I bought a PS3 just before, and not knowing about the Paramount news. The buzz word on the street to all my "J6P" friends is BLU-RAY for new HD discs. That said, I don't think the average consumer cares about anything else but the buzzword on the street...that is marketing 101 and Blu-ray has it.

Blu Ray Had A Set Back>>>but The Game Is Young.

I bought a PS3 just before, and not knowing about the Paramount news. The buzz on the street to all my "J6P" friends is BLU-RAY for new HD discs. That said, I don't think the average consumer cares about anything else but the buzzword on the street...that is marketing 101 and Blu-ray has it.

"J6P" as you call them arent as dumb as you think. buzzwords doesnt mean everything...and I dont agree BD has a strong buzzword. When it comes time for "J6P" to make a choice they will choose the one which costs less and has better movies. HD DVD offers both.

Blu Ray Had A Set Back>>>but The Game Is Young.

even though i posted a different response to the OP...you are right. Nothing is done until its done, and there is a long road ahead still.

The BDA most certainly suffered a massive blow this week but dont sit there and sulk cause I would bet the farm that Sony is cooking up something as we speak..

Man, thread titles are deceiving. I thought this thread would at least contain some interesting insight other than "buzz" between the OP's friends.

I bought a PS3 just before, and not knowing about the Paramount news. The buzz word on the street to all my "J6P" friends is BLU-RAY for new HD discs. That said, I don't think the average consumer cares about anything else but the buzzword on the street...that is marketing 101 and Blu-ray has it.

The buzzword is, no Paramont movies for Bluray.

...but The Game Is Young.Exactly what HD was claiming for years now... From early Palladin times...
But BD was predicting it to be over by noon,... tomorrow the latest.

It's so nice to hear some sober voices for a change.

Diogen.

I predict you are as right as "Alan Parsons" was at CES 2007.

Google "Alan Parsons" and see what you find ...

I hope Sony will do something rash like lower the price of the cheapest standalone player to $99. I wouldn't really care about profile 1.0/1.1/2.0 at that point.

"J6P" as you call them arent as dumb as you think. buzzwords doesnt mean everything...and I dont agree BD has a strong buzzword. When it comes time for "J6P" to make a choice they will choose the one which costs less and has better movies. HD DVD offers both.

The PS3 is pretty cheap these days for what you get compared to a standalone HD-DVD player. Why do you think HD-DVD has better titles? I love Spielberg films:cool:

"J6P" as you call them arent as dumb as you think. buzzwords doesnt mean everything...and I dont agree BD has a strong buzzword. When it comes time for "J6P" to make a choice they will choose the one which costs less and has better movies. HD DVD offers both.

I agree that HD DVD HW has the price advantage but SW is priced the same on both formats.
Also, the "better movies" is subjective.

As someone here noted, they buy an HD DVD player and go to the rental store and their kid wants Ratatouille but then the parents have to explain they can only rent the ones in the red cases.

The same can be said for BD if someone wants to watch the Bourne series, they can't.

Those are just an example of roadblocks that probably stop even the common consumer from buying even a cheap player because they have to choose which library of movies they prefer but they can't have the entire library of movies available to them like DVD.

There's no guarantee a format will win and all movies will eventually be released on one single format.

I hope for everyones case one of two things happen.

1. The format war is over within the next year.
2. A DualFormat player with ALL features/specs for HD-DVD and Blu-ray become afordable for J6P.

I predict you are as right as Bill Gates saying PCs will never need more than 640K RAM.

Seriously though, I respect your investment. It is not too late to send your PS3 back I hope.

Man, thread titles are deceiving. I thought this thread would at least contain some interesting insight other than "buzz" between the OP's friends.

Don't reply to the thread if you have nothing to contribute to it.

I hope Sony will do something rash like lower the price of the cheapest standalone player to $99. I wouldn't really care about profile 1.0/1.1/2.0 at that point.
I think that may help but both HD-DVD and BD need to drop their disk prices down to the same level as DVD's so the consumer can see that they can get better PQ disks for the same price if they buy the HW.

Seeing a HiDef DVD disk cost $19-35 is sticker shock when the same SD DVD title is priced at $15-20

1. The format war is over within the next year.



I hope it will last forever. Seriously.


2. A DualFormat player with ALL features/specs for HD-DVD and Blu-ray become afordable for J6P.

And that would be..what? $200?

Don't reply to the thread if you have nothing to contribute to it.

Right, because your thread brought so much to the table to begin with. The buzz around your "friends" buying BD holds as much weight as me saying all the employees around the watercooler at my job are buying HD DVD. It's subject is pointless.

The PS3 is pretty cheap these days for what you get compared to a standalone HD-DVD player. Why do you think HD-DVD has better titles? I love Spielberg films:cool:

Only if you give a damn about PS [2/3] gaming.

And quite frankly Scarlet I don't give a damn.

Right, because your thread brought so much to the table to begin with. The buzz around your "friends" buying BD holds as much weight as me saying all the employees around the watercooler at my job are buying HD DVD. It's subject is pointless.

Obviously you missed the message implied about Blu-ray's marketing advantage by being known to more average consumers.

You can stop posting here now.

PS3 alone kills all hddvd sells, every week in every country.

they buy an HD DVD player and go to the rental store and their kid wants Ratatouille but then the parents have to explain they can only rent the ones in the red cases

Ratatouille will be readily available on DVD, and I doubt your kid would really know or care about the difference between standard and high definition.

I'll say again that having to watch some percentage of my movies in 480p instead of 1080p for a while longer is just not a big deal. (Of course, I tend to buy far fewer DVDs than I did before, becaus eI am enjoying collecting HD DVDs so much.)

The PS3 is pretty cheap these days for what you get compared to a standalone HD-DVD player. Why do you think HD-DVD has better titles? I love Spielberg films:cool:
Not nearly cheap enough, especially for the avg consumer who doesn't give a rats behind about gaming.

Oops!

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The PS3 is pretty cheap these days for what you get compared to a standalone HD-DVD player. Why do you think HD-DVD has better titles? I love Spielberg films:cool:
I like some of them, too. Even if I had only a HD DVD player, I wouldn't be worried, as Spielberg's movies are not exclusive to either HD format.

PS3 alone kills all hddvd sells, every week in every country.

How many times do they need to ban you and you keep coming back?

Its good to know that the OP's buddies are firmly behind Blu-ray.

:rolleyes:

The BD mantra 3 days ago . . . .

"Content is King!"

"BD has won the war"

"Another nail in HD DVD's coffin"

"HD DVD will be dead in a matter of months!"

3 days later . . . .

"BD will survive!"

LMAO!

Not nearly cheap enough, especially for the avg consumer who doesn't give a rats behind about gaming.

Price drop on Blu players will come soon and both hardware will be on equal playing field.
In my opinion, when the average consumer sees both players side by side at equal price points there will be more Blu palyers to choose from compared to 1 or 2 different HD-DVD players. JMO.

I bought the PS3 not for gaming, but hey, its a nice feature to have on my Blu-ray player.

reading all of these posts, i picture you guys in cheerleader outfits with opposing corporate logos shaking pom-poms and trying to scream over each other. ;)

Sony won't let BR suffer the same fate as SACD, Betamax or MD. They are too stubborn to lose again.

Toshiba and the DVD groups won't let HD-DVD fall either, as they have way too much invested to give up now.

It's going to take a joint effort by the studios to dump both the HD-DVD and BR branding and go with a format neutral "Total HD" type of branding. Create a new licensing requirement for hardware manufactures for a "Total HD" standard that would require any player that is capable of playing a studio HD disc be a "Total HD" player. Existing content would be fine in future machines, and only those early adopters would be SOL when it comes to their machines only playing 1 format.

The average consumer doesn't care about the differences between HD-DVD and BR, and probably doesn't want to be confused by the multiple formats.

The problem from the beginning was the studios worrying more about HDCP and DRM than the business model of the HD optical mediums. They let Sony create a competiting product, as Sony ALWAYS does, and made things worse when they wouldn't work together for a common goal.

The BD mantra 3 days ago . . . .

"Content is King!"

"BD has won the war"

"Another nail in HD DVD's coffin"

"HD DVD will be dead in a matter of months!"

3 days later . . . .

"BD will survive!"

LMAO!

While I don't really care now who wins or which format prevails, you seem to need to bash BD every chance you get. :rolleyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/zx3maniac/Blu-raybad1.jpg

Price drop on Blu players will come soon and both hardware will be on equal playing field.In my opinion, when the average consumer sees both players side by side at equal price points there will be more Blu palyers to choose from compared to 1 or 2 different HD-DVD players. JMO.

I bought the PS3 not for gaming, but hey, its a nice feature to have on my Blu-ray player.

On which hardware? The Profile 1.0 "gimp" players? Do you have any idea of the cost of a Profile 1.1/2.0 player? So far it's $2000.

Or is the BDA going to pulll another fast one and sell 1.1 players with no 2.0 compliance?

The entire BD player issue is a train wreck and if you would stop cheering for the BD side and examine the problem you will see it.

Here is a piece of the puzzle: The only SoC at this time that is profile 1.1 compliant is the SIGMA 8634 Rev.C Have you any idea how much this SoC costs? I don't but I can tell you that without it a BD player is 1.0. That give any clues as to how important this SoC is?

Think SIGMA is going to give them away free like candy cause of their good nature?

1.1 means going from 64 MB to 256 MB for Persistant Storage and 1 GB for 2.0. As the profiles go up more memory is required which means higher cost to manufacturer.

Cheaper BD hardware?

reading all of these posts, i picture you guys in cheerleader outfits with opposing corporate logos shaking pom-poms and trying to scream over each other. ;)

that's about the gayest comment i've heard since i over heard 2 guys commenting on a rainbow together :D:D:D

reading all of these posts, i picture you guys in cheerleader outfits with opposing corporate logos shaking pom-poms and trying to scream over each other. ;)
Couldn't have said it better myself.

It's like if you make any kind of observation at all on HDM in general, someone from either side of the line comes and punishs you for even questioning anything about HDM.

It's like this Paramount news was huge here but the rest of the world is oblivious to what's going on in the so called HD war because when they go to their local CE store, they still see 2 format players and 2 divisions of movie selections and they just shake their head and walk over to the DVD section to get their movie.

While I don't really care now who wins or which format prevails, you seem to need to bash BD every chance you get. :rolleyes:

"Revenge is a dish best served cold"

I think 7 months of HD DVD bashing deserves a few days of BD bashing . . don't you?:rolleyes:

"Revenge is a dish best served cold"

I think 7 months of HD DVD bashing deserves a few days of BD bashing . . don't you?:rolleyes:I missed the whole BD bashing of HD DVD here.

I bought a PS3 just before, and not knowing about the Paramount news. The buzz word on the street to all my "J6P" friends is BLU-RAY for new HD discs. That said, I don't think the average consumer cares about anything else but the buzzword on the street...that is marketing 101 and Blu-ray has it.

I've got to disagree. Maybe it's a region/city/state thing but in general majority of those I know or have spoken to refuse to make a plunge into either format for a few reasons.

1. cost. They see the cost of an HD movie going upwards into the $30+ range and it instantly scares them off. To them 2 hours isn't worth $30+ even if it's the greatest movie in the world. They see nothing wrong with normal DVDs and also think you need an expensive hifi setup to enjoy watching HD movies as they are displayed in store.
2. format war. Let's face it, it's hard to decide and be on one side (or spend more and be neutral) to something that could be 'dead' within 1-2 years. And what dramatically goes AGAINST anything Sony is affiliated with is their historically potential downfall. Far too many times the general public has seen Sony's media lose out and die and no matter what the sales figures tell you, these people are sure that blu will go the same route.
3. the playstation 3. I know it doubles up as a gaming console / BR player / media center but the masses still see the PS3 as just a playstation / video games console. Ask 10 strangers, I bet 9 of them think it just does video games. I think it is evident that most PS3 owners don't use it as a BR player since the format war is split 60/40 still.
4. the name. I know bluray sounds cool. It does. But think of the masses who don't understand all the technicalities and judge something by the name and 'cover' (or in this case the store display). They won't see a difference between BR & HD DVD and will see that HD DVD is cheaper. They will also see the HD in front of DVD and can automatically assume it's DVD in high def to go along with their HDTV which is TV in high def. The power of a name is usually overlooked.

I can go on, and I'm not trying to go against BR but I don't think blu will keep steaming ahead even with a marginal advantage in market share. I say this because in the last 2 quarters I saw countless more BR advertisements over HD DVD, there are far more players that play BR thanks to the PS3, larger studio support, and retail support yet the small 5% estimated HD movie platform is only split 60/40. By now blu SHOULD be 80/20 or more. I was once a believer that blu would decimate HD DVD mainly thanks to the PS3, and I now am looking to buy an HD-A2 HD DVD player later today. Funny how things work. Expect a stalemate.

Sony won't let BR suffer the same fate as SACD, Betamax or MD. They are too stubborn to lose again.

Toshiba and the DVD groups won't let HD-DVD fall either, as they have way too much invested to give up now.

It's going to take a joint effort by the studios to dump both the HD-DVD and BR branding and go with a format neutral "Total HD" type of branding. Create a new licensing requirement for hardware manufactures for a "Total HD" standard that would require any player that is capable of playing a studio HD disc be a "Total HD" player. Existing content would be fine in future machines, and only those early adopters would be SOL when it comes to their machines only playing 1 format.

The average consumer doesn't care about the differences between HD-DVD and BR, and probably doesn't want to be confused by the multiple formats.

The problem from the beginning was the studios worrying more about HDCP and DRM than the business model of the HD optical mediums. They let Sony create a competiting product, as Sony ALWAYS does, and made things worse when they wouldn't work together for a common goal.

This makes alot of sense right now. Manufacturers and studios need to splash a NEW common format to the consumer and tout how better it is over regular DVD. This would break the average consumer from regular DVD the same way VHS was fizzled out.

I would love to be in the marketing department of either camp right now :p

I missed the whole BD bashing of HD DVD here.

Oh come on now. If you have been here and reading at all, anyone with an ounce of objectivity can see how things have been since the beginning of the year.. and the most recent month or two of of HD DVD taunting and bashing has been overwhelming and non stop.

I bought a PS3 just before, and not knowing about the Paramount news. The buzz word on the street to all my "J6P" friends is BLU-RAY for new HD discs. That said, I don't think the average consumer cares about anything else but the buzzword on the street...that is marketing 101 and Blu-ray has it.

Of course Blu-ray isn't going anywhere. Just like UMD isn't going anywhere. Every time Sony creates a new media format that their own hardware relies on, it doesn't ever really die.

That's why Sony thinks they have the power to tell us all which new format should replace the old. And that's why many of us hate Sony.

The BD mantra 3 days ago . . . .

"Content is King!"

"BD has won the war"

"Another nail in HD DVD's coffin"

"HD DVD will be dead in a matter of months!"

3 days later . . . .

"BD will survive!"

LMAO!


Lee, I get you (finally) got some good news and you are happy, but this is silly. The outcome unless something drastically changes is that neither format will be mainstream. That's a loss for everyone.

At least it is refreshing to not have to hear the whining fro the HDDVD camp about evil Blu and how Toshiba/Uni will never give up etc.

Seeing we all lose out in the end, at least let's hope all the childish blu and red fans can put a sock in it and get on with their lives.

This makes alot of sense right now. Manufacturers and studios need to splash a NEW common format to the consumer and tout how better it is over regular DVD. This would break the average consumer from regular DVD the same way VHS was fizzled out.

I would love to be in the marketing department of either camp right now :p

HD DVD/BD = Laserdisc Part 2

So when has J6P rushed out to get a format that only offers better PQ and AQ and some ansilary extras?

Lee, I get you (finally) got some good news and you are happy, but this is silly. The outcome unless something drastically changes is that neither format will be mainstream. That's a loss for everyone.

absolutely true. unfortunately, it seems like a lot of people would rather see the side they chose win small and ultimately meaningless battles, when in fact the larger war has in all likelyhood already been lost.

it seems more and more likely to me that HD optical discs will become the laserdisc of the new century...a niche format that ultimately fails and only a tiny, dedicated market segment even cares about.

absolutely true. unfortunately, it seems like a lot of people would rather see the side they chose win small and ultimately meaningless battles, when in fact the larger war has in all likelyhood already been lost.

it seems more and more likely to me that HD optical discs will become the laserdisc of the new century...a niche format that ultimately fails and only a tiny, dedicated market segment even cares about.

Yes, at this point I have resigned to this conclusion. I guess I'll be one of the relatively small number of enthusiasts that will utilize (both) hdm disc formats - much like Laserdisc as you say. I'd be surprised if HDM now has a chance of ever advancing past 10-20% of the sales of dvd.

absolutely true. unfortunately, it seems like a lot of people would rather see the side they chose win small and ultimately meaningless battles, when in fact the larger war has in all likelyhood already been lost.

it seems more and more likely to me that HD optical discs will become the laserdisc of the new century...a niche format that ultimately fails and only a tiny, dedicated market segment even cares about.

This was destined to happen from day 1. Anyone who thinks different is just fooling themselves. HDM is an UPGRADE to DVD. It is evolutionary like LD was. It is NOT revolutionary like DVD was.

1 format, 2 formats, 10 formats - it doesn't matter. The public has no real interest in better PQ and AQ. This has been proven already.

They are buying hang on the wall TV's that just happen to be called an HDTV.

9 years HDTV has been in exsistance and less than 15% of ALL HDTV owners are actually watching HD becuase they either put up an antenna (free) or went with a delivery system like HD CBL or HD SAT.

Wishing and hoping do not replace facts and reality. At least they don't in my world. I don't know about yours though.

SIMPLE FACT:

HD DVD/BD = Laserdisc Part 2

PS3 alone kills all hddvd sells, every week in every country.

In case you haven't heard, the attach rate on the PS3 is pretty pathetic.

Hey, I don't care if HDM ever goes mainstream, honestly, I don't.

So long as I can buy movies that I want, I am ok. Yes, I may have to pay a bit more, a HD tax as it may be called. I'll pay.

DVD isn't going anywhere for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggg time.

I'm not waiting. If in 7 years DVD still rules I'll have had 7 years of HDM.

I think the solution is both sides to rethink the end goal.

Time to talk again.

I'm going to say HDM catches on far better that LD. People can see the difference between STD TV and HDTV and will want that in DVD. HDM players will be around $100 in another year or so. So, why not replace the DVD player that crapped out with a hi-def one? How much did LD players cost? The rental business is a mature business at this point and HDM will be readily available.

This was destined to happen from day 1. Anyone who thinks different is just fooling themselves. HDM is an UPGRADE to DVD. It is evolutionary like LD was. It is NOT revolutionary like DVD was.

1 format, 2 formats, 10 formats - it doesn't matter. The public has no real interest in better PQ and AQ. This has been proven already.

They are buying hang on the wall TV's that just happen to be called an HDTV.

9 years HDTV has been in exsistance and less than 15% of ALL HDTV owners are actually watching HD becuase they either put up an antenna (free) or went with a delivery system like HD CBL or HD SAT.

Wishing and hoping do not replace facts and reality. At least they don't in my world. I don't know about yours though.

SIMPLE FACT:

HD DVD/BD = Laserdisc Part 2

Could not agree more. Most people are still probably watching SD DVDs fed by a composite cable into their sleek new plasma, listening through the TV speakers. That won't be changing anytime soon.

Could not agree more. Most people are still probably watching SD DVDs fed by a composite cable into their sleek new plasma, listening through the TV speakers. That won't be changing anytime soon.Maybe that's why Paramount agreed to the 1.5 year exclusivity.

Maybe that's why Paramount agreed to the 1.5 year exclusivity.

If that really is the case why are they in the HD media world at all??? it would just benefit them to keep cranking out the sd DVD's that J6p is in love with.

If that really is the case why are they in the HD media world at all??? it would just benefit them to keep cranking out the sd DVD's that J6p is in love with.Why not, they can re-release those HD DVD-exclusive releases for BD after 1.5 year and still make money from the install base of BD far bigger than today.

As if this sort of topic even has buzz on the "street."

You must go to a lot of LAN parties or something.

The BD mantra 3 days ago . . . .

"Content is King!"

"BD has won the war"

"Another nail in HD DVD's coffin"

"HD DVD will be dead in a matter of months!"

3 days later . . . .

"BD will survive!"

LMAO!



Now that made me laugh my ass off! Great one..

Could not agree more. Most people are still probably watching SD DVDs fed by a composite cable into their sleek new plasma, listening through the TV speakers. That won't be changing anytime soon.

That's the truth. We just did a brand new Toyota/Scion dealership, where Scion sets up a large center display piece with a 50" Plasma running off of a receiver and DVD player. After they came in to set up their displays and furniture I went to check out the Plasma, and was shocked to find that they had an old DVD player hooked up to the unit via composite. :rolleyes: