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Ricko
08-23-07, 12:27 PM
Mitsubishi planning 3D Blu-ray player for early 2008


Along with a few other tech journalists I spent a couple of hours today over at the Westchester Country Club, which is gearing up for The Barclays PGA Tour event. What the hell was I doing there? Well, as part of a marketing deal with the PGA Tour, Mitsubishi is the "official large outdoor video display provider" of the Tour and the PR team wanted us to see some of these displays in action along with the Tour's ShotLink technology, which tracks players' shots almost down to the centimeter (the info is displayed on those giant Mitsubishi scoreboards). That's all sort of interesting if you're a golf fan, but things got a little sexier when Mitsubishi reps took us into a hospitality suite, handed us each a pair of fancy 3D glasses, and showed us a demo of some new 3D-imaging technology they were working on.

The demo was run from a massive Dell desktop and output onto a large DLP set. In an effort to inject new life into the fading rear-projection category, the company's pitch was that the 3D technology worked with existing DLP TVs and projectors (due to DLP's native 120 Hz refresh rate, which allows you to split it into 60/60 for 3D) but not with LCD and plasma displays.

Most of us were pretty impressed by the demo, which included clips from movies, commercials, and sporting events. There was real depth to the 3D and you got that whole feeling of things poking out at you from the screen. All the demo material had been shot in 3D, but the kicker to the whole presentation was that Mitsubishi apparently has a Blu-ray player in its labs that can convert existing 2D movies into 3D on the fly. Better yet, according to company reps, it may be available early next year.

I'm pretty skeptical it's going to show up anytime soon and I have my doubts that converted 2D content is going to look all that great in 3D. But the 3D movement is gathering more momentum as other companies like Samsung and Philips continue working on ways to bring 3D into the home. Ideally, you wouldn't have to wear glasses (Philips is trying to integrate 3D right into the display), but I have a feeling you're only going to get a true Imax-like 3D experience with some eyewear.

While Mitsubishi wasn't ready to get into pricing, one would expect to pay a premium a special-featured Blu-ray player. That said, Mitsubishi hinted that it was in discussions with one game console manufacturer to integrate the 3D technology into the system. The Wii's not capable of such feats and Microsoft's in the HD DVD camp, so one would have to assume it's Sony and the PS3.

I know, I know. It's all rampant conjecture. But eventually, HD and 2D just aren't going to cut it. We may be a few years away from that, but there's chatter out there. Anybody out there itching for 3D at home?

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9764622-1.html

Now that's the winning combination to win this war !!!

kowhite
08-23-07, 12:31 PM
Well that's not going to be winning any format wars...but it sounds cool.

nyg
08-23-07, 04:58 PM
Sounds cool. Can't wait to demo it.

Ricko
08-23-07, 04:59 PM
I really believe 3D could be the next BIG thing. I hope sooner rather than later...

cybereality
08-23-07, 05:01 PM
I hope thats true, but we will see what happens. 3D is the next logical step, it would be nice if it worked with existing HDM.

Just for the record though, there is already one 3D disc on HD DVD (Bugs3D import).

JoeFloyd
08-23-07, 05:19 PM
This approach to 3D will require special glasses. The glasses have LCD shutters that are synchronized with the video display. The video player will emit an infrared signal that the glasses use to synchronize to the correct left/right image. Something very similar has been around in the PC world for a quite a while.

There are some high end computer visualization projects that use technology similar to this. While I was a student at Virginia Tech, there was a project to build something called a CAVE. What was neat about this type of environment was that your head movements were/are tracked by the computer so that you can do things like look around an obstruction by moving your head. Kind of like viewing a hologram.

http://www.sv.vt.edu/future/vt-cave/whatis/#howwork

That was neat back then, but modern technology has moved toward volumetric displays.

Modifying the stereoscopic perspective in real time is something that can't be done with static video, and it kind of destroys the perception of 3D once the gimmick aspect of the perception of depth wears off.

Opps, I see that the article mentions the glasses. The LCD shutter approach does work well. Much better than Red/Blue colored lenses or the polarized variety.

tormond
08-23-07, 05:24 PM
Cool I get to watch a movie AND get a blaring headache all for the price of admission. What a deal! Seriously though maybe it is just me but I have never watched anything in 3D that required glasses that I didn't get a headache from after more than about 10 minutes or so. The part about having it built into the display is kinda cool though. That would be groovy.

b.greenway
08-23-07, 05:25 PM
Cool I get to watch a movie AND get a blaring headache all for the price of admission. What a deal! Seriously though maybe it is just me but I have never watched anything in 3D that required glasses that I didn't get a headache from after more than about 10 minutes or so. The part about having it built into the display is kinda cool though. That would be groovy.

It's not just you :)

briankmonkey
08-23-07, 05:32 PM
Maybe we can get that Michael Jackson movie that used to play at Disneyland.

tomes
08-23-07, 05:44 PM
Cool I get to watch a movie AND get a blaring headache all for the price of admission. What a deal! Seriously though maybe it is just me but I have never watched anything in 3D that required glasses that I didn't get a headache from after more than about 10 minutes or so. The part about having it built into the display is kinda cool though. That would be groovy.


I went to Disney3d (Robinson Family movie or whatever) and it was not straining at all. I do remember movies in the past I found very straining though.

Ruined
08-23-07, 06:58 PM
This is like that old computer technology SimulEyes. Though it is cool at first, I must admit that you can't do it for long without a headache - plus there is significant ghosting. Nice gimmick, but not really practical.

sivartk
08-23-07, 08:02 PM
sounds interesting....which studios are producing this content? That is the press release I want to see. You can have a lot of SACD players but without your favorite artist releasing in that format, what's the point?

tsb
08-23-07, 09:06 PM
sweet

Supermans
08-23-07, 09:30 PM
Maybe we can get that Michael Jackson movie that used to play at Disneyland.

Captain EO was pretty cool back in the day :) I have a DLP so I wouldn't mid trying this out..

briankmonkey
08-23-07, 09:36 PM
Captain EO was pretty cool back in the day :) I have a DLP so I wouldn't mid trying this out..

ah, thanks for the refresher..Just watched some on Youtube, not in 3D cheap ass youtube, lol ;)

bboisvert
08-23-07, 09:38 PM
That sounds cool and all... but I'd bet a dollar that thing never makes it to market.

bboisvert
08-23-07, 09:40 PM
Maybe we can get that Michael Jackson movie that used to play at Disneyland.

Can you imagine the rights nightmare that thing must be? Lucas... Jackson... *and* Disney?

That's never seeing the light of day on home video. ;)

rdjam
08-23-07, 09:45 PM
Thanks for the excerpt, Ricko.

I think I take note of these key points:

1) Mitsu did not demo a 3D BD player
2) The tech they will use is simply to convert existing 2D movie discs into simulated 3D, and this tech could be included in any TV or HD DVD/BD player sometime next year.
3) Unfortunately, they did not mention actually encoding a true 3D movie to a BD (or HD) disc and playing it in true 3D - which is what I would probably really want to see...

Oh well... :)

lomax
08-23-07, 10:43 PM
the head aches come as a result of low frame rate, with 60 frames per eye that is not a problem any more.

K.L.
08-24-07, 02:41 PM
Thanks for the excerpt, Ricko.

I think I take note of these key points:

1) Mitsu did not demo a 3D BD player
2) The tech they will use is simply to convert existing 2D movie discs into simulated 3D, and this tech could be included in any TV or HD DVD/BD player sometime next year.
3) Unfortunately, they did not mention actually encoding a true 3D movie to a BD (or HD) disc and playing it in true 3D - which is what I would probably really want to see...

Oh well... :)Too bad Mitsubishi is one of the directors in the BDA board :p

Lee Stewart
08-24-07, 02:43 PM
1. It only works on RPTV's (FPTV's?) - the smallest segment of the HDTV market

2. It is being designed around the new 120Hz refresh rate so it can be shown 60/60 for the use of LCD glasses, so any BD (or even DVD if player will allow) can be shown in 3D.

3. There is no "true" 3D software yet.