the 300 sales figure show that it has sold more on Blu-Ray. What happens if they countered this news and support Blu-Ray exclusive?

btw, that $150 million payout..isn't that illegal? I bet Microsoft is behind this

Sony has put a lot of money in the pockets of companies releasing on BD including the now HDDVD exclusive Viacom. It didn't seem to be an issue then.
Back on topic, Warner is about one step from being HDDVD exclusive anyway. The only thing that keeps them releasing BDs is the odd title like 300. I believe that catalog is way more equal.

Sony has put a lot of money in the pockets of companies releasing on BD including the now HDDVD exclusive Viacom. It didn't seem to be an issue then.
Back on topic, Warner is about one step from being HDDVD exclusive anyway. The only thing that keeps them releasing BDs is the odd title like 300. I believe that catalog is way more equal.

Warner bros will say neutral...but may go bluray exclusive after this christmas 2007.

All Sony has to do is drop the PS3 price by another $100 to $399 and make some chinese standalone bd players for $199 with HDMI 1.3a and it is all over for HD-DVD...its about price now. Its almost even in the content....but there is still more content on bluray. Spider Man 3 will sale more blurays than all the paramount movies...even transformers.

Warner bros will say neutral...but may go bluray exclusive after this christmas 2007.

All Sony has to do is drop the PS3 price by another $100 to $399 and make some chinese standalone bd players for $199 with HDMI 1.3a and it is all over for HD-DVD...its about price now. Its almost even in the content....but there is still more content on bluray. Spider Man 3 will sale more blurays than all the paramount movies...even transformers.

yeah yeah yeah yeah ............. I hope you're right.
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I love being neutral

Warner will not go BD exclusive as long as HD DVD is still around.

the 300 sales figure show that it has sold more on Blu-Ray. What happens if they countered this news and support Blu-Ray exclusive?

btw, that $150 million payout..isn't that illegal? I bet Microsoft is behind this
When $150 million is on the table, the record shattering sales of 300 still dwarf in comparison.

This all just proves this is *not* a format war about what's best for consumers, it's a format war who's end will be decided by the corporations, not us. More specifically, it's a format war that seemingly will only benefit Microsoft in the long run.

the 300 sales figure show that it has sold more on Blu-Ray. What happens if they countered this news and support Blu-Ray exclusive?



Then you would wake up.

WB is the LAST studio that is going to go exclusive on either side. They've been preaching neutrality from the start. They are the ones pushing Total HD discs, remember?

:rolleyes:

If anything, they might go HD DVD exclusive like Paramount and Dreamworks did. They put a lot more work into the 300 HD DVD, and there are plenty of titles that are still HD DVD exclusive (V for Vendetta, Batman Begins). Sales mean a lot, but according to Paramount, they aren't everything.

My bet is on them staying exclusive though, they recently gloated about making more money than any other studio on next-gen DVD thanks to being format neutral.

Sony has put a lot of money in the pockets of companies releasing on BD including the now HDDVD exclusive Viacom. It didn't seem to be an issue then.
Back on topic, Warner is about one step from being HDDVD exclusive anyway. The only thing that keeps them releasing BDs is the odd title like 300. I believe that catalog is way more equal.

Yes I agree hopefully warner will become HD dvd exclusive.

Peter
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... I bet Microsoft is behind this

As far as TheDigital Bits are concerned - M$ *is* behind it...
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#dp

As far as TheDigital Bits are concerned - M$ *is* behind it...
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#dp

Even if they are (there's no evidence that MS paid Paramount), it's not relevant. It's what is available to consumers that matters.

What do you think!!!!,
Warner exclusive BR NO kidding
Matrix Trilogy, Batman Return, Polar Express only HD DVD, What movies are exclusive for BR?

If Warner is to go to one format exclusively it would probably be HD DVD.

Warner is very proud of their dual-format stance...they won't be going blu-ray exclusive.

No more major studios will be going blu-ray exclusive. Especially now.

Warner is very proud of their dual-format stance...they won't be going blu-ray exclusive.

No more major studios will be going blu-ray exclusive. Especially now.

Then explain why Paramount went HD DVD exclusive? If Paramount can, why can't Warner? Your logic is very flawed. One thing I learned today is everything has a price ...the price was right for Paramount.

Warner receives royalties on the HD DVD technology. They ain't going BD-exclusive anytime soon.

Warner's probably worked it to receive $150 million from EACH Microsoft & the BDA to keep from going exclusive. ;)

btw, that $150 million payout..isn't that illegal? I bet Microsoft is behind this

Disney got 100 million to support Circuit City's divx format back in the day, you can not tell me they are not getting paid now too

Disney got 100 million to support Circuit City's divx format back in the day, you can not tell me they are not getting paid now too

Really? Damn. Nice payout! Did they release anything of significance back then? I can't remember anymore.

All Sony has to do is drop the PS3 price by another $100 to $399

The PS3 price is going up (with the phasing in of the 80gb units), not down.

The PS3 price is going up (with the phasing in of the 80gb units), not down.

Thats because Sony has not got the memo telling them that the price of the PS3 is to high...

Disney got 100 million to support Circuit City's divx format back in the day, you can not tell me they are not getting paid now too
Especially after working with MS to create HDi.

If anything it's going to be easier for WB to go back to being HD DVD exclusive given this Paramount deal.

If anything it's going to be easier for WB to go back to being HD DVD exclusive given this Paramount deal.

WB is more then happy to sell on both formats then one...especially more now then ever. They have 100% of the potential market while every other studio has either 60% or 40% as of today.

warner is part of the hd dvd promotion group...they will not go blu anytime soon.

If anything it's going to be easier for WB to go back to being HD DVD exclusive given this Paramount deal.

Why should they?..Especially if Paramount got 150 million to do it. So Warner will stay format nuetral unless either format pays them 150 million. Being nuetral gives them revenue from both formats.

Then explain why Paramount went HD DVD exclusive? If Paramount can, why can't Warner? Your logic is very flawed. One thing I learned today is everything has a price ...the price was right for Paramount.


Moving to HD DVD benefits the studios as well in cost savings as well as more loyalty from stand alone HD players vs HD player/gaming system.



"Standalone HD DVD players have a bigger slice of the market than Blu-ray players. But when you count Sony's PlayStation 3 game console, which comes with a Blu-ray drive, there are more Blu-ray players in U.S. homes. Rob Moore, president of Paramount Worldwide Distribution, said market data shows that people who own gaming consoles buy fewer movies than those who invest in a movie-only player.

Blu-ray discs can hold more data -- 50 gigabytes compared with HD DVD's 30 GB -- but the technology requires new manufacturing techniques and factories, boosting initial costs. HD DVDs, on the other hand, are essentially DVDs on steroids, meaning movie studios can turn to existing assembly lines to produce them in mass."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Dueling-DVD-Formats.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

If BD community doesn't implement BD Profile 1.1 and 2.0 soon I think Warner will pull out from the BD camp coz of the lackluster support for Interactive content.

If BD community doesn't implement BD Profile 1.1 and 2.0 soon I think Warner will pull out from the BD camp coz of the lackluster support for Interactive content.

I think people ignore just how important this is to studios. We may make light of "It's all about AQ and PQ" but the studios see this as a way to evolve interactivity. They're not going to deliver quality interactive stuff years down the road if they can't familiarize with it now. This is a MAJOR negative against Blu-ray, I'm sad to say, and don't know how much - if at all - this was a factor in Paramount's decision.

If BD community doesn't implement BD Profile 1.1 and 2.0 soon I think Warner will pull out from the BD camp coz of the lackluster support for Interactive content.

i found it VERY interesting that his was one of the main reasons paramount provided for siding with hd dvd. more "market ready technology"...

i found it VERY interesting that his was one of the main reasons paramount provided for siding with hd dvd. more "market ready technology"...

Ditto, considering most of the people I know don't care about extra content.

Warner going HD DVD exclusive is something all HD DVD fans should hope for. It is the one thing that I think would truly finish off Blu Ray.
Also I think Fox would go neutral or red within nine months if it happened.

the 300 sales figure show that it has sold more on Blu-Ray. What happens if they countered this news and support Blu-Ray exclusive?

btw, that $150 million payout..isn't that illegal? I bet Microsoft is behind this

Look at the BD hardware out there. Would you expect anything less? I am sure Warners is VERY HAPPY with their HD DVD sales for 300. They may be looking at what HD DVD has been able to accomplish with less hardware out there in the field.

If I were the BD group I wouldn't want anyone looking into my affairs and business dealings with Target and Blockbuster...would you? And by the way those announcements were NOTHING compared to what happend today. I wonder if Target and Blockbuster are wondering "What the hell did we do?"

Warner going HD DVD exclusive is something all HD DVD fans should hope for. It is the one thing that I think would truly finish off Blu Ray.
Also I think Fox would go neutral or red within nine months if it happened.
Warner's has shown some favoritism for HD DVD. The Blu-fanatics constantly complain about Warner releases. I am sure Warner's knew that Paramount was going this route. Still, when the initially found out I am sure a few eyebrows were raised.

I already got 300 so I won't care until Batman: The Dark Knight is out, and I really don't expect HDDVD to be around that long. :) Seriously, though, I was looking forward to 300 for so long, i really doubt I would. I'd like the Matrix set, but as I was contemplating getting the Complete Matrix set on HDDVD, I rewatched my "Ultimate" DVD set and decided I'd wait. I still want it in HD but will wait until it's thrown in a deal with a cheap (<$200) Toshiba or maybe the Onkyo.

If BD community doesn't implement BD Profile 1.1 and 2.0 soon I think Warner will pull out from the BD camp coz of the lackluster support for Interactive content.

Really not important. Who cares about those features anyway?

I agree. This announcement has sent a message loud and clear to the BD group. Get your specs in order and FAST. As much as I love Denon, I will not pay 2 grand for a 1.1 player (or even $1,200 for a rumered less expensive model.)

Nobody knows for sure but if Warner was to go HD DVD exclusive they might as well stop producing high definition discs altogether. The consumer is sure to be thoroughly confused and they will stick with what they know and love, the DVD. This war will drag on indefinitely and most retailers will stock only a few titles because of the limitations of space. This wasn't a loss for Blu-ray, and it wasn't a win for HD DVD it was a defeat for high definition media.

As far as TheDigital Bits are concerned - M$ *is* behind it...
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#dp

Such a bitter man that fellow is now that "his format" took a blow.

Sure, no comment on Sony greasing the BD wheels at all for all the stuff in the past few months...hello Target!

I mean if he's going to stay a digital medium review site, he better play all angles, and I don't care what his "bold" statements in that section say. It's the Blu Bits and the rest is rubbish to him. That man has completely lost it. If that's the case with his Microsoft theory, then there goes Lionsgate and Disney to HD-DVD as they have download support on the Marketplace. I love the early to late posts. I think drinking was involved. The DigitalShits in full swing ladies and gents! :)

Anyway, if Warner didn't release The Matrix on HD-DVD only and hasn't delivered upon Batman Begins yet, then I don't see them going BD exclusive any time soon. Netural-ish is about it. Then again, Warner does have a lot of content to download via the Xbox Marketplace...:p

HD-DVD fans may be having fun right now, but the reality of the situation is that this war is not a war, but just a plain massacre.

They are sending their troops out to be killed for a meaningless war. Blu will never back down, it'll always have ONE exclusive company.

Here's to hoping that a new format will crown both.

Like I said before. Why would Warner go HD-DVD only now without a payment? After Paramount just received a bunch of dough. If any Warner exec decided this now without a payment would be crucified by his/her bosses. And this goes the same if Warner went BD exclusive.

Such a bitter man that fellow is now that "his format" took a blow.

Sure, no comment on Sony greasing the BD wheels at all for all the stuff in the past few months...hello Target!

I mean if he's going to stay a digital medium review site, he better play all angles, and I don't care what his "bold" statements in that section say. It's the Blu Bits and the rest is rubbish to him. That man has completely lost it. If that's the case with his Microsoft theory, then there goes Lionsgate and Disney to HD-DVD as they have download support on the Marketplace. I love the early to late posts. I think drinking was involved. The DigitalShits in full swing ladies and gents! :)

Anyway, if Warner didn't release The Matrix on HD-DVD only and hasn't delivered upon Batman Begins yet, then I don't see them going BD exclusive any time soon. Netural-ish is about it. Then again, Warner does have a lot of content to download via the Xbox Marketplace...:p

I'm seriously starting to wonder about that guy. Some of his "my 2 cents" posts are not even coherent. He goes back and edits the hell out of them. His site is garbage, anyway. It looks like it's been beat with a fugly stick. :D

Nobody knows for sure but if Warner was to go HD DVD exclusive they might as well stop producing high definition discs altogether. The consumer is sure to be thoroughly confused and they will stick with what they know and love, the DVD. This war will drag on indefinitely and most retailers will stock only a few titles because of the limitations of space. This wasn't a loss for Blu-ray, and it wasn't a win for HD DVD it was a defeat for high definition media.
This is a PR war, and Warner going HDDVD exclusively would make for some incredible PR. I think it would take a BD exclusive following them to out an end to this. Fox won't be the one, so all that is left is Disney.

Here's to hoping that a new format will crown both.

HVD?

the 300 sales figure show that it has sold more on Blu-Ray. What happens if they countered this news and support Blu-Ray exclusive?

btw, that $150 million payout..isn't that illegal? I bet Microsoft is behind this

Its not a payout, its a promotion incentive and no its not illegal. Keep in mind the largets BDA player is subsidized to the tune of 2-3 times that payout every quarter and no one seems to complain.

the 300 sales figure show that it has sold more on Blu-Ray. What happens if they countered this news and support Blu-Ray exclusive?



Another pipe dream for the blu team who took the art of illusion/smoke and mirrors to new heights. Only to have it all come crashing down from the paramount announcement.

If I were a Blu fan I would seriously prepare myself for this Friday. The word is that WB goes HD DVD exclusive AGAIN and that a current Blu-ray studio goes neutral. This last studio is NOT a big studio.

WB to go Blu?... :confused: Sleept tight brothers, it will never, ever happen! ;)

If I were a Blu fan I would seriously prepare myself for this Friday. The word is that WB goes HD DVD exclusive AGAIN and that a current Blu-ray studio goes neutral. This last studio is NOT a big studio.

who is reporting this?

Another pipe dream for the blu team who took the art of illusion/smoke and mirrors to new heights. Only to have it all come crashing down from the paramount announcement.

Man you sound depressed Reg, maybe some Lexipro might help you.. ;) LOL Come on man you have more content in your brain that that BS...

Man as consumers we are seriously getting "F"ed here.... On either side of the fence, if HD-DVD wins out, I see prices shooting up on software and hardware staying the same or going higher. How about all the hardware manaufactuers getting screwed over with new BR units they just came out with... Anyway you sum this up, it is a Win for HD-DVD for now, a battle as been won, but the War will go on and on and on... Next thing there will be lawyers involved and everyone investigated and it will go on and on.... ;( Now that is depressing, Reg, I will take a Red Pill as well!!! :(

I don't understand why people are surprised by the Paramount announcement and think WB could never do the same. Sony is a movie studio who controls a proprietary media format. How hard do you think it really was to convince a rival studio to do something that takes money away from Sony. Does everyone honestly believe that when Fox and Disney fulfill their respective obligations to Sony that they will continue to support their competitor without some real compensation in return. Sony being a competing studio is really starting to show in my opinion.

beatboy made a statement that Warner is being offered 225mill to go HD-DVD exclusive and that they are "very" interested. Supposedly they will decide by Friday. So we'll see if he has some true insider info..

beatboy made a statement that Warner is being offered 225mill to go HD-DVD exclusive and that they are "very" interested. Supposedly they will decide by Friday. So we'll see if he has some true insider info..That dude is going nuts with this format war crap. He needs to get away from here and spend more time with his family. He has a real problem with being OCD!

When $150 million is on the table, the record shattering sales of 300 still dwarf in comparison.

This all just proves this is *not* a format war about what's best for consumers, it's a format war who's end will be decided by the corporations, not us. More specifically, it's a format war that seemingly will only benefit Microsoft in the long run.

Or Sony. Take whatever colored pill you choose.

I think people ignore just how important this is to studios. We may make light of "It's all about AQ and PQ" but the studios see this as a way to evolve interactivity. They're not going to deliver quality interactive stuff years down the road if they can't familiarize with it now. This is a MAJOR negative against Blu-ray, I'm sad to say, and don't know how much - if at all - this was a factor in Paramount's decision.

Paramount releases are typically barebone. They have been that way since the early days of DVD.

:pbeatboy made a statement that Warner is being offered 225mill to go HD-DVD exclusive and that they are "very" interested. Supposedly they will decide by Friday. So we'll see if he has some true insider info..

So basically HD-DVD is buying its way out of worse sales than Blu-Ray? Man that is comical, but see this is ok because it is HD-DVD. And since you guys never trusted this guy before, since you like what you hear trust him now..

Maybe Sony should pull out there Wallet and say here is $300 million... I would, I can't see Toshiba coming up with this cash by themselves. Also you would think Paramount got the shaft since they only got $150 mill....


Here:

WARNER BROTHERS SWITCHES TO BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE, Sony pays up and
pushes On...... Since this is a Blu-Ray forum I say we keep this Spin on the positive side, don't you thing Poorland, because if I was posting this on the HD-DVD forum about beatboy saying this for the Blu-Ray camp I am sure you guys would have the thread closed.... ;)

Ditto, considering most of the people I know don't care about extra content.


You know what? Better fake you care or something, because it is swaying the studios.

Warner going HD DVD exclusive is something all HD DVD fans should hope for.

If it is going to happen, expect it within the next 6 - 8 weeks.

You know what? Better fake you care or something, because it is swaying the studios.

WTF? "Better fake care"

Urza: Paramount better open it's flood gates soon, because it seems like Fox is doing it on Blu-Ray..

WARNER BROTHERS SWITCHES TO BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE...... I like that ring, hopefully "beatboy is wrong as usual" and they don't go the other way..

in my opinion, its more realistic WB will go HD DVD exclusive, M$ has alot of ca$h and the BDA and SONY just watch.

Microsoft sells the VC1 and some interactivity but I don't really see microsoft throwing that kinda money to help hddvd. Especially considering Paramount started using Mpeg4.

Microsoft sells the VC1 and some interactivity but I don't really see microsoft throwing that kinda money to help hddvd. Especially considering Paramount started using Mpeg4.

Microsoft knows that Sony can very close at closing this deal... And I am sure they had some insider stuff going on to help out and sway things in the other direction. Money talks, but greed eventually gets you in trouble and MS and Sony know this all too well... MS is quietly building downloadable content online and they would like to see both of these formats fail, in my opinion of course. MS doesn't like the fact that Apple has a large head start of them in this field.

Really not important. Who cares about those features anyway?


:rolleyes:

Clearly not BD fanboys.

:rolleyes:

Clearly not BD fanboys.

Actually he is a sane HD-DVD supporter! :)

Don't forget Warner released Blood Diamond on Blu over a month BEFORE the HD-DVD release because the IME wasn't ready - they are not as biased to the red side anymore as they were last year.

Don't forget Warner released Blood Diamond on Blu over a month BEFORE the HD-DVD release because the IME wasn't ready - they are not as biased to the red side anymore as they were last year.

And lets not forget 300 sold more copies on Blu-Ray than HD-DVD did, but I guess if some one greases your hands with greenbacks it really doesn't matter..

This is so pathetic. Is it too late for Laserdisk to win?

If one of these companies want to blatantly just buy their way to the standard, they can send me the money instead of paying each other. Microsoft could have bought a million HD-DVD players and given them out for free.

Personally I don't see Warner giving up being neutral, I do see them stacking the deck in HD-DVDs favor though. Some weird wording in a new interview leads me too think Warner is soon to adopt a two sku release plan, in which only a BD version and a Dual DVD/HD-DVD version of its films are released.

Warner won't go exclusive. A title like 300 has proven people obviously don't care about all those extra's.

If Warner was really offered 225 mill. Sony will double it. They're not letting them go exclusive, not now, not ever.

This is so pathetic. Is it too late for Laserdisk to win?

Wow, can you imagine the capacity of a Blu-laserdisc?