same in him.

They didn't "miss" it, my friend, they flat out suppressed it. It's also not as interesting and ratings attractive as Paris, Brittney or whoever the bimbo du jour is. I believe that's one of the reasons Dan Rather left CBS; he didn't want to be part of what he sees as the dumbing down of journalism. He saw that HDNet takes their journalism seriously and HDNet saw the same in him.
Exactly. The tech news world has been harping on this story (and even showing experts demonstrating how fraud can take place) while the mainstream press has been focusing on how monkeys and people from Florida can't use punch cards.

Right now, the states are under enormous pressure from the feds to switch to electronic voting. This despite many states with perfectly good and reliable systems already in place. For instance, the lever operated machines NYS uses have operated reliably for decades and can tally results within an hour of polls closing. Also, somehow these touch screen systems are supposed to be "blind-friendly", yet nothing is more tactile than rows of levers on a manual lever operated machine.

The question is, why would the press support these new electronic machines? They have been proven again and again to be vulnerable to fraud.

The answer is simple. Eventually, results will be instant and nearly real time poll returns will be made available to the media outlets. No more relying on exit polls. The news outlets will actually have results to report for all those hours of election reporting instead of guessing.

They didn't "miss" it, my friend, they flat out suppressed it. It's also not as interesting and ratings attractive as Paris, Brittney or whoever the bimbo du jour is. I believe that's one of the reasons Dan Rather left CBS; he didn't want to be part of what he sees as the dumbing down of journalism. He saw that HDNet takes their journalism seriously and HDNet saw the same in him.
Well, we know one of the things that appealed to Rather was no corporate sponsors. Mark Cuban has basically given Rather carte blanche to really go after a story.

The problem is, with Rather's newfound reputation for news "creation" instead of news reporting, its hard to believe his stories will be objective.

The problem is, with Rather's newfound reputation for news "creation" instead of news reporting, its hard to believe his stories will be objective.

yeah, i'm sure he was bought off by paper ballot manufacturers.. puhlese.

The problem is, with Rather's newfound reputation for news "creation" instead of news reporting, its hard to believe his stories will be objective.
Oh, of course no one else has a reputation for "news creation"...

NBC - Has frequently come under fire for misrepresenting facts during so-called "investigative reports".

Fox News - Constantly and blatantly injects opinion into their "reporting".

There are plenty of other examples. It's amazing how people are swayed by what seems like the "in" opinion to have.

If you're going to come in here mudslinging, at least take the time to shower up first.

I read a statistic about a year or two ago which was really eye opening. It was an international survey asking people where they primarily got their news. In most countries the leading source of news is read/watched (trusted) by around 40% of the people. In the US that number is 11% (Fox News). Because the LEADING source is at 11% you can infer that in a room of 10 people every one of them gets their news from a different source.

edit: The original article was from Reuters and is now gone. Here is a link which contains the basic info.

http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/05/03/fnc-most-trusted-brand-in-us/

I read a statistic about a year or two ago which was really eye opening. It was an international survey asking people where they primarily got their news. In most countries the leading source of news is read/watched (trusted) by around 40% of the people. In the US that number is 11% (Fox News). Because the LEADING source is at 11% you can infer that in a room of 10 people every one of them gets their news from a different source.



The "leading source of news" here is Fox News? :eek: Putting aside the frightening implications of that factoid, I thought FNC, while the leading cablenet news channel, still lagged far behind the Big Three nightly newscasts. Of course, those networks don't saturate their reporting with opinion, all on one side, to fill up their primetime schedules, either.

Here is a link which breaks down the domestic side of the survey.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6331047.html?display=Breaking+News

I don't watch any TV news aside from the occasional World Report on HdNet. I prefer to read my news.

The only people who think of Rather as "creating" stories are those who didn't pay real attention to what happened on that particular story. People only going by what they heard.

I don't watch any TV news aside from the occasional World Report on HdNet. I prefer to read my news.

I don't watch anymore either, and judging by the falling audiences for the nightly newscasts, that's a growing trend. FNC has a consistent audience, but I suspect they're "preaching to the choir" for the most part.

I'm glad Dan's still out there workin' it when he could be resting on his laurels drinking pina colatas. He, and HDNet, are doing a great job with this show.

I'd love to watch my news - I just can't find it anywhere.

On a typical day during prime time, a Fox news/talk program reaches perhaps up to a million viewers (O'Reilly hits about 2 million having an average age of plus 65). Whereas, the three nightly network news telecasts combined approach roughly 25 million. You can look it up!

That's still only a 22 minute sliver of news available. That's hardly enough to delve into a single topic, much less the multiple items covered.

I'd love to watch my news - I just can't find it anywhere.
It can still be found if you really look for it (HDNet, PBS), but for the most part you're right, the news has been cancelled.

That's still only a 22 minute sliver of news available. That's hardly enough to delve into a single topic, much less the multiple items covered.
especially when the only topics they delve into are entertainment and so-called human interest stories.

They didn't "miss" it, my friend, they flat out suppressed it. It's also not as interesting and ratings attractive as Paris, Brittney or whoever the bimbo du jour is. I believe that's one of the reasons Dan Rather left CBS; he didn't want to be part of what he sees as the dumbing down of journalism. He saw that HDNet takes their journalism seriously and HDNet saw the same in him.

I don't believe Dan's leaving CBS was his idea.

especially when the only topics they delve into are entertainment and so-called human interest stories.
Mika Brzezinski of MSNBC finally stood up to that nonsense. Watch THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VdNcCcweL0). Way to go Mika!

I don't believe Dan's leaving CBS was his idea.Both wanted to part ways. CBS wanted someone younger that would attract a more female audience. That worked out well.

Mika Brzezinski of MSNBC finally stood up to that nonsense. Watch THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VdNcCcweL0). Way to go Mika!
I was never so turned on by a news bunny as when I saw that when it happened.
As authentic as that looked, I still couldn't help thinking in the back of my mind that even that was a staged part of the show. I guess maybe the mainstream media has made me so cynical and jaded that I can't even recognize sincerity anymore, who knows.

I'd love to watch my news - I just can't find it anywhere.

I'm trying to get PMcPNN added to Dish's new AT300,000,000 tier.

On a typical day during prime time, a Fox news/talk program reaches perhaps up to a million viewers (O'Reilly hits about 2 million having an average age of plus 65). Whereas, the three nightly network news telecasts combined approach roughly 25 million. You can look it up!

This doesn't contradict the survey. It just means most people who watch the Big 3 don't consider it their primary source of news.

Every show he's done so far has been important and worthwhile, especially this last one.

I agree with you 100%. This is my favorite show.

especially when the only topics they delve into are entertainment and so-called human interest stories.
Like the latest survivor castoffs and American Idol rejects being interviewed as though they've won the Nobel Peace Prize?

Like the latest survivor castoffs and American Idol rejects being interviewed as though they've won the Nobel Peace Prize?Inquiring minds want to know.

Hey, say what you will about the national news networks but, local news is even worse (at least here in Orlando). Why they need 2 hours each night to report the same 5 stories is beyond me. Half of that time is spent on the weather which makes no sense to me. We're in Florida, it's sunny and hot in the morning, hot and rainy in the afternoon, clear and hot in the evening plus, the ever pending hurricane that is right around the corner (they find a way to mention the word hurricane in every weather report even if there is not one in sight).

New footage of that gator crossing the road tonight at 6:30...plus, a local health watch, why watching this newscast my kill you.

This doesn't contradict the survey. It just means most people who watch the Big 3 don't consider it their primary source of news.

Yep - viewers could be watching news shows on ABC/CBS/NBC, but still consider a daily newspaper, the internet, or additional viewing of CNN/Fox News etc. as their primary source, rather than the network newscast?

Holy crap! I wasn't sure where to put this but since this is partially about Rather, I'm watching the Chris Matthews show in which Rather is a special guest. They showed some footage of an old interview from 1972 in which Dan was speaking to a young (college?), skinny, bespectacled Republican in charge of promoting young people into the party. It was Karl Rove!!!

Holy crap! I wasn't sure where to put this but since this is partially about Rather, I'm watching the Chris Matthews show in which Rather is a special guest. They showed some footage of an old interview from 1972 in which Dan was speaking to a young (college?), skinny, bespectacled Republican in charge of promoting young people into the party. It was Karl Rove!!!
I saw that! It was like watching a History Channel special called "Joseph Goebbels- The Early Years".

Holy crap! I wasn't sure where to put this but since this is partially about Rather, I'm watching the Chris Matthews show in which Rather is a special guest. They showed some footage of an old interview from 1972 in which Dan was speaking to a young (college?), skinny, bespectacled Republican in charge of promoting young people into the party. It was Karl Rove!!!


Even then, Dan reported at the time, there was the faint smell of sulpher in the room. :p

Let's stick to discussing the report on HDNet.

Let's stick to discussing the report on HDNet.
Sorry.

:o

It was another great report. I love how Dan's eye's lit up when that one guy told him they were told to "hide" the materials at the plant.

Dan does a great job. When I first read that Dan was coming to HDNet. I thought wow what a fall from grace. But his in-depths reports are the best on TV. Might just drop him a note telling him so.

I just love HDnet and would watch most of their programming even if it was in SD

I finally got around to watching this last night. The adage - if ain’t broke don’t fix it – appears to have been perverted. This was good ol’ fashioned; lets break it so we can do something that doesn’t work that will make us millions using taxpayers’ money. It would really be interesting to find out who initiated the move to substandard paper. Was it Sequoia Pacific or did someone else put the pressure on SP to use that paper? How far up the chain does this really go? Conspiracy theorists could go wild with this and they might be on to something. Obviously, we’ll never know.


Workers responsible for making paper ballots that led to the Florida fiasco of 2000 tell their story for the first time. It’s a sad state of affairs that it takes 7 years for somebody to actually ask the question to the people that might have the answer. A special investigative report on the machines that count America’s votes tonight on Dan Rather reports.

Yes, Dan, it is sad. I’m convinced those that speak of morals and values are the ones we need to fear the most.

The interesting part is that they knew exactly where the faulty paper cards were going to be used.