I was browsing Videogon a couple of days ago and saw when I clicked 'new today' that someone had snagged a G90 with less than 300 hrs for $3200 (they might have paid less, I dunno).

Anyone here get this deal?

It had to only be listed for a few minutes before it was snagged. I checked on my morning break and it was not there. When I checked on my lunch hour it had been listed and sold.

What a deal.

I was browsing Videogon a couple of days ago and saw when I clicked 'new today' that someone had snagged a G90 with less than 300 hrs for $3200 (they might have paid less, I dunno).

Anyone here get this deal?

It had to only be listed for a few minutes before it was snagged. I checked on my morning break and it was not there. When I checked on my lunch hour it had been listed and sold.

What a deal.

I believe he hangs out over at Curts. It's broken as far as I know.

I think there is a post about it here too.

Cliff

Ok, I found it.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=895052

Cliff

Ok, I found it.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=895052

Cliff

Hey Cliffy,

How's everything going in G90 land?:D

Hey Cliffy,

How's everything going in G90 land?:D

Yes,only FH video has more !

Art

Hey Cliffy,

How's everything going in G90 land?:D

How ya doin' BIG DOG???? Hope things are well with you!

Let's see, 10 foot lamberts on a 10ft wide screen, sharp, shadow detail, yada yada yada. :D

Think you might be able to swing the trip down to DC for the blendzilla meet?

Cliffy

Think you might be able to swing the trip down to DC for the blendzilla meet?

Another zilla meet? when?

Athanasios

How ya doin' BIG DOG???? Hope things are well with you!

Let's see, 10 foot lamberts on a 10ft wide screen, sharp, shadow detail, yada yada yada. :D

Think you might be able to swing the trip down to DC for the blendzilla meet?

Cliffy

Cliffy,

Hope you're enjoying all your yada, yada, yada.:p

As for making it down to D.C., I hope I can just make it back down to Florida sometime in September.:(

Bruce

Cliffy,

Hope you're enjoying all your yada, yada, yada.:p

As for making it down to D.C., I hope I can just make it back down to Florida sometime in September.:(

Bruce

Are you staying for the winter or just a short time?

Cliffy

I 'hang out' here too :)

Curt's has been attracting its fair share of people lately, which is great. He deserves it. I never would have even considered CRT if it weren't for Curt .. now I have a 1209S (which will be returned soon), a 1209, a G90 and maybe another G90 :)

I assume that what you mean by G90 is the Sony 9" Tube Sony CRT.
If this is true, I have one with less than 300 hours. If you think $3200 is
so good; you could have mine for $2500 plus shipping.

Rharmon you've got PM

For all we know you might be getting a 1292 instead :D

I asked to see if has any pics, so hopefully we'll see.

I will take some pictures this afternoon and include them in a new post.

I will take some pictures this afternoon and include them in a new post.

Please read the rules. This is not a marketing board. If you are selling this machine PM your pics or post an add in the classified section. Thank you!

I never sold anything before on this site. I just took pictures;
I will post them on the classified section. Thank You.

Well so far, the seller of the $3200 has only responded once to my emails. I'm not sure if I've been scammed, its been 12 days since I paid him.

I'm on the verge of contacting the authorities.

Well so far, the seller of the $3200 has only responded once to my emails. I'm not sure if I've been scammed, its been 12 days since I paid him.

I'm on the verge of contacting the authorities.

Wow Oliver. That sucks. I hope you are not scammed on this.

Where is the seller again?

Cliff

Sort of sounds like the same MO that RHarmon here used saying he had one with less than 300 hrs and he is in a suburb of NYC too.

Seems like he turned out to be a scammer. In the for sale area, he put me off when I said I wanted it, but I would pick it up.

Curt PM the guy also. Don't know how his PM worked out.

Wow Oliver. That sucks. I hope you are not scammed on this.

Where is the seller again?

Cliff

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?projcrta&1192979655&class&3&4&

Looks like he got some bad feedback last year on Videogon's cousin, Audiogon.

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fb.pl?user=3728slingshot&&&&

I just posted this on Curt's site .. but it seems appropriate to post here too:

I know I can do a chargeback via my credit card company, but I think the guy realised how cheap he was selling it for and wants to pull out. If you make the sale via PayPal, you only have a certain amount of time to file a complaint, but my bank has no such limit.

I just contacted my cousin, who happens to be a senior FBI agent - he telsl me because the sale was made on an auction site, the sale is binding as a contract. If I want to go down that road, I have to contact a lawyer in the seller's juridstiction. But if not, my cousin is willing to start the process of criminal proceedings (fraud) but I am going to wait a little while longer before I go down that path. He isn't in the area where the seller apparently is so he has to contact the local office. Apparently they are able to contact the auction site and PayPal and get all the contact details/IP addresses and contact the ISP of the seller. It only takes them an hour or so to track the seller down. As long as they use their own home computer and aren't at an internet cafe.
He also tells me that alot of sellers will wait until the PayPal dispute period is over before sending the item as some buyers defraud sellers. I wont go into any details but there are quite a few ways apprently. I was quite shocked!! Also, there are people out there that list items, take the money and disappear.

I may be completely over-reacting, the seller seemed to be really nice before he started ignoring me/not responding. I'm just hoping something bad hasn't happened to him and he can't get near his email. I would prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt. I just can't help but be worried though - as you said CZEddie, 4 days if he isn't an internet junkie - and its been almost a week since I heard from him last.

Here's hoping I'm not over-reacting.

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?projcrta&1192979655&class&3&4&

Looks like he got some bad feedback last year on Videogon's cousin, Audiogon.

http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fb.pl?user=3728slingshot&&&&

Oh bugger... thanks CZ.. looks like I'm going the FBI route.

I'm pretty sure the 6k G90 on Videogon is actually the same guy.
He hasn't responded to my offer to buy the PJ.

Be VERY careful.

I just posted this on Curt's site .. but it seems appropriate to post here too:I may be completely over-reacting, the seller seemed to be really nice before he started ignoring me/not responding. I'm just hoping something bad hasn't happened to him and he can't get near his email. I would prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt. I just can't help but be worried though - as you said CZEddie, 4 days if he isn't an internet junkie - and its been almost a week since I heard from him last.
Here's hoping I'm not over-reacting.
at this point in time, 10 days after you paid him with no communication, it's time to to contact Pay-pal at the very least. If that road doesn't produce results by the end of this week then it's time to initiate a charge-back and call the police as well. $3200. is a lot of money and there's no excuse to be treated the way you have. I would ike to think there's a reasonable explanation behind all this but it's also very likely an elaborate scam. It makes me sick to hear of it, Audiogon and Videogon are great places 99% of the time, why do these clowns have to ruin it. :(

Thanks for all the support gentlemen.

CZEddie, I really appreciate you digging up the Audiogon feedback.
I read all his posts, he seems like a 'real' person, his paypal account is verified with 122 transactions. I really was hoping he was genuine.

But as the saying goes "If something is too good to be true, it usually is"

I assume that what you mean by G90 is the Sony 9" Tube Sony CRT.
If this is true, I have one with less than 300 hours. If you think $3200 is
so good; you could have mine for $2500 plus shipping.

RHarmon, in the "for sale" section, you state that it has a new green tube (that cost $4000) - how does a projector with less than 300 hours on it need a new tube?

RHarmon, in the "for sale" section, you state that it has a new green tube (that cost $4000) - how does a projector with less than 300 hours on it need a new tube?

Hehe, it's a Sony. You can fry a green tube on a Sony in 100 hours........

I definitely though am beginning to smell something bad with this deal.

Cliff

I'm trying to work out if the second G90 (for 6k) is the same person. The second guy has only sporodically responded to my enquiries.

The first 'person' I paid $3200 to is using a mailer in the first picture's area. He uses a yahoo account. In the ad he says he's in Long Island. His mailer was in Chicago, Illanois (although that could just be Yahoo's 'relay')




The guy selling the $6000 one - his mailer is in the second picture. (Marrero, Louisiana ) - He told me he was in Virginia. His address is a cox.net address. Is Virginia near Louisina?

I'm now being a conspiracy theorist, but when I see lots of G90s being sold very cheap after I've been diddled, I get suspicious of other cheap G90s appearing! It could be the person selling for $2500 is real, but I doubt it. If you have received an email from him, please PM me so I can give the details to the FBI.

Kind regards

Remember the difference between a hypothesis and a theory, a hypothesis has no evidence to back it up whereas a theory has evidence to back it up.

This is going quickly from a conspiracy hypothesis to a conspiracy theory.

Can you get the whole amount back from PayPal, if not will doing a chargeback on your credit card cause problems with your PayPal account?

PayPal offer a piddly $1000 protection, but my bank offers 100%.

Paypal do get -very- put out when you do a chargeback. The reason for this: If PayPal's merchant bank receive over 3-4% chargebacks, they lose their credit card facilities!

That's why PayPal always say "Use your automatic bank facilities, its so much easier than credit card!" - basically, if you use your bank account instead of your credit card, you have very little protection against fraud.

I've got a verified PP account. I'll be upset if they cancel it, but I would be alot more upset at losing $3200. I'm going to lose out against the currency too - when I made this transaction, the Aussie dollar was at 78C - now its sitting up at 84. $300-400 just gone :( Ah well. I've got a good lawyer lined up, once the FBI have finished with him, I'll have his address and can sue him. I had a $15000 sale line up for that projector once it was fixed, now I've missed out - he's liable for the $11800 difference :) :) :)

The guy selling the $6000 one - his mailer is in the second picture. (Marrero, Louisiana ) - He told me he was in Virginia. His address is a cox.net address. Is Virginia near Louisina?1087 miles away... a 16.5 hour drive each way.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2602/valabo1.png

PayPal offer a piddly $1000 protection, but my bank offers 100%.

Paypal do get -very- put out when you do a chargeback. The reason for this: If PayPal's merchant bank receive over 3-4% chargebacks, they lose their credit card facilities!

That's why PayPal always say "Use your automatic bank facilities, its so much easier than credit card!" - basically, if you use your bank account instead of your credit card, you have very little protection against fraud.

I've got a verified PP account. I'll be upset if they cancel it, but I would be alot more upset at losing $3200. I'm going to lose out against the currency too - when I made this transaction, the Aussie dollar was at 78C - now its sitting up at 84. $300-400 just gone :( Ah well. I've got a good lawyer lined up, once the FBI have finished with him, I'll have his address and can sue him. I had a $15000 sale line up for that projector once it was fixed, now I've missed out - he's liable for the $11800 difference :) :) :)

Go oliverg! :cool:

Thanks Clarence - and Dave ;)

I think my cousin has found him - apparently he lives in a place called Calverton. I don't know anything about US geography but my cousin says that's in NY. Anyway, I'm going to give him a few more days to contact me.

I don't like my chances though :(

Can anyone tell me what the "tri state area" is?

Can anyone tell me what the "tri state area" is?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-state_region
The Tri-State Region is commonly used in the area surrounding New York City to unambiguously refer to the greater metropolitan area. Sometimes the phrase is shortened to "the Tri-State," or "the Tri-State Area" is used instead. The term is especially favored in advertising and the broadcast news media, but is used in common speech as well. Roughly speaking, the New York Tri-State area encompasses the populated areas in the states of New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut (hence the term "tri-state")

Clarence - thank you.

I would like to say, if it turns out that RHarmon is a "real" person, I apologise in advance. Circumstances have been somewhat suspect however.

I'll be upset ... and can sue him. I had a $15000 sale line up for that projector once it was fixed, now I've missed out - he's liable for the $11800 difference :) :) :)

I was starting to feel sorry for you up to this point.

I was starting to feel sorry for you up to this point.

I was just joking - if ONLY I did!

Sorry, I have deep sympathy for someone ripped off online. Its happened to me a bunch.

So you weren't buying it to resell then?

Sorry, I have deep sympathy for someone ripped off online. Its happened to me a bunch.

So you weren't buying it to resell then?


No - I bought it to stack/blend. I thought that I'd snagged a bargain with the first one and was keeping an eye out for a second - that's why i've been keeping careful tabs on any G90s that are appearing.

My bad.

So, after you get #2 to stack/blend are you going to get one or two more for backup?

Why can't you rich guys leave the bargain for us poor guys to get a lowly single G90??:confused:;);)

My bad.

So, after you get #2 to stack/blend are you going to get one or two more for backup?

Why can't you rich guys leave the bargain for us poor guys to get a lowly single G90??:confused:;);)

I think its always good to have 2 backups for any stack/blend because both units could die - then you'd be stuck with a single projector... imagine!

Thanks Clarence - and Dave ;)

I think my cousin has found him - apparently he lives in a place called Calverton. I don't know anything about US geography but my cousin says that's in NY. Anyway, I'm going to give him a few more days to contact me.

I don't like my chances though :(

Can anyone tell me what the "tri state area" is?


I'm in the "Tri-State" area here in NY, however, Calverton is way out on Eastern Long Island.

I've been burned a number of times (in the past) and all I can tell anyone is that BEFORE they send any money to someone they don't know, remember this....THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH! If it seems too good to be true, it IS!:rolleyes:

Screw Paypal. I was once screwed out of $350 by a thief and Paypal REFUSED to give me their personal info, telling me they on give that to the police. The police won't contact Paypal, so your ONLY choice is a chargeback if you used a credit card....depite Paypal saying you can't.:mad:

Copied from the G90 for sale thread in the buy/sell section:

I'm out. THis guy is either a flake or a scammer. Also note the set has 5900+ hours on it. He's now saying:


You will notice that the total hours are 5,989; but the green and red tubes only have 680 hours.

So, something is fishy. Guaranteed the blue tube has wear as well. At $2500 I would have taken it, at $5K it's a waste of money.

Have at it guys, bid away.... if there's something to be bid on in the first place..

Have at it guys, bid away.... if there's something to be bid on in the first place.. wow, didn't know AVS was hosting an auction site in the AVS-marketplace? Hope it doesn't become like E-bay :D

Damn, I was feeling like I overpaid on the G90 I bought from Cliff after I saw these two at $3200 and $2500. Now, I'm feeling much better about it.

Haven't had the pleasure to buy from Curt yet (other than a moome card, which isn't really from him, just on his site), but every other "name" vendor I've dealt with on AVS has been fantastic and men of their word.

Damn, I was feeling like I overpaid on the G90 I bought from Cliff after I saw these two at $3200 and $2500. Now, I'm feeling much better about it.



You should feel great, you got a projector, the Ebay bidder is going to either get junk....or NOTHING!:D

Guys, I wanted to clear something up. I stayed in communication with RHarmon. I was going to bait him, get as much infromation as I could then tell my cousin (an FBI agent) who would have prompty had him arrested.

Gentlemen, we have all done RHarmon a grave dis-service. He shared with me a lot of information - alot more than a scammer would. He owns 2 large companies. I rang them both (using their website phone numbers - which was the same as what he gave me). Turns out he is completely genuine.

He cleared up the hours discrepancy - he was talking about the new tubes - OK, sure they've done 600 not 300, but close enough.
He sent me further photos - and more ways of verifying his bona fides. EVERYTHING checked out. Then I rang him - he turned out to be a really 'nice bloke' with a great sense of humour.

We (especially me) have wronged him. So, here in public - Robert - I am very sorry I doubted you. (Although, after just being ripped off 3200, you can understand why, can't you??)

I went ahead and bought the PJ (for well well above the $2500) - I did email Curt to see if he still wanted it first (and gave him 4 hours to respond :P) but I assume he thought the risk too great - at the price I paid, I don't think Curt would have been interested anyway.

Anyway, hope this clears things up - RHarmon is a genuine seller and only made a few stuffups and they too turned out to be genuine mistakes.

Kind regards

Guys, I wanted to clear something up. I stayed in communication with RHarmon. I was going to bait him, get as much infromation as I could then tell my cousin (an FBI agent) who would have prompty arrested him.

Gentlemen, we have all done RHarmon a grave error. He shared with me a lot of information - alot more than a scammer would. He owns 2 large companies. I rang them both (using their website phone numbers - which was the same as what he gave me). Turns out he is completely genuine.

He cleared up the hours discrepancy - he was talking about the new tubes - OK, sure they've done 600 not 300, but close enough.
He sent me further photos - and more ways of verifying his bona fides. EVERYTHING checked out. Then I rang him - he turned out to be a really 'nice bloke' with a great sense of humour.

We (especially me) have wronged him. So, here in public - Robert - I am very sorry I doubted you. (Although, after just being ripped off 3200, you can understand why, can't you??)

I went ahead and bought the PJ (for well well above the $2500) - I did email Curt to see if he still wanted it first (and gave him 4 hours to respond :P) but I assume he thought the risk too great - at the price I paid, I don't think Curt would have been interested anyway.

Anyway, hope this clears things up - RHarmon is a genuine seller and only made a few stuffups and they too turned out to be genuine mistakes.

Kind regards

Confusing indeed.;) I was under the impression that you paid someone for a projector that you didn't receive, was that the case? How much time has passed since you paid the money until now?

If it's a legit deal, you should receive your projector....and it should be (within reason), as described. More than that, you shouldn't expect.:)

Confusing indeed.;) I was under the impression that you paid someone for a projector that you didn't receive, was that the case? How much time has passed since you paid the money until now?

If it's a legit deal, you should receive your projector....and it should be (within reason), as described. More than that, you shouldn't expect.:)

I was ripped off by a guy on Videogon - we all thought RHarmon was the same guy, as he lived very close to the last one and had a very similar (appearing) MO.

So - I'm still down 3200 (paid on the 23rd of August)- but now it appears I've got a real G90 very shortly on the way.

In the very unlikely even that I have been scammed twice, I will post a very short message here saying "Goodbye cruel world" and that will be that :)

I was ripped off by a guy on Videogon - we all thought RHarmon was the same guy, as he lived very close to the last one and had a very similar (appearing) MO.

So - I'm still down 3200 (paid on the 23rd of August)- but now it appears I've got a real G90 very shortly on the way.

In the very unlikely even that I have been scammed twice, I will post a very short message here saying "Goodbye cruel world" and that will be that :)

Oh, that clears it up....a little. The first guy that you believe you were scammed by, is that who you paid on 8/23 ? If so, why are you so sure you were scammed?

Oh, that clears it up....a little. The first guy that you believe you were scammed by, is that who you paid on 8/23 ? If so, why are you so sure you were scammed?

Yes, the first guy (3728slingshot) was paid on the 23rd of August. He stopped replying to my emails - I've contacted a bunch of people that he has sold succesfully to but it turns out that a few more have been ripped off recently.

This poor chap isn't down as much as I am but he's pissed. In any case, he shared some more contact details with me (a disconnected phone) which I have passed onto my cousin.

I am sure I've been scammed because he told me last wednesday that he would finalise shipping with me that night - I haven't heard from him since. He wont respond to PayPal or Videogon either. After 12 days, I'm pretty sure its fraud. There's a very slim chance that something has happened to him and he can't get near his email but I doubt it.

Kind regards

Yes, the first guy (3728slingshot) was paid on the 23rd of August. He stopped replying to my emails - I've contacted a bunch of people that he has sold succesfully to but it turns out that a few more have been ripped off recently.

This poor chap isn't down as much as I am but he's pissed. In any case, he shared some more contact details with me (a disconnected phone) which I have passed onto my cousin.

I am sure I've been scammed because he told me last wednesday that he would finalise shipping with me that night - I haven't heard from him since. He wont respond to PayPal or Videogon either. After 12 days, I'm pretty sure its fraud. There's a very slim chance that something has happened to him and he can't get near his email but I doubt it.

Kind regards

While 12 days does not a swindler make....the other details make it sound like he's given you the shake.:mad: I really feel bad for you, I know the feeling having been robbed in the past. If you paid by Paypal credit card, I would definately have my bank do a charge back and to hell with Paypal.:rolleyes:

I hope you ultimately get your money back.:)

If you paid by Paypal credit card, I would definately have my bank do a charge back and to hell with Paypal.:rolleyes:

I hope you ultimately get your money back.:)

Conversation with PP so far:
Paypal: "I'm sorry sir, the money is gone - taken out of their bank account already"
Me: "So, you're saying that's it, I've lost $3200"
Paypal: "Yes, I'm very sorry sir."
Me: "Well, I'll approach my credit card company"
Paypal: "Sir, that violates the terms and conditions of use - we cannot allow it!"
Me: "So, you expect me to just wear $3200 - gone - lost?"
Paypal: "Yes, sir"
Me: "You're kidding right?"
Paypal: "No, sir"
Me: "Chargeback it is then.... "
Paypal: "Sir, stop - or I'll say 'stop' again!!"

Conversation with PP so far:
Paypal: "I'm sorry sir, the money is gone - taken out of their bank account already"
Me: "So, you're saying that's it, I've lost $3200"
Paypal: "Yes, I'm very sorry sir."
Me: "Well, I'll approach my credit card company"
Paypal: "Sir, that violates the terms and conditions of use - we cannot allow it!"
Me: "So, you expect me to just wear $3200 - gone - lost?"
Paypal: "Yes, sir"
Me: "You're kidding right?"
Paypal: "No, sir"
Me: "Chargeback it is then.... "
Paypal: "Sir, stop - or I'll say 'stop' again!!"

Paypal sucks!:mad: While I don't know how Paypal works out of the U.S., here, when you go to pay someone, it defaults to your "attached" bank account, UNLESS you specifically change it to use your credit card. When select "credit card" they try to convince you to use your bank account by telling you that you won't be in their weekly prize drawing (BIG DEAL).

If you paid by credit card, you DON'T have to discuss it with Paypal, it's the credit card company that you would talk to. All you have to do is tell them that you paid and received NOTHING and they will charge it back. Since it's Paypal who actually is the "seller" on your credit card statement, it's Paypal that will be out the money. Let them chase THEIR OWN CUSTOMERS that they make fees from.:rolleyes:

Paypal sucks!:mad: While I don't know how Paypal works out of the U.S., here, when you go to pay someone, it defaults to your "attached" bank account, UNLESS you specifically change it to use your credit card. When select "credit card" they try to convince you to use your bank account by telling you that you won't be in their weekly prize drawing (BIG DEAL).

If you paid by credit card, you DON'T have to discuss it with Paypal, it's the credit card company that you would talk to. All you have to do is tell them that you paid and received NOTHING and they will charge it back. Since it's Paypal who actually is the "seller" on your credit card statement, it's Paypal that will be out the money. Let them chase THEIR OWN CUSTOMERS that they make fees from.:rolleyes:

I will NEVER use paypal for large purchases. They suck balls and so does their customer service.

When I DO use paypal, I NEVER use my bank account. Always my credit card. :)

Cliffy

I will NEVER use paypal for large purchases. They suck balls and so does their customer service.

When I DO use paypal, I NEVER use my bank account. Always my credit card. :)

Cliffy

Hey Cliffy,

After I got burned once, I learned that you ALWAYS use your credit card with PP, just in case anything goes wrong, since Paypal WON'T even help you find THEIR thief.:rolleyes:

I just wanted to comment from the poor mans standpoint here as someone who has sat on the sidelines for the last couple of years. I'm sure i speak for a bunch of others out here who is disillusioned by all the halfway decent 9500's and G90's being snapped up by resellers or people doing stacks or blends. Even if you have 2 identical PJ's it doesn't seem to be enough...you have to have 3 or 4 and flip them for a profit. I'm not even considering what has happened in this thread but even still...read back over what has been posted. Some one thinks they have been burned on a recent purchase but still has enough wants or needs to comment on this weird transaction. It just seems all the highend stuff is being fought over by a select few. Am i missing something here?

I just wanted to comment from the poor mans standpoint here as someone who has sat on the sidelines for the last couple of years. I'm sure i speak for a bunch of others out here who is disillusioned by all the halfway decent 9500's and G90's being snapped up by resellers or people doing stacks or blends. Even if you have 2 identical PJ's it doesn't seem to be enough...you have to have 3 or 4 and flip them for a profit. I'm not even considering what has happened in this thread but even still...read back over what has been posted. Some one thinks they have been burned on a recent purchase but still has enough wants or needs to comment on this weird transaction. It just seems all the highend stuff is being fought over by a select few. Am i missing something here?

So what's your point? If I choose to buy PJs and flip them for a profit/blend them/stack them, who are you to tell me I can't do this? A select few? - the early bird catches the worm - I even gave Curt a chance to still claim it after I worked out the Robert was 'real' but he declined. If jamieh was the first bidder, I would have PMed him (you) but you weren't. I'm detecting serious projector envy here.

Just relax man. Your on a quest here and yes i do envy you:)
Your determination amazes me thats all

Just relax man. Your on a quest here and yes i do envy you:)
Your determination amazes me thats all

In that case, thank you. Us Aussies are stubborn!

Kind regards

:)

Hey Cliffy,

After I got burned once, I learned that you ALWAYS use your credit card with PP, just in case anything goes wrong, since Paypal WON'T even help you find THEIR thief.:rolleyes:

Yeah, no schit big dog. Just google "paypal customer service" and see what you find. :mad:

They suck.

Cliffy

I just wanted to comment from the poor mans standpoint here as someone who has sat on the sidelines for the last couple of years. I'm sure i speak for a bunch of others out here who is disillusioned by all the halfway decent 9500's and G90's being snapped up by resellers or people doing stacks or blends. Even if you have 2 identical PJ's it doesn't seem to be enough...you have to have 3 or 4 and flip them for a profit. I'm not even considering what has happened in this thread but even still...read back over what has been posted. Some one thinks they have been burned on a recent purchase but still has enough wants or needs to comment on this weird transaction. It just seems all the highend stuff is being fought over by a select few. Am i missing something here?

I think you are missing something. You seem to be upset reading about someone buying a projector that I'm assuming you can't afford to buy, but would like to. However, this thread only has to do with swindlers. For all you know, the buyers of all these "halfway decent 9500's and G90's" you refer to might have saved for years before they saved enough to buy one....and then got swindled. Whatever the case might be, that's just the way life is and if it upsets you, you're going to lead a miserable life envying what other people who might earn or have saved more money than you. You have my deepest sympathy.:(

What jamieh doesn't realise is that oliverg is not exactly rich (he has a lot more money than me that's for sure :p ) and has had some very bad luck which he has mentioned on Curt's site.

If he has the money to buy and sell projectors, whether to fund his HT hobby or as a business then good luck to him.

I am glad it looks like things will work out ok, maybe not the best outcome that he would want like getting both the projectors he is trying to buy, but at least 1 is a genuine sale (RHarmon) and as for the smegging bugger on videogon (3728slingshot) at least oilverg can get his money back from his credit card company.

and as for the smegging bugger

Dave, you absolutely slay me ;)

Its ok fellas, all is good here now. I feel much better, since Robert didn't stop talking to me after he got my money. In fact, I've had nothing but offers of help from him. He really is a good guy and IMHO should be given a second chance.

Kind regards

PS If anyone knows a company that knows how to pack CRTs for transport, please post here? They need to go to NJ - I will pay moderately well. (I'm broke now!!!)

Calling myself a poorman was a poor choice of words....it should be a broke man from spending all my money on PJ's, my two other hobbies and my sons university fee's!:eek:
I never meant any disrespect to Oliverg and i pm'd him to say that lastnite.
But yes...i do have G90 and 9500 envy and my wife is calling the shrink to get me help as we speak.:D

Well, for all those interested - the original seller (3728slingshot) on Videogon has been reported to officially to the FBI.

Won't be long now :) I'll keep everyone informed. Apparently the guy takes a lot of people's money and just doesn't ever bother to reply to them. Funny thing, is that sometimes he delivers - so he might not be a scam artist, just a looney-toon!

While I don't know how Paypal works out of the U.S., here, when you go to pay someone, it defaults to your "attached" bank account, UNLESS you specifically change it to use your credit card.Simple solution: NEVER give the slimy b******s your bank account. The only way Paypal gets money from me is through a credit card, so the credit card company can burn THEM if they try to burn ME.

Good luck, Oliver! Hope the FBI crucifies the "smegging bugger." :)

Simple solution: NEVER give the slimy b******s your bank account. The only way Paypal gets money from me is through a credit card, so the credit card company can burn THEM if they try to burn ME.

Good luck, Oliver! Hope the FBI crucifies the "smegging bugger." :)

Thanks Gary :)

Yes, I love it - someone said it before. PayPal don't even help you find THEIR thief. You've already paid PayPal - THEY paid the seller. So technically, it should be their problem. If they aren't going to help you by going to the relevant authorities, what's the point talking to them at all.

If I didn't have someone that could help me through the process, well - lets say I just can't imagine how people deal with it all - you ring the police local to you - you get the cold shoulder. You talk to the authorities in the juridstiction of the seller, same deal. No-one wants to help you, they are all trying to fob you off to someone else. PayPal SHOULD IMHO be providing a package service. If either the buyer or the seller get ripped off, PayPal should pay and then chase down the criminals - normal people don't usually have to deal with these type of issues, whereas PayPal's helpless desk (and those behind the scene) should be used to it - there should be procedures in place. Maybe there are, but I haven't seen any evidence of action by PP so far.

I've read a lot on the web over the last few days about sellers wanting to get rid of chargebacks. But then people like me would really be in deep. Chargebacks aren't just automatically 'done' - there is a process that needs to happen, including proof given to the credit card company that you have actively tried to recover the money/goods yourself. It isn't an easy, magical process.

Kind regard

Thanks Gary :)

Yes, I love it - someone said it before. PayPal don't even help you find THEIR thief. You've already paid PayPal - THEY paid the seller. So technically, it should be their problem. If they aren't going to help you by going to the relevant authorities, what's the point talking to them at all.

If I didn't have someone that could help me through the process, well - lets say I just can't imagine how people deal with it all - you ring the police local to you - you get the cold shoulder. You talk to the authorities in the juridstiction of the seller, same deal. No-one wants to help you, they are all trying to fob you off to someone else. PayPal SHOULD IMHO be providing a package service. If either the buyer or the seller get ripped off, PayPal should pay and then chase down the criminals - normal people don't usually have to deal with these type of issues, whereas PayPal's helpless desk (and those behind the scene) should be used to it - there should be procedures in place. Maybe there are, but I haven't seen any evidence of action by PP so far.

I've read a lot on the web over the last few days about sellers wanting to get rid of chargebacks. But then people like me would really be in deep. Chargebacks aren't just automatically 'done' - there is a process that needs to happen, including proof given to the credit card company that you have actively tried to recover the money/goods yourself. It isn't an easy, magical process.

Kind regard

Wow. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Pieces of crap....... :mad:

Cliff

But yes...i do have G90 and 9500 envy and my wife is calling the shrink to get me help as we speak.:D


Join the club.....right Cliffy?

Check out this paypal site:
http://paypalsucks.com/

You know paypal is shaddy when they want your bank account number. Hope those who gave theirs that their money stays in the bank.

I hate using paypal but I've been forced to use them for a few small purchases. I have a bank account with $117 that I used to set paypal up with. This way they can never tap into my "real" account and cause trouble.

They want your bank account so they can pull money out if you do a chargeback!

The funny thing is, they encourage you to use your bank account to make purhcases "for your safety - don't leave your credit cards details on the internet where they can be misused" - they are basically admitting that your details aren't secure

But the main reason is that you can't do a chargeback!

If the system wasn't flawed, it is actually quite convenient to use PayPal. Until now, I used it without hesitation and for 3 years it has been great.

http://cgi.*********/Sony-G90-G-90-1080P-Ultimate-CRT-Projector_W0QQitemZ150159666937QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32862QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.*********/Sony-G90-G-90-1080P-Ultimate-CRT-Projector_W0QQitemZ150159666606QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32862QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.*********/Sony-G90-G-90-1080P-Ultimate-CRT-Projector_W0QQitemZ150159661186QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32862QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Three more on ebay hahaha... cant get links to work on forum

http://cgi.*********/Sony-G90-G-90-1080P-Ultimate-CRT-Projector_W0QQitemZ150159666937QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32862QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.*********/Sony-G90-G-90-1080P-Ultimate-CRT-Projector_W0QQitemZ150159666606QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32862QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Three more on ebay hahaha... cant get links to work on forum


Wierd, I can't seem to find them. I searched on G90 .. Sony G90 etc but no dice - even 'crt projector' shows only one

Likely ebay removed them.

Wierd, I can't seem to find them. I searched on G90 .. Sony G90 etc but no dice - even 'crt projector' shows only one

All you have to do is copy the "item number" from the URL's posted above. But in this case, they seem to have been removed already (as mentioned above). Good job, eBay! :D

Scam season is a 12 month season, btw. :(

Are you guys certain that you can actually open up a paypal account without a bank tied to it? I thought it required it.

You almost can't do business on the internet without paypal these days. I don't accept any other form of payment even any longer because I just refuse to sit and wait for that check that's promised in the mail or whatever.

Troy

My patpal has no bank account. Just a credit card. Downside might be you can't take money out (I have never tried), so when I sell things I generate a small balance. I just use that as a warchest for future purchases.

I find it annoying beyond belief when sellers refuse any payment other than paypal, yesterday I got an e-mail from an Australian seller on fleabay about a PCI-Express graphics card I was thinking of buying, I asked if he would accept direct deposit and he said as stated in his listing he only uses paypal because 'it is better for his business', well he won't be getting a sale from me, how is that better for his business?

If a seller can't wait for a direct deposit to show up in their account or a money order or a cheque to show up in the mail they are being impatient, ironically they are probably the first to complain about getting e-mails from buyers asking why their item hasn't arrived the day after they have paid for it.

If my money as a buyer is not good enough unless it is sent by paypal then the seller isn't good enough for my money.

Why do sellers insist on paypal when there are so many ways the seller can be scammed (some examples are in this thread) as opposed to a money order or direct deposit which means you get paid in a way that can't be reversed?

I say boycott paypal and insist on direct deposit or money orders, it may take a little longer but will save a lot of headaches and time wasted from buyers who use paypal to scam the seller.

I am patient enough to wait the time it takes for my payment to get to the seller and then the time it takes for my item to arrive, I expect the same patience from the seller, do unto others and all that (I'm not religious by the way).

Why do sellers insist on paypal when there are so many ways the seller can be scammed

I don't insist on Paypal but I encourage its use. Accepting Paypal tends to increase sales and boost prices, simply because bidders can use their credit cards.

I say boycott paypal and insist on direct deposit or money orders, it may take a little longer but will save a lot of headaches and time wasted from buyers who use paypal to scam the seller.


Money orders are fine with me but they can be faked also. In my auctions I treat all money orders like personal checks - I will wait until it clears before shipping. The only exception would be a USPS money order that I can cash at the Post Office.

Direct Deposit? You mean wire the money? I will never, ever buy from someone who insists on wire deposit. As little protection as Paypal offers, you have absolutely no protection with wire deposits. Insisting on a wire deposit is a sure sign of a scammer.

Direct Deposit? You mean wire the money? I will never, ever buy from someone who insists on wire deposit. As little protection as Paypal offers, you have absolutely no protection with wire deposits. Insisting on a wire deposit is a sure sign of a scammer.

Besides being EXPENSIVE, receiving or paying with Paypal on international shipments gives you NO PROTECTION, even when using a credit card. The credit card companies make that clear and we know the help that Paypal will give you.

As for bank to bank wire transfers (not Western Union), they give you the BEST protection for fraud, especially transfers within the U.S., since the bank are required to obtain basic information when an account is opened. In addition, the money trail is at least traceable if law enforcement does get involved.

I was mostly referring to direct deposits within your own country as they are safe, for international payment a Western Union money order works fine, sure they can be faked but I don't expect the seller to send my item on sight of the money order, he is welcome to cash it first then send my item (it's what I would do).

the money trail is at least traceable if law enforcement does get involved.

My experience with law enforcement getting involved is that they could really care less about you being ripped off.

Now, try driving without a seatbelt and they are on it right now. Question for them seems to be 'will it make money for the government' not so much 'justice'.

Direct Deposit? You mean wire the money? I will never, ever buy from someone who insists on wire deposit. As little protection as Paypal offers, you have absolutely no protection with wire deposits. Insisting on a wire deposit is a sure sign of a scammer.I don't understand this. Wire transfers are a direct electronic transfer of funds. That's the way banks transfer money. If you get a wire transfer, there was CASH in the sending account, and you now have that CASH in your account. As far as I know there's no way for the sender to get it back unless you transfer it back to him. Especially if you immediately move the funds into another account. How would a scammer use that? Am I missing some feature of wiring funds?

Some scammers try to get complete banking details (see e.g. http://www.exportbureau.com/bank_transfer_fraud.html) and supposedly they can use this information to withdraw funds from your account -- probably with an ACH debit like utility companies &etc use to debit your account. In theory you shouldn't give that out to anyone you don't trust. Of course, every time you write a check you're giving out enough information to make an ACH debit (hard to believe it's that easy!!). If you keep the account *EMPTY* except for funds that get wired in, I don't see how they could do much with it.

But that's ACH transfers. With a genuine wire transfer, e.g. a S.W.I.F.T. transfer, it would be hard to abuse it. The only way I can think is if the scammer has a stolen account, and wires somebody else's money to you; then they might consider you to be receiving stolen goods and take the funds back.

Can anybody explain why you shouldn't trust a S.W.I.F.T. transfer?

As far as I know there's no way for the sender to get it back unless you transfer it back to him.

What you say is true. As a seller I don't mind receiving money via wire transfer. As a buyer, I refuse to send money that for the very reasons you state - it is unrecoverable. The bank will not help you out in any way. That is why scammers ask for wire transfers.

Can anybody explain why you shouldn't trust a S.W.I.F.T. transfer?

There's NO REASON not to trust a SWIFT or ACH transfer if you're receiving it as a seller. As a buyer, if it becomes necessary, at least law enforcement can track the money and it's pretty difficult to set up a phony bank account today.:)

Western Union wire transfers are fine for the seller, because it's the SENDER (buyer) that usually gets screwed.:rolleyes:

What you say is true. As a seller I don't mind receiving money via wire transfer. As a buyer, I refuse to send money that for the very reasons you state - it is unrecoverable. The bank will not help you out in any way. That is why scammers ask for wire transfers.Ah. You DID say you wouldn't *BUY* from somebody who demanded a wire, didn't you?? Duh. :) You started out talking about your auctions, and then switched gears in mid-post. Gave me whiplash. :p