I just searched out this product from an international production company and thought some members might be interested. Joey

Yes, it is possible to use the C2-7000 series to do edge blending of two
projectors with one unit. The list price on the unit w/o HD-SDI is $7900
the unit with is $10500. We also have other units that can handle one
projector per unit so two units would be necessary for two projectors.
These are C2-1250, C2-2250 & C2-2255 the list price for these range from
$1795 to $2995 each.

We currently have the least expensive edge blending processors on the
market. I have attached our current retail price list and the spec sheets
for these units to this e-mail.

Let me know if you would like to get one or two of these units.

Dan Gibson
Vice President
TV One
800-721-4044
www.tvone.com

yepp i had tested both the C2_7250 and the C2-2255. They both work great and have some great features eventually i will get the C2-7200 series one I didnt have my moome cards so not sure if they pass the HDCP to the cards for 1080p so you might end up with just 1080i. Also MadMrH is currently using a C2-7250 i believ on his blend and has tested it alot more than i was able to, search his posts on it.

Athanasios

7200 still running here...............


I have also been working with TVONE on some great new options within the firmware........


What I have running here is amazing.........still more to come..............

7200 still running here...............


I have also been working with TVONE on some great new options within the firmware........


What I have running here is amazing.........still more to come..............

you need to post some pics! and some more details on what firmware updrades you requested. aslo will it pass the hdcp signal to the moome card? if it does it be sweet !

Athanasios

I have sent several long lists of requests to TVONE.

These requests are for features that are of use in domestic and commercial use, for CRT and "lamp in a box" guys.

MANY of my requests are already in the firmware.

It is not possible for me to list all the features - ALL I can tell you is that since I took delivery of the 7200 unit within days the TVONE team were happy to hear my comments, and actioned a number of items, more still being worked on.

What I can tell you is that my unit has been 100% glitch free.

I am running "TEST" firmware and software, What I have is in my opinion a "seamless" blend.

What I am working on is a way that projectors can reach this goal with minimum setup time - my ideas are being looked at, as I say many of them have already found their way into the firmware / software.


These units are NOT HDCP compliant - they are able to add "titles" and so as I understand cant be HDCP compliant as they are able to "change" the video image.


What I can tell you is that a Samsung SDP1000 player works FINE with NO HDCP issues at all.

I also have a "nice box of tricks" that I hope will allow me to connect up a Sony S1 to the 7200 very soon........

My HD DVD player is HD SDI modified so there is no HDCP issue with that.

I just searched out this product from an international production company and thought some members might be interested. Joey

Yes, it is possible to use the C2-7000 series to do edge blending of two
projectors with one unit. The list price on the unit w/o HD-SDI is $7900
the unit with is $10500. We also have other units that can handle one
projector per unit so two units would be necessary for two projectors.
These are C2-1250, C2-2250 & C2-2255 the list price for these range from
$1795 to $2995 each.

We currently have the least expensive edge blending processors on the
market. I have attached our current retail price list and the spec sheets
for these units to this e-mail.

Let me know if you would like to get one or two of these units.

Dan Gibson
Vice President
TV One
800-721-4044
www.tvone.com


With all due respect to TV One, use of pairs of their less costly devices would create the need to amplify and split signals; and the resulting forest of DAs and cabling is not a place I want to go.

the resulting forest of DAs and cabling is not a place I want to go

Maybe so, but the price of the C2-7200 series is not a place I want to go! :D

The C2-1250 can be found for ~$1500 each at BPhotoVideo; I found someplace selling it for less than $1300 but I can't recall the website at the moment. So it can be done for $3,000, maybe less. I'm thinking about about starting with one C2-1250 and as finances permit, getting another. That is, if I can convince the powers-that-be to totally rearrange the room once more to point the pjs the other way. That's the hardest part for me.

With all due respect to TV One, use of pairs of their less costly devices would create the need to amplify and split signals; and the resulting forest of DAs and cabling is not a place I want to go.


The twin box TVONE options still take up LESS room than a Di Ventix.......

The Single box solution I went for as I wanted HD SDI , and a one box solution.

With that comes a price tag , but also ease of use.

The system design of the TVONE units mean they are able to change and adapt the product as the customer requires. Adding new features frequently.


Check out the TVONE C2-260 units for the CHEAPEST POSSIBLE BLENDING !!!!

;) .

Andy

With all due respect it would be a wiring nightmare with multiple sources, who said anything about space? The TVOne units seem to use DVI ports for many things, even RGB and component......another wiring challenge.

Also, the HD Fury solution for HDCP with a VGA output looks good for plugging straight into inputs 5 thru 8 on the DVX at 1080p, for those who need to.

Also the smaller single units are so small you can place them right next to each projector and use very short cables and have a geffen hdmi or dvi distibution amp right up there next to the tv one units. If two C2-2250 units are used they can be put, along with the geffen, right next to the projectors with one longer cable coming from the source ( i was still planning on using my lumagen a s a source switcher for this). All i was wondering if this will work with the moome cards , I didint have my moome cards when i had the test C2-7200 in my home. I would love to try it one more time but not sure if the guys at tv one will let me borrow a unit again. Terry Ferrentino was also suppose to get a demo unit to test from TV One.....Terry how did that work out? Did you get one to test?


Athanasios

MadMrH, I just checked out the C2-260 ! this is what HTPCers are waiting for! with two cards in a bluray or HD-DVD equiped computer edge blending can be done very afordable! and most likely you could test the blend and control it alot easier right on the screen? do you thing the software might have a simulated edge blend right on the screen so you can , lets say do a rouhg set up on the pc and then send it out to the projectors and finish with the gamma settings and final out put settings? See what they can do about sending you out a set of those to test !

Athanasios

What's the market (world-wide, approximate) for edge-blending CRTs?

I have to think "tiny" even including simulations, so I'm surprised that it's as cheap as it is, even given that it's not NASA-level technology...

What's the market (world-wide, approximate) for edge-blending CRTs?

I have to think "tiny" even including simulations, so I'm surprised that it's as cheap as it is, even given that it's not NASA-level technology...

Hello

Interesting question........I have been involved in supplying part or all of four systems and I know of a fifth being pulled together, all with DVX and Marquees, in the last 15 months, so the correct answer for the last twelve months appears to be four a year. And this is with users who bought sight unseen or ventured here to Phoenix to see my system. If you see it you will want it, budget and space (and spouse!) permitting because it combines all of the desirable performance attributes of one CRT with lamp-like light output on screens from nine to fourteen foot in width. By spring of 2008 there should be four or five DVX-based systems in the US in the hands of people willing to hold meets and demos, in Virginia, Texas, California and here in Arizona, so that is as good as I ever hoped for in the first two years, we will see how it goes from here.

http://vgonpic4.tempdomainname.com/i/c/f/1146434325.jpg

What's the market (world-wide, approximate) for edge-blending CRTs?

I have to think "tiny" even including simulations, so I'm surprised that it's as cheap as it is, even given that it's not NASA-level technology...

Those are two separate questions. Edge-blending CRTs? Tim answered that question... not a very big market. Microscopic, I'd even say.

But, these TVOne boxes (or the Di-VentiX boxes for that matter) aren't just for CRT's... they work with other projectors, too. Blending in general is a much larger market. Sim, display, conference, expo, etc. Us CRT'ers are just piggybacking onto that market in that it just happens to work most excellent for CRTs, too.

SC

Hello

SC makes a good point.....I sought a way to assemble a system like this for a long time; we side-stacked Marquees here twice in my garage and went Ooooh and Aaaah at the time, but edge blending rendered side stacking a moot point for the room I actually use, no way to fit it in here. This system suits me perfectly; others will follow or choose something else, this is to be expected, and I thank folks like Gino and Andres and William for getting onboard with BlendZilla and Marquees. Mike Parker is putting a huge effort into finishing William's room in the next six weeks and I believe there is a BlendZilla East Two meet announcing soon.......

Hello

SC makes a good point.....I sought a way to assemble a system like this for a long time; we side-stacked Marquees here twice in my garage and went Ooooh and Aaaah at the time, but edge blending rendered side stacking a moot point for the room I actually use, no way to fit it in here. This system suits me perfectly; others will follow or choose something else, this is to be expected, and I thank folks like Gino and Andres and William for getting onboard with BlendZilla and Marquees. Mike Parker is putting a huge effort into finishing William's room in the next six weeks and I believe there is a BlendZilla East Two meet announcing soon.......

And I have a feeling it will top them all. Including mine. :)

Of course though, Ken will have to do the setup to make it shine like it really should. ;):D

Cliffy

And I have a feeling it will top them all. Including mine. :)

We'll see about that! :p;)

Just waiting for the 2 green LUGs and sony yokes to arrive now, then I will have 2 beastly untouchable Ultra's. :cool: Then hopefully Ken will come down soon after

We'll see about that! :p;)

Just waiting for the 2 green LUGs and sony yokes to arrive now, then I will have 2 beastly untouchable Ultra's. :cool: Then hopefully Ken will come down soon after

Actually, I think we need to crown you the King of CRT. :D:cool:

Cliffy

I vote for Gino too. :)

If I was looking for an edge-blending system from scratch I'd have some honest questions for TVONE:

- Does it accept 1920x1080p@72 HZ over DVI-D?
- Does it accept ~2500x1080p@72 Hz over DVI-D?
- Can one create different blending curves for each channel (R G B)?
- Can you set arbitrary output resolutions?

The DVX does the job, but it lacks features, and honestly Analog Way is not responsive at all with regards to feature requests, including some that are bluntly trivial to implement.

I vote for Gino too. :)

If I was looking for an edge-blending system from scratch I'd have some honest questions for TVONE:

- Does it accept 1920x1080p@72 HZ over DVI-D?
- Does it accept ~2500x1080p@72 Hz over DVI-D?
- Can one create different blending curves for each channel (R G B)?
- Can you set arbitrary output resolutions?

The DVX does the job, but it lacks features, and honestly Analog Way is not responsive at all with regards to feature requests, including some that are bluntly trivial to implement.


I believe its yes to all your questions, It accepts most resolutions and you can output custom rez's to diffrent memory's as well as inputs. now this is on the c2-7200 series not sure about the lesser priced single output units.

Then hopefully Ken will come down soon after


Would you mind flying me down too? I won't charge you for coming, I won't add anything helpful to the setup, but you know, another set of eyes can't hurt, right? :p:D

And just in case Curt and Ken get deadlocked into a 1-to-1 tie on some decision, I'll volunteer to come down, keep my trap shut except to add beer, but I'll be willing to be the tie-breaking vote on contentious issues I know nothing about... ;)

MadMrH, I just checked out the C2-260 ! this is what HTPCers are waiting for! with two cards in a bluray or HD-DVD equiped computer edge blending can be done very afordable!

I've looked at this also. Does there need to be a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player in the PC at all (although this might be best), given that the card features an RGB input that will accept HD resolutions and I already own an HD-DVD player and probably will soon own a Blu-Ray of some sort? Just need a switching system.

Also - TV ONE does not list them (very odd) but what are the system requirements for this card? Anyone know? Is there any other software needed to make a dual card system work?

MadMrH, I just checked out the C2-260 ! this is what HTPCers are waiting for! with two cards in a bluray or HD-DVD equiped computer edge blending can be done very afordable!

But now that I think of it - the C2-260 isn't HDCP compliant. So how would you go about using a HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray drive equipped PC?

But now that I think of it - the C2-260 isn't HDCP compliant. So how would you go about using a HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray drive equipped PC?

I want to know this also, if it will at least pass the hdcp signal through. MadMrH says his Sammy blu-ray has no problem but we are not sure about others. Wish i had one now to test with my Moome cards!!!!:(

Also alan you need dvi or hdmi inputs for the hdcp source to send 1080p i believe other wise we';; only get 1080i and i'm not sure if you can configure the rgb input to dvi-d on this card i think it can be done on the stand alone scalers.

well none the less this is a neet alternative. and the cards are Mac and PC compatible!!! Hmmmmmm, maybe i'll look on e-bay for an older mac pro tower.

But id still rather see the lumagen Radiance with a blend feature, i have a feeling alot more people will want to try blending with the lower prices of crts these days . in reality you can have two 8 inch PJ and the blend rig today for what a cost of one good 9 inch PJ of a few years ago.

got my 2 8 inchers just need the blend rig!!!!:D

Athanasios

I got two 8 inchers too (I thought I was just a freak of nature though):o

[QMadMrH, I just checked out the C2-260 ! this is what HTPCers are waiting for! with two cards in a bluray or HD-DVD equiped computer edge blending can be done very afordable! and most likely you could test the blend and control it alot easier right on the screen? do you thing the software might have a simulated edge blend right on the screen so you can , lets say do a rouhg set up on the pc and then send it out to the projectors and finish with the gamma settings and final out put settings? See what they can do about sending you out a set of those to test !QUOTE]

While I'm not 100% sure about this, I think the C2-260 has identical circuitry to the larger units and functions identically. While it (they) are pc cards, the only hook up to the pc is for a power supply which can be purchased separately for less than $50.
Also, it supposedly functions completely with the optional remote, including setup.
The limitation to this card appears to be that it only has analog inputs, but even the larger series have severe bandwidth limitations on their digital inputs.
While it would be nice to eliminate the extra A/D and D/A steps, just use your favorite scaler to give you an RGB 1080P signal and use the scaler for input switching functions and aspect ratio control and use the C2-260's only for blending and final scaling as only 1080 lines will not be enough for even 8" projectors.
The C2-260 could also change refresh to 72hz so you could have 3:3 smoothness.
Just some thoughts.

Bob

guys, check this out !!


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11372532&postcount=1003

Athanasios

guys, check this out !!

Yes, very nice if it comes about. The thing is - Radiance = big bucks, TV ONE C2-260, much smaller bucks. Although I'd like the Radiance and maybe if I win the lottery this week, I'll go that way.

Actually, I think we need to crown you the King of CRT. :D:cool:

No... you're king until you come down here and let me know what you think ;)

Would you mind flying me down too? I won't charge you for coming, I won't add anything helpful to the setup, but you know, another set of eyes can't hurt, right? :p:D

I wish I could Curt but my pockets aren't that deep! At the moment the offer is for Ken and Cliff.

MadMrH, I just checked out the C2-260 ! this is what HTPCers are waiting for!
Interesting...

http://crtforum.com/img/c2-260.gif

http://www.proavbuyersguide.com/tvone_04_30_07.phpTV One releases the new C2-260 PCI/ISA Card Video Scaler with Overlay and Edgeblending facilities

April 30, 2007

Source: TV One

The new C2-260 PCI/ISA Card Video Scaler from TV One provides high-quality Up-Conversion from standard video formats (PAL, NTSC or SECAM) to computer or HDTV Signals as well as Cross-Conversion from any PC/HD signal to any other. Complete with standard features such as Genlock, Picture-in-Picture, Keying, Mixing and Edgeblending this remarkable product is now available to order across the globe.

The video inputs available on the C2-260 are 2x Composite Video, 2x S-Video or 1x RGBHV, YUV or YPbPr Component. The output is selectable as any computer resolution up to 2048 x 2048 at virtually any vertical refresh rate and all HDTV resolutions up to 1080p. A wide variety of computer signal formats are available to support PC, Mac and Workstation formats.

TV One’s exclusive AutoSet feature takes all of the hassle out of setup by automatically sizing and positioning the computer image to fit exactly on the video screen and an OSD (On-Screen Display) is also provided to assist further. All of the functions of the unit can be controlled via a Windows Control Panel from the host PC via an RS-232 connection. An Infrared Port is located on the card’s mounting plate and an optional Remote Control Unit is available. Like the entire range of C2 products available from TV One, many third-party control systems interface directly with the C2-260 and all of the settings are stored in a non-volatile memory and are retained even when power is switched off.

The C2-260 features a wide variety of additional capabilities such as scaling of the RGB or YPbPr input, Genlock, PIP, Chroma and Luma Keying, Mixing and Edgeblending. The Key Mode allows computer graphics to be keyed over an external Composite or S-Video signal or vice versa. The keyed image may be faded in and out and due to the 4:4:4 sampling format, precise keying at the pixel level can be achieved. The Mix Mode permits glitch-free mixing between the computer image and external video. The PIP Mode allows the computer inputs to be inset in a window over either of the video inputs or vice versa. The C2-260 also comes with Edgeblending as a standard feature and because of the ability to “feather” any or all of the edges, multiple outputs (using more than one compatible C2 product) can be aligned horizontally, vertically or both to create unusual displays. Edgeblending can be applied to any of the inputs on the C2-260 including the Composite and S-Video inputs and since all of the processing is done within the unit, special advance preparation of the video source is not necessary.

Like all C2 products from TV One, the C2-260 is powered by TV One’s own proprietary technology known as CORIO2™, the most flexible video processing engine now available that is completely firmware based. This means that the C2-260 can be upgraded at any time by downloading the latest firmware version from the support website. This enables new features to be added to the unit many years after the initial purchase. This “obsolescence insurance” means that the C2-260 product can always be upgraded to the latest version available.

The C2-260 PCI/ISA Card Video Scaler retails at £595 (€875) and is available to order now.So a pair would cost ~$2400.

http://www.tvone.com/c2-260-main.shtml
http://www.tvone.com/pdf/SpecSheet-C2-260.pdf

So a pair would cost ~$2400.

Much less on this side of the pond - ~$776 each at BHPhotoVideo.

So if the TVOne solution is NOT HDCP compliant what does that mean? that I can't pass in blu-ray or hd-dvd or another source that uses it through the TVone then to my projectors?

People are said to be using things like the HDFury to have an affordable DVI to VGA adapter - why is this still a topic these days ?

So if the TVOne solution is NOT HDCP compliant what does that mean? that I can't pass in blu-ray or hd-dvd or another source that uses it through the TVone then to my projectors?

Are you using a digital or crt projector? People with crt projectors are more aware of solutions to the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray problem. No, you can't use them straight. You'll have to get a card or box, depending on your projector, that strips the HDCP encryption. Most of these solutions convert the signal to RGB; however, a new Moome card keeps the output digital as did an older Dtronics box (Dtronics DVI Link DD-D12). Look in the Displays For Sale Forum here for the many options.