maxdb
08-17-07, 06:18 AM
Well, I've read all the posts where people bitch and moan about how Orion makes this Sharp LCD flat screen instead of Sharp making it and what a sell-out that is. And I have to admit to being pretty unhappy with this set myself because I just could NOT get decent images from it with the User Controls because of the factory setup. This is a secondary TV for us and guests to use in our Study. It shows compression artifacts on standard def programming so bad you almost can't watch it (well other people don't seem to mind but all the macroblocking drives me nuts). It does look fairly good on HD programming - except for 1 thing.
The 3 color temp settings are "way too blue" "too blue" and "yellow-green" also known as Cool, Neutral and Warm (HA!). Neutral measured OK at 0% and 10%, but it jumped to 9500-10500 degrees for 20, 30, and 40% then drops slowly back to about 8000 at 100%. The Warm setting tracked 5400 degrees REAL well, almost a straight line. But it makes images putrid looking. Tonight I finally found the trick to getting into the service menu. It was in a message in the AVS Archive, but I never found it in a Google search before. Just in case anybody else has been looking for it:
Hold Volume- on the TV set down while you press and hold "9" on the TV remote. It takes several seconds of this before the service menu appears. To navigate through the 40 or so parameters, you use the up and down selectors above and below the Enter button on the remote and to change the value of the setting, use Volume + & - on the remote. Turn the TV off to save service menu changes --no keys to press, it saves everything you change so WRITE DOWN all the factory settings!!!! Be warned!!!!.
Anyway, I did a gray scale calibration with ColorFacts Pro and a Spyder2 Platinum for the Neutral and Warm color temp settings and HOLY CRAP! Now I have a TV I actually LIKE to watch! What a HUGE improvement. It tracks 6500 degrees so well, you'd swear it was some kind of Pro product. So much for the Oriion-manufacture origin meaning it is a piece of crap. But too bad a TV that sells (usually) for $1300-$800 or so is setup SO WRONG by the factory - to the point that you MUST get into the service menu to do a gray scale adjustment to get what you paid for - a watchable HDTV.
Gains are called Drives in the service menu. Cuts are called Cutoffs (aka Bias). There are Gains and Cuts for each color temp. The color temps are universal... when you calibrate one of them, every input using that color temp will have the same calibration. So best to calibrate all 3 color temps to a different input/source so you can have 3 separate calibrations to use.
When I tried to use Green Gains and Cuts... the green channel did not change at all. Instead, the Red and Blue would go higher or lower together when you adjust Green. Luckily ColorFacts lets you lock any color that behaves that way so all adjustments are forced onto the other 2 colors.
My calibrations are still a work in progress because my calibration of Neutral is bluer/cooler than my calibration of Warm even though I used the same source (DVD player with Datacolor's DVD with grays, primaries, etc.) so the 2 calibrations SHOULD have been the same, though the numbers for each are quite different. It may have something to do with when I locked the green channel (took a few tries to figure out what was happening the first time, second time I locked it right away). At any rate, I'm stoked that this TV now looks so good.
It's a shame owner's need grayscale cal to make a TV like this perform as it should - an ISF cal would cost 1/3 or so what the whole TV sold for. Buying a calibration solution... you could easily spend way more than you spent on the TV. Not good.
The 3 color temp settings are "way too blue" "too blue" and "yellow-green" also known as Cool, Neutral and Warm (HA!). Neutral measured OK at 0% and 10%, but it jumped to 9500-10500 degrees for 20, 30, and 40% then drops slowly back to about 8000 at 100%. The Warm setting tracked 5400 degrees REAL well, almost a straight line. But it makes images putrid looking. Tonight I finally found the trick to getting into the service menu. It was in a message in the AVS Archive, but I never found it in a Google search before. Just in case anybody else has been looking for it:
Hold Volume- on the TV set down while you press and hold "9" on the TV remote. It takes several seconds of this before the service menu appears. To navigate through the 40 or so parameters, you use the up and down selectors above and below the Enter button on the remote and to change the value of the setting, use Volume + & - on the remote. Turn the TV off to save service menu changes --no keys to press, it saves everything you change so WRITE DOWN all the factory settings!!!! Be warned!!!!.
Anyway, I did a gray scale calibration with ColorFacts Pro and a Spyder2 Platinum for the Neutral and Warm color temp settings and HOLY CRAP! Now I have a TV I actually LIKE to watch! What a HUGE improvement. It tracks 6500 degrees so well, you'd swear it was some kind of Pro product. So much for the Oriion-manufacture origin meaning it is a piece of crap. But too bad a TV that sells (usually) for $1300-$800 or so is setup SO WRONG by the factory - to the point that you MUST get into the service menu to do a gray scale adjustment to get what you paid for - a watchable HDTV.
Gains are called Drives in the service menu. Cuts are called Cutoffs (aka Bias). There are Gains and Cuts for each color temp. The color temps are universal... when you calibrate one of them, every input using that color temp will have the same calibration. So best to calibrate all 3 color temps to a different input/source so you can have 3 separate calibrations to use.
When I tried to use Green Gains and Cuts... the green channel did not change at all. Instead, the Red and Blue would go higher or lower together when you adjust Green. Luckily ColorFacts lets you lock any color that behaves that way so all adjustments are forced onto the other 2 colors.
My calibrations are still a work in progress because my calibration of Neutral is bluer/cooler than my calibration of Warm even though I used the same source (DVD player with Datacolor's DVD with grays, primaries, etc.) so the 2 calibrations SHOULD have been the same, though the numbers for each are quite different. It may have something to do with when I locked the green channel (took a few tries to figure out what was happening the first time, second time I locked it right away). At any rate, I'm stoked that this TV now looks so good.
It's a shame owner's need grayscale cal to make a TV like this perform as it should - an ISF cal would cost 1/3 or so what the whole TV sold for. Buying a calibration solution... you could easily spend way more than you spent on the TV. Not good.