KBI

How would the 555 or 595 compair to the pioneer 800c as supposed to movies? Im looking for something along the lines of 50% gaming and 50% movies. The price is about the same when you figure in the jvc 5.1 and the 595 compared to the 800c but are they as good or better for movies?

For SS I'd give the edge to the pioneers even though the JVC's also support DD 5.1.. But for SQ I'd bet the 555 & 595 would best the Pioneer, although no slouch in that department.. For an all in one, plus being wireless, I'm sure you'd be most pleased with the Pioneer for movies & gaming. Every site I been too, they are always highly recommended. Theres a long thread about the pioneers on this site. I forgot the forum. I have yet to hear of anyone that were unsatisfied with the Pioneers.

http://www.audiocubes.com/category/Headphones_Wireless,+Surround/product/Pioneer_SE-DIR800C_Dolby_Digital_Surround_Headphones.html

You get a free voltage converter.. This becomes a moot point if you can find one in the states..

Features

Enjoy music, movie, and game through high quality bass & treble sound from 24bit digital signal processing playback in three-dimensional surround sound field just like the theater
Pioneer's 2003 Dolby Surround Headphones with DTS technology
Supports Dolby DTS, Dolby Pro-logic II, Dolby digital EX, DTS-ES
Automatic Movie/Music selection according to signal inputted
Soft fitting new development "dual stabilized hanger" adoption
Comfortable jersey ear pad
Accepts both digital (Toslink) and analog inputs (RCA)

I doubt the JVC supports this function.. But for the price you should get more.. & analog inputs is a plus too..

Cnets review. 8.3.

http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones-headsets/pioneer-se-dir800c/4505-6468_7-31225550.html?tag=prod.txt.7

"it's far more speaker like than stereo. In fact, once we were engrossed in the movie, we forgot the sound was coming over headphones"

"They even bested the sound we were getting from our Grado SR125 corded headphones in that the DIR800Cs were more open, with their sound less stuck inside your head."

"Three inputs cover every connectivity contingency: RCA stereo analog inputs, plus optical and coaxial digital inputs to connect with your DVD player and A/V receiver. We're not sure why it's there, but the base has a headphone output jack that you can use with corded headphones."

"these Pioneers certainly rate near the top of the current crop of wireless surround headphones."

Yea I've done alot of reading in regards to the pioneer and your right..theres really not a bad review of them. I've also seen that review on Cnet, thanks for the links though, and had really been set on buying the pioneers but I just wanted to get your perspective of it since you were considered the Headphone Czar and all. lol. Just wanted to keep my options open and I know that Senns are highly respected for their quality. Thanks for the response.

Yea I've done alot of reading in regards to the pioneer and your right..theres really not a bad review of them. I've also seen that review on Cnet, thanks for the links though, and had really been set on buying the pioneers but I just wanted to get your perspective of it since you were considered the Headphone Czar and all. lol. Just wanted to keep my options open and I know that Senns are highly respected for their quality. Thanks for the response.

Yes.. I'd recommend them..:) I owned the Sen 595's.. & Own the Sen 212 pro & Sen 650's.. All 3 are great!! Can't compare the SQ of the Sen 555/595 to the pioneers cause I never heard the Pioneer 800C before..:mad:

Guys...I have a question abut the JVC adapter.

Lets say I feed my 360 optical( or PS3 optical) directly into the adapter. Is there a volume control on the JVC?? How do you adjust the volume if you bypass a reciever??

I have an optical in on my receiver but I don't see what good that would do with the JVC.

Guys...I have a question abut the JVC adapter.

Lets say I feed my 360 optical( or PS3 optical) directly into the adapter. Is there a volume control on the JVC?? How do you adjust the volume if you bypass a reciever??

I have an optical in on my receiver but I don't see what good that would do with the JVC.

By turning the volume very low on your receiver & increasing the volume on your adapter. Since the JVC has a line out you would need to get a stereo mini cable, connect it to the line out in the JVC, then put the other end of the cable in your receivers headphone jack. Then plug your headphones into the JVC. This will allow the JVC's amp to bypass your receivers. Yes, it has a volume control.. Just connect the optical cable to the adapter & to your console. Then plug your headphones into the JVC phone jack.. It supports 1/8 jacks.. Portable phones.. But you can get a 1/8-1/4 adapter for home headphones.

By turning the volume very low on your receiver & increasing the volume on your adapter. Since the JVC has a line out you would need to get a stereo mini cable, connect it to the line out in the JVC, then put the other end of the cable in your receivers headphone jack. Then plug your headphones into the JVC. This will allow the JVC's amp to bypass your receivers. Yes, it has a volume control.. Just connect the optical cable to the adapter & to your console. Then plug your headphones into the JVC phone jack.. It supports 1/8 jacks.. Portable phones.. But you can get a 1/8-1/4 adapter for home headphones.


Hmmm..so without using the reciever...I can adjust the volume using the JVC.

I understand that part.....the other part you posted is confusing. If I hook the "line out" in the JVC to the headphone jack of my reciever...how is that going to work??? The "line out is just that...an output...so is the headphone jack in the receiver...it is an output...you seem to be saying hook two outputs together to use the receiver?? WHat am I missing?

Hmmm..so without using the reciever...I can adjust the volume using the JVC.

I understand that part.....the other part you posted is confusing. If I hook the "line out" in the JVC to the headphone jack of my reciever...how is that going to work??? The "line out is just that...an output...so is the headphone jack in the receiver...it is an output...you seem to be saying hook two outputs together to use the receiver?? WHat am I missing?

When I had my portable amp, thats what I did, & worked fine.. To be more specific I used a 1/8 to 1/8 mini cable..Connected one end to the line out (My portable amp) & one end to the receivers headphone jack using a 1/4 adapter.. Then plugged my headphones into my portable amp to bypass the receivers internal amp. I done the same thing with the phone jack on my PC & Portable CD player..

I'm not talking about using your receiver expect to lower the volume. You really don't need to go this route since the JVC has a volume control. Of course you could hook up a good portable amp to the JVC & bypass the JVC's internal amp for even more hi fidelity SQ & better SS experience..:D Sorry if I'm speaking French to you. Maybe someone can explain it better then I.:confused:

If anyone is interested There are some Mcoys that sell for 40.00, but have the quality of a portable amp that cost twice as much.. & most certainly better then the JVC's amp.. The JVCs amp is more then capable, just throwing that out there if you'd like a bump in SQ.. Sorry, you already spent a lot on my recommendations already.

KBI can you help me understand the difference between the Pioneer SE-DIR800C, SE-DIR800C-2, and SE-DIR2000C?

I understand that a couple of these are in the Japan market, which is fine to me. I've imported game consoles for years. If the latter 2 are superior I don't really mind forking over the $$, I just can't find much to guide me.

I will use these for my gaming hiding spot, with a PS3/360.

Just a quick note for anyone interested in the JVC su-dh1 but hung up on the US version only working on batteries. I ordered mine from Audiocubes and it just arrived in the mail. I was surprised to find that it is the Japanese version and has the DC input.

So I might be in the market for some DC power. Does anybody know what I need?

I will try to post impressions of the JVC and the Audio Technica ATH A500's maybe tonight.

So I might be in the market for some DC power. Does anybody know what I need?

Power brick (with correct V/A) + correct fitting (RadioShack)

Wow really great information in this thread! Thanks to everyone who answered my questions.

I think I still have some thinking to do in regards to my situation with all my equipment being tucked nicely away. I would like to have the jvc in my rack, but I really will need volume control with using multiple sources with headphones in the theatre.

Maybe someone with the pioneers can answer this question. Can you adust the volume with an ir remote and if the transmitter was located behind the person or off in a corner of the room, would the signal still reach the headphones or does it need to be directly infront?

KBI can you help me understand the difference between the Pioneer SE-DIR800C, SE-DIR800C-2, and SE-DIR2000C?

I understand that a couple of these are in the Japan market, which is fine to me. I've imported game consoles for years. If the latter 2 are superior I don't really mind forking over the $$, I just can't find much to guide me.

I will use these for my gaming hiding spot, with a PS3/360.
I'll see what I can do..;)

Ok. I have had about three hours of gaming (Halo 2 only) with the Senn 595. The cans are certainly very comfortable and look pretty slick (I think). Now, in my current set up (directly connected to the RCA cables of the XBOX 360 -using Y adapter- and audio setting in XBX as "digital stereo") I don't think it would have really mattered if I had bought the 555 or 595. I haven't tried the cans with movies or music yet but can imagine it will be great. It is very clean sound with Halo 2. To be honest, I could not really experience any surround effects with just the cans (even with XBX audio settings: digital 5.1). As such, I might get the JVC adapter as well (or move my HK AVR 635 to the XBOX and buy myself a nice new HDMI one for my HT). The nice thing with the AVR 635 is that it comes with Dolby Headphone. All in all I am very happy with the 595 as it seems a great allround set but if you really need something for gaming only (and this was my original intention) you probably don't need such a nice set. I will make sure to leave my impressions once I get true SS through the XBX optical out .

KBI can you help me understand the difference between the Pioneer SE-DIR800C, SE-DIR800C-2, and SE-DIR2000C?

I understand that a couple of these are in the Japan market, which is fine to me. I've imported game consoles for years. If the latter 2 are superior I don't really mind forking over the $$, I just can't find much to guide me.

I will use these for my gaming hiding spot, with a PS3/360.

From what I gather the 800-2 is just a newer version of the 800c with a different headphone design. The specs & features look identical to me. The DIR2000C is Pioneers new 05 SS pioneer headphones. The previous models are from 03. The 2000C uses larger drivers.. 50MM compared to 40mm. I would expect a noticeable improvement in SQ over the others. Better comfort, & found this not found on the others.

Transmission system: Incompressible digital infrared ray transmission
Infrared distance: 10m

Bus assist function: 3 stage (Not sure what this means)

Ok. I have had about three hours of gaming (Halo 2 only) with the Senn 595. The cans are certainly very comfortable and look pretty slick (I think). Now, in my current set up (directly connected to the RCA cables of the XBOX 360 -using Y adapter- and audio setting in XBX as "digital stereo") I don't think it would have really mattered if I had bought the 555 or 595. I haven't tried the cans with movies or music yet but can imagine it will be great. It is very clean sound with Halo 2. To be honest, I could not really experience any surround effects with just the cans (even with XBX audio settings: digital 5.1). As such, I might get the JVC adapter as well (or move my HK AVR 635 to the XBOX and buy myself a nice new HDMI one for my HT). The nice thing with the AVR 635 is that it comes with Dolby Headphone. All in all I am very happy with the 595 as it seems a great allround set but if you really need something for gaming only (and this was my original intention) you probably don't need such a nice set. I will make sure to leave my impressions once I get true SS through the XBX optical out .

Yeah.. The 555's have a surround reflector not the 595's..But I wouldn't call the 55 SS headphones.. But I had no problems hearing where footsteps were coming from. Behind me, to the R/L or in the front. & bullets seem to fly by from every direction. Of course this will improve considerably when using the 5.1 DD headphone. It would be cheaper to use the AVR 635 with the DD 5.1 headphone. Tell us how they sound when using the DD 5.1 headphones.. Sorry if you are a bit displeased with the 595's. Hope I didn't take you of course with my recommendations. I personally loved the 595's for gaming. If worst comes to worst you could always sell them & buy a 5.1 headset instead.

I'm inching my way back into getting some headphones since my credit card wounds are healing after buying two iPhones. I bought the Senn RS130 at Circuit City to see how RF would behave in my house and I have to say those headphones are crap. They feel fine, but you are limited to analog inputs via RCA (with optional headphone jack converter). So much background noise! I think I did notice RF interference as well. I just wanted to check some out and they were the most expensive ones at the store, which they will be going back to shortly.

Now I have to decide on my plan. I have an HK 635 with Dolby Headphone and was interested in the Senn 555/595 or Audio-Tech AD900. However, I'm second guessing running the wire to my seating position. The Pioneer IR wireless are now moving up to the top of my list. I like the fact that they use AA rechargeable which I have plenty of laying around the house and IR instead of RF since I'll be in direct line-of-sight (the opposite of my remote control issue). I can just connect a digital out and keep the headphones near my chair.

Are the Senn/Audio-Techs worth the wiring trouble compared to the Pioneer sound quality wise?

Ok. I have had about three hours of gaming (Halo 2 only) with the Senn 595. The cans are certainly very comfortable and look pretty slick (I think). Now, in my current set up (directly connected to the RCA cables of the XBOX 360 -using Y adapter- and audio setting in XBX as "digital stereo") I don't think it would have really mattered if I had bought the 555 or 595. I haven't tried the cans with movies or music yet but can imagine it will be great. It is very clean sound with Halo 2. To be honest, I could not really experience any surround effects with just the cans (even with XBX audio settings: digital 5.1). As such, I might get the JVC adapter as well (or move my HK AVR 635 to the XBOX and buy myself a nice new HDMI one for my HT). The nice thing with the AVR 635 is that it comes with Dolby Headphone. All in all I am very happy with the 595 as it seems a great allround set but if you really need something for gaming only (and this was my original intention) you probably don't need such a nice set. I will make sure to leave my impressions once I get true SS through the XBX optical out .

How could you possibly expect to experience SS effects with only analog RCA inputs? The 360's "digital stereo" is either a ridiculous marketing misrepresentation... or a legit DD2.0 bitstream via optical. Either way you aren't getting "digital" anything over RCA.

Maybe some cans present such a beautiful sound stage that a listener can think they hear SS... which would be awesome but I can't imagine expecting as much. The only/best way I know to get SS out of 2 speakers is via post-processing. And if you direct connect RCA to the 555's... I don't see where that can take place. Sound reflectors or no.

But that's just $0.02 from a guy who uses stock iPod ear-buds... for now ;)

Hey all. I finally tore myself away from Halo 3 to write this for you guys. Thanks to KBI and electr0n for all the help and guidance. On to the impressions!

I'll start with the JVC Surround Sound adapter since many of you are looking for a AC adapter solution.

The adapter:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Blitkz/adapter.jpg

Amazing little guy. Was way smaller than I expected. Fits in my hand. But
WOW! what sound. It delivers a really convincing 5.1 surround sound experience. There are 3 Dolby headphone settings. To me the main difference between them is that each new level adds more reverb/echo/delay as if your space is getting larger and larger. Setting 2 sounds like a moderately sized living room 5.1 system and Setting 3 sounds like toward the middle of a movie theater. I think if you are a gamer, you'll find Setting 1 most beneficial, because the sound is a bit flatter and its easier to distinguish the direction of incoming sound. I perfer Setting 2 for my movies. I watched V for Vendetta while testing. The Bailey Building explosion scene and the conference scene directly after was were I tested the different sound settings. Nucking futs! And don't get me started about Halo 3. No spoilers I promise, but the sound is incredible and you owe yourself a similar setup. I did briefly run into so popping and silence issue on my unit, but that disappeared when a reconnected the optical wire to my 360. The cable I used doesn't give a great secure connection. Anything else I say about the sound per say I think will be more a reflection on my headphones (more on those later), and the optical output than the adapter itself. So I move on to the AC adapter mod.

First, use these (http://www.instructables.com/id/Run-any-battery-powered-item-through-AC-power./) links (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2549413&cp=&sr=1&origkw=3vdc&kw=3vdc&parentPage=search).
Most of what I did I found on that page. So I'm really just going to post pics, and talk about parts specific to the JVC adapter. Feel free to ask questions.

One quick note. I found this mod an absolute necessity. I do not have an unlimited battery supply, and this thing sucks them dry in no time. I did not go two hours before draining the set that came with my JVC. Not awesome for all night gaming sessions.To the pics!

The Radioshack adapter:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Blitkz/AC.jpg
You won't get a spark crossing the AC adapter wires at only 3V, so use a volt meter.

The mod completed:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Blitkz/mod.jpg

Clips to JVC:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Blitkz/clips.jpg

Clips to AC:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Blitkz/connection.jpg

After this I had to do some extra work to get the wires out of the adapter while keeping the cover on. (Fire risk? Dunno but definitely not worth finding out.) So basically after I secured the clips to the JVC I cut some groves out on the battery cover. Sorry for the blurry pic.

Battery Cover Grooves:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Blitkz/grooves.jpg

Cover on, Wires out:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Blitkz/closeup.jpg

Last note, connecting the positive alligator clip to the JVC was a pain since I was trying to pull the flat coil out then clip it directly to it. No dice. I suggest find a twisty tie, stripping the paper, and cut off a third of it. Then slip it through the coil vertically with a very small flathead screw driver. Then just bend the remainder out toward the battery bay and use your clip. Finito.

Good to go:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Blitkz/working.jpg

Whew. That took longer than expected, so I will put up my impressions on the Senn HD555 up later. Short Version: Tremendous sound, awesome with the JVC, and go get some now. But if you can wait, I will also put up some pics of the entire setup, HDTV and all. Take it easy, gents. :cool:

Damn. An A/V Mcgyver..:) Great job! Appreciate the lengthy breakdown. Hopefully people who don't want to use batteries will follow your example.

How could you possibly expect to experience SS effects with only analog RCA inputs? The 360's "digital stereo" is either a ridiculous marketing misrepresentation... or a legit DD2.0 bitstream via optical. Either way you aren't getting "digital" anything over RCA.

Maybe some cans present such a beautiful sound stage that a listener can think they hear SS... which would be awesome but I can't imagine expecting as much. The only/best way I know to get SS out of 2 speakers is via post-processing. And if you direct connect RCA to the 555's... I don't see where that can take place. Sound reflectors or no.

But that's just $0.02 from a guy who uses stock iPod ear-buds... for now ;)
I might be to blame for that. I said I could hear bullets from all directions including hearing people behind me, which is true.. But, no.. The 595's are NOT SS headphones.. &, yeah, the sound reflector seems more like marketing then anything else

You are correct about the Sound stage. When you have a wide & deep sound stage, you can hear beyond just let & right.. It's like looking with one eye shut then opening both eyes, but in audio sense.. The sounds, foot steps, etc, are noticed quicker, so you can hear then from the back. My 340's have a huge sound stage. You can get lost in those.. Also the AKG 501's & 701's are also known for having a very large sound stage, but both cans are bass shy, so it might take away from your gaming fun if you like hard, loud, slamming bass.. Although, the quality is very good.. Tight, detailed, & well textured.. It's the main reason I sold my 701's..

I'm inching my way back into getting some headphones since my credit card wounds are healing after buying two iPhones. I bought the Senn RS130 at Circuit City to see how RF would behave in my house and I have to say those headphones are crap. They feel fine, but you are limited to analog inputs via RCA (with optional headphone jack converter). So much background noise! I think I did notice RF interference as well. I just wanted to check some out and they were the most expensive ones at the store, which they will be going back to shortly.

Now I have to decide on my plan. I have an HK 635 with Dolby Headphone and was interested in the Senn 555/595 or Audio-Tech AD900. However, I'm second guessing running the wire to my seating position. The Pioneer IR wireless are now moving up to the top of my list. I like the fact that they use AA rechargeable which I have plenty of laying around the house and IR instead of RF since I'll be in direct line-of-sight (the opposite of my remote control issue). I can just connect a digital out and keep the headphones near my chair.

Are the Senn/Audio-Techs worth the wiring trouble compared to the Pioneer sound quality wise?IMO No, unless most of your time will be spent listening to music. IMO the listed cans are better then the pioneers, SQ wise, but if you want a great sounding, wireless headphone with 5.1 SS, I'd recommend the Pioneers. At Headfi.com most ppl recommend the Beyer DT770 or the AT900 for gaming. But this recommendation is based on stereo headphones, as audio purist tend to look down on 5.1 headphones, especially the ones with 8 drivers. Just to let you know the 900's are around 217.00.. & unlike the Sens you can't get them less then retail unless you buy used.. The 900s are also closed so it provides isolation comparable to the Bose Noise canceling headphone, but not as effective..

I picked up the Turtle Beach X3's tonight and got on halo 3 and dominated every damn game i played. One game i had 29/3 in team slayer. I don't know if it was the headphones or the people i was playing against lol. But i do know having a good pair of headphones makes you focus a whole lot more. They sound good but they are not comfortable at all and they make your ears so hot. I wasn't planning on keeping them, i just couldn't pick up the hd 555's because jnr was closed on saturday do to the jewish holidays. I'll return them before the official release of halo.

Heres proof the headphones do work lol. I've never done this good in my life in halo. EVAAAAAAAAAA. All night i was at the top. You can check the records lol. Look at everything from early morning 22nd and before and then look at late tonight and early am today. You'll see a vast improvement in stats. Yeah could of been the competition but hey lol.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=26809&player=MO%20GUNZ

Just to make sure my earlier post gets interpreted correctly, I am not implying I was EXPECTING SS with just the 595, however, as it was mentioned earlier in the thread where some did experience that effect, I wanted to report I did not. Obviously, you need to set the XBX on Digital 5.1 and send audio through optical out to obtain true SS. I will get this either through my current HK AVR 635 receiver or through the JVC adapter.

If anyone finds a good deal on the JVC (<$70), please post or PM.

Great job HaD3K. The mod looks very clean.

Yeah.. The 555's have a surround reflector not the 595's..But I wouldn't call the 55 SS headphones.. But I had no problems hearing where footsteps were coming from. Behind me, to the R/L or in the front. & bullets seem to fly by from every direction. Of course this will improve considerably when using the 5.1 DD headphone. It would be cheaper to use the AVR 635 with the DD 5.1 headphone. Tell us how they sound when using the DD 5.1 headphones.. Sorry if you are a bit displeased with the 595's. Hope I didn't take you of course with my recommendations. I personally loved the 595's for gaming. If worst comes to worst you could always sell them & buy a 5.1 headset instead.

Don't worry, I am very pleased with the 595's. I am pretty sure I will end up using them for a lot more than just gaming for which the 595's seems the best match. I just need to decide on using my AVR 635 or get a JVC for H3 SS... I don't want to run into too many HoodedSoldiers on XBL while I am with this sound handicap... :D

HaD3k - great work. I will definitely try that when I get my JVC... however I have a question for you:

Does the JVC have a DC input jack (carryover from Japan)? I thought I heard it might. But given your effort & other's complaining - I'd say that was incorrect. If there is a input, all one would need to do is use that same power brick & the proper fitting.

I just wanted to remind you that I got mine from Audiocubes and it is the Japanese version. Everything I have read so far seems to point to the US version NOT having a DC input. I will let someone else who has the US version confirm that though.

Testing mine today and will post impressions later.

I just wanted to remind you that I got mine from Audiocubes and it is the Japanese version. Everything I have read so far seems to point to the US version NOT having a DC input. I will let someone else who has the US version confirm that though.

Testing mine today and will post impressions later.

So, if I order one from Audiocubes I can expect to get the Japanese one? If so, I think I'll order from there. thanks

So, if I order one from Audiocubes I can expect to get the Japanese one? If so, I think I'll order from there. thanks

I believe so. I doubt that they sell both and i just happened to get the Japanese version. Probably exclusively sell the Japanese version, but you could always call them and confirm that. I just went to Radioshack to get the DC power converter thingy and it was around $15. I may have been ripped off, but I just wanted to get it and be done with it.

I believe so. I doubt that they sell both and i just happened to get the Japanese version. Probably exclusively sell the Japanese version, but you could always call them and confirm that. I just went to Radioshack to get the DC power converter thingy and it was around $15. I may have been ripped off, but I just wanted to get it and be done with it.

Thanks. Let me know what you think about it.

Impressions of JVC SU-DH1

First of all these are just my opinions so keep that in mind. I an not an audiophile with a golden ear, but I have a better ear than most. I enjoy quality audio and I am usually able to pick things up that others cannot. I currently have Klipsch Reference Series speakers in my HT (RF3-II's which are dual 8" for the fronts if that helps).

Tried it out using Audio Technica ATH A500's and Grado SR125's. I played FEAR demo, COD3 single player and multiplayer, Blacksite Area 51 demo, Bioshock demo, Heavenly Sword demo, and Resistance: The Fall of Man single player. The movies I tested were Alien vs Predator and The Fifth Element using the same scenes repeatedly and switching the DH effects on and off.

The effect of the JVC is not like sitting in the middle of a 5.1 system at all. You simply cannot get that effect out of a pair of headphones. What I experienced was that it sounded more like you were hearing the sound in a room instead of through the headphones. It sounded quite a bit more like an echo, especially for voices. I did not care for the effect for voices though because it seemed to decrease the clarity and overall quality of the voices. They were no longer as clear and did not pack as much punch so to speak.

It also makes the volume a lot louder when you switch the DH effect on. The sound does seem to surround you more when the effect is on. I think that is the main benefit of the effect. It is great for action scenes with lots of gunfire. Again, it is not like a 5.1 system, but it is an agreeable surround effect that adds somewhat to the experience.

One thing I noticed in games was that when the effect is not on and a sound is coming from one side, then all of that sound will end up coming through the speaker on that side. When you turn the DH on it seems to even the sound out some and it no longer comes just from one side. In some instances, it is actually more difficult to tell where a sound is really coming from with the DH effect on because it is blending the sound a bit so it sounds like you are hearing it inside a room more than from just the left or right speakers of your headphones. So I am not sure if it is really helpful for multiplayer games, but I am not an avid online player nor am I very good at them so your opinion may differ greatly.

As far as the headphones are concerned the AT's are closed and the Grado's are open. The AT's are very comfortable and the Grado's are not as comfortable but I bought some soft pads for them and this helped quite a bit. I thought the Grado's were slightly more detailed and the AT's had more thump perhaps only becuase they are a closed design. Otherwise, they were both very enjoyable to listen to and it is hard to pick an overall winner.

I also own the SpeedLink Medusa 5.1's for my PC so I played through the FEAR demo on my PC so I could compare it to the experience on the 360. The Medusa's are not as detailed. Muddy by comparison. The surround experience though is very good. It did a good job of locating sounds. It did not echo and the sound was not in stereo but not blended to such a degree that you did not know where particular sounds were coming from. The Medusa's are very comfortable as well. The volume output is really low however.

So it is a mixed review for me. It is fun to play around with but I do not think it is essential. It may help gamers who are better than me. I would buy it again if it was cheaper. I think I will end up keeping it but I have not decided yet.

I would heartily recommend the AT's or the Grado's though.

KBI can you help me understand the difference between the Pioneer SE-DIR800C, SE-DIR800C-2, and SE-DIR2000C?

I understand that a couple of these are in the Japan market, which is fine to me. I've imported game consoles for years. If the latter 2 are superior I don't really mind forking over the $$, I just can't find much to guide me.

I will use these for my gaming hiding spot, with a PS3/360.

The SE-DIR800C is the American release.

The SE-DIR800C-II is the Japanese version, which supports an additional pair of headphones (not sure why the US 800C doesn't since it's just looking for the IR output of the base).

The SE-DIR2000C has an additional optical input (2 optical / 1 co-ax total), larger drivers in the headphones, and a remote for selecting the input (this is a manual switch on both the 800's).

1. use a clip on mic for transmitting my voice to others
2. use the option to broadcast other's voice over the main speakers#2 is how all the Xbox Live compatible headphones do it AFAIK. As for #1, I've yet to find a good mic option for wireless headphones since they're for clipping onto the wires of standard headphones. The clip-ons need to be very close to your mouth to work, so velcro-ing them onto the side of the headphones probably wouldn't work either. I'm leaning towards the Xbox 360 Wireless Headset (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessheadset/) attached to the outer ear cup. That'll probably put the mic a bit further from my mouth than I'd like for optimal quality, but hopefully it'll be useable.

the wireless mic has to be really close to pick up normal voice, otherwise you'll have to talk really loud, i cant use it normally at night, with or without headphones, because i have to speak too loud to get the mic to start picking up my voice.

i'm considering hacking my old xbox communicator & plugging it directly into the controller. i can use the "boom" & mic but disregard/ignore the earpiece. since you don't need volume control, the only feature you lose is mute.

The American JVC version has no adapter slot.

jedimastergrant - Thanks for your impressions!

The American JVC version has no adapter slot.

Well then I guess its off to RadioShack to buy me an adaptor & alligator clips. /shrug. Thanks for the tutorial links/pictures. I always enjoy a DIY project.

Quick question:

Does it matter which wire (from the brick) is "positive" and which wire is "negative?" In the past, when I have hacked AC adaptors, it wasn't important. However I've never tried to simulate batteries... where position is always explicit.

Impressions of JVC SU-DH1

First of all these are just my opinions so keep that in mind. I an not an audiophile with a golden ear, but I have a better ear than most. I enjoy quality audio and I am usually able to pick things up that others cannot. I currently have Klipsch Reference Series speakers in my HT (RF3-II's which are dual 8" for the fronts if that helps).

Tried it out using Audio Technica ATH A500's and Grado SR125's. I played FEAR demo, COD3 single player and multiplayer, Blacksite Area 51 demo, Bioshock demo, Heavenly Sword demo, and Resistance: The Fall of Man single player. The movies I tested were Alien vs Predator and The Fifth Element using the same scenes repeatedly and switching the DH effects on and off.

The effect of the JVC is not like sitting in the middle of a 5.1 system at all. You simply cannot get that effect out of a pair of headphones. What I experienced was that it sounded more like you were hearing the sound in a room instead of through the headphones. It sounded quite a bit more like an echo, especially for voices. I did not care for the effect for voices though because it seemed to decrease the clarity and overall quality of the voices. They were no longer as clear and did not pack as much punch so to speak.

It also makes the volume a lot louder when you switch the DH effect on. The sound does seem to surround you more when the effect is on. I think that is the main benefit of the effect. It is great for action scenes with lots of gunfire. Again, it is not like a 5.1 system, but it is an agreeable surround effect that adds somewhat to the experience.

One thing I noticed in games was that when the effect is not on and a sound is coming from one side, then all of that sound will end up coming through the speaker on that side. When you turn the DH on it seems to even the sound out some and it no longer comes just from one side. In some instances, it is actually more difficult to tell where a sound is really coming from with the DH effect on because it is blending the sound a bit so it sounds like you are hearing it inside a room more than from just the left or right speakers of your headphones. So I am not sure if it is really helpful for multiplayer games, but I am not an avid online player nor am I very good at them so your opinion may differ greatly.

As far as the headphones are concerned the AT's are closed and the Grado's are open. The AT's are very comfortable and the Grado's are not as comfortable but I bought some soft pads for them and this helped quite a bit. I thought the Grado's were slightly more detailed and the AT's had more thump perhaps only becuase they are a closed design. Otherwise, they were both very enjoyable to listen to and it is hard to pick an overall winner.

I also own the SpeedLink Medusa 5.1's for my PC so I played through the FEAR demo on my PC so I could compare it to the experience on the 360. The Medusa's are not as detailed. Muddy by comparison. The surround experience though is very good. It did a good job of locating sounds. It did not echo and the sound was not in stereo but not blended to such a degree that you did not know where particular sounds were coming from. The Medusa's are very comfortable as well. The volume output is really low however.

So it is a mixed review for me. It is fun to play around with but I do not think it is essential. It may help gamers who are better than me. I would buy it again if it was cheaper. I think I will end up keeping it but I have not decided yet.

I would heartily recommend the AT's or the Grado's though.

Did you try all these? (DH 1/DH 2/DH 3) I know HAD3k recommends number 1 for gaming. Your the only person I know, plus poster comments, & reviews that I read, that had mixed feelings about the JVC. Everyone else seems to love them.. Maybe the Pioneers have better SS, but I believe both are using the same DD 5.1 technology? Still confused about the echo? I never heard of any owner having this problem before..

Yes, I tried all of the settings (including no DH effects). I repeatedly cycled through them many many times through the same parts of many many scenes and parts of different games.

The higher the DH number, the larger the room it is trying to simulate, so you actually get a larger echo effect at DH 2 and 3. That is why I preferred DH1. I am going to do some more testing.

I read through the manual again to make sure I was doing everything correctly. I believe that I am unless you can think of something I am missing. Like I said, I am sure that everyone will have a little bit of a different opinion, but I can only write down what my ears are telling me.

I am very pleased with the AT's that you confirmed would be a good buy though so thanks for that one. I also bought the soft pads for my Grado's and it helps tremendously so thanks again.

Edit: Let me clarify what I meant when I said echo. It is not an obvious echo, but it is like an echo. The best way I can describe it is that it is similar to the effect that you get when you use the "concert hall" setting on your av receiver. I think they are just trying to simulate the effect of listening to the sound in a room instead of through headphones and it comes off sounding kind of like an echo.

I picked up the Turtle Beach X3's tonight and got on halo 3 and dominated every damn game i played. One game i had 29/3 in team slayer. I don't know if it was the headphones or the people i was playing against lol. But i do know having a good pair of headphones makes you focus a whole lot more. They sound good but they are not comfortable at all and they make your ears so hot. I wasn't planning on keeping them, i just couldn't pick up the hd 555's because jnr was closed on saturday do to the jewish holidays. I'll return them before the official release of halo.

Heres proof the headphones do work lol. I've never done this good in my life in halo. EVAAAAAAAAAA. All night i was at the top. You can check the records lol. Look at everything from early morning 22nd and before and then look at late tonight and early am today. You'll see a vast improvement in stats. Yeah could of been the competition but hey lol.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=26809&player=MO%20GUNZ

Yes. I find headphones to be much more revealing & detailed then speakers within a reasonable budget. One reason is the fact that the drivers are very close to your ears.

Yes, I tried all of the settings (including no DH effects). I repeatedly cycled through them many many times through the same parts of many many scenes and parts of different games.

The higher the DH number, the larger the room it is trying to simulate, so you actually get a larger echo effect at DH 2 and 3. That is why I preferred DH1. I am going to do some more testing.

I read through the manual again to make sure I was doing everything correctly. I believe that I am unless you can think of something I am missing. Like I said, I am sure that everyone will have a little bit of a different opinion, but I can only write down what my ears are telling me.

I am very pleased with the AT's that you confirmed would be a good buy though so thanks for that one. I also bought the soft pads for my Grado's and it helps tremendously so thanks again.

Edit: Let me clarify what I meant when I said echo. It is not an obvious echo, but it is like an echo. The best way I can describe it is that it is similar to the effect that you get when you use the "concert hall" setting on your av receiver. I think they are just trying to simulate the effect of listening to the sound in a room instead of through headphones and it comes off sounding kind of like an echo.

No problem. 2-3 ain't bad.:p

I picked up the Turtle Beach X3's tonight and got on halo 3 and dominated every damn game i played. One game i had 29/3 in team slayer. I don't know if it was the headphones or the people i was playing against lol. But i do know having a good pair of headphones makes you focus a whole lot more. They sound good but they are not comfortable at all and they make your ears so hot. I wasn't planning on keeping them, i just couldn't pick up the hd 555's because jnr was closed on saturday do to the jewish holidays. I'll return them before the official release of halo.

Heres proof the headphones do work lol. I've never done this good in my life in halo. EVAAAAAAAAAA. All night i was at the top. You can check the records lol. Look at everything from early morning 22nd and before and then look at late tonight and early am today. You'll see a vast improvement in stats. Yeah could of been the competition but hey lol.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=26809&player=MO%20GUNZ

Nice work Soilder. :)

The X3's are not 5.1, correct? Even so, if they were not so hot and uncomfortable, would you still recommend them on sound quality alone?

Dumb question: how are you going to get the Sennheiser HD 555 to work with the 360? It doesn't look like there is a mic and they are wired. If this question was already answered in this thread, I missed it. Sorry.

Nice work Soilder. :)

The X3's are not 5.1, correct? Even so, if they were not so hot and uncomfortable, would you still recommend them on sound quality alone?

Dumb question: how are you going to get the Sennheiser HD 555 to work with the 360? It doesn't look like there is a mic and they are wired. If this question was already answered in this thread, I missed it. Sorry.

No. they are not 5.1..

Yes.. Its been answered .

Well I posted a seperate post, but you should know I haven't been able to get the small headphone amp connected to the 360 analog out. Here is the post:

I have an ongoing sound problem. I have 2 360's in the same room. One goes to tv via hdmi and optical to an amp. The other goes to a tv via hdmi. I tries to hook up a headphone amp to the analog output. Nothing. Can you have digital and analog out at the same time? I can't find the analog settings. Is the line level output from the 360 to low for the headphone amp. Is buying a cheap receiver the only answer to get the game sound to headphones? This is important as we will be playing halo 3 tonight.

Well I posted a seperate post, but you should know I haven't been able to get the small headphone amp connected to the 360 analog out. Here is the post:

I have an ongoing sound problem. I have 2 360's in the same room. One goes to tv via hdmi and optical to an amp. The other goes to a tv via hdmi. I tries to hook up a headphone amp to the analog output. Nothing. Can you have digital and analog out at the same time? I can't find the analog settings. Is the line level output from the 360 to low for the headphone amp. Is buying a cheap receiver the only answer to get the game sound to headphones? This is important as we will be playing halo 3 tonight.

...change the 360s audio output to digital stereo.

...my personal opinion...

i bought the x2's played with them a few hours and so pissed my ears were numb. took them back b/c i saw the x3's coming out. now i have the x3's, played with them a bit last night and thought they were pretty nice. here's my ramble:

x2's:
-sit "on" your ears, not "over" so your ears literally go numb
-sounded ok
-took a while to turn on or sync to station
-station big and bulky, supposed to be a docking station but i never used it
-battery compartment weird design, have to bend cover to get in place
-ir transmission, if disrupted, makes horrible sound/hiss

x3's: (new to these but here's my assessment)
-thankfully these sit "over" my ears
-i wouldn't say extremely comfortable but they're nice and reasonable
(i'm 6'4 235lbs, gotta pretty big noggin and my ears weren't hurting at all)
-IR transmitter WAY!! smaller than the x2's, nice suction/velcro for attaching
-noticed their voice technology which raises voice levels during intense times
-what i really noticed is how horrible other people's mics sound... geez
-weird at first but i now like their technology that allows you to hear yourself
somewhat through the headphones.
-expanded feature works... nothing amazing but it works
-bass boost sounds nice. def. helps
-wish it was made it black
-button config on headphones takes getting used to, (fumble around for a while)
-nice mic clarity
-no annoying static when disruption of ir transmission, just goes quiet (at least so far)

all in all i'm happy. i realized there are better sounding headphones out there but for xbox live compatibility this works out nice. i was looking at the tritton one's, which probably sound better, but turned away b/c i enjoy being as wireless as possible.

hope this helps!

Still doesn't work. Moved it to digital stereo. Can't find any analog settings. The line level signal might be too low. I might have to buy an reciever tonight. Halo 3 co op calls. It says you should put more debt on your credit card and buy an amp. And two copies of the game. Any other suggestions for getting the game sound to headphones?

...change the 360s audio output to digital stereo.

Still doesn't work. Moved it to digital stereo. Can't find any analog settings. The line level signal might be too low. I might have to buy an reciever tonight. Halo 3 co op calls. It says you should put more debt on your credit card and buy an amp. And two copies of the game. Any other suggestions for getting the game sound to headphones?

Have you tried the audio out on your TV? You said that on your second Xbox you have HDMI running to that set. Maybe you could use the composite audio out on the TV if you have it.

Nice work Soilder. :)

The X3's are not 5.1, correct? Even so, if they were not so hot and uncomfortable, would you still recommend them on sound quality alone?

Dumb question: how are you going to get the Sennheiser HD 555 to work with the 360? It doesn't look like there is a mic and they are wired. If this question was already answered in this thread, I missed it. Sorry.

Yeah the sound quality is not bad at all. Very good for gaming. LIke the more recent post said they are good. They just weren't comfortable on my ears and made my ears hot so i couldn't justify the 100 dollar price tag if i could barely wear them. I picked up the sens 515's yesterday all i did is put the original ms headset around my neck for a mic as i couldn't find a mic yesterday. As you see i'm gonna buy as many as i can before i get the 555's which aren't returnable since jnr has no return policy only a exchange oh and i wanna buy a ipod touch lol

so, i got some XFX gaming headphones for free from buy.com (coupon error), and i hadnt opened them, decided to give them a try.... the SQ is pretty good for gaming, and the rumble feature for the bass works out pretty nicely.

ears are getting a little warm, but the rumble effect is awesome in cod4 when a grenade goes off near you.

if anyone wants to check them out, they're actually free after rebate with google checkout... the rebate is 10 bucks, and even if i use them casually, they're definitely worth 10 bucks if you dont feel like sending the rebate in....

i'm still looking for a better xbox solution, even though these are usb powered and it works great on the 360 if you want to run a seperate cable for the mic, these will make good pc headphones for gaming. the mic will work well for mmorpg's if thats your thing.

today has been a good day. not only did i pick up H3... but my JVC & Senn 595's got delivered too. i haven't put much time into the setup - but i can say without hesitation that the new cans are light years better than my old gear. my first impression of the JVC was not that strong however. it will require more testing - but i didn't notice a huge jump in SS with H2/3 - not that i'm complaining. i'm sure it will be a fun gadget to tinker with regardless.

more to come...

I wish headphone out was one of my search criteria for a lcd tv. I didn't even consider it. My tv does have a digital out, but no analog out nor headphone out. It looks like I might have to buy a reciever tonight when I get halo 3. Damn, I thought the headphone amp would work.

Have you tried the audio out on your TV? You said that on your second Xbox you have HDMI running to that set. Maybe you could use the composite audio out on the TV if you have it.

Can you have digital and analog out at the same time?

The short answer to this question is - Yes. I currently have my optical (digital) output powering my JVC headphone adaptor AND I have the analog White/Red RCA's going to my A/V receiver. Both produce sound concurrently.

However please note I am using the VGA adaptor. HDMI might be an entirely different ball game in terms of how signals get processed.

today has been a good day. not only did i pick up H3... but my JVC & Senn 595's got delivered too. i haven't put much time into the setup - but i can say without hesitation that the new cans are light years better than my old gear. my first impression of the JVC was not that strong however. it will require more testing - but i didn't notice a huge jump in SS with H2/3 - not that i'm complaining. i'm sure it will be a fun gadget to tinker with regardless.

more to come...

You can always get a 5.1 headset to see if it does a better job..

not likely ;)

i'm happy with my 595's. very. however my thinking is the JVC is not mission critical.

not likely ;)

i'm happy with my 595's. very. however my thinking is the JVC is not mission critical.

Too bad.. I really liked using it for gaming on my friends PC.. Glad you like the 595's..

well like i said, i'm more than willing to tinker with it. truth be told i have put very limited time into critiquing the various modes, etc. it was just my initial impression that the DH technology was not night & day.

I wish headphone out was one of my search criteria for a lcd tv. I didn't even consider it. My tv does have a digital out, but no analog out nor headphone out. It looks like I might have to buy a reciever tonight when I get halo 3. Damn, I thought the headphone amp would work.

the TV should have RCA audio out (red/white) and you can just get a 3 dollar adapter to headphone.

Yeah the sound quality is not bad at all. Very good for gaming. LIke the more recent post said they are good. They just weren't comfortable on my ears and made my ears hot so i couldn't justify the 100 dollar price tag if i could barely wear them. I picked up the sens 515's yesterday all i did is put the original ms headset around my neck for a mic as i couldn't find a mic yesterday. As you see i'm gonna buy as many as i can before i get the 555's which aren't returnable since jnr has no return policy only a exchange oh and i wanna buy a ipod touch lol

Excellent. And thanks for getting back to me on the mic issue. The solution seems obvious now. :D

My Pioneer SE-DIR800Cs shipped out yesterday, but it's going to take until Tuesday for delivery :( I'll probably be through Halo3 singleplayer before they even show up. I just couldn't justify the $20+ premium to upgrade from free ground shipping. I guess I'll wait to return my Senn RS130s on Monday.

Is the hookup for these as simple as connecting the digital out on my receiver to the base unit? I've never used the audio out on my HK 635 receiver and I'm wondering if it is just a line out or does the volume control the output level as well? I guess it won't matter either way since the headphones have a built in volume control, but I'm hoping it is just a line out. Also, what is the best surround setting for the 360 for these headphones?

Does anyone have a mic suggestion for the Pioneers? I figure I may hack apart my 360 mic and reengineer something.

Still doesn't work. Moved it to digital stereo. Can't find any analog settings. The line level signal might be too low. I might have to buy an reciever tonight. Halo 3 co op calls. It says you should put more debt on your credit card and buy an amp. And two copies of the game. Any other suggestions for getting the game sound to headphones?

Sorry this didn't work for you. I'll check the cabling to the DeskTop can amp this evening. I thought I was using analog cables, but the amp has a DAC so that may be the path the 360 is connected to.

When using Dolby 5.1 on the 360 audio panel, I was getting a 'fluttering' noise thru the can amp. Switching to digital stereo fixed that issue for me.

I found out the analog out is too low a level (line level) for a headphone amp. I couldn't find a cheap amp with two optical inputs (360, ps2), so I just used one of my old amps to the analog out. It works fine. So you can have digital out via hdmi and analog out at the same time. I do wish the 360 had headphone out. Or that my tv did. Having a big amp is just another piece of equipment cluttering my small game room. But having sound on the 2nd 360 for halo 3 was very very important. We had a blast last night. Thanks for the help folks. I will check back and see if anyone finds a better small ac solution.

My other 360 is connected to the amp via optical and I don't get fluttering on the 5.1 setting. Hmmm

Sorry this didn't work for you. I'll check the cabling to the DeskTop can amp this evening. I thought I was using analog cables, but the amp has a DAC so that may be the path the 360 is connected to.

When using Dolby 5.1 on the 360 audio panel, I was getting a 'fluttering' noise thru the can amp. Switching to digital stereo fixed that issue for me.

Is the hookup for these as simple as connecting the digital out on my receiver to the base unit? I've never used the audio out on my HK 635 receiver and I'm wondering if it is just a line out or does the volume control the output level as well?

Am I not understanding you?? I also have an HK AVR 635. It has Dolby Headphone! You were in heaven my friend... You didn't need the 5.1 from the Pio's. Anyway, since you got them, just use the optical or the coax digital out. Just as how you described it...

Am I not understanding you?? I also have an HK AVR 635. It has Dolby Headphone! You were in heaven my friend... You didn't need the 5.1 from the Pio's. Anyway, since you got them, just use the optical or the coax digital out. Just as how you described it...

I'm aware of my receiver having Dolby Headphone, but I can't incorporate the setup in my system. I've ordered wireless IR headphones and don't want to have to plug and unplug the headphones into my receiver each time I use them. Also, it looks like hacked together having this big cord coming out of the front of the AVR and leaving the door open on both my cabinet and receiver. I've got some Senn 130 wireless RF headphones (yuck) that do plug into the front going from composite to 3.5mm to 1/4". At first I was going to get wired and use the DH jack, but decided for wireless due to concerns and hastles involved with my setup. Plus I have a 20 month old daughter that would love to play with my cables if I left them out.

I'm aware of my receiver having Dolby Headphone, but I can't incorporate the setup in my system. I've ordered wireless IR headphones and don't want to have to plug and unplug the headphones into my receiver each time I use them. Also, it looks like hacked together having this big cord coming out of the front of the AVR and leaving the door open on both my cabinet and receiver. I've got some Senn 130 wireless RF headphones (yuck) that do plug into the front going from composite to 3.5mm to 1/4". At first I was going to get wired and use the DH jack, but decided for wireless due to concerns and hastles involved with my setup. Plus I have a 20 month old daughter that would love to play with my cables if I left them out.

I understand.

Today, I played H3 for the first time with the senn's 595 plugged into the Dolby Headphone of my HK AVR 635. AWESOME! I liked it even better compared to using my 5.1 SS. Those Senn 595 headphones are really comfortable. I played like 5 hours with no discomfort whatsoever. I'm very happy with them. Now that I actually experienced DH I decided I'll not get the JVC adapter. This all does mean I'll have to rearrange my HT but it will be worth it. Nevertheless, if the JVC adapter would do the same as the DH I am sure I would enjoy it greatly as well.

Anyone up for a game? My gamertag is Blazed by Dutch

Still an open question: has anyone bought the Datel adapter? I got the Zalman clip-on mic -looks very slick by the way- and am wondering if I could use the Datel adapter for it or that I should hack my current XBL headset. Please note, the Datel adapter would be used only to connect the mic to controller (not the Senn's headphones).

I understand.

Today, I played H3 for the first time with the senn's 595 plugged into the Dolby Headphone of my HK AVR 635. AWESOME! I liked it even better compared to using my 5.1 SS. Those Senn 595 headphones are really comfortable. I played like 5 hours with no discomfort whatsoever. I'm very happy with them. Now that I actually experienced DH I decided I'll not get the JVC adapter. This all does mean I'll have to rearrange my HT but it will be worth it. Nevertheless, if the JVC adapter would do the same as the DH I am sure I would enjoy it greatly as well.

Anyone up for a game? My gamertag is Blazed by Dutch

Still an open question: has anyone bought the Datel adapter? I got the Zalman clip-on mic -looks very slick by the way- and am wondering if I could use the Datel adapter for it or that I should hack my current XBL headset. Please note, the Datel adapter would be used only to connect the mic to controller (not the Senn's headphones).
Smart move.. You really don't need the JVC if you have a reciever that supports DH..

& you like this set up better then your speaker 5.1 SS system? Or a 5.1 SS headset with the 8 drivers?

The only thing that sucks is that with these headsets...it kinda defeats the purpose of having wireless controllers LOL.

So I havent read too much up on this thread, but I believe that the majority prefer the Tritton AX360s?

The only thing that sucks is that with these headsets...it kinda defeats the purpose of having wireless controllers LOL.

So I havent read too much up on this thread, but I believe that the majority prefer the Tritton AX360s?

The Pioneer 5.1 headphones are wireless.
AS far as 5.1 headsets with the 8 drivers? Then yes.. & is a suitable all in one solution.. But there are better alternatives IMO.. Just skim through some pages & get some ideas..

The Pioneer 5.1 headphones are wireless.
AS far as 5.1 headsets with the 8 drivers? Then yes.. & is a suitable all in one solution.. But there are better alternatives IMO.. Just skim through some pages & get some ideas..

Well I more interested in more quality than more convenience so as long as I can plug these suckers up and can sit 8-10 feet away from my HDTV comfortably while playing Games, watching movies, or listening to music I'm strait.

I understand the tritton AX360 headphones allow you to hear voice chat via XBL and still deliver 5.1 surround sound at the same time? thats too sick if I understood that correctly.

Also I am not sure if the HLT6176S DLP I am getting has the input needed for these headphones. So could someone tell me what input I need to make sure before I buy either?

Well I more interested in more quality than more convenience so as long as I can plug these suckers up and can sit 8-10 feet away from my HDTV comfortably while playing Games, watching movies, or listening to music I'm strait.

I understand the tritton AX360 headphones allow you to hear voice chat via XBL and still deliver 5.1 surround sound at the same time? thats too sick if I understood that correctly.

Also I am not sure if the HLT6176S DLP I am getting has the input needed for these headphones. So could someone tell me what input I need to make sure before I buy either?

You would connect the Trittons to your 360 visa the optical cable..

You would connect the Trittons to your 360 visa the optical cable..

Wait so I can't use these to watch movies on my PS3/Blu-ray player? and music and what not?

Wait so I can't use these to watch movies on my PS3/Blu-ray player? and music and what not?

Sure you can.. Optical inputs are universal. They are all made the same, so the Tritton works with any device that supports a optical connection. The triton has its own volume control..

I understand.

Today, I played H3 for the first time with the senn's 595 plugged into the Dolby Headphone of my HK AVR 635. AWESOME! I liked it even better compared to using my 5.1 SS. Those Senn 595 headphones are really comfortable. I played like 5 hours with no discomfort whatsoever. I'm very happy with them. Now that I actually experienced DH I decided I'll not get the JVC adapter. This all does mean I'll have to rearrange my HT but it will be worth it. Nevertheless, if the JVC adapter would do the same as the DH I am sure I would enjoy it greatly as well.

Anyone up for a game? My gamertag is Blazed by Dutch

Still an open question: has anyone bought the Datel adapter? I got the Zalman clip-on mic -looks very slick by the way- and am wondering if I could use the Datel adapter for it or that I should hack my current XBL headset. Please note, the Datel adapter would be used only to connect the mic to controller (not the Senn's headphones).
The amp in your receiver is better then the amp in the JVC.. More power to drive your headphones, & to some degree the SS effects as well probably. Does it support the DH1/DH2/DH3 modes like the JVC? I know one owner complained of a echo effect? If those modes are eliminated in receivers that support DH, I'm sure he would have had a better gaming experience.. Too bad we can't compare all 3 to see if some are better then others.. JVC/5.1 Pioneer headphones/receivers with DH/ Maybe some use the technology better then others. I really don't know?

I checked the user manual of my HK AVR 635, it does DH1/DH2/DH3. Quoted from the user manual:
Dolby Headphone Dolby Headphone enables ordinary stereo headphones to portray the sound of a five-speaker surround-playback system.

The DH1 mode creates headphone presentation that resembles a small, well-damped room and is appropriate for use with both movies and music-only recordings.
The DH2 mode creates a more acoustically live room particularly suited to music listening.
The DH3 mode creates a larger room, more like a concert hall or movie theater.


I just played with the default mode (which I assume is DH1). I liked it better compared to my -expensive- 5.1 SS setup: front, center, back speakers KEF KHT 5005, and the 10" Velodyne sub. Wearing the headphones just emerges you so much better.

By the way, until yesterday I played games on my 480p TV (which sits upstairs), yesterday -when testing the DH- I played on my 720p plasma in the living room... OH MY GOD, what a difference. NO way I am going back to 480p gaming...

You like this set up better then your speaker 5.1 SS system? Or a 5.1 SS headset with the 8 drivers?

See post above. I have not been able to compare it against a 5.1 SS headset (like the Tritton's).

I was trying to get the mic to work with my headphones last night and could not find the voice chat through the speaker option. I know that I've seen it somewhere, but I looked all over the dashboard for the setting to change the voice chat through headset or speakers. In Halo3 it said that it was set to "Headset" and to change it use the Xbox Guide. Where is this setting hiding?

I was trying to get the mic to work with my headphones last night and could not find the voice chat through the speaker option. I know that I've seen it somewhere, but I looked all over the dashboard for the setting to change the voice chat through headset or speakers. In Halo3 it said that it was set to "Headset" and to change it use the Xbox Guide. Where is this setting hiding?

In Halo 3 when you press the back button you get "settings". In settings there are two tabs, use the d-pad to go the right tab. Here are the settings for Voice output. Switch to "speakers only". The mic should work regardless how voice output is set.

Still an open question: has anyone bought the Datel adapter? I got the Zalman clip-on mic -looks very slick by the way- and am wondering if I could use the Datel adapter for it or that I should hack my current XBL headset. Please note, the Datel adapter would be used only to connect the mic to controller (not the Senn's headphones).


Does the mic have a 3.5mm or 2.5mm plug? If the latter... just plug it directly into your controller. The only thing that denies you is mute... which is a minimal inconvenience. The effort to press the mute button is the same to simply unplug the mic. Easy work around IMO.

Does the mic have a 3.5mm or 2.5mm plug? If the latter... just plug it directly into your controller. The only thing that denies you is mute... which is a minimal inconvenience.

Zalman mic's plug is too large to plugged directly in the controller. So, you'll need some kind of adapter. It is strange, some guy on Amazon wrote this: "Bought to use with PC headset but didn't support the 3.5mm plug. Only supports 2.5mm Still a great product though"...

So now I am confused... Well, I'll just hack the XBL headset and be done with it...

Well I did the "HaD3k JVC mod" today... and the new AC adaptor works flawlessly.

The only thing I'm not 100% satisfied with is the fact I had to bend the positive battery contact in order to grip it with the alligator clips. I wanted to maintain a non-destructive mod... with exception of notching the lid to allow room for the wires.

I suppose a AA battery could still fit inside without too much fuss, so its probably ok. And I realize I'll probably only use it as a mobile device <1% of the time, but I still wanted to maintain an optional battery operation.

That said, I think the result turned out very nice. Thanks HaD3k for the links/pics.

I checked the user manual of my HK AVR 635, it does DH1/DH2/DH3. Quoted from the user manual:
Dolby Headphone Dolby Headphone enables ordinary stereo headphones to portray the sound of a five-speaker surround-playback system.

The DH1 mode creates headphone presentation that resembles a small, well-damped room and is appropriate for use with both movies and music-only recordings.
The DH2 mode creates a more acoustically live room particularly suited to music listening.
The DH3 mode creates a larger room, more like a concert hall or movie theater.


I just played with the default mode (which I assume is DH1). I liked it better compared to my -expensive- 5.1 SS setup: front, center, back speakers KEF KHT 5005, and the 10" Velodyne sub. Wearing the headphones just emerges you so much better.

By the way, until yesterday I played games on my 480p TV (which sits upstairs), yesterday -when testing the DH- I played on my 720p plasma in the living room... OH MY GOD, what a difference. NO way I am going back to 480p gaming...

Yeah 300.00 headphones will do that to you..(Retail price) If anyone wants to get hi end SQ on a budget, headphones are your best bet. & stereo isn't the devil..;)

I tried the Turtle Beach X3 out tonight and I have to agree with a few of the past posts.
1) Not comfortable - Ears were hot after 5 minutes
2) Too much noise & static during quite

Taking them back tomorrow.

I tried the Turtle Beach X3 out tonight and I have to agree with a few of the past posts.
1) Not comfortable - Ears were hot after 5 minutes
2) Too much noise & static during quite

Taking them back tomorrow.
man you are going to make me regret returning the X1 ..i exchanged them for the X3 :(

Guys,

I decided to pick up a JVC adapter after reading the comments here and on other sites. I have two 5.1 systems, one linked to my projector and one linked to a plasma. The Plasma is near the bedrooms and I find myself watching that late at night at times that I dont want to fire up the theater system. So I decided to try this adapter given its reasonable price.

I had low expectations. I typically do not like simulated 5.1 and I couldn't imagine that this would produce a convincing effect.

So...I plug in my Sony V6 headphones, and I load up the Superbit DVD of the Patriot to hear what the DTS soundtrack sounds like through the JVC. I tried the analog connection first. Not too bad...the DH setting produce a reasonable sense of space between my head and the sound source. Not spectacular but a step above regular 2 channel stereo.

Then I plugged in my Optical connection using a mini adapter. HOLY SH@T. The effect knocked my socks off. The sense of space and directionality is better than I would have ever expected. And it is loud...no need for an extra headphone amp inline. I can not believe how real this simulation of 5.1 is coming out of headphones. I actually pulled them off at one point thinking that the sound had to be booming out of my speaker system.

I am incredibly impressed. A bargain at the price. Highly recommended as a sub $100 buck solution.

Well I did the "HaD3k JVC mod" today... and the new AC adaptor works flawlessly.

The only thing I'm not 100% satisfied with is the fact I had to bend the positive battery contact in order to grip it with the alligator clips. I wanted to maintain a non-destructive mod... with exception of notching the lid to allow room for the wires.

I suppose a AA battery could still fit inside without too much fuss, so its probably ok. And I realize I'll probably only use it as a mobile device <1% of the time, but I still wanted to maintain an optional battery operation.

That said, I think the result turned out very nice. Thanks HaD3k for the links/pics.

No problem. I'm glad I could help. Sorry you had to bend you pin. It was hard to articulate my twisty tie setup. However I am pleased you got it to work. I'd like to know if you would recommend the JVC adapter to people wishing to bypass using a receiver? My goal personally was to enjoy a surround sound experience without waking my girlfriend during late nights and to spend less than $200 (JVC + Headphones). Do you think the JVC is adequate in this regard? I think other readers in a similar position may benefit from your opinion.

Guys,

I decided to pick up a JVC adapter after reading the comments here and on other sites. I have two 5.1 systems, one linked to my projector and one linked to a plasma. The Plasma is near the bedrooms and I find myself watching that late at night at times that I dont want to fire up the theater system. So I decided to try this adapter given its reasonable price.

I had low expectations. I typically do not like simulated 5.1 and I couldn't imagine that this would produce a convincing effect.

So...I plug in my Sony V6 headphones, and I load up the Superbit DVD of the Patriot to hear what the DTS soundtrack sounds like through the JVC. I tried the analog connection first. Not too bad...the DH setting produce a reasonable sense of space between my head and the sound source. Not spectacular but a step above regular 2 channel stereo.

Then I plugged in my Optical connection using a mini adapter. HOLY SH@T. The effect knocked my socks off. The sense of space and directionality is better than I would have ever expected. And it is loud...no need for an extra headphone amp inline. I can not believe how real this simulation of 5.1 is coming out of headphones. I actually pulled them off at one point thinking that the sound had to be booming out of my speaker system.

I am incredibly impressed. A bargain at the price. Highly recommended as a sub $100 buck solution.

Headphones are very capable as you found out.. It goes beyond just the left & right channel.. Binaural recording prove this 10 fold. & is much more convincing then 5.1.. It's like Audio 3D..It really tricks you..I heard a jarassic park Binaural recording.. The T rex walking, & stomping.. My adrenaline was rushing, my heart was pumping.. Skin getting goose bumps.. Even though I knew it wasn't real my ears told me other wise.. You can find some online by doing a search.. As always some are better then others..

Guys,

I decided to pick up a JVC adapter after reading the comments here and on other sites. I have two 5.1 systems, one linked to my projector and one linked to a plasma. The Plasma is near the bedrooms and I find myself watching that late at night at times that I dont want to fire up the theater system. So I decided to try this adapter given its reasonable price.

I had low expectations. I typically do not like simulated 5.1 and I couldn't imagine that this would produce a convincing effect.

So...I plug in my Sony V6 headphones, and I load up the Superbit DVD of the Patriot to hear what the DTS soundtrack sounds like through the JVC. I tried the analog connection first. Not too bad...the DH setting produce a reasonable sense of space between my head and the sound source. Not spectacular but a step above regular 2 channel stereo.

Then I plugged in my Optical connection using a mini adapter. HOLY SH@T. The effect knocked my socks off. The sense of space and directionality is better than I would have ever expected. And it is loud...no need for an extra headphone amp inline. I can not believe how real this simulation of 5.1 is coming out of headphones. I actually pulled them off at one point thinking that the sound had to be booming out of my speaker system.

I am incredibly impressed. A bargain at the price. Highly recommended as a sub $100 buck solution.

The optical sound on this adapter is fantastic. I actually had to check the TV speakers as well. The sound had me confused for about the first 5 mins, but that just let me know the JVC adapter was top notch. I still think its freaking awesome.

The optical sound on this adapter is fantastic. I actually had to check the TV speakers as well. The sound had me confused for about the first 5 mins, but that just let me know the JVC adapter was top notch. I still think its freaking awesome.

I'm still a bit perplexed though. Some people like yourself think the JVC does a good job simulating 5.1 sound.. But others just think it's ok. I guess it's personal preference.:confused:

Guys - Here a little warning when you want to hack your current XBL headset and solder a clip-on mic (like Zalman's) to it. I screw up mine! The current instructions tell you to solder in the XBL adapter (the thing that plugs into your controller) itself. Well, you have very little room to work there! A better solution is to disassemble to earpiece and use the wires there. I took a picture so you can see yourself. This way you will also not risk pulling the cord from the XBL adapter -later while gaming- and undoing all your fine soldering work.

And you know what? You could even just use the mic from the XBL headset once you have removed the headband and earpiece. Find yourself a solution (Velcro?) to clip just the mic to your shirt or whatever.

So, you end up with this (see picture) and you can just reconnect the loose wires)

I'm still a bit perplexed though. Some people like yourself think the JVC does a good job simulating 5.1 sound.. But others just think it's ok. I guess it's personal preference.:confused:

Well here's my perspective:

I can only compare the JVC to two things: regular stereo & my dedicated 5.1 HT. Compared to regular stereo the JVC is awesome b/c it bypasses the receiver and therefore can manage all your sound needs locally. I find it a superior alternative to analog for both control & SQ.

It also produces very nice 3.0 sound (imo). Simulating the rear 2 channels is tough & the LFE .1 channel is really tough. But that is compared to my dedicated HT audio (which cost at least 10x). I think the only reason I am critical of the "5.1" is b/c I'm comparing it to a quality speaker system... which inherently can perform certain tasks better.

That all said, I watched select scenes from the Matrix last night & was very impressed. Again, in certain respects not as good as my home system... but I was ROCKING and my neighbors were none-the-wiser. Had I experienced something similar with my HT I would have been shaking the foundations.

All-in-all I think its a great device. But a person used to good HT should go in with the right expectations. I give it a solid thumbs up.

So, you end up with this (see picture) and you can just reconnect the loose wires)

Thanks for confirming my thoughts, this is exactly what I was thinking about doing because I've got the message pad attached to my 360 controller so the "stock" headset plug with the volume/mute doesn't fit. The headset that came with the message pad has the volume/mute controls inline down about 6 inches from the attachment point at the headset.

Well here's my perspective:

I can only compare the JVC to two things: regular stereo & my dedicated 5.1 HT. Compared to regular stereo the JVC is awesome b/c it bypasses the receiver and therefore can manage all your sound needs locally. I find it a superior alternative to analog for both control & SQ.

It also produces very nice 3.0 sound (imo). Simulating the rear 2 channels is tough & the LFE .1 channel is really tough. But that is compared to my dedicated HT audio (which cost at least 10x). I think the only reason I am critical of the "5.1" is b/c I'm comparing it to a quality speaker system... which inherently can perform certain tasks better.

That all said, I watched select scenes from the Matrix last night & was very impressed. Again, in certain respects not as good as my home system... but I was ROCKING and my neighbors were none-the-wiser. Had I experienced something similar with my HT I would have been shaking the foundations.

All-in-all I think its a great device. But a person used to good HT should go in with the right expectations. I give it a solid thumbs up.

True.

I purchased the Datel adapter and it works with the mic from the Trittons to provide me with "mute" functionality. Using the same thinking, I don't see why it wouldn't work with a clip on mic or any mic with a 2.5mm plug on the end.

Did anyone figure out if the Datel adapter was needed for a clip on mic? or figure anyway to use a clip on mic with a normal set of headphones?

I currently own the Tritton AX360 headphones but now looking at the Sennheiser HD 595. I want to have the best sound experience for gaming AND music and wondered if this would be considered an upgrade with the JVC 5.1 adapter from the Trittons.

Any thoughts?

What does it mean for headphones to be in a balanced configuration?

If my headphones weren't in a balanced configuration I'd just get the JVC adapter..

I currently own the Tritton AX360 headphones but now looking at the Sennheiser HD 595. I want to have the best sound experience for gaming AND music and wondered if this would be considered an upgrade with the JVC 5.1 adapter from the Trittons.

Any thoughts?
Yes. I'd also favor the Dolby headphone for 5.1, ala JVC, DH receivers, pioneer 5.1 headphones, etc.. over any 5.1 headset with the 8 drivers.

What does it mean for headphones to be in a balanced configuration?

Each driver (Left & Right) is being driven independently & becomes more efficient.. Very, Very, basic explanation.

heres some pics of my balanced SA5000 headphones.
http://apuresound.com/images/cables/hsa5000.html

Theres no more 1/4 jack.. Its been replaced by a female XRL termination, that plugs into a DAC with a XRL male output.
Some cans scale better then others when balanced. You will usually notice a spike in detail, clarity, (sounds become more real & natural) Better bass control..Tighter, more defined bass with better impact.. & larger sound stage.. & less distortion..

If anyone is interested theres a Cmoy on Ebay. Arguable the best Cmoy you can find.. sales for 40.00 but performs like a portable amp that cost twice as much.. Has a bass boost that doesn't suck too.. For those that don't know the Cmoy is a popular DIY amp..
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255253
More info here with the maker himself..

how come in most games you cant adjust the game volume!? gaming with headphones is becoming a pain, because when i set the voice comm's to come over "speakers" (my headphones) the game music/sounds drown out my voice comm's and i cant hear anyone, well i can tell they're talking but cant make out what they're saying.

this is mainly in halo btw, soundtrack is gorgeous, but way too loud!

595's made Headrooms 10 top headphone list. For anyone who owns the 595's or those who are thinking about buying a pair..

http://www.headphone.com/guide/by-application/our-10-best-headphones/

595 info & specs.
http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/sennheiser-hd-595.php

I bought a pair of 555's and thought it could probably get better with the 595's. Wow, was I wrong. For the money the 555's was every bit as good and I thought better.

Yeah 300.00 headphones will do that to you..(Retail price) If anyone wants to get hi end SQ on a budget, headphones are your best bet. & stereo isn't the devil..;)

it's true; i'm a headphone audiophile and longtime headfi member; i have beyer dt880's, akg k501's, and grado sr60's; i use the beyer's for gaming and even with my pc's soundcard they'r just wonderful

$200 is all you need to spend for a great (read: FANTASTIC) pair of phones on the used market; i highly reccommend headfi's classifieds

for games, i'd stay away from grados, go for senns of beyers, or maybe akg; something circamural, comfortable, with good soundstage

and as mentioned, dolby headphone is great for games and films

Headphones are very capable as you found out.. It goes beyond just the left & right channel.. Binaural recording prove this 10 fold. & is much more convincing then 5.1.. It's like Audio 3D..It really tricks you..I heard a jarassic park Binaural recording.. The T rex walking, & stomping.. My adrenaline was rushing, my heart was pumping.. Skin getting goose bumps.. Even though I knew it wasn't real my ears told me other wise.. You can find some online by doing a search.. As always some are better then others..

good binaural has to be heard to be believed; jaw dropping beyond belief

I bought a pair of 555's and thought it could probably get better with the 595's. Wow, was I wrong. For the money the 555's was every bit as good and I thought better.

preference also plays a part.. Albeit, the 595s are technically the superior headphone.. But doesn't mean you will like them more..

Each driver (Left & Right) is being driven independently & becomes more efficient.. Very, Very, basic explanation.

KBI - is there a good link you could post regarding a balanced config? I am an engineering graduate student (ie very technically minded) and I'd like to read up on the nitty gritty of this. I didn't find much when I googled**

Thanks. This headfi stuff is fun & like I said earlier, if I'm gonna get wet, I might as well dive into the deep end of the pool ;)


** Scratch that. I found THIS (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/balancedheadphones/one.html) article/review which does a pretty good job. But feel free to add anything more. Interesting stuff...

So I was walking around J&R saturday morning, saw they had the JVC adapter for under $90 and after roughly following this thread, made an impulse purchase. My biggest problem with the adapter was localization which is different then the Dolby Headphone demo I have gone through before. When playing Halo, I was having a tough time telling where sounds were coming from whether left, right or behind. Also, without a headphone amp the bottom end is M.I.A. and I have pretty easy to drive headphones... AKG 81's. Once I hooked up my headphone amp, things got better... I defaulted to DH1 as it seemed to have the least processed sound. Overall, I would have been happier if I paid $40 for it but I am keeping it mainly for late night gaming and watching movies on my laptop.

So has anyone figured out a good way to use an external set of headphones with an XBL mic?? I really want to order the HD555 or HD212pro today, but am having second thoughts because I don't know how I would get a mic working. I thought I would be able to ghetto rig something, but I am having a hard time visualizing something that would work and not be too awkward or expensive. I know I have seen a few ideas mentioned and even a pic or two of hacked up XBL headset, but didn't really see any comments or pics of a working finished product.

Someone please help. Halo 3 in silence is getting really boring. Not to mention I have no idea what is going on because I haven't heard a thing.

So has anyone figured out a good way to use an external set of headphones with an XBL mic??

Ghetto is easy: Just wear your OEM mic around your neck.


Regardless - all you need to do is plug in a 2.5mm (clip on) microphone into the controller & set the headset audio to output via speakers. And viola.

Ghetto is easy: Just wear your OEM mic around your neck.

this is the same way i do it, just sucks because even with voice set to output speakers, the voice isnt loud enough to hear during gameplay.

I wear it around my neck as well, works great but the voices can be low... you can turn the voice all the way up on the system blades and usually tone the game sounds down in the gaming settings. It's actually easy to get the mic positioned right in front of your mouth instead of near your cheek the typical way.

Ghetto FTW!!!

you can turn the voice all the way up on the system blades and usually tone the game sounds down in the gaming settings.

not in halo 3, every time the action kicks in in co-op, and the soundtrack blares at "11" i can't hear my teammates.

The mood music is definitely loud

Well, it sounds like that would at least work for now. I would like something a little more permanent eventually, but I guess I didn't think about something as simple as that.

So, any opinions on Senn HD555 vs HD212pro. I would be using >90% for gaming in my house with the headphone jack on my reciever. There might be a possiblity that I would use these with my ipod, but that would be rare. (I have a cheap ass pair of ear buds that I take to work and don't care if they break)
As far as I can tell, the 555's are going to sound better and possibly be more comfortable(around ear vs on), but be less portable, and cost more. Also maybe have a wider soundstage? I probably won't be gettng the JVC adapter anytime soon, so I would like the best "directionality" out of a stereo headset as possible. From what I understand, the 555's do a pretty good job at this.
I should mention my budget tops out at $100. Anyone seen the 555's cheaper than $99?

got my first taste of XBL today (GT = HiFi Buckeye).

first thing to report is the ghetto solution to voice worked fine. i was able to make out people just fine for both lobby & in-game slayer proxy voice. i am using my original XB headset - not the 360 version - fwiw.

secondly, however, is that the directional sound was slightly underwhelming. i'd often be left guessing exactly what direction sound came from... which i am certain would be much more discrete via true 5.1

but by and large a satisfactory solution for the gamer who wants to keep it civil amongst his neighbors. that's for sure.

guys,.... there comes a time in most everyone's life where you realize how badly you were wrong and just how far you might have misled ppl.

well,.. for me that time was a few days ago when i posted up that the turtle beach x3 headphones were nice. "I WAS WRONG".

my ears hurt all the time now, and they sweat. Not cool.

along with that is the constant hissing. and the sound isn't that great at all.

the reason i say this now is b/c i recently thought to myself (why i didn't do it sooner still confounds me) why don't i just plug in my bose QC-1 headphones and just see what they sound like.

that was all it took. night and day difference. not to mention the comfort and non-hissing experience.

now,.. granted these headphones were $250 retail (several yrs back) but still. its such a big difference in quality from the "X3's" your better off to just save your money instead of squandering it on the turtle beach crap.

anyway,.. sorry for those i might have misled.


oh and,... anyone want to buy some Turtle Beach EarForce X3's?! haha

thanks for that little review, i'll now steer clear.

also, in reguards to the jvc 5.1 box, is there any way to increase the volume on the center channel, that would fix the quiet voices in co-op

guys,.... there comes a time in most everyone's life where you realize how badly you were wrong and just how far you might have misled ppl.

well,.. for me that time was a few days ago when i posted up that the turtle beach x3 headphones were nice. "I WAS WRONG".

my ears hurt all the time now, and they sweat. Not cool.

along with that is the constant hissing. and the sound isn't that great at all.

the reason i say this now is b/c i recently thought to myself (why i didn't do it sooner still confounds me) why don't i just plug in my bose QC-1 headphones and just see what they sound like.

that was all it took. night and day difference. not to mention the comfort and non-hissing experience.

now,.. granted these headphones were $250 retail (several yrs back) but still. its such a big difference in quality from the "X3's" your better off to just save your money instead of squandering it on the turtle beach crap.

anyway,.. sorry for those i might have misled.


oh and,... anyone want to buy some Turtle Beach EarForce X3's?! haha
man i regret ordering them now :( i returned the X1s thinking that the X3s were better in terms of sound...

got my first taste of XBL today (GT = HiFi Buckeye).

first thing to report is the ghetto solution to voice worked fine. i was able to make out people just fine for both lobby & in-game slayer proxy voice. i am using my original XB headset - not the 360 version - fwiw.

secondly, however, is that the directional sound was slightly underwhelming. i'd often be left guessing exactly what direction sound came from... which i am certain would be much more discrete via true 5.1

but by and large a satisfactory solution for the gamer who wants to keep it civil amongst his neighbors. that's for sure.

What headphones are you using again? & yes, No headphone can reproduce 5.1 like a 5.1 speaker system. I still favor the DH 5.1 then the 5.1 headphones with 8 drivers.. at least the ones I heard..

Well, it sounds like that would at least work for now. I would like something a little more permanent eventually, but I guess I didn't think about something as simple as that.

So, any opinions on Senn HD555 vs HD212pro. I would be using >90% for gaming in my house with the headphone jack on my reciever. There might be a possiblity that I would use these with my ipod, but that would be rare. (I have a cheap ass pair of ear buds that I take to work and don't care if they break)
As far as I can tell, the 555's are going to sound better and possibly be more comfortable(around ear vs on), but be less portable, and cost more. Also maybe have a wider soundstage? I probably won't be gettng the JVC adapter anytime soon, so I would like the best "directionality" out of a stereo headset as possible. From what I understand, the 555's do a pretty good job at this.
I should mention my budget tops out at $100. Anyone seen the 555's cheaper than $99?

555 would be the better choice..

KBI - is there a good link you could post regarding a balanced config? I am an engineering graduate student (ie very technically minded) and I'd like to read up on the nitty gritty of this. I didn't find much when I googled**

Thanks. This headfi stuff is fun & like I said earlier, if I'm gonna get wet, I might as well dive into the deep end of the pool ;)


** Scratch that. I found THIS (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/balancedheadphones/one.html) article/review which does a pretty good job. But feel free to add anything more. Interesting stuff...
Sweet. Heres a good link to balanced. Of course it's a bit of a controversial subject. Many believe in the benefits & some do not.. Same as headphone/amp/cable 'burn in' & cables that influence your audio..
http://www.headphone.com/products/faqs/balanced-headphones/balanced-sources/
http://www.headphone.com/products/faqs/balanced-headphones/

guys,.... there comes a time in most everyone's life where you realize how badly you were wrong and just how far you might have misled ppl.

well,.. for me that time was a few days ago when i posted up that the turtle beach x3 headphones were nice. "I WAS WRONG".

my ears hurt all the time now, and they sweat. Not cool.

along with that is the constant hissing. and the sound isn't that great at all.

the reason i say this now is b/c i recently thought to myself (why i didn't do it sooner still confounds me) why don't i just plug in my bose QC-1 headphones and just see what they sound like.

that was all it took. night and day difference. not to mention the comfort and non-hissing experience.

now,.. granted these headphones were $250 retail (several yrs back) but still. its such a big difference in quality from the "X3's" your better off to just save your money instead of squandering it on the turtle beach crap.

anyway,.. sorry for those i might have misled.


oh and,... anyone want to buy some Turtle Beach EarForce X3's?! haha

& the sen 555 would even be a bigger upgrade then the Bose.. Or any 100.00 can basically..

Sweet. Heres a good link to balanced. Of course it's a bit of a controversial subject. Many believe in the benefits & some do not.. Same as headphone/amp/cable 'burn in' & cables that influence your audio..
http://www.headphone.com/products/faqs/balanced-headphones/balanced-sources/
http://www.headphone.com/products/faqs/balanced-headphones/

Definitely a fun topic to read about. Not sure I'll going balanced myself anytime soon - but not for lack of interest. As to you other question about my gaming cans - I am using the HD595's.

Definitely a fun topic to read about. Not sure I'll going balanced myself anytime soon - but not for lack of interest. As to you other question about my gaming cans - I am using the HD595's.

Yeah.. Balanced can be expensive, unless you can balance them yourself with stock cable.. I had a pro do mine... & he used his own brand of cabling.. Hundreds of dollars worth.. It's hard to find people that know how to do it to begin with. & most only specialize in certain headphones.. & the amps usually cost twice a much since you need double of everything.. Thats why I bought my DAC1 as a 'cheap' alternative. It supports male XRL outs but they wern't made for headphones but for loud speakers. There are dedicated balanced headphone amps.. I'm looking at the Headroom Balanced Desktop amp for 900.00 or the Rudi NX33 for 1,300, which supports both male & female XRL's so I can connect a balanced CD player to the amp too for a true balanced experience.. But I can always buy a Male XRL to 1/4 cable if I decide to use amps with a regular headphone jack.. But the options are limited when going balanced. Was thinking about buying the 595's again just to balance them.. But need to save for my balanced amp..

So has anyone figured out a good way to use an external set of headphones with an XBL mic?? I really want to order the HD555 or HD212pro today, but am having second thoughts because I don't know how I would get a mic working. I thought I would be able to ghetto rig something, but I am having a hard time visualizing something that would work and not be too awkward or expensive. I know I have seen a few ideas mentioned and even a pic or two of hacked up XBL headset, but didn't really see any comments or pics of a working finished product.

Someone please help. Halo 3 in silence is getting really boring. Not to mention I have no idea what is going on because I haven't heard a thing.

I can fullheartedly recommend Senn 595 with the Zalman clip-on mic. Please see earlier in the thread how I "hacked" the XBL headset in the earpiece itself (do not hack IN the adapter part). Another solution is the Datel adapter with the Zalman clip-on mic AND a 3.5 female to 2.5 male adapter (but I haven't played it this way). I also played with the XBL headset around my neck. This is fine for 30-45 min., it sucks for several hour gaming sessions. Honestly, the Zalman mic is very elegant and the combo (Senn's + mic) is easy to put on/off your head.

I can also confirm playing matchmaking on XBL works perfect with this combo. No problem hearing voices or other players hearing me. I have not played co-op so cannot comment how voices come through then.

So, JUST to satisfy the need for pictures, here is how I play:

Now that I think of it, I would like to test in-play surround sound. Obviously, when I get matched up with random players I can't ask them to stick around in a custom game and try it out.

A.C.? You posted your GT. KBI? You guys want to team up tonight and actually TEST surround sound (so one person stands still and the other runs around the first one while talking/shooting). It would be great if someone with TRITTON's or the X3's can also join me/us.

Say 8 PM ET?

Sure. I'm game. What's your GT?

secondly, however, is that the directional sound was slightly underwhelming. i'd often be left guessing exactly what direction sound came from...


Assuming you are using the JVC adapter, this is exactly my experience... In multiplayer you are almost better going to stereo for better directional sound. I am keeping the adapter for movie watching late night and travel, it seemed to do an okay job at creating space but not directional sound which works well for movies.

i may give stereo sound a shot tonight.

i assume optical > JVC (w/ neither PLII or DH selected) tis unmodified PCM 2.0 right?

Sure. I'm game. What's your GT?

Blazed by Dutch

555 would be the better choice..
Yea, that is what I figured. I guess I was just hoping someone would chime in and say, "go for the 212" and then I would have a reason to buy the cheaper phones. But alas, I already broke down and ordered the HD555. Hopefully they will be here by the end of the week. I can't wait! Played through another level of Halo last night in silence. Now I will have an excuse to go back and play through again, only this time in beautiful sonical clarity.

if the 555's are anything like the 595's (which some have said they are) then you are in for a treat. i am really happy with my sennheiser's.

I can fullheartedly recommend Senn 595 with the Zalman clip-on mic. Please see earlier in the thread how I "hacked" the XBL headset in the earpiece itself (do not hack IN the adapter part). Another solution is the Datel adapter with the Zalman clip-on mic - see post TotalDistinction (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11762938#post11762929) (but I haven't played it this way). I also played with the XBL headset around my neck. This is fine for 30-45 min., it sucks for several hour gaming sessions. Honestly, the Zalman mic is very elegant and the combo (Senn's + mic) is easy to put on/off your head.

I can also confirm playing matchmaking on XBL works perfect with this combo. No problem hearing voices or other players hearing me. I have not played co-op so cannot comment how voices come through then.

So, JUST to satisfy the need for pictures, here is how I play:

Thanks for the response. I will definately have to check out that clip on mic. Looks easy and functional. Last night I tried to hack apart my old XBL headset. I was surprised at how easy it was. HOWEVER, I was using an old headset that I replaced because the mic stopped working. So, I was able to disassemble the headset and end up with just the mic arm wired to the controller adapter like suggested in the other post. Unfortunately, after I got it all wired up, it didn't work. I was hoping the reason the mic stopped working was because the wires just got twisted in the swivel arm of the mic. When I opened it up, that didn't appear to be the case. I don't doubt this would have worked with a working headset. But the clip on looks even better.

How much was that Zalman? Is there a place to find it locally, like a radioshack or did you have to order it? Thanks,

has anyone found anything like the Zalman... but with a 2.5mm jack? granted its no big deal to hack the communicator, etc, but the smaller jack would provide such an elegant & simple solution.

i may give stereo sound a shot tonight.

i assume optical > JVC (w/ neither PLII or DH selected) tis unmodified PCM 2.0 right?

I would think so, it sounded good but I didn't listen very long, I just disconnected and went straight through my receiver.

After reading through this thread twice, I have a set of Pioneer SE-DIR800C's on the way to me. They will be here tomorrow. I almost bought a set of these years ago, but never pulled the trigger. I think I was put off by the set of Acoustic Research wireless phones I received as a gift back then...they SUCKED! Constant hiss. They were returned the next day.

The last couple of nights I've been playing using my Grado SR-325's straight out of my Onkyo receiver. They sounded great, and I could kind of tell what directions sounds were coming from.

I'm hoping the Pioneers are as good as everyone says they are. I guess I'll find out tomorrow...

How much was that Zalman? Is there a place to find it locally, like a radioshack or did you have to order it? Thanks,

Mine was $6.99 plus $2.55 shipping. I ordered it here (http://www.xoxide.com/zmmic1.html).

Mine was $6.99 plus $2.55 shipping. I ordered it here (http://www.xoxide.com/zmmic1.html).

Cool. Thanks, I just googled Zalman clip on mic and got plenty of websites selling it for ~$5-15. 6.99 with only 2.55 shipping isn't too bad at all. I will still probably check radioshack to see if they have something similar I can just pick up.

has anyone found anything like the Zalman... but with a 2.5mm jack? granted its no big deal to hack the communicator, etc, but the smaller jack would provide such an elegant & simple solution.

You know, I was already confused if the Zalman mic would have fit in the Datel adapter. TotalDistinction's post doesn't fully clarify that. What is confirmed that the Datel adapter provides a mute function for the TRITTON or old XBL headsets. Nevertheless, as I didn't have either one of those I couldn't compare the size of the Zalman plug (3.5 you say?) versus a TRITTON plug (must then be 2.5...). The Zalman plug is the same size as another clip-on mic that I have (though, as these latter came combined with plug-in earphones I never used these).

Even a 3.5 female to 2.5 male adapter would work, like this one (http://www.tangshop.com/35mm-to-25mm-adapter.html)

Even a 3.5 female to 2.5 male adapter would work, like this one (http://www.tangshop.com/35mm-to-25mm-adapter.html)

hehe. Yeah, I've just been looking at those online. I might stop in at a local cell phone shop & see what they have. Apparently that is the most common application for those adaptors.

Now that I think of it, I would like to test in-play surround sound. Obviously, when I get matched up with random players I can't ask them to stick around in a custom game and try it out.

A.C.? You posted your GT. KBI? You guys want to team up tonight and actually TEST surround sound (so one person stands still and the other runs around the first one while talking/shooting). It would be great if someone with TRITTON's or the X3's can also join me/us.

Say 8 PM ET?

No H3.. But I like the idea though.

No H3.. But I like the idea though.

What?! No H3??? :eek: What are you doing in the XBOX forums?? Nah, just kidding... :p

Well, A.C. will be there and perhaps some others will join so we can still test it out and post results later. It would be really good if a TRITTON user would join...

I could hop on and I'm a Tritton user but it wouldn't be til like 8ish CST. Let me know. Ciao!

What?! No H3??? :eek: What are you doing in the XBOX forums?? Nah, just kidding... :p

Well, A.C. will be there and perhaps some others will join so we can still test it out and post results later. It would be really good if a TRITTON user would join...
Never played H1 either? I tested the directional audio on my cans before.. I would spin around in front of a clock...& could tell F/B/L/R.. although the F/B takes a while to get down..I was playing R6 & knew a Tango was coming from behind me so I turned around & blasted him.. I know the Trittons & DH 5.1 would make it more clear though..

Theres a DH on the special edition T2 DVD.. Much better then the stereo mix.. & decent as 5.1.

I could hop on and I'm a Tritton user but it wouldn't be til like 8ish CST. Let me know. Ciao!

Sounds great! Please send friend request when you are online.

What kind of jack is on the sennheiser 555? I would guess 1/4 but I'm not certain.

What kind of jack is on the sennheiser 555? I would guess 1/4 but I'm not certain.

Yup. 6.3 mm stereo jack (= 1/4") with 3.5 mm adapter

who uses a 1/4" jack anymore? i mean surely 99% of all headphone applications are 3.5mm

is it just a legacy carry over from yester-year or is it still the de-facto size of serious headfi equipment?

who uses a 1/4" jack anymore? i mean surely 99% of all headphone applications are 3.5mm

is it just a legacy carry over from yester-year or is it still the de-facto size of serious headfi equipment?

I would think that <see bold>, in particular receivers...

who uses a 1/4" jack anymore? i mean surely 99% of all headphone applications are 3.5mm

is it just a legacy carry over from yester-year or is it still the de-facto size of serious headfi equipment?

Most non portable headphones have 1/4.. Portables have 1/8..Home headphone amps require 1/4..

man i regret ordering them now :( i returned the X1s thinking that the X3s were better in terms of sound...

as far as functionality,.. the x3's are better than the x1's. but if you can spend more... i'd return them asap and get something better. haven't tried the tritton's but they're proving be be nice on here.

FYI,
Stopped by radioshack on my lunchbreak. Not much in the way of mics, but they did have a 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter for 9.99. They guy said they usually have a "clip on mic" but they were out and not sure if they were going to get more or not. Thought I would share.

FYI,
Stopped by radioshack on my lunchbreak. Not much in the way of mics, but they did have a 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter for 9.99. They guy said they usually have a "clip on mic" but they were out and not sure if they were going to get more or not. Thought I would share.

RadioShack Mic (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103831&cp=&sr=1&origkw=microphone&kw=microphone&parentPage=search). I like the white. Matches my 360. I might give this a try. Too bad its 1/8" (3.5mm)....

I just got the trittons a few weeks ago and I just thought I would give you my two cents. The build quality seems quite good, they are fairly durable and well made. They are not as heavy as I had read about somewhere, actually they are quite comfortable. As soon as I got them I popped in bioshock and had a listen. At first I was not sure about them, but after some time adjusting and fine tuning delay and volume levels, I am now quite impressed! Properly set up these are awesome gameing cans perfect for late night sessions :) They have a clear robust sound and you really do hear every little noise. As far as surround sound they do not sound like a real HT setup, but you do get a decent "surround sound" and what you do get is good seperation between channels. While I'm sure these are not the best headphones ever, I would still give them very high marks. If anyone has any questions I would be more than happy to try and answer them.

I got my Pioneer SE-DIR800Cs yesterday. Bad news for me :(

I like the look and feel and they sound very nice, but my 58" plasma doesn't like them. I'm about 12' to 14' away from the transmitter with it sitting near my TV where I need it to be. I'm rather constrained with its location and to relocate it away from the TV I may as well run a headphone cable to my seating position and skip the wireless part.

Anyway, I hooked everything up and put in fresh batteries. I noticed signal breakup right away, but I assumed it was just syncing. I finally got a clear signal and they sounded great, but then more breakup. After more testing I realized that the breakup would occur when the scene suddenly got bright. I found in the manual that the unit shouldn't be used with a plasma system, but there was a post on Amazon that said they didn't have a problem with plasma IR interference.

I recently went through this same problem with a HotLink Pro IR distribution system for my remote control. The unit came with an LED that signaled IR. The LED would get brighter or darker to match the scene on the TV. My plasma was putting out too much IR noise to get reliable communication with the unit. I basically had to hide the unit's sensor behind the TV to get the LED dim (as suggested in the instructions), but then it wouldn't work well for my remote. I sent it back and went with an RF solution. If it wasn't for that Amazon post then I wouldn't have considered them.

It now looks like I'll be getting the Sen 595s and an extention cable and just use my HK635's DH jack.

A few of us tried to demo our SS headphones last night on Halo 3:

myself: 595's + JVC
oceanjumper: 595's (stereo?)
jazzman: tritton (5.1)

I think we all had a bit of difficulty identifying sound directly behind (6 o'clock) - but that may be expected. I believe the trittons may have been more accurate between 5 & 7 o'clock... but the 595's (with and without processing) did pretty well. The L/R/C channels were golden regardless.

After our demo, I played the entire night in stereo myself. It may or may not be the case, but I find the sound to be more crisp. But I'm still getting used to my config - so it may take a while before I can really come to any solid conclusions.

And... one final piece of FYI. I stopped by RadioShack on the way home from work and picked up their clip on mic ($5) and 3.5/2.5 adaptor ($2.50). I plugged that combo directly into my controller. The guys could hear me well enough last night - so I guess it works good. And the RS mic has a built in on/off button which can act as a mute. That said its not white - its that off color beige...

A few of us tried to demo our SS headphones last night on Halo 3:

myself: 595's + JVC
oceanjumper: 595's (stereo?)
jazzman: tritton (5.1)

I think we all had a bit of difficulty identifying sound directly behind (6 o'clock) - but that may be expected. I believe the trittons may have been more accurate between 5 & 7 o'clock... but the 595's (with and without processing) did pretty well. The L/R/C channels were golden regardless.

After our demo, I played the entire night in stereo myself. It may or may not be the case, but I find the sound to be more crisp. But I'm still getting used to my config - so it may take a while before I can really come to any solid conclusions.

And... one final piece of FYI. I stopped by RadioShack on the way home from work and picked up their clip on mic ($5) and 3.5/2.5 adaptor ($2.50). I plugged that combo directly into my controller. The guys could hear me well enough last night - so I guess it works good. And the RS mic has a built in on/off button which can act as a mute. That said its not white - its that off color beige...
A.C,
Thanks for posting your findings. I'm curious what the other two guys thought as well, so hopefully they'll post.

In any case, I think it's safe to say that you've discovered that a good pair of high-end headphones makes gaming more enjoyable, is that right? I do most of my gaming with headphones on, so I've been doing a cost vs. benefit comparison for the last couple months, debating with myself whether it's "worth it" to splurge on a set of 555s or 595s. I currently use a set of $15 or $20 portable headphones which sound halfway okay - good bass response, clear mids & highs, etc., but I'm sure a high-end set would sound better. Making my decision more difficult is the JVC Dolby Headphone processor, and whether I should include that as part of my headphone purchase as well.

After what you said about spending the rest of the evening in stereo instead of DH -- based on your experience would you say it's more important to use high quality headphones in stereo, or lower quality headphones with DH SS simulation?

Also, when you spent the rest of the evening in stereo, were the headphones still hooked up through the JVC DH processor, just with DH disabled? I'm curious whether that would provide a different stereo mix than I'd get through the "red & white" stereo ouput of the xbox... since it's the JVC mixing down a digital 5.1 signal to stereo, instead of the xbox's stereo mix. So I think there's another experiment for you if you're curious about that too.

In any case, I think it's safe to say that you've discovered that a good pair of high-end headphones makes gaming more enjoyable, is that right?
I really enjoy my 595's. They are super comfortable. They sound great. And they allow me to game in near-anonymity with my roommates/neighbors.

would you say it's more important to use high quality headphones in stereo, or lower quality headphones with DH SS simulation?
In my limited observation, I would say high quality stereo is better than low quality DH SS.

Also, when you spent the rest of the evening in stereo, were the headphones still hooked up through the JVC DH processor, just with DH disabled?
Correct. My JVC box acts as my receiver. It accepts an optical input & then converts that bitstream. I believe two signals are actually present: DD & 2 channel PCM. When I "gamed in stereo" I had DH disabled... which I assume meant I was listening to the PCM track (but that is only an educated guess).

I could try using the R/W analog RCA's... however I'd have to incorporate my A/V receiver (which currently is not part of my 360 setup).

If it is a part of your setup though, you should definitely use your AV receiver for stereo. G-Bull, first of all definitely upgrade your headphones, you will be amazed when you put a good pair of headphones on... I can't stress this enough. Secondly, don't worry about the JVC adapter if you have an AV receiver, the surround effects are nice but not necessary, use the cash for the headphones.

If it is a part of your setup though, you should definitely use your AV receiver for stereo.

care to follow up on that? i'm just curious.

Your AV receiver will better drive your headphones. Remember you are just taking that signal straight from the source and while the nifty JVC device does a good job of amplification it will never push out what your AV receiver can. I noticed a big increase in bottom end when switching from JVC Stereo to my Onkyo receiver.

interesting. guess i will have to try it out then. thanks.

For me, the Trittons sound great but there are too many wires to get tangled up in. Mine are probably going to *bay.

:(

No Problem...Let us know what you think!

In our test yesterday I played with my Senn's 595, stereo. I used a '2 RCA to 1 stereo' adapter connected to the XBOX HD cable. When we tested SS I had my eyes closed and could fairly well tell where sound was coming from. However, having said all this, when you are in full action fighting grunts I am not so sure if I would be able to tell. I guess this also depends on the player.

Last week I played with my Senn's plugged into the DH of my HK AVR 635. It sounded fantastic but I do not think it would help me better in orientation.

So, for me personally, my grand conclusions are:
1) Game with headphones. Just the emersion is worth it
2) Play with GOOD headphones. I played with a cheap headset, a reasonably noise-cancelling Sennheiser, iPod earphones and the 595. Not surprisingly, the 595 -by far- outperforms the others.
3) The JVC 5.1 adapter does not seem to be worth it if you use it for gaming only. Reviews are very positive for movies. Volume control of the JVC would be nice although the default volume for me is just fine.
4) The TRITTONs are a very good deal for all that you get (optical input, volume control, somewhat better SS). If it is truly for gaming only, and perhaps for not more than 1-2 hour game session at a time, I would recommend those.
5) I do recommend the 595 for those who game for long periods at a time, and for those who wish to use the headset for more than just gaming (although the 555 seem also "good enough" for gaming).
6) If you have a receiver with Dolby Headphone, use it

Thanks to all who contributed!

Using headphones sounds great, but I do have some more reservations

My major concern with gaming headphones is that people have a propencity to walk in front of you when you're playing video games. I don't know what it is, but it happens to me all the time. (Yet nobody would ever walk in front of you watching a DVD.) I'd guess a lot of you plug into a receiver but I'm worried about plugging into the stereo cables using an adapter.

I'd guess a lot of you plug into a receiver but I'm worried about plugging into the stereo cables using an adapter.

Besides people snapping the cord out of the receiver or adapter, what is your 'extra' worry regarding using a rca->stereo adapter? If you have a general concern using headphones I am afraid this thread is not going to help you no matter what...

For me, the Trittons sound great but there are too many wires to get tangled up in. Mine are probably going to *bay.

:(

How many wires are there? Isn't there just one going to the unit itself and one going to your controller for Live Chat? I am wanting a pair, PM me if you are still wanting to get rid of them.

i was just thinking the same thing. for a "wireless console" i sure have a lot of them.

1. play & charge
2. headphones
3. headset/mic

between the three it feels like i'm in a web of wire. the feeling of freedom was much higher back with the old wavebird & GCN.

A few of us tried to demo our SS headphones last night on Halo 3:

myself: 595's + JVC
oceanjumper: 595's (stereo?)
jazzman: tritton (5.1)

I think we all had a bit of difficulty identifying sound directly behind (6 o'clock) - but that may be expected. I believe the trittons may have been more accurate between 5 & 7 o'clock... but the 595's (with and without processing) did pretty well. The L/R/C channels were golden regardless.

After our demo, I played the entire night in stereo myself. It may or may not be the case, but I find the sound to be more crisp. But I'm still getting used to my config - so it may take a while before I can really come to any solid conclusions.

And... one final piece of FYI. I stopped by RadioShack on the way home from work and picked up their clip on mic ($5) and 3.5/2.5 adaptor ($2.50). I plugged that combo directly into my controller. The guys could hear me well enough last night - so I guess it works good. And the RS mic has a built in on/off button which can act as a mute. That said its not white - its that off color beige...

Yes.. getting sound from behind is difficult with 5.1 headsets/headphone.. But headphones do, & are capable of it.. As I experienced it myself.. If game soundtracks were recorded Biarurally you could easily pinpoint a sound coming from behind you..

Yeah binaural recording are amazing

could you even program a videogame to be binaural? since the in-game orientation is dynamic, but the sound recording specific to relative position... wouldn't that require a LOT of data samples?

I don't know but the market for it vs cost means we will never get it but once you demo it, it's pretty impressive stuff.

i've given a few samples a test. but didn't i read that to truly experience binaural you should be wearing in-ear "buds" vs. regular buds and/or cans?

it seems like such a truly niche experience that you are right - i can't ever see dev's taking the time to implement it.

How many wires are there? Isn't there just one going to the unit itself and one going to your controller for Live Chat? I am wanting a pair, PM me if you are still wanting to get rid of them.

You're correct about the 2 wires, plus I have an optical wire to go from the 360 to the tritton controller.. I guess it's not that bad if you are used to wires.

It's just that I have a set of the Pioneer wireless and im sort of spoiled to the "lack of wires". I'm going to have to figure out something else for my mic needs. I may try the "original mic around my neck suggestion".

I replied to your PM btw. thanks.

:)

i've given a few samples a test. but didn't i read that to truly experience binaural you should be wearing in-ear "buds" vs. regular buds and/or cans?

it seems like such a truly niche experience that you are right - i can't ever see dev's taking the time to implement it.

There are Bi recordings though..Full length albums.. Since the majority use speakers thats what the audio for games & movies is mixed in.. So you aren't getting the most out of your headphones since the audio was meant to be heard through speakers.. But can still sound very nice...

hey guys,.. any suggestions for an inline volume control accessory for my Bose QC-1 Headphones?

these headphones just have a "hi" and "lo" setting which is lame. i saw this:

http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=1194&t_mode=des

any thoughts? suggestions, links?

Looks pretty good. Though, I suspect you can mostly turn the volume only down. It won't -I'd imagine- boost the volume up from the default level the 360 puts out. As I mentioned earlier, at least in Halo 2 & 3 the default volume is just fine for me.

You can get a similar device at radio shack leland... its a Boosteroo with RS branding...

Oceanjumper by default volume, I am going to take the mental leap and assume you are using the JVC adapter. My experience with it wasn't so much a problem with actual volume but amplification seems to really lack bottom end IMO. Big difference in bass when you go stereo from a full size AV receiver.

I've been following this thread since its inception, and I've learned a heckuva lot of things from it.

I picked up the Japanese import version of the JVC SU-DH1 and this thing WORKS! My home theater system is killer, but now I'm gaming with my old Sennheiser HD-540's plugged into the adapter most of the time because the immersion level is extraordinary. I can't sit still half the time because the illusion almost complete. I haven't even tried it with movies yet.

I'm now having a great little CMoy headphone amp built by a guy who calls himself BMG from his ebay site. His info page is really informative about these little amps, with lots of pics and educational info. His product really appears to be above average.

Luckily this site steered me away from buying the "surround sound headphones" packed with cheap little drivers I was looking at. Ignore all that nonsense about gaming headphones and get some decent cans for your money.

On order is the Datel adapter for the XBOX 360 remote, and the Zalman clip-on mic for online gaming. Toys, toys, toys....

Oceanjumper by default volume, I am going to take the mental leap and assume you are using the JVC adapter.

i believe he has said he is running directly off the red/white RCA's using a simple adaptor... which i would not have thought would have produced a comfortable sound level... but apparently it does using his 595's (surely the db level would vary based on the resistance of the headphones in question).

i believe he has said he is running directly off the red/white RCA's using a simple adaptor... which i would not have thought would have produced a comfortable sound level... but apparently it does using his 595's (surely the db level would vary based on the resistance of the headphones in question).

Yup. what A.C. said...

I've been following this thread since its inception, and I've learned a heckuva lot of things from it.

I picked up the Japanese import version of the JVC SU-DH1 and this thing WORKS! My home theater system is killer, but now I'm gaming with my old Sennheiser HD-540's plugged into the adapter most of the time because the immersion level is extraordinary. I can't sit still half the time because the illusion almost complete. I haven't even tried it with movies yet.

I'm now having a great little CMoy headphone amp built by a guy who calls himself BMG from his ebay site. His info page is really informative about these little amps, with lots of pics and educational info. His product really appears to be above average.

Luckily this site steered me away from buying the "surround sound headphones" packed with cheap little drivers I was looking at. Ignore all that nonsense about gaming headphones and get some decent cans for your money.

On order is the Datel adapter for the XBOX 360 remote, and the Zalman clip-on mic for online gaming. Toys, toys, toys....
Arguably the best Mcoy is made by a Headfi member named 'blackie'.. Theres a review on headfi.com. Retails for 40.00 as of now.. But sounds like a 100.00 amp.. & it has bass boost that doesn't suck.. I hear it sounds really nice.. The Mcoy amp will add more volume, wider soundstage, crisper sound, more detail.. It will enhance the 5.1 effects along with the overall SQ.. I'm sure its much better then the JVC's internal amp..

I'm not a fan of 5.1 with 8 drivers. It's flawed by design.. But if people can live with supbar SQ in order to get decent SS on a budget, they are decent alternatives.. My name gripe is when I read these 5.1 headset makers proclaim their digital headphones sound much better then ANY 'regular' headphone because they are 5.1 digital.. Thats false & reeks with ignorance. AKG1000 ear speakers, Sony R10's, Sony Q10's, ATL3000, HE60/HE90, Stax Omegas.. Would kill any 5.1 headset in terms of SQ..

Sorry I didnt want to read through 14 pages but I read a few and I gather that either the 595s or the 555s are a good choice. However, I do not want to purchase an amp. I would be plugging them straight into my tv. Would it really be worth the money without an amp? Im assuming to get xbl you just change the setting so that voices come thorugh the speakers right? Im easy to please. I listened to a pair of boss headphones at target and was really impressed with the sound lol. I was thinking the 555s. The pirce on amazon seems decent enough for something like this. I just want to know if its worth it without an amp.

I use the 595's directly connected to the XBOX (using $3 RCA to stereo adapter), with no amp. I bypass the TV with this. I only played H2 & H3 with this but the sound quality is really good (and voices come through perfectly after changing the XBL settings how you described).

I have no personal experience with the 555 but others have reported little difference between them for Halo. If you're not an audiophile, get the 555.

Sorry I didnt want to read through 14 pages but I read a few and I gather that either the 595s or the 555s are a good choice. However, I do not want to purchase an amp. I would be plugging them straight into my tv. Would it really be worth the money without an amp? Im assuming to get xbl you just change the setting so that voices come thorugh the speakers right? Im easy to please. I listened to a pair of boss headphones at target and was really impressed with the sound lol. I was thinking the 555s. The pirce on amazon seems decent enough for something like this. I just want to know if its worth it without an amp.

I don't think it is actually the amp that everyone is talking about. It is the surround sound processing such as Dolby Headphone, but the amp is usually part of these units anyway.

Sorry I didnt want to read through 14 pages but I read a few and I gather that either the 595s or the 555s are a good choice. However, I do not want to purchase an amp. I would be plugging them straight into my tv. Would it really be worth the money without an amp? Im assuming to get xbl you just change the setting so that voices come thorugh the speakers right? Im easy to please. I listened to a pair of boss headphones at target and was really impressed with the sound lol. I was thinking the 555s. The pirce on amazon seems decent enough for something like this. I just want to know if its worth it without an amp.

Yes.. But I don't think the 555's are as bass heavy, & bloated as the Bose though.

I don't think it is actually the amp that everyone is talking about. It is the surround sound processing such as Dolby Headphone, but the amp is usually part of these units anyway.

Yes.. It has a mini amp & mini DAC that work decent enough. But a external amp, & maybe external DAC (if theres a way to it) would bring the overall performance to a whole new level..

Well, I am happy to say my HD555's were delivered yesterday. I also got a Zalman clip on mic, but haven't done anything with it yet.
I have had limited time to test things out, but I am overall pleased. There are a few things that I still have to figure out though.

I have the 555s plugged into my lower end Onkyo reciever, recieving a down mixed(to stereo) DD signal from the Xbox. No Dolby headphone for me. So far I have only had a chance to play Halo3. I played a little solo campaign at first and I got to say, Wow. I was able to hear things I never noticed before, like Master chiefs footsteps, machine gun shells hitting the floor, and little comments from the other marines and the covenant. I was surprised at the directionallity I was able to percieve with just the stereo. Left and right channels were very well separated and I even had a sense of front and back it seemed. Overall a great single player experience.

So later I was able to get into a campaign with a friend of mine. I set the voice to come over speakers adn set the volume to 10 in the dashboard. Using my headset around my neck for now, I was able to communicate just fine with him in the dashboard. Once we started the game however it was a different story. Even in non combat I was having a hard time hearing his voice through the phones. Then once we entered a battle, the music and explosions start and I could'nt hear a single thing from him. It really made the coop difficult not being able to communicate. By the end of the night, I had my headset on, and the 555s on my head OVER the headset. This worked OK, I could hear him and the game, but was not ideal or very comfortable. Definately not what I had in mind. I didn't play any multiplayer or other games.

So, tonight I want to try some other games, mainly GOW. I know that in Gears (and most other games) there is an audio menu where you can adjust SFX, music, dialouge, etc. volume. I believe that tweaking this I would be able to actually hear voice through the phones. I was VERY surprised to find a similar menu missing in Halo. Unless I just couldn't find it. I looked.
I also want to try out the zalman mic. Headset around my neck worked, but was a little annoying, especially if you where to do it for extened periods of time. I am trying to find a cheap 2.5 to 3.5 adapter before I go chopping up the mic wire.

Two more things I wanted to say. One, so far the 555s seemed pretty comfortable. I haven't worn them for more than an hour at a time though. My ears started to get a little warm after a while. Second, was comment on the "open" design. For anyone who doesn't know, they are Very open. I put them on and could hear everything else in the room just fine, like I wasn't wearing them. Furthermore, I took them off during Halo and set them on the table. I could almost hear the sound from 5 feet away as good as if I was wearing them. LOTS of sound in and out of the open design. I read about this, but did not expect it to such a degree.

Thats it for now. I wil post more when i have a little more time to play around with them.
John

I'd like to also report back on the JVC amp... I had yet to have the opportunity to listen to the JVC surround amp outside of much gaming and quickly flipping through a dvd. So a golden opportunity arose to watch a full movie while my Fiance was taking a nap. Using the optical out from the DVD player, through the JVC amp and again through a headphone amp and finally to my UE 5 pro's... I got my self all geared up and ready.

I popped in the Russian flick "Nightwatch" which I had never seen before, it was a blind buy sadly based on #1 it being on sale and #2 a comment Quentin Tarantino made about it posted on the back... LOL took a lot to admit that. :-)

So I turned off the lights and... WOW!!! I don't know if I was just memorized by the film or something just didn't impress me the first time around with the JVC amp or maybe it was just the immersion factor... most likely it was because I wasn't expecting as much 10 minutes after plunking down $90 for it.

I was floored regardless, it did a great job of opening up the soundstage and simulating surround. I had to actually pause the movie at one point because I got so disorientated due to the engulfing sound. So this thing is definitely a keeper for movies but for some reason I haven't been overly impressed on the gaming front yet. I've tried Bioshock, PGR4, Madden and H3.

Really cool movie for those into that kind of stuff and very impressive transfer, I wasn't expecting such a high quality presentation so it was a nice blind buy surprise for me.

I'd like to also report back on the JVC amp... I had yet to have the opportunity to listen to the JVC surround amp outside of much gaming and quickly flipping through a dvd. So a golden opportunity arose to watch a full movie while my Fiance was taking a nap. Using the optical out from the DVD player, through the JVC amp and again through a headphone amp and finally to my UE 5 pro's... I got my self all geared up and ready.

I popped in the Russian flick "Nightwatch" which I had never seen before, it was a blind buy sadly based on #1 it being on sale and #2 a comment Quentin Tarantino made about it posted on the back... LOL took a lot to admit that. :-)

So I turned off the lights and... WOW!!! I don't know if I was just memorized by the film or something just didn't impress me the first time around with the JVC amp or maybe it was just the immersion factor... most likely it was because I wasn't expecting as much 10 minutes after plunking down $90 for it.

I was floored regardless, it did a great job of opening up the soundstage and simulating surround. I had to actually pause the movie at one point because I got so disorientated due to the engulfing sound. So this thing is definitely a keeper for movies but for some reason I haven't been overly impressed on the gaming front yet. I've tried Bioshock, PGR4, Madden and H3.

Really cool movie for those into that kind of stuff and very impressive transfer, I wasn't expecting such a high quality presentation so it was a nice blind buy surprise for me.
Maybe you'd prefer a 5.1 gaming headset..

So later I was able to get into a campaign with a friend of mine. I set the voice to come over speakers adn set the volume to 10 in the dashboard. Using my headset around my neck for now, I was able to communicate just fine with him in the dashboard. Once we started the game however it was a different story. Even in non combat I was having a hard time hearing his voice through the phones.

I agree 100%. The campaign sound effects... but primarily the score, makes it nearly impossible to hear voice through the speakers. Thankfully multiplayer is fine (imo, b/c it has little-to-no soundtrack).

I personally decided that when I play campaign co-op I will sacrifice sound & wear the headset instead. It is a compromise that could have been easily avoided had Bungie implemented an SFX volume control... but alas they did not.

KBI, the issue I think for me is how important directional surround is in a game, movies can get away with having rear sounds just coming from behind where gaming rear left or right is much more important. This is why... so far, I like gaming in stereo better.

I now have the 2nd 360 going to an amp and then to headphones. It is set to 2.1 and it still has confusing surround info in the mix. But it is better then nothing. We are using big over the ear headphones so the main stereo doesn't conflict with the headphone mix.

I'd like to also report back on the JVC amp... I had yet to have the opportunity to listen to the JVC surround amp outside of much gaming and quickly flipping through a dvd. So a golden opportunity arose to watch a full movie while my Fiance was taking a nap. Using the optical out from the DVD player, through the JVC amp and again through a headphone amp and finally to my UE 5 pro's... I got my self all geared up and ready.

I popped in the Russian flick "Nightwatch" which I had never seen before, it was a blind buy sadly based on #1 it being on sale and #2 a comment Quentin Tarantino made about it posted on the back... LOL took a lot to admit that. :-)

So I turned off the lights and... WOW!!! I don't know if I was just memorized by the film or something just didn't impress me the first time around with the JVC amp or maybe it was just the immersion factor... most likely it was because I wasn't expecting as much 10 minutes after plunking down $90 for it.

I was floored regardless, it did a great job of opening up the soundstage and simulating surround. I had to actually pause the movie at one point because I got so disorientated due to the engulfing sound. So this thing is definitely a keeper for movies but for some reason I haven't been overly impressed on the gaming front yet. I've tried Bioshock, PGR4, Madden and H3.



I had the same jaw dropping experience with a DTS movie soundtrack. Had low expectations for the JVC...plugged in the optical cable....started the movie...and I became totally engulfed in sound.

In fact I had the same disorientation...at one point I ripped my headphones off convinced that this had to be room rattling sound I was experienced...nope totally silent outside :)

just picked up one of these. great price and great shipping. thought it might be for some others here looking to avoid the xbox 360 "mic hack". some might still want the datel adapter but i've found that i rarely mute and when i do it's pretty easy just to use the guide button on the controller and then through personal settings mute.

anyway,.. hope this helps.
3.5mm --> 2.5mm
(can't post the ebay direct link so here's the item #)
Go to Ebay and use:
150169531223

^ i bought my 3.5/2.5 adaptor at radioshack for like $2.50

i can't imagine ebay being that much cheaper ;)

^ i bought my 3.5/2.5 adaptor at radioshack for like $2.50

i can't imagine ebay being that much cheaper ;)

Man the one at the radio shack by my work was 9.99. Anyway, I think I might have to do something a little bit different now anyway. The voice through the "speakers" meaning my HD555s is just not doing it for me. I tried a little GOW multiplayer last night and had the SFX, music and dialogue at one above off and had the volume on my reciever fairly loud. I could hear the game well and hear people's voices OK, but defiantely not great. Even in the dashboard voices sound hollow and nasally or something.

So my plan is to take the controller plug from a broken headset and hardwire to it both the Zalman clip on mic I got, and also a single earbud from an old pair of headphones. That way I should be able to plug this in and have mic through the zalman, and voice in one ear via the earbud tucked neatly under the HD555s. I should have mute and volume control as well this way.

That said, I did want to mention that for one player, I am loving the sennheiser HD555. When I am not trying to talk to people it is really fun gaming with these things. Meanwhile, my sleeping GF and neighbor are none the wiser.

Man the one at the radio shack by my work was 9.99.

In fairness, I should report that my adapter was mono, not stereo. However I couldn't think of a good reason why that should matter. The OEM headset only goes to one ear regardless. And the price was certainly right.

could you even program a videogame to be binaural? since the in-game orientation is dynamic, but the sound recording specific to relative position... wouldn't that require a LOT of data samples?

Wouldn't matter.. Not cost effective & the majority use speakers anyways..Would be nice if games offered DH though..:)

Yes.. But I don't think the 555's are as bass heavy, & bloated as the Bose though.

So can you hear any bass in the 555's? I do very much like to hear a lowe end like in the bose that I tried but I cant imagine that being to healthy for your ears.

you can definitely hear bass, it's just not overstated its present though.... No doubt.

^ i bought my 3.5/2.5 adaptor at radioshack for like $2.50

i can't imagine ebay being that much cheaper ;)

actually the total was $2.49 to my door. it is stereo (for those that care) and with prices the way they are nowadays you would spend $5 in gas just driving to radio shack!

perhaps... however time is money. if i can buy locally i do b/c i can't stand waiting. i prefer instant gratification ;)

most that need it are ordering the zalman mic so they're waiting anyway. haven't seen a local store yet that carries the zm mic-1.

radio shack has a similar clip on mic (which i also bought) for like $5. it is "white," not black however. but still, i was out the door for $7.50 and playing online the very same day.

all i'm saying is that i got good/cheap stuff local with zero turnaround. others mileage may vary.

Hello everyone ... I own the trittons and I really like them.

They work great for what they are. I do agree that the 555 or 595 are better sounding though. But for a cheap all in one gaming headset the trittons are great.

Anyways the point of this post is .... I just got off the phone with the folks over at tritton and I asked if they were going to be releasing a wireless version of the A360's ... He couldn't give me much info other than they will defiantly be improved and they will be "WIRELESS" yep "WIRELESS" ...

That is some great news, or at least I think so. He said they plan on releasing them first part of next year, so that means right around the corner if everything goes as planned. :)

Wow I would consider that for convenience alone as long as it's fairly priced.

Good to hear that you like them, I should have mine shortly (thank you dogmanky) I am really looking forward to them and if they come out with some wireless ones that will be even better. I will just have to convince the wife to upgrade LOL. Dogmanky, that should make you happy too, didn't you say if they were wireless you would have kept them?

Awesome news regardless. Thanks for the update, will be nice to see what else they can improve on.


Hello everyone ... I own the trittons and I really like them.

They work great for what they are. I do agree that the 555 or 595 are better sounding though. But for a cheap all in one gaming headset the trittons are great.

Anyways the point of this post is .... I just got off the phone with the folks over at tritton and I asked if they were going to be releasing a wireless version of the A360's ... He couldn't give me much info other than they will defiantly be improved and they will be "WIRELESS" yep "WIRELESS" ...

That is some great news, or at least I think so. He said they plan on releasing them first part of next year, so that means right around the corner if everything goes as planned. :)

Wow I would consider that for convenience alone as long as it's fairly priced.


I am guessing they will charge $50 - $100 dollars more. If they prove themselves worthy, I will gladly pay $200 for them. I am sure they are going to fix the few nit picks people have with them now, and also improve the sound.

They would really be a convenience being wireless and being specifically made for gaming.

I just went through both RF and IR wireless headphones and now I have the HD595s. Wireless didn't work for my situation due to interference (RF) or signal dropout (IR).

Now I just need to make myself a custom 1/4" M/F cable to run to my seating position. I found this as a guide: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52044

What I would like is a single cable that would double as my subwoofer cable and headphone extention using a Y at each end. My subwoofer is right next to my chair and has a single composite cable run of about 35` along my baseboards, not sure about cramming another cable in with it.

Hello everyone ... I own the trittons and I really like them.

They work great for what they are. I do agree that the 555 or 595 are better sounding though. But for a cheap all in one gaming headset the trittons are great.

Anyways the point of this post is .... I just got off the phone with the folks over at tritton and I asked if they were going to be releasing a wireless version of the A360's ... He couldn't give me much info other than they will defiantly be improved and they will be "WIRELESS" yep "WIRELESS" ...

That is some great news, or at least I think so. He said they plan on releasing them first part of next year, so that means right around the corner if everything goes as planned. :)

wireless adds convience, but you also get a degrade in SQ.. Wired is best for optimal performance..

wireless adds convience, but you also get a degrade in SQ.. Wired is best for optimal performance..

That's true ... But the PIONEER sound pretty damn good and their wireless.

If they can get them to sound that good and include a good microphone, than that is the ultimate convenience.

That's true ... But the PIONEER sound pretty damn good and their wireless.

If they can get them to sound that good and include a good microphone, than that is the ultimate convenience.

True, but the Pioneers are in a whole other class then the Trittons..

True, but the Pioneers are in a whole other class then the Trittons..

True ... You are the the "TRITTON KILLER" lol. :eek:

I know Pioneer is a better set of headphones. I just think that most people like convenience.

Just my opinion.

I wouldn't classify KBI as the Tritton killer. He just points out the good and bad of each product. He is an audiophile that has an ear. I think most anyone that researches at least a LITTLE know that there are better cans out there then the Tritton's but cost a good bit more. KBI has said this himself and has said for what they are, they do a fine job (need to find the post but I know it was something like that)

Me personally, I just want something that will give me a nice sound with some directional idea of where shots are coming from and with xbox live functionality that I can just thrown on late at night. The Tritton's I HOPE will do that for me.

True ... You are the the "TRITTON KILLER" lol. :eek:

I know Pioneer is a better set of headphones. I just think that most people like convenience.

Just my opinion.

It was a Joke ... :)

True ... You are the the "TRITTON KILLER" lol. :eek:

I know Pioneer is a better set of headphones. I just think that most people like convenience.

Just my opinion.
Yes, convenience is a factor with some people.

I recommend them (Trittons) for a all in one solution, under a 100.00.. I know you are joking.. I'm not a fan of 5.1 headsets with multiple drivers, but there is a market for them, & they do SS pretty well..

I wouldn't classify KBI as the Tritton killer. He just points out the good and bad of each product. He is an audiophile that has an ear. I think most anyone that researches at least a LITTLE know that there are better cans out there then the Tritton's but cost a good bit more. KBI has said this himself and has said for what they are, they do a fine job (need to find the post but I know it was something like that)

Me personally, I just want something that will give me a nice sound with some directional idea of where shots are coming from and with xbox live functionality that I can just thrown on late at night. The Tritton's I HOPE will do that for me.
If you never heard of a stereo headphone in the price range of the Trittons, I'm sure the SQ will impress you.. Should give you a good idea where shots are coming from..

after 120 matches of Halo 3 online - using all manner of input signals/combinations - i have concluded that my brain just doesn't process SS well via headphones. more often than not - i find myself unsure of an enemy's incoming fire by ~60 degrees. it could be the game's audio processor... however i strongly suspect it is the lack of a discrete 5 channel system.

that is not to say that i dislike the overall experience - at all - however it is my hypothesis that a true 5.1 setup would in fact prove a discernible advantage during online combat. at least for me.

after 120 matches of Halo 3 online - using all manner of input signals/combinations - i have concluded that my brain just doesn't process SS well via headphones. more often than not - i find myself unsure of an enemy's incoming fire by ~60 degrees. it could be the game's audio processor... however i strongly suspect it is the lack of a discrete 5 channel system.

that is not to say that i dislike the overall experience - at all - however it is my hypothesis that a true 5.1 setup would in fact prove a discernible advantage during online combat. at least for me.

Thats why I see 5.1 headphones as more of a 'gimmick'.. They work, but not nearly as well as a 5.1 speaker set up.. & with 5.1 headphones with multiple drivers, you have them too close to each other, so it's more difficult to pin point gun fire etc..(but still better then some stereo headphones) & the rear speakers are inside the cups, not outside.. I still like the SS through headphones though..

Down to just two possibly dumb questions.

1) Does the JVC accept Front Rear and Center analog inputs, such as a pc Audio card might have?

I'm already leaning towards getting the 595s. If I have to buy a new sound card with Optical out to make this work, I will.

Lastly I need to know:

3) Is there is a way to get an digital optical signal to the JVC 5.1 unit, but still also 'split' the signal so it also goes to my home theater receiver?

That way I can switch back and forth, or The Wife can do so for her exercise programs and such. I've tried looking at pictures of the JCV, but I don't see a pass through?

HEY GUYS NICE THREAD!!!!! :D I'm new here. well i got a question for the owner of xbox 360. see i use rca to connect the audio from the VGA microsoft cable to my computer and i m lookin for headphone too :D well my question is do i need a good soundcard for my PC to get good audio on headphone? if i connect it to my HDTV instead would it sound good? or it doesnt matter where you connect your headphone? i read on page 3 or something one guy said he connected it to the xbox 360 how is that possible? thanks all !

hey guys
i just got the tritton AX360 a couple of days ago
i think that it`s a great headset except that the volume even set at maximum is not strong enough for me
can i add an another amplifier to the one that came with the headset ?
or do you guys think that my headset is defective ?
thanks a lot

hey guys
i just got the tritton AX360 a couple of days ago
i think that it`s a great headset except that the volume even set at maximum is not strong enough for me
can i add an another amplifier to the one that came with the headset ?
or do you guys think that my headset is defective ?
thanks a lot

If the Trittons support a line out you can use a portable amp to drive the Trittons..

hey guys
i just got the tritton AX360 a couple of days ago
i think that it`s a great headset except that the volume even set at maximum is not strong enough for me
can i add an another amplifier to the one that came with the headset ?
or do you guys think that my headset is defective ?
thanks a lot

Personally I do not understand how you could play with them at max as of right now. They would make my ears bleed. Maybe there is something wrong with them ??:confused:

1) Does the JVC accept Front Rear and Center analog inputs, such as a pc Audio card might have?

3) Is there is a way to get an digital optical signal to the JVC 5.1 unit, but still also 'split' the signal so it also goes to my home theater receiver?


1. No. The JVC has two input jacks. Mini-optical (female) & 3.5mm line-in (male). That's it.

2. Yes. Something like this should work:
http://www.amazon.com/CABLES-TO-GO-27027-Splitter/dp/B0002344GG

Gave it some more thought. Ordered a set of SE-DIR2000C headphones, since I'll need a set of cans for The Wife as well. This way I can plug in a pair of wired headphones and get a two for one. Kinda. Sorta. Whatever.

Gave it some more thought. Ordered a set of SE-DIR2000C headphones, since I'll need a set of cans for The Wife as well. This way I can plug in a pair of wired headphones and get a two for one. Kinda. Sorta. Whatever.Or buy the second pair of wireless headphones for the DIR2000.

god the zalman mic cable is long. didn't really check it out much b/c everyone here was suggesting it. i'm assuming it performs well but i'm gonna have to shorten it somehow. don't want to hack it,.. maybe just like a zip-tie type deal.

zip ties might look pretty gay though,.. any other thoughts/methods for shortening it?

cut, solder & heat shrink is probably your best bet.

so i still dont see any solution for the low voice chat volume while using a clip on mic....

this is ghetto but it's what i do with my headphones which are just music phones: i put the phones on, then i put my mic on my head over the phones at an angle, with the mic hanging down on the side of my mouth; actually works, just don't do it with people around ;)

i do that too, but how the hell do you hear your teammates when the game music is loud? it completely overpowers the voice chat......

i think at this level of volume, the slider in the voice chat speaker settings should be at a 3 or a 4, not a 10.

i really hope MS fixes this.

edit.

hmmmm, is the voice made for center channel? if so i think switching the audio to 2 channel while gaming with headphones will make the voice chat louder, i'll have to test this out.

anyone see the new wireless panasonic 5.1's? 2.4ghz :(

http://www.engadgethd.com/media/2007/10/10-15-07-5500.jpg

2 opticals in, 1 anny, and finally an optical out!

hey guys have you checked your "voice" volume in the personal settings? make sure it's set at ten. probably already have but just thought of it as i was reading the posts.

yeah. even with it set at 10 - voice is nearly inaudible during Halo 3's co-op campaign. the score is just to darn loud. however i've never had a problem during MP.

so i still dont see any solution for the low voice chat volume while using a clip on mic....

Well, I still haven't got around to doing this, but what I plan to do is take an old 360 headset(broken mic) and cut the cord removing the actual headset part. Then I should have just a controller plug with the original wire coming out. I will strip down the wire, exposing the two speaker wires and the two mic wires. From there, I will strip the wires of the Zalman clip on and hard wire to the mic wires on the controller plug.
Then I have an old pair of "earbuds" with just the right earbud (left side was broken and removed). I will strip the cord for this, exposing the two wires for the remaining earbud and and hardwire these to the speaker wires from the xbox controller adapter.
The end result should be a controller adapter that will plug into the xbox controller retaining mute and volume control. The other end will have the Zalman clip on mic that I can clip to my HD555 cord, and also a single earbud speaker that I can easily slide under the HD555 over ear speaker.

Again, I have not yet done this, but I plan to soon. The old earbuds are actually from the guy I sit with at work, and I am waiting for him to get new ones so I can have the broken ones. I will certaintly let you guys know how it turns out once I get around to this.

Or buy the second pair of wireless headphones for the DIR2000.

Eventually, perhaps, but right now I have a set off Sony MDR-V6 headphones. Not the audiophile's choice, but they're okay. So I'd basically be using the dir2000 as a kind of Dolby Headphone jack for them.

Cheaper than immediately buying another set of dir2000 wireless headphones.

Then I have an old pair of "earbuds"... ...and also a single earbud speaker that I can easily slide under the HD555 over ear speaker.
I assume you want to do this so voice in co-op (Halo3) might become audible. Has it been confirmed that original XBX 360 headsets work fine in co-op? If so, smart solution... If not, there would be no point in having a separate earbud for voice alone.

regular headsets are fine in any game.... it's setting the voice to "speaker" thats the problem, with headphones OR speakers, you just cant hear the voice, i've always wondered why that was, every time i unplug my headset, i can hear people talking over the speaker, but i cant make out what they are saying....

this is especially bad in halo 3, but also bad in most other games, sometimes i'm able to make out what people are saying, but more often than not, i'm not.

and yes my speaker volume is at 10 in the voice settings, but like i said, the current output at 10 should be labeled about a 4, you should be able to crank the voice as loud as you want.... definitely a design flaw.

and throwing an earbud in is going to negate any sort of advantage you could have with a good set of cans, or a 5.1 ss adapter.

and throwing an earbud in is going to negate any sort of advantage you could have with a good set of cans, or a 5.1 ss adapter.

Well, it will possibly have a small negative effect, but you have to think of what the alternative is. Either have no voice at all, which I think sucks and is not an option, or do what I have been doing so far. I currently have been wearing the Live headset and then putting the senn HD555's on OVER the headset. This actually works alright, I can hear both voice and game sounds pretty good, but is very uncomfotable especially for extended periods of time.

At work I wear earbuds all the time and as long as I don't have music blarring, I can hear whats going on around me just fine. It is not like the cheap earbuds I will use are noise cancelling or anything. I might not get 100% sound quality out of the ear with the bud in it compared to the other, but I think it should certaintly be a good comprimise compared to the other options of no chat, muted speakers, and wearing headset/headphones at the same time.

Well if you want to get technical you are blocking one ear when using the regular headset with standard speakers as well. I don't see how it would be much different using an earbud with headphones compared to the headset with a 5.1 speaker setup. You are covering an ear either way. The best thing in both cases would be to have voice through speakers, but that doesn't seem to be working as well as it should.

For those who have ordered the Japan JVC dolby headphone adapter. What kind of AC adapter does this thing need? Thanks

god the zalman mic cable is long. didn't really check it out much b/c everyone here was suggesting it. i'm assuming it performs well but i'm gonna have to shorten it somehow. don't want to hack it,.. maybe just like a zip-tie type deal.

zip ties might look pretty gay though,.. any other thoughts/methods for shortening it?

well i bit the bullet today and modified my RadioShack clip-on mic. like the zalman, the cord was long - so i cut the wire down to ~2 ft. i also replaced the stock 3.5mm jack with my original xbox communicator's 2.5mm jack. soldered, shrink wrapped & good to go.

the mic has been tested & works as well as ever.

For those of you modifying the mic and adapting it to the 360 2.5 connector: is it obvious which cables coming from the 360 connector are the mic ones?

regular headsets are fine in any game.... it's setting the voice to "speaker" thats the problem, with headphones OR speakers, you just cant hear the voice, i've always wondered why that was, every time i unplug my headset, i can hear people talking over the speaker, but i cant make out what they are saying....

this is especially bad in halo 3, but also bad in most other games, sometimes i'm able to make out what people are saying, but more often than not, i'm not.

and yes my speaker volume is at 10 in the voice settings, but like i said, the current output at 10 should be labeled about a 4, you should be able to crank the voice as loud as you want.... definitely a design flaw.

and throwing an earbud in is going to negate any sort of advantage you could have with a good set of cans, or a 5.1 ss adapter.

Could this also be an issue with halo's proximity chat? Or you just not taking that into full consideration. Is it only the proximity chat you are having issues with. Or is it team chat also?

I do however have to crank my own surround sound system just to hear people. When I have it set to speakers or both. But I do hear people to loud sometimes, probably cause there 2 feet away!

proximity chat doesnt flucuate volume depending on how far away they are, at least i dont think it does, from what i understand it just chooses who can hear you, not how loud.

any type of chat does this for me, when the game score kicks on (most notably in halo 3 coop) it completely covers the voice chat, and i cant hear my teammates.

i think this would be an easy fix for MS if they wanted to fix it. like i said before, when voice is set to "10" it should be VERY loud. right now "10" feels like 3 or 4, and i just with they would/could adjust that.

High everyone, i'm just asking for help on what are the best settings for the ax360 headphones? From the default settings what are the best way I would tune the settings? This includes time delay and all the seperate channel volumes. Help would be apreciated. Thanks.

High everyone, i'm just asking for help on what are the best settings for the ax360 headphones? From the default settings what are the best way I would tune the settings? This includes time delay and all the seperate channel volumes. Help would be apreciated. Thanks.

Trial & error. Every owner has their own preference for what sounds the 'best'..