How ironic it is that Microsoft supports a HD-DVD player running a Linux operating system and pays millions to a studio that uses GNU Linux to create content.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9653

You have to parse any Microsoft statement. "We didn't pay Paramount" means we gave money to HD-DVD and they gave the money to Paramount.

If you drink Microsoft Kool-Aid you could end up in a
Guyana grave yard With Jim Jones.

Full Disclosure:
I support Blu-Ray (computer burnner that is).
Not really into mainstream Hollywood movies so it will be a few years before I am interested in consoles.

ms is just out to get sony

that's the only reason they're keeping hd dvd on life support

they got burnt by sony when sony said no to them making the os for ps2

Yeh Sony should get really mad and stop paying MS millions of dollars for using their software.

Congratulations gentlemen!! Your moronic conspiratorialist uninformed posts in this forum have pushed my ignore list over 150 members!!!

Will all of you cry baby bluray.com kiddies please go back to your own forum, take a week or so for the pain and hurt to subside and then maybe come back and talk rationally?

But you think Fox and Disney were just doing the right thing, and didn't get incentives?

Obviously the statement "We didn't write any checks" is a non-denial, especially since they "wouldn't rule out money having echanged hands". The whole thing is bullsh!t, because they knew HD DVD was dying otherwise.

But you think Fox and Disney were just doing the right thing, and didn't get incentives?

No, I think Fox and Disney didn't pull support out from under customers who had already bought a player in the middle of the format war. They didn't abandon a single person who had already spent their money on a player. Niether did Universal. Paramount did, and rightfully deserves whatever scorn is heaped upon them by the fans that plunked down $$$ to watch their movies on Blu-ray.

And worse, they did it for no reason other than a payoff. :mad:

Obviously the statement "We didn't write any checks" is a non-denial, especially since they "wouldn't rule out money having echanged hands". The whole thing is bullsh!t, because they knew HD DVD was dying otherwise.

No, you thought HD DVD was dying. Afterall you have ben claiming it for months. Apparently Paramount didn't, along with many others. But what do they know, it's only their business.

But you think Fox and Disney were just doing the right thing, and didn't get incentives?

Don't you know! Fox and Disney are perfect! They never accept money! They keep denying my money when I ask them for HD DVD movies ;)

hd-dvd fanbois are funny. after spending months being beat up, and pleading for the blu-ray crowd to be nice. Instead of showing class, they go ahead and be just as bad, if not worse then the blu-ray crowd.

hd-dvd fanbois are funny. after spending months being beat up, and pleading for the blu-ray crowd to be nice. Instead of showing class, they go ahead and be just as bad, if not worse then the blu-ray crowd.

Did you really expect a different outcome? This is much like American politics, the whole thing is so divisive that any idea of civility is consistantly thrown out the window. Its a shame, I wish people were this passionate about race relations in this country.

Did you really expect a different outcome? This is much like American politics, the whole thing is so divisive that any idea of civility is consistantly thrown out the window. Its a shame, I wish people were this passionate about race relations in this country.

I had some hopes it would be different,.

then I saw all those posts in the big thread from the hd-dvd crowd, all the photo chop and such.

while blu-ray may lose. At least that crowd has been hyping and putting down the other from day 1.

The hd-dvd crowd is just way too two faced for me.

Heh, all the grown adults crying about the Paramount deal is amazing. How many of you really think any of this truly matters in your life? Do you really think any of these multi-nationals give a crap about you? The amount of delusional fantasies some of you have is just incredible. Sometimes a lemon is just a lemon. A studio decided to go with what it felt was the better choice for them. Just like other studios decided the opposite choice. The main thing is that one studio did this after testing both sides and that is why Sony/BDA is so up in arms about this as it abolishes all their previous talking points. Now its all damage control. I'm not going to speculate as to what the true source of all these new conspiratorial articles are, but its easy to see where they may be coming from.

No, I think Fox and Disney didn't pull support out from under customers who had already bought a player in the middle of the format war. They didn't abandon a single person who had already spent their money on a player. Niether did Universal. Paramount did, and rightfully deserves whatever scorn is heaped upon them by the fans that plunked down $$$ to watch their movies on Blu-ray.

And worse, they did it for no reason other than a payoff. :mad:

Really?

There's no other reason than a supposed payoff?

1. Maybe the BDA ticked off someone high enough in the food chain at Paramount?
2. Maybe Paramount hasn't been receiving as many BD50s as they'd like?
3. Maybe production costs were higher that they liked?
4. Maybe certain interactive criteria haven't been met for Java?

Maybe, Maybe, Maybe. There are lots of things we KNOW about to be upset about in this world of ours.

No, I think Fox and Disney didn't pull support out from under customers who had already bought a player in the middle of the format war. They didn't abandon a single person who had already spent their money on a player. Niether did Universal. Paramount did, and rightfully deserves whatever scorn is heaped upon them by the fans that plunked down $$$ to watch their movies on Blu-ray.

And worse, they did it for no reason other than a payoff. :mad:

Middle of the format war? I though we were at the end of the format war.
Face it, you just don't want to buy a $199 HD DVD player this fall, not because of the money but because you thought you were sitting pretty. At least it's not going to cost you the $400 minimum BD will cost me.

No, I think Fox and Disney didn't pull support out from under customers who had already bought a player in the middle of the format war. They didn't abandon a single person who had already spent their money on a player. Niether did Universal. Paramount did, and rightfully deserves whatever scorn is heaped upon them by the fans that plunked down $$$ to watch their movies on Blu-ray.

And worse, they did it for no reason other than a payoff. :mad:

Really?

There's no other reason than a supposed payoff?

1. Maybe the BDA ticked off someone high enough in the food chain at Paramount?
2. Maybe Paramount hasn't been receiving as many BD50s as they'd like?
3. Maybe production costs were higher that they liked?
4. Maybe certain interactive criteria haven't been met for Java?
5. They finally got around to reading that letter I sent them last year? ;)

Maybe, Maybe, Maybe. There are lots of things we KNOW about to be upset about in this world of ours.

Why doesn't Microsoft just pay Sony and the Blu-Ray group like 20 Bill to just go away. That would definitely end the format war and M$ has plenty of money for that.

I had some hopes it would be different,.

then I saw all those posts in the big thread from the hd-dvd crowd, all the photo chop and such.

while blu-ray may lose. At least that crowd has been hyping and putting down the other from day 1.

The hd-dvd crowd is just way too two faced for me.

You're a funny guy. For over a year now we have had to deal with the BR spinning BS and the constant attacks in the HD DVD forum by the pimpled fanboys, yet now you'd like them to "play nice" in return ?

It's all fine and dandy until the wheel truly starts spinning and you can't hang...

The whole thing is bullsh!t, because they knew HD DVD was dying otherwise.

If by dying you actually mean continued growth and new releases ever week then sure.

Middle of the format war? I though we were at the end of the format war.

We were. Now we're not. Simple as that. I've said repeatedly that this is splendid turn of events for HD DVD supporters.

Face it, you just don't want to buy a $199 HD DVD player this fall, not because of the money but because you thought you were sitting pretty.

Face it, I already own an A1, so it'll cost me nothing. Regardless, I will not be buying any Paramount products, period. If they think they can ignore the 2/3rds of the market that bought a player based on their pledge of neutrality and not have repurcussions, they are mistaken.


At least it's not going to cost you the $400 minimum BD will cost me.

It sure won't. Except that you'll be able to get player below $400 before the holidays. Bank on it.

Why doesn't Microsoft just pay Sony and the Blu-Ray group like 20 Bill to just go away. That would definitely end the format war and M$ has plenty of money for that.

Because they can do it a lot cheaper paying for exclusives and cutting player prices.

Funny how all these Blu supporters never said anything when Sony paid Target and Blockbuster for exclusivity are crying out against HD DVD when they do it.

Really?

There's no other reason than a supposed payoff?

1. Maybe the BDA ticked off someone high enough in the food chain at Paramount?
2. Maybe Paramount hasn't been receiving as many BD50s as they'd like?
3. Maybe production costs were higher that they liked?
4. Maybe certain interactive criteria haven't been met for Java?
5. They finally got around to reading that letter I sent them last year? ;)

Maybe, Maybe, Maybe. There are lots of things we KNOW about to be upset about in this world of ours.


Is it more effective if you post the same message twice? Maybe those things did happen. We know that many insiders, including those quoted by the New York Times, have said they are getting $150,000,000 dollars US in "incetives". We also know that they are suddenly and without warning removing their products from Blu-ray customers (2/3rds of the HDM market, in case you haven't noticed) as a result. I don't care what other problems they have, they are making an anti-consumer choice far worse than Universal or Disney, and doing it while being on the take. They deserver our scorn, not our praise.

In contrast, if Fox had gone neutral (or Universal) it would have had a huge impact on the format wars, but it would not have been anti-consumer. There is no way around this, Paramount is screwing some of their loyal customers, and they are taking $150,000,000 to do it.

osstcay, someone is desperate to kill of HD optical media. This deal is proof of it. $150 million short term can talk, but I think all these companies want pure DRM pay per view downloads only at far inferior-to-theater quality.

But you think Fox and Disney were just doing the right thing, and didn't get incentives?


Fox and Disney haven't dishonestly touted their support for a particular format. Paramount shafted their largest HDM base by taking a payoff. That's fine, it's the Microsoft, er, American way to make a quick buck. Just don't expect thinking people to roll over and beg for more.

Man there is a LOT of crying going on today. And now the same BDA soldiers who loved to rub everything in HD DVD owner's faces are crying how unfair it is and how mean those people are today.

Classic.

You know. Perhaps Paramount just knows the cheaper players are the way into the mass consumer's hands, and they can concentrate on that market. But of course, to the BD fanboys, it HAD TO BE A PAYOFF. IT JUST HAD TO BE!!!!

My daughter and some neighbor's girls were playing in the back yard last week. They were racing back and forth between two trees. During one race on kid tried to push the other out of the way at the start almost knocking her down. I walked over and made sure she was OK and told the kids to "play nice". The next race, the girl who was pushed, pushed the other girl and knocked her down. She then got up and started crying that she was pushed and that the other girl was being unfair.

I bring this up because it reminds me of some people here. By the way, the girls were 4 years old.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ottscay
No, I think Fox and Disney didn't pull support out from under customers who had already bought a player in the middle of the format war. They didn't abandon a single person who had already spent their money on a player. Niether did Universal. Paramount did, and rightfully deserves whatever scorn is heaped upon them by the fans that plunked down $$$ to watch their movies on Blu-ray.

And worse, they did it for no reason other than a payoff.




While I do agree with some of the content you posted, I think that a number of people would be pissed with Fox and their support. Especially if people bought BD on their promises for releases. I believe that they pulled their support wouldn't you agree?

No, I think Fox and Disney didn't pull support out from under customers who had already bought a player in the middle of the format war. They didn't abandon a single person who had already spent their money on a player. Niether did Universal. Paramount did, and rightfully deserves whatever scorn is heaped upon them by the fans that plunked down $$$ to watch their movies on Blu-ray.

And worse, they did it for no reason other than a payoff. :mad:



The companies each said that the decision to distribute exclusively in the HD DVD format resulted from an extensive evaluation of current market offerings, which confirmed the clear benefits of HD DVD, particularly its market-ready technology and lower manufacturing costs


Educate yourself :rolleyes:

Middle of the format war? I though we were at the end of the format war.
Face it, you just don't want to buy a $199 HD DVD player this fall, not because of the money but because you thought you were sitting pretty. At least it's not going to cost you the $400 minimum BD will cost me.

Flawless.....

Congratulations gentlemen!! Your moronic conspiratorialist uninformed posts in this forum have pushed my ignore list over 150 members!!!

Wow ignore all opposing views...Ignorance IS bliss!!!:D

No, I think Fox and Disney didn't pull support out from under customers who had already bought a player in the middle of the format war. They didn't abandon a single person who had already spent their money on a player. Niether did Universal. Paramount did, and rightfully deserves whatever scorn is heaped upon them by the fans that plunked down $$$ to watch their movies on Blu-ray.

And worse, they did it for no reason other than a payoff. :mad:

Forgive me for shouting, but:

DONT YOU WANT TO SEE HD DVD DEAD, SO THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS BOUGHT INTO THE FORMAT WILL HAVE NO MOVIE TO SEE???!!?!?!

In essence, you want every single studio to stop publishing in HD DVD, correct
? Or do I have you mistaken for someone else?

I had some hopes it would be different,.

then I saw all those posts in the big thread from the hd-dvd crowd, all the photo chop and such.

while blu-ray may lose. At least that crowd has been hyping and putting down the other from day 1.

The hd-dvd crowd is just way too two faced for me.

I was almost going to agree with you until that last 2 sentences.

hd-dvd fanbois are funny. after spending months being beat up, and pleading for the blu-ray crowd to be nice. Instead of showing class, they go ahead and be just as bad, if not worse then the blu-ray crowd.
That's what bullies get when the tide turns. If you want people to be nice to you, you should have been nice to them.

No one here could possibly prove that MS was the source of the money, but if you think their denial that they wrote the check is worth anything, have a look at this CNet report (http://news.com.com/Fact+and+fiction+in+the+Microsoft-SCO+relationship/2100-7344_3-5450515.html).

I'm with Ottscay on this. I wanted an end to the war more than I wanted Blu-ray to win, so I am doulbly annoyed: the end to the war was in sight, and that is exactly why this deal was done. HD DVD, whether you want to admit it or not, was facing getting the squeeze by retailers. Now it's not. This is good for HD DVD no doubt, but it's not any good for consumers. The next batch of adopters want a winner, and we've gone from a clear leader to probable deadlock and the slowed adoption that probably results. HDM will sell a lot over the holidays, but will it be as much as they could have? Certainly tens or hundreds of thousands less copies of Paramount titles!

And you need only ask who benefits...

Fox and Disney haven't dishonestly touted their support for a particular format. Paramount shafted their largest HDM base by taking a payoff. That's fine, it's the Microsoft, er, American way to make a quick buck. Just don't expect thinking people to roll over and beg for more.

Ah, but you are for studios cutting off content in the case of HD DVD, right? You want BD to win, and Warner et. al. to stop publishing in HD DVD, thus "screwing" HD DVD fans.

the end to the war was in sight, and that is exactly why this deal was done. ...

You only thought the end was in sight because you had no idea what the business plans of the HD DVD group was. Maybe you didn't know as much as you thought you did, and this was a lot closer than you had imagine.

No one here could possibly prove that MS was the source of the money, but if you think their denial that they wrote the check is worth anything, have a look at this CNet report (http://news.com.com/Fact+and+fiction+in+the+Microsoft-SCO+relationship/2100-7344_3-5450515.html).

I'm with Ottscay on this. I wanted an end to the war more than I wanted Blu-ray to win, so I am doulbly annoyed: the end to the war was in sight, and that is exactly why this deal was done. HD DVD, whether you want to admit it or not, was facing getting the squeeze by retailers. Now it's not. This is good for HD DVD no doubt, but it's not any good for consumers. The next batch of adopters want a winner, and we've gone from a clear leader to probable deadlock and the slowed adoption that probably results. HDM will sell a lot over the holidays, but will it be as much as they could have? Certainly tens or hundreds of thousands less copies of Paramount titles!

And you need only ask who benefits...

I am growing tired of the "I just wanted the format war to end...sure I am a BR supporter but that has nothing to do with it!" comments.

What, did you think Toshiba, MS and Universal were just going to give up? Did you drink the Sony kool-aid and believe that "HD DVD will be dead in 6 months!"?

Did you think that the word "gullible" was not in the dictionary????
(pause while BR fans go to check)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
Congratulations gentlemen!! Your moronic conspiratorialist uninformed posts in this forum have pushed my ignore list over 150 members!!!
Wow ignore all opposing views...Ignorance IS bliss!!!:D

hey, thebland, do you seriously think he'll see your comment? :p

hey, thebland, do you seriously think he'll see your comment? :p

Well NOW I did:p

The people on my ignore list are their for one of two reasons:

1) They are immature childish "l337" posts that I came to AVS to avoid

2) I know what they are going to say on a particular subject just as soon as I see their name and save myself the time and trouble of reading it.

The ignore function for the new board software allows you to now see everyone on your list at once. One of the nice things is that a lot of the ones on my list no longer post here.

Congratulations gentlemen!! Your moronic conspiratorialist uninformed posts in this forum have pushed my ignore list over 150 members!!!

Will all of you cry baby bluray.com kiddies please go back to your own forum, take a week or so for the pain and hurt to subside and then maybe come back and talk rationally?

you can add me to one of those ignore list too. So your ignore list would be over 150 members!!!:D

My daughter and some neighbor's girls were playing in the back yard last week. They were racing back and forth between two trees. During one race on kid tried to push the other out of the way at the start almost knocking her down. I walked over and made sure she was OK and told the kids to "play nice". The next race, the girl who was pushed, pushed the other girl and knocked her down. She then got up and started crying that she was pushed and that the other girl was being unfair.

I bring this up because it reminds me of some people here. By the way, the girls were 4 years old.

Pay back is a bitch! Somethings don't change!

Forgive me for shouting, but:

DONT YOU WANT TO SEE HD DVD DEAD, SO THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS BOUGHT INTO THE FORMAT WILL HAVE NO MOVIE TO SEE???!!?!?!

In essence, you want every single studio to stop publishing in HD DVD, correct
? Or do I have you mistaken for someone else?

http://www.naturesongs.com/cricket1.wav

Did you really expect a different outcome? This is much like American politics, the whole thing is so divisive that any idea of civility is consistantly thrown out the window. Its a shame, I wish people were this passionate about race relations in this country.

Totally agree. Now that would be something to talk about.

This is good for HD DVD no doubt, but it's not any good for consumers.

IMO actually this is GREAT NEWS for consumers. There will be more media available for the lower priced format, with quality equal to or greater than the more expensive format.

Ah, but you are for studios cutting off content in the case of HD DVD, right? You want BD to win, and Warner et. al. to stop publishing in HD DVD, thus "screwing" HD DVD fans.

Nope. They can publish in HD-DVD until it makes no more financial sense to do so. I'm in this for the specs and Blu-Ray wins.

You see those shiny discs have a lot of purposes beyond just movies and 50gb will always be better than 30.

How ironic it is that Microsoft supports a HD-DVD player running a Linux operating system and pays millions to a studio that uses GNU Linux to create content.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9653

You have to parse any Microsoft statement. "We didn't pay Paramount" means we gave money to HD-DVD and they gave the money to Paramount.

If you drink Microsoft Kool-Aid you could end up in a
Guyana grave yard With Jim Jones.

Full Disclosure:
I support Blu-Ray (computer burnner that is).
Not really into mainstream Hollywood movies so it will be a few years before I am interested in consoles.

So why then does Sony PCs and laptops come pre=loaded with Microsoft Windows?

I really don't understand people not being happy with this announcement. This is good for everyone. Just like BD has some technical advantages in capacity and transfer rates and HD DVD currently has advantages in interactivity, having two strong formats is good for the consumer. We'll get better encodes and cheaper hardware. Who cares if money was the reason for the change. Everyone, including Paramount, MS and the consumer wins. Now we just need Warner to pick a side and all will be well.

Nope. They can publish in HD-DVD until it makes no more financial sense to do so. I'm in this for the specs and Blu-Ray wins.

You see those shiny discs have a lot of purposes beyond just movies and 50gb will always be better than 30.

What specs? The random specs that may or may not apply to different generations of Blu-Ray players? Do you have a blu-ray burner yet? What are you backing up that requires 50GB optical media? How much are you paying for write once media? 50GB is too small to back up the average PC drive and it's far too slow. You can buy 500GB external hard disks for 120 bucks.

I doubt your burning home movies because you're not going to pay the AACS license fee. So really what exactly are you planning on doing with a blu-ray burner?

As for the original poster displaying his ignorance about Microsoft and Linux, does he not realize Microsoft has agreements with Novell and other distros? Not really sure what the point of the original post was.

What specs? The random specs that may or may not apply to different generations of Blu-Ray players? Do you have a blu-ray burner yet? What are you backing up that requires 50GB optical media? How much are you paying for write once media? 50GB is too small to back up the average PC drive and it's far too slow. You can buy 500GB external hard disks for 120 bucks.

I doubt your burning home movies because you're not going to pay the AACS license fee. So really what exactly are you planning on doing with a blu-ray burner?

As for the original poster displaying his ignorance about Microsoft and Linux, does he not realize Microsoft has agreements with Novell and other distros? Not really sure what the point of the original post was."So really what exactly are you planning on doing with a DVD burner?" said someone 5 years ago when CD-RW drives became mainstream... :rolleyes:

Fox and Disney haven't dishonestly touted their support for a particular format. Paramount shafted their largest HDM base by taking a payoff. That's fine, it's the Microsoft, er, American way to make a quick buck. Just don't expect thinking people to roll over and beg for more.

Boy was I annoyed when Disney and Fox pulled support from DivX... :p

At least you can watch the paramount movies you already have on BD, unlike with DivX.

"So really what exactly are you planning on doing with a DVD burner?" said someone 5 years ago when CD-RW drives became mainstream... :rolleyes:

While I essentially agree with you... it's hard to make these comparisons in an ever changing market.

Replace the scenario with Zip discs and you get the picture. Sometimes things just get displaced altogether. How many here would buy say a 700MB Zip disc? (Zip was 100MB back in the day CDRW were 650/700MB, DVD is nearly 7x improvement in capacity so CD-DVD is Zip100 to Zip700).

We can't assume the impact next gen writeable optical media is going to follow the same evolution as DVDs. It may get displaced or it may take off in a major way, nobody knows.

I believe the value in 50GB media, but then, very few people I know back up their data onto DVDs... documents they store on USB keys, media they keep on hard drives etc. I don't feel safe leaving my data in only one place (especially since the stuff that I treasure the most is that which is irreplaceable).

Sharing home videos with relatives will gravitate towards video sharing sites etc. it's just the way people are nowadays. They can freely upload the video and send links to friends/family, or they can make multiple copies on DVD and post it to friends/family... or they can upload and send the links and if anyone really likes it they can ask for a DVD version... lots more choices nowadays.

Wedding videos is probably the biggest early adopter market... but I don't even like wedding videos, to me the photos re-tell the story better :)

"So really what exactly are you planning on doing with a DVD burner?" said someone 5 years ago when CD-RW drives became mainstream... :rolleyes:

what do average people do with a dvd burner? :confused:

pirate dvds?