We could then buy all the SW in our chosen format. Sure its a pipe dream and a fantasy that will not happen for a long time, but watch who agrees and who disagrees.

If all the studios went neutral what would happen? Would things be different?

We could then buy all the SW in our chosen format. Sure its a pipe dream and a fantasy that will not happen for a long time, but watch who agrees and who disagrees.

If all the studios went neutral what would happen? Would things be different?

HD DVD would slaughter BD if that happened and the BDA knows it hence all their buyouts. HD DVD commands 33% of the market with deep disadvantages. Make the playing field level and BD is done.

Strangely that could be the worst thing that could happen for us consumers, we need the like of Toshiba and Sony paying to get content released. Maybe next year when there are enough of us buying films.

Strangely that could be the worst thing that could happen for us consumers, we need the like of Toshiba and Sony paying to get content released. Maybe next year when there are enough of us buying films.

It would drive HW prices down because of competition. Both Sony and Toshiba might then pay jointly to have movies released.

If you thought the Paramount/Dreamworks announcement caused an uproar with the Blu Ray crowd, you can imagine what this would do.

Blu Ray would suddenly be relegated to a specialty game system format, such as UMD.

Blu Ray standalone and PS3 sales would plummet, returns would go thru the roof. Consumers would stampede over to HD DVD players as this would signal instantly that 'the format war is over' and the players selling at half the price and with twice the features would obviously be tagged as the winner.

Another neutral studio going HD DVD or a Blu Ray studio going neutral could be all that is needed to start that happening...

Wouldn't it be something if all studios went neutral?

Make it so and let the consumer decide the format war!

If that did happen, it'd give HD-DVD a great edge and I'd go buy a HD-DVD player.

Since I am pretty damn sure it won't happen, though, I'll stick with BD for now.

I could live with that - regardless of which way it went.

I agree, let them all be neutral, and let us decide. But why would they want that?

Until this happens (complete neutrality) consumers cant truly decide the format war.

So far it has been retailers and studios making the biggest impact. To this very date, neither format has had equal footing with consumers.

*edit: I'll probably get flamed, but I dont think the consumer should make the choice this time around. The formats are capable of equal pq and aq. I think the studios/movie makers/etc are in the correct position to decide this. Not the average consumer. The person who is best able to distinguish differentiation should be the decision maker.

I'd agree. Let the consumer decide.

If the studios really wanted HDM to succeed they would all go neutral, yes you too Sony, then allow customers to swap for a disc of the other version if their format of choice throws in the towel. Which is doubtful because it really wouldn't matter who's format sells more, all consumers would have access to all content.

What am I thinking? That would be way to consumer friendly!

We could then buy all the SW in our chosen format. Sure its a pipe dream and a fantasy that will not happen for a long time, but watch who agrees and who disagrees.

If all the studios went neutral what would happen? Would things be different?

Cool with me. I just want HD DVD, I don't care if the competitor survives or not.

all neutral would be great...its a pipe dream but still a dream

My order of preference for the end result of this war since I have already bought in for BR is:
All studios BR exclusive
All studios neutral
All studios HD exclusive
All studios BR exclusive or neutral / All studios HD DVD exclusive or neutral (Even though one format would have everything, I'd rather see one and only one get all releases or both get all releases, than see one or the other hang on for an extended period of time.

That said, I think that if all studio's went neutral today both formats would succeed, as long as neutral means truly neutral.

If all studios were neutral, and releasing all titles on both, at the same price Bluray would die.

If media is the same, it boils down to player cost, and HD-DVD owns that.

If all studios were neutral, and releasing all titles on both, at the same price Bluray would die.

If media is the same, it boils down to player cost, and HD-DVD owns that.

riiiite!!:rolleyes:

that's a very bold statement.

riiiite!!:rolleyes:

that's a very bold statement.

Actually he is right. That's why HD DVD commands 33% of the market with only 1 exclusive studio, no endcaps, and no PS3.

That would be HD heaven...

Actually he is right. That's why HD DVD commands 33% of the market with only 1 exclusive studio, no endcaps, and no PS3.

we can discuss all day long about #'s and adoption rates but there's no actual fact that hddvd will prevail over bd. you got two camps with millions of dollars at stake and avid fans spinning things left and right and you absolutely believe what they say? oh well, don't be so naive. folks want to believe what they want to hear to a point that they think they are on a PR campaign for the company. hahah..

we can discuss all day long about #'s and adoption rates but there's no actual fact that hddvd will prevail over bd. you got two camps with millions of dollars at stake and avid fans spinning things left and right and you absolutely believe what they say? oh well, don't be so naive. folks want to believe what they want to hear to a point that they think they are on a PR campaign for the company. hahah..

There is no actual fact Blu-ray would either. HOWEVER, the choice for consumers would be very very easy:

1) Movies on a $199-$299 player.

2) Movies on a $499-$799 player.

This is the fundamental issue that Blu-ray is more than afraid of. That is why they are holding on so tightly to Fox and Disney. If Disney went neutral, that would be devastating to them. Moreso than Fox.

Oh and Chris, now you can say 2 exclusive studios. :)

BR would go the way of UMD, and eventually, the Dodo.

HD DVD would slaughter BD if that happened and the BDA knows it hence all their buyouts. HD DVD commands 33% of the market with deep disadvantages. Make the playing field level and BD is done.

Yeah, much like HD DVD was supposed to slaughter blu-ray with blu-ray having deep disadvtantages in player prices, lol:p

Consumers have been choosing blu-ray over HD DVD by quite a significant margin, it would be great to have Universal and Paramount as well but the politics aren't about what the consumers want.

Awesome! Another useless thread to promote BD bashing!

Yeah, much like HD DVD was supposed to slaughter blu-ray with blu-ray having deep disadvtantages in player prices, lol:p

Consumers have been choosing blu-ray over HD DVD by quite a significant margin, it would be great to have Universal and Paramount as well but the politics aren't about what the consumers want.


You missed the point of the OP. Which is ok, most BDA folk are in the delusion state of things today. All things being equal the consumers would choose HD DVD. Since right now people were FORCED to buy Blu-ray to get a movie, that's what you see. And as you can see, people aren't doing it en-masse. And that equasion of course has changed now too. I've been waiting for the throng of "Paramount and Dreamwork's movies suxxored anyway" from the army soldiers.

Sorry, but you put all studios neutral, and HD DVD destroys Blu-ray. That's just the way it is, and the BDA knows that.

First, Its not just about stand alone players.

Second, anyone cheap enough to consider a HDM player based solely on price is also going to be to cheap to buy an expensive HD TV. Ever think about that ?

And lastly, if this was just about stand alone players, do you really think the other side would just roll over, and say, "oh well our players are $200 more, i guess we lose"... of course not, they will be in there slashing prices down to at or below their competitiors price, even if they had to take a loss to do it.

Jesh, not a lot of deep thinking going on, is there?

You missed the point of the OP. Which is ok, most BDA folk are in the delusion state of things today. All things being equal the consumers would choose HD DVD. Since right now people were FORCED to buy Blu-ray to get a movie, that's what you see. And as you can see, people aren't doing it en-masse. And that equasion of course has changed now too. I've been waiting for the throng of "Paramount and Dreamwork's movies suxxored anyway" from the army soldiers.

Sorry, but you put all studios neutral, and HD DVD destroys Blu-ray. That's just the way it is, and the BDA knows that.

no, it would be the other way around. if universal went neutral, bd would of bashed ms upside the head. but instead, ms contracted both universal and now paramount to prolong this war. i know they paid up the ass and removed all royalties for disc authoring. so yes, there is no proof on either side who would of could of won. there's definitely a shift. but someone made a comment that hddvd WILL win if all studios are neutral because hardware is cheap? oh come on! bold statement because i doubt it. understand that there are ALOT more ps3 users out there that buy movies and play games compared to standalone hddvd player. we will never know.

no, it would be the other way around. if universal went neutral, bd would of bashed ms upside the head. but instead, ms contracted both universal and now paramount to prolong this war. i know they paid up the ass and removed all royalties for disc authoring. so yes, there is no proof on either side who would of could of won. there's definitely a shift. but someone made a comment that hddvd WILL win if all studios are neutral because hardware is cheap? oh come on! bold statement because i doubt it. understand that there are ALOT more ps3 users out there that buy movies and play games compared to standalone hddvd player. we will never know.

Seriously, are you guys running with the whole "Microsoft paid off Paramount" thing? Is this the story you guys are going to stick with?

And if you don't think cheap hardware would sell more than expensive hardware to the masses, then I think you really don't understand the buying habits of the community at large. Sorry, but I'll say it one more time: People will buy a $200 HD DVD player for a Disney movie LONG before they buy a $500 player for a Disney movie.

You can spin and try to add in the PS3 and all that until the cows come home. But that doesn't change that fact. HD DVD Standalones would hit mass purchase if all studios were neutral and provided the same content for it.

That, is reality.

Look, I have both and prefer HD-DVD but I really wouldn't lose any sleep if HD went away and BD prevailed. I own no stock in any of the BDA companies and do not work for any of them. Unless you do, why get all hot and bothered over this stuff? Really guys.

That, is reality.

That, is nonsense.

I do love the idle speculation on this board. That said, it's unfortunate that Paramount sold out their largest HDM base...just when their encodes were starting to reveal some enlightenment.

Seriously, are you guys running with the whole "Microsoft paid off Paramount" thing? Is this the story you guys are going to stick with?

And if you don't think cheap hardware would sell more than expensive hardware to the masses, then I think you really don't understand the buying habits of the community at large. Sorry, but I'll say it one more time: People will buy a $200 HD DVD player for a Disney movie LONG before they buy a $500 player for a Disney movie.

You can spin and try to add in the PS3 and all that until the cows come home. But that doesn't change that fact. HD DVD Standalones would hit mass purchase if all studios were neutral and provided the same content for it.

That, is reality.
mass purchase by whom? crt users? 480i/480p? what do you think your average hdtv that outputs 1080p visually costs? target audience is not your average consumer considering both hddvd and bd is designed to output 1080p. consumers that are willing to pay $2-3k for hd set are not going to gripe about a player that costs $100-300 difference. heck, they are getting raped by paying $100 for a hdmi cable. we can argue price, we can argue sales figures, we can argue the good and bad. but we can both agree that mass marketing of both hdm is not good for the consumer. we will all be fanatics of a niche product where sddvd is the only universal product. price over quantity or price over quallity? we all pay for luxuries and this is one of the items that people don't mind paying a little extra for.

mass purchase by whom? crt users? 480i/480p? what do you think your average hdtv that outputs 1080p visually costs? target audience is not your average consumer considering both hddvd and bd is designed to output 1080p. consumers that are willing to pay $2-3k for hd set are not going to gripe about a player that costs $100-300 difference. heck, they are getting raped by paying $100 for a hdmi cable. we can argue price, we can argue sales figures, we can argue the good and bad. but we can both agree that mass marketing of both hdm is not good for the consumer. we will all be fanatics of a niche product where sddvd is the only universal product. price over quantity or price over quallity? we all pay for luxuries and this is one of the items that people don't mind paying a little extra for.

The flaw in your arguement is that you are still taking this on from the HT enthousiast point of view.

I hate to break it to you, but you can get a 1080i TV for well under 2k. I believe at places like Walmart you can even find them for around 1k. And if you want 720p, which is still highly popular, you can get one for even less.

So to that family that just spent up to 1K on their TV, go ahead and try to sell them a movie player that costs from half to most of what they paid for the TV over a player that costs half the price of the BD one. Good luck with that.


And hey Javayoda. Way to go all the way off topic. But here is a hypothetical. What if (and I say if) Paramount's decision brings HD DVD back par with BD, or surpasses again? After all, its all about content, right? You don't entertain for a second that Paramount might think the lower cost of HD DVD hardware will have an effect mass adoption? The guy in my sig seems to think so. But please, keep with the talking points today. I see its been a hard day for the BD camp.

If all studios were neutral, and releasing all titles on both, at the same price Bluray would die.

If media is the same, it boils down to player cost, and HD-DVD owns that.

I agree. But I'd add that Bluray would die within months. Nobody is going to pay twice as much for a Bluray player when they can get an HD DVD player for half the price and get the same end product.

The flaw in your arguement is that you are still taking this on from the HT enthousiast point of view.

I hate to break it to you, but you can get a 1080i TV for well under 2k. I believe at places like Walmart you can even find them for around 1k. And if you want 720p, which is still highly popular, you can get one for even less.

So to that family that just spent up to 1K on their TV, go ahead and try to sell them a movie player that costs from half to most of what they paid for the TV over a player that costs half the price of the BD one. Good luck with that.


And hey Javayoda. Way to go all the way off topic. But here is a hypothetical. What if (and I say if) Paramount's decision brings HD DVD back par with BD, or surpasses again? After all, its all about content, right? You don't entertain for a second that Paramount might think the lower cost of HD DVD hardware will have an effect mass adoption? The guy in my sig seems to think so. But please, keep with the talking points today. I see its been a hard day for the BD camp.

i keep saying, it makes no sense in buying hddvd or bd if your display does not output what it's designed for. you are missing the whole picture, literally. why does an xbox hddvd add-on and toshiba a2 only outputs half its specs at $200 but the big brother of all hddvd does 100% specs but is 3 times as much? we keep going around in circles with the same conclusion. consumers need to understand that a $200 player is not the same player that you buy for $799. so an hddvd or bd won't reach it's full spec with a lower price player.

let me flip this around. the sony bd300 player is not the same player as a ps3 compared to a panasonic/samsung/denon and so on. it's like putting street tires on a high performance car that can only go 75mph. you'll still get there but it's a waste.

i keep saying, it makes no sense in buying hddvd or bd if your display does not output what it's designed for. you are missing the whole picture, literally. why does an xbox hddvd add-on and toshiba a2 only outputs half its specs at $200 but the big brother of all hddvd does 100% specs but is 3 times as much? we keep going around in circles with the same conclusion. consumers need to understand that a $200 player is not the same player that you buy for $799. so an hddvd or bd won't reach it's full spec with a lower price player.

Guess what, you are STILL talking about an enthousiast level of consumer. You are not talking about the mass-market "Joe Walmart". The guy buying an HDTV at Walmart (which seems to be growing because they are very much ramping up their HD section), doesn't care about anything other than price and the fact that the set will do 720p/1080i. By the way for those keeping score, those are still valid accepted HDTV resolutions.

That guy doesn't care if the TV he buys is only 1080i. I doubt he'll care if it's 720p. And he doesn't care if the Xbox Add-on (which BTW will output 1080p with HDMI, which now happens to be on all Xbox 360's), matches the resolution of the TV; although it will.

That guy has NO intention of spending $799 because he doesn't care about specs. He cares that he is going to be able to take that $200 player home, hook it up to his 1080i TV, put in Transformers or Shrek 3 for the kids, and watch a movie in 1080i HD and Dolby Digital or whatever his receiver has. The player will match his TV just fine.


let me flip this around. the sony bd300 player is not the same player as a ps3 compared to a panasonic/samsung/denon and so on. it's like putting street tires on a high performance car that can only go 75mph. you'll still get there but it's a waste.

That's fine if you're a racing enthousist. But the normal person on the street isn't buying high performance tires. They're buying the cheaper tires that have the same effect for them.

This continues to be the point that even the BDA doesn't understand. Price will decide this. Like it or not, Paramount sees the lower priced HD DVD players as the vehicle to get their movies into more homes. You guys can yell payoff all you want. It's in black and white print exactly what Paramount's reason is.

And hey Javayoda. Way to go all the way off topic. But here is a hypothetical. What if (and I say if) Paramount's decision brings HD DVD back par with BD, or surpasses again? After all, its all about content, right? You don't entertain for a second that Paramount might think the lower cost of HD DVD hardware will have an effect mass adoption? The guy in my sig seems to think so. But please, keep with the talking points today. I see its been a hard day for the BD camp.

Not a hard day for me. This is a passing amusement. That said, Blu-Ray will win this battle and not because it has the superior technology. They STILL has the content advantage regardless of Paramount selling out the majority of its hi-def customer base for a quick buck.

As far as cost, the price differences are continuing to plummet and there is the very real possibility of Chinese Blu-Ray players. (It's strange to see so many so-called AV enthusiasts cheering for crappy hardware and inferior specs but whatever).

I just don't get where members think EVERYBODY here and EVERYBODY out there is going to spend $2-$3k on a tv and $500+ on a player, and another $1000+ on media.

$500 for my 37" 1080i lcd, $200 for my HD DVD player, $100+ for the discs I own, $50+ more for rentals.

That is your average user.

Why in the world would studios want to support two niche HD formats? Why would retailers want to distribute both? Why would consumers want to deal with the complexity? It is only a matter of time before Warner goes one way or the other. It just does not make any sense for anybody to support both.

Of course, this means that dual format player pricing better get attractive quickly.

michael, your j6p <--- i hate this term, is everyday consumers like you and i. how are we any different? we chose to buy in ht gear at a certain point and hang around forums to get more info. and for us to take advantage of high definition and it's offerings, we all want the proper gear to do the job. you don't think that once j6p decides to buy an hddvd/bd that they soon realize that... hey, my flippin hardware doesn't accept 1080p but only 720p/1080i or truehd/lossless or <insert technology>. imagine the look on their face. you're right though, a good percentage will probably won't give it much thought but why even buy an hdtv? sddvd with upconvert will suit most folks fine. once consumers start to realize that their equipment is inferior with the lower cost player. they'll feel the need to upgrade and that's where all the confusion will start. as you can see, we get questions like these all day long on the forums from folks looking for information. j6p is among us. they're right in front of you. they maybe silent but they are reading these threads. as an enthusiast, you need to educate those. sometimes price is not the driving factor for adoption. value is.

I say let all the studios pick a side and stick with it.

What did everyone say 3 days ago?

Why wans't this thread started then?

What did everyone say 3 days ago?

Why wans't this thread started then?
i missed something. what was 3 days ago?

As far as cost, the price differences are continuing to plummet and there is the very real possibility of Chinese Blu-Ray players. (It's strange to see so many so-called AV enthusiasts cheering for crappy hardware and inferior specs but whatever).Funny that you deride some mythical Chinese BD players for inferior specs and crappy hardware (without ever seeing one) and at the same time cheer for them as a blu-ray defense against the HD DVD cost advantage. A dichotomy...:confused:

I just don't get where members think EVERYBODY here and EVERYBODY out there is going to spend $2-$3k on a tv and $500+ on a player, and another $1000+ on media.

$500 for my 37" 1080i lcd, $200 for my HD DVD player, $100+ for the discs I own, $50+ more for rentals.

That is your average user.
Ding....ding....ding - we have a winner.

Sad example - recently had about 15 - 20 SDTV owners @ my house. Every single one of them were awed by the "POS" 720p 42" plasma using 1080i inputs.

(a bit of sarcasm in case you didn't notice)

Funny that you deride some mythical Chinese BD players for inferior specs and crappy hardware (without ever seeing one) and at the same time cheer for them as a blu-ray defense against the HD DVD cost advantage. A dichotomy...:confused:
When you're focused on spin that what you have to do - it's good for one & bad for the other.

If all studios went neutral, HD DVD would run away with it in a second. ZERO difference in picture and audio quality so why would any idiot buy a BD player after that?

If all studios went neutral, HD DVD would run away with it in a second. ZERO difference in picture and audio quality so why would any idiot buy a BD player after that?
That's what scares the doo-doo out of the BD/PS3 crowd - it would only be a gaming console (though I can't quite see what that's bad :confused: )

Until this happens (complete neutrality) consumers cant truly decide the format war.

Consumers never "truly" decide anything. We only choose from the choices the producer decide to give us.

Not a hard day for me. This is a passing amusement. That said, Blu-Ray will win this battle and not because it has the superior technology. They STILL has the content advantage regardless of Paramount selling out the majority of its hi-def customer base for a quick buck.

As far as cost, the price differences are continuing to plummet and there is the very real possibility of Chinese Blu-Ray players. (It's strange to see so many so-called AV enthusiasts cheering for crappy hardware and inferior specs but whatever).


I still detect bitterness in your voice. I understand. But what is funny is that they no longer STILL have as big a content advantage, unless you're next defense will be to downplay the Paramount/Dreamworks library against Disney and Fox. I've been waiting for that arguement.

And as far as cost, you let me know when there is a $299-$399 Blu-ray player, and then we'll talk about price differences plummeting. HD DVD will be the first to reach mass-market pricing. Paramount knows this (despite you and your fellow soldier's constant cries of payoffs). Universal still knows this. Eventually, perhaps other studios will know this.

I will say it again. Price will beat content. It always does. And that is why Sony and the BDA would fight to the last dollar to see Fox and Disney go neutral. The minute either of them move (which we know Fox won't), the game is over. Everyone but a select few of you know and understand this.

Why in the world would studios want to support two niche HD formats? Why would retailers want to distribute both? Why would consumers want to deal with the complexity?

Ask WB. They don't seem to mind as they laugh all the way to the bank with two revenue streams instead of just one.

They STILL has the content advantage regardless of Paramount selling out the majority of its hi-def customer base for a quick buck.



Only BR fans thought they had a content advantage. Most people thought it was pretty even before, even without all the great HD DVD imports like Harry Potter etc.

If all studios were neutral, and releasing all titles on both, at the same price Bluray would die.

If media is the same, it boils down to player cost, and HD-DVD owns that.

What would happen (obviously) is that companies supporting BR only would level their pricing ASAP with HD-DVD. When that happens, it will be like today with SD in that the battle is among hardware providers. You know, the way it should be :)

Studios going neutral?

There will be mass layoffs at Sony.

HD DVD will win this no question. You know it. I know it.

They know it.

Studios going neutral?

There will be mass layoffs at Sony.

HD DVD will win this no question. You know it. I know it.

They know it.


Amen.

There's a reason the BD camp did what people are now bashing the HD DVD camp for...you know, greasing the studios to use JUST their format. Gee, why could that be?

I am amazed. I thought we would see some PS3 or bitrate arguments about how Blu-Ray would win if all the studios went neutral. Come on guys where are you?

Why in the world would studios want to support two niche HD formats? Why would retailers want to distribute both? Why would consumers want to deal with the complexity? It is only a matter of time before Warner goes one way or the other. It just does not make any sense for anybody to support both.

It is not up to the studios to decide the fate of CE companies.

For example, the Disney/BV movie Deja Vu, can be bought on the following formats:

DVD
Blu-Ray
iTunes
Amazon Unbox
Xbox Live download service

You think adding HD DVD really makes it that complex? Keep in mind not long ago movies were still being released regularly on VHS.

I still detect bitterness in your voice. I understand.despite you and your fellow soldier's constant cries of payoffs)Everyone but a select few of you know and understand this.
Please stop playing armchair psychologist. This is ridiculous... Time to grow up!! There are no soldiers and this is no war!

Why didn't your employer let us decide then about Paramount?

I guess for the same reason the Blu camp wouldn't let us decide on Disney and Fox.

Please stop playing armchair psychologist. This is ridiculous... Time to grow up!! There are no soldiers and this is no war!

ROFL. Dude, where have YOU been?

I'm just going to let you think about what you just said. Because I don't think you gave that much go before typing it. :confused:

ROFL. Dude, where have YOU been?

I'm just going to let you think about what you just said. Because I don't think you gave that much go before typing it. :confused:

I know exactly what I said, "dude."

I know exactly what I said, "dude."

And if you think otherwise, you are mistaken, or have been hiding under a rock for a very long time, or just have your head in the sand......dude.

And who are you anyway?

And who are you anyway?

Does it matter? I'm an AVS Forum member :confused:

The point stands that this is not a war and there are no soldiers. Your ridiculous, MTV-esque dramatic hyperbole is disrespectful and sad. It is also a perfect example of the bottomless void of garbage these forums have become.

Does it matter? I'm an AVS Forum member :confused:

The point stands that this is not a war and there are no soldiers. Your ridiculous, MTV-esque dramatic hyperbole is disrespectful and sad. It is also a perfect example of the bottomless void of garbage these forums have become.

Dude. I didn't mean to imply I cared who you were.


And your point is still wrong, regardless.

Dude. I didn't mean to imply I cared who you were.

And your point is still wrong, regardless.
It's a shame that you insist on remaining part of the problem.

It's a shame that you insist on remaining part of the problem.


Actually I'm not. I'm buying HD DVD movies and contributing to the side in which I own a player on. If by chance the BDA gets their heads out of their asses and brings an affordable player to the market, I'll get that as well.

What are you doing other than taking pot shots at people posting on the forum? Yeah, I saw I'm not the only one you're attacking.

Actually I'm not. I'm buying HD DVD movies and contributing to the side in which I own a player on. If by chance the BDA gets their heads out of their asses and brings an affordable player to the market, I'll get that as well.

What are you doing other than taking pot shots at people posting on the forum? Yeah, I saw I'm not the only one you're attacking.
Me? I pop in here every once in a while to see what the zealots are doing. Business as usual.

I rarely respond. When I do, it's because of the lunacy of posts such as "This is a war....we are soldiers, etc. etc." You're not a soldier, you're a consumer. This isn't a war, it's big business. The sooner you and your ilk get this through your heads, the quicker a return to normalcy for the previously respectable AVS Forum.

This laughably sad state should have become apparent when the HDTV moderator decided to call it quits! How pathetic is that?! :eek:

It's unfortunate, and mark was a good guy.

So then the question becomes, if you are so repulsed then why are you here? I'm sure there are plenty of over forums for you. If you don't like it, don't post. It's as simple as that really.

Other than that, we're done here. Keep your petty personal attacks to yourself next time. Savvy?

Me? I pop in here every once in a while to see what the zealots are doing. Business as usual.

I rarely respond. When I do, it's because of the lunacy of posts such as "This is a war....we are soldiers, etc. etc." You're not a soldier, you're a consumer. This isn't a war, it's big business. The sooner you and your ilk get this through your heads, the quicker a return to normalcy for the previously respectable AVS Forum.

This laughably sad state should have become apparent when the HDTV moderator decided to call it quits! How pathetic is that?! :eek:

You appear to be part of the problem. Let's get back to the topic.
If the studios went neutral, no one would afraid to jump in.

Price is king in an even playing field, just look at where Vizio is sitting right now on the LCD side of the high def spectrum. I doubt the people buying them are going "oh no! it doesn't have a 100,000/1 contrast ratio!". :rolleyes:

I've been saying that all studios should go neutral. I have no allusions that Sony would go neutral at this point, but Fox, Disney and *part* of MGM can.

So then the question becomes, if you are so repulsed then why are you here? I'm sure there are plenty of over forums for you. If you don't like it, don't post. It's as simple as that really.Hence my only popping in here on occasion. It used to be a place where enthusiasts could get together and talk HD media. It has since degraded to a state of constant bickering by "soldiers" (lol) such as yourself

Other than that, we're done here. Keep your petty personal attacks to yourself next time. Savvy?
It wasn't a personal attack, but a condemnation of everybody who acts as such; as if this is some epic conflict to be fought and won. I hope it calms down eventually, Capt. Jack.

You appear to be part of the problem. Let's get back to the topic.

:rolleyes:

Studios going neutral?

There will be mass layoffs at Sony.

HD DVD will win this no question. You know it. I know it.

They know it.

Oh I know, it makes no sense. What makes sense (and has a model to work off of) is the CD market. Nobody cares which label a talent signs with; we just go out and buy whichever CD player suits our fancy. Should be the same with this.

In fact, it is this way with SD DVD.

I believe that neutral studios (such as Warner) should go exclusive to either BR or HD-DVD. I am not going to predict the future, only what has already happened, namely that we have gotten:

- lower hardware prices faster
- higher quality transfers (without HD-DVD, we may be getting the original BR Fifth Element quality)
- less anti-consumer practises such as regional coding, etc.

In other words, HD-DVD has kept BR more honest, and vice reversa. I want this format war to continue for a long time.