**** OCTOBER 19th UPDATE ****

It turns out that the demo of GT5: Prologue is free, and it is available for download on the Japanese Playstation Network right now! You get...

- One track, the famous Suzuka course
- Race against 15 computer opponents (no online play)
- A choice of seven cars to drive:

Lexus IS-F
Nissan GT-R
Mazda Atenza
Subaru Impreza WRX STI
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
Daihatsu OFC-1
BMW 135i Coupe

NIIIICE! Time to dust off the old DFP

Very nice!

Woah, I was expecting to pay for this. This is a nice gift. Hopefully it has a wee bit more content than the demo last year.

Sweet!

While I hope it's true I'm not sure something wasn't lost in the translation!
It went from Japanese to German to English, there's a lot of possibilities for a mistake there!

While I hope it's true I'm not sure something wasn't lost in the translation!
It went from Japanese to German to English, there's a lot of possibilities for a mistake there!

That is most likely the case. KY said it will also on bluray so why would they give it free then?

ps:Rumor has been spreading across web,but it is not first time gaming sites do not double check sources. Or at least they could use some common sense.

FREE??!! Wasn't expecting that one....

From the same article. I sure hope damage modeling comes as well as online.

These updates will typically come packaged in with PS3 system updates, Yamauchi said, and in addition to AI upgrades, it's possible that additional improvements, such as damage modeling, could be a part of a future update to the game somewhere down the line. As for online racing, based on what we've seen it seems like it's going to be a part of GT 5 Prologue. We say "seems" because Yamauchi gave a rather cryptic answer when asked about the online features in the game, stating in essence that "the basics are there" for what fans would expect from online features in a racing game. Perhaps we'll learn more about those online features at the Tokyo Game Show as well.

Wow. This is surprising. I needed some good news after the initial Lair and HS reviews.

This will be a showcase game to demonstrate what the system is capable of for sure.

This makes since. I imagine it will be just like satellite companies. Give the customer a free satellite dish knowing they will pay for the channels. We will get the game for free then visit the in game dealership to purchases cars from the Playstation network. If they do the pricing right then I am ok with this. Will Sony's pricing be a little high? I have a feeling it will. It may cost you a $100 dollars to buy all of the cars :eek:.

any ETA on release?

Before the end of the year. Maybe by October because of some car show it will be featured at.

Sweet deal

From the same article. I sure hope damage modeling comes as well as online.
Didn't you start a thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=896467)stating that it would?

Of course its free, why would they charge for a demo of Gran Turismo 5?

Didn't you start a thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=896467)stating that it would?

Indeed I did but this puts a big ? on it. Now they are saying it may come in a patch? Strange.

Of course its free, why would they charge for a demo of Gran Turismo 5?

Because many of us would pay for it.

Of course its free, why would they charge for a demo of Gran Turismo 5?

The charged 20000 yen or 30000 yen for the PS2 GT4 Prologue. My friend brought a copy from japan a while back

well see...if not im pretty sure lots of us will buy it...

paying money for a demo?? *shudders*

Will GT5, finally, have collison damage? What about realistic weather? These two missing elements have been the bain of previous GT series existance. Please, Please, Please! have crash damage. I hate competing with cars that bounce off walls.

Indeed I did but this puts a big ? on it. Now they are saying it may come in a patch? Strange.
I had heard the patch story long before I read the link in your other thread. I assumed that news was newer.

Regardless, if they're going to do damage, then they must do it right. I'd rather not have damage at all and focus solely on the driving than having a damage model that feels tacked on. I've slammed head-on into another car doing 150+ in Forza 2 and, save for some cosmetic damage, the car was no worse for the wear. Damage for the sake of damage is worthless....it needs to be realistic! I realize how much time, effort, and console resources this can take but if you're going to do it, DO IT RIGHT!

That's what PD said they were doing - getting the damage done right, which is why it will likely be a delayed patch after GT5 launches next year.

Regardless, if they're going to do damage, then they must do it right. I'd rather not have damage at all and focus solely on the driving than having a damage model that feels tacked on. I've slammed head-on into another car doing 150+ in Forza 2 and, save for some cosmetic damage, the car was no worse for the wear.

You had the Forza 2 damage model set to "cosmetic," then. Or you were playing the demo, where cosmetic is the only option.

Set the damage model to simulation in Forza 2, and the car wouldn't be drivable. Even small bumps into a wall will mess with the alignment and cause the car to pull to one side until you can get to the pits. You can definitely end up with a completely useless car after an accident with the damage set to simulation or even limited. I've had cars where the transmission and engine were so bad that I could only drive in reverse, doing 3mph max. Open up the telemetry and you can see the huge list of items that can be damaged on each car. Each item has a percentage next to it. Even small front collisions can damage the cooling system, leave the engine smoking (obscuring the road for the racers behind you), and cut horsepower by a large percentage.

GT5 would do well to study Forza's damage model. It does a good job at penalizing for accidents while still keeping the game fun.

paying money for a demo?? *shudders*

It's way more than your average 1 track/1 car demo and past prologue's have sold very well.

Here is info on the demo
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/828/828359p1.html

This sneak peak will feature a total of seven cars:
# 2008 Lexus IS-F

# 2009 Nissan GT-R

# 2008 Mazda Atenza

# 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STi

# 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR

# 2008 Daihatsu OFC-1

# 2009 BMW 135i Coupe

how many gb will it take up? maybe i should pick up 80 gb version instead.

Full info, hi-jacked from the Guru's at Neogaf. Remember Oct 20th in Japan will be Friday night into Saturday morning in the states. No word on size, I'm expecting at least a gig.

http://rocketpunchautoblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/breaking-official-gt5-prologue-free.html


In coordination with the 40th Tokyo Motor Show,The limited Gran Turismo 5 Prologue free demo will synchronize with manufacturer's unveil events on the show floor to provide players the latest information and updates to the demo. In addition, live reports of the motor show and motor sport related news can also be downloaded through the demo.

Delivery:

* An exclusive download title for the Playstation 3 with Playstation Store online service. Playstation 3 must have a Internet connection in order to download.

* Demo cannot be downloaded with a personal computer or install from other memory media.

Availability:

* Available to download from Oct. 20th, 2007 to Nov. 11th, 2007

Content:

* Demo will include 7 playable cars as follows:
o Lexus IS-F
o Nissan GT-R
o Mazda Atenza
o Subaru Impreza WRX STI
o Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
o Daihatsu OFC-1
o BMW 135i Coupe

* Demo will include 1 course -Suzuka

* Player mode:
o Single player mode with races up to 16 cars.
o No Online play for the demo.

* In coordination with the 40th Tokyo Motor Show, new cars will be unveil in game between Oct. 23 to Oct. 25

* In game video contents included:
o Gran Turismo TV with previews and reports.
o Show floor reports direct from the 40th Tokyo Motor Show through Gran Turismo TV.
o Motor Sport related news.

its a Demo of a demo and most likely charge for the prologue. =(

Its a couple cars and one track... why would you charge for a demo like that? Has anyone else charged for demos? (PC, Live or PSN?)

I thought prolough was a mini game to get the masses ready but it sounds like a standard demo. Am I missing something?

That's awsome that there are cars they can't disclose yet until they're unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show!!

Its a couple cars and one track... why would you charge for a demo like that? Has anyone else charged for demos? (PC, Live or PSN?)

I thought prolough was a mini game to get the masses ready but it sounds like a standard demo. Am I missing something?
This IS the demo, not Prologue.

how many gb will it take up? maybe i should pick up 80 gb version instead.

Why, the PS3s harddrive is fully upgradeable, if you need more space down the road you can buy any 2.5" SATA harddrive (aka a laptop harddrive) that's 250gb or less and it will work just fine.

Its a couple cars and one track... why would you charge for a demo like that? Has anyone else charged for demos? (PC, Live or PSN?)

I thought prolough was a mini game to get the masses ready but it sounds like a standard demo. Am I missing soemthing?

LOL, they aren't charging for the demo. They are charging for Gran Turismo 5: Prologue, which is a full game featuring 5 tracks, 50 cars, + online play, etc. It will be released Dec. 13.

The demo we are talking about is a demo of the game I just described.

LOL, they aren't charging for the demo. They are charging for Gran Turismo 5: Prologue, which is a full game featuring 5 tracks, 50 cars, + online play, etc. It will be released Dec. 13.

The demo we are talking about is a demo of the game I just described.

See I was missing something! Got thrown off by the orignal post:


The game is due for release on the PlayStation Network as a free download later this year.


Then I read this:


Content:

* Demo will include 7 playable cars as follows:
o Lexus IS-F
o Nissan GT-R
o Mazda Atenza
o Subaru Impreza WRX STI
o Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
o Daihatsu OFC-1
o BMW 135i Coupe

* Demo will include 1 course -Suzuka

* Player mode:
o Single player mode with races up to 16 cars.
o No Online play for the demo.

* In coordination with the 40th Tokyo Motor Show, new cars will be unveil in game between Oct. 23 to Oct. 25

* In game video contents included:
o Gran Turismo TV with previews and reports.
o Show floor reports direct from the 40th Tokyo Motor Show through Gran Turismo TV.
o Motor Sport related news.


Somehow omiting the word DEMO :)

It can be somewhat confusing when you're twice removed from the game itself!

A demo of a preview of a full game?!

A demo of a preview of a full game?!Guess that makes GT:HD a preview of a demo of a prologue to the full game?!

Demo of the prologue of the full game is free.

Guess that makes GT:HD a preview of a demo of a prologue to the full game?!

Now my head hurts :mad:

Guess that makes GT:HD a preview of a demo of a prologue to the full game?!

I even think the Eiger Norwand course from GT:HD will be included in Prologue as well, so your probably right!

I don't know if anyone's seen this, but here is kind of a confirmation of a NA version of Prologue.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/

Adding to the appeal of the new retail pricing is the great PS3 lineup that will help further drive our momentum this holiday, including Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, THE EYE OF JUDGMENT, Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune, Heavenly Sword, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Assassin’s Creed, Haze and Rock Band. And that’s just the beginning: This holiday lineup will be followed in 2008 by highly-anticipated Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Grand Theft Auto IV, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet and, of course, PlayStation Home.

It thought gtaV was delayed till 08?

the NA version was never scheduled for a 2007 release, only the Japanese version (which is still going to be released in 2007). you probably can't buy GT5 P from the Japan store, but at least you can get the demo. :D

i can't wait for the demo!

Why, the PS3s harddrive is fully upgradeable, if you need more space down the road you can buy any 2.5" SATA harddrive (aka a laptop harddrive) that's 250gb or less and it will work just fine.

Thanks, I will do that instead.
Any other difference btw 40 gb and 80 gb version??

I read about ee chip in 60 gb, that can play older ps2 games, which I don't care for. 80 gb use emulator? what is that.

. you probably can't buy GT5 P from the Japan store, but at least you can get the demo. :D!


You can buy it from the JP store using japanese PSN cards purchased from importers like www.ncsx.com using US money. :D

You can buy it from the JP store using japanese PSN cards purchased from importers like www.ncsx.com using US money. :DCouldn't find the PSN cards there. But, their games are pretty damn expensive compared to Play-Asia or Games-Asia....

Is there any info anywhere about creating a Japanese PSN account? Do you simply create a new user account on the PS3 and go from there?

Is there any info anywhere about creating a Japanese PSN account? Do you simply create a new user account on the PS3 and go from there?

I used this web page (http://ps3mods.blogspot.com/2007/06/create-japan-psn-account.html) to set up my Japan account today.

Prologue is a "full fledged" game. Not a demo. Im not a huge GT guy so I dont really care. If GT sells systems it will sell systems on name, not on whether or not it has damage.

Couldn't find the PSN cards there. But, their games are pretty damn expensive compared to Play-Asia or Games-Asia....

I know they used to have them. I'll see if I can find some more sources.

Prologue is a "full fledged" game. Not a demo. Im not a huge GT guy so I dont really care. If GT sells systems it will sell systems on name, not on whether or not it has damage.

I'd call it a demo, its essentially just that for GT5 even if it has a few more bells and whistles than a typical demo has (And costs money).

Newest info puts the release around 12:00 noon Japan time October 20th.

That is only 9 hours from now!

I know they used to have them. I'll see if I can find some more sources.I know they have them at Play-Asia. A tad expensive.
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-19-49-en-15-PSN.html

I'd call it a demo, its essentially just that for GT5 even if it has a few more bells and whistles than a typical demo has (And costs money).Maybe they should take a lesson from Jonathan Mak's Everyday Shooter and call it an "EP" instead of a "prologue" (which would make GT:HD a freely downloadable "single"). Then I wouldn't be so peeved for having to pay money for it. "Prologue" just sounds too, I don't know, preliminary.

So how much is it going to cost?

So how much is it going to cost?

They haven't releases a price in NA or PAL.
In Japan it's going to be 4980 yen(42.80) for a BD version and 4500 yen(38.75) for the PSN download.

so is this being released tomorrow??? or the 24th.

So the full GT5 is going to be around $80? ;)

So the full GT5 is going to be around $80? ;)

That would be very resonable if you think of Lair costing 60.

so is this being released tomorrow??? or the 24th.

The latest new is possibly 11:00pm EST tonight.

Polyphony actually designed part of the new GT-R.

They are car gods.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*#40

Polyphony, creators of Gran Turismo, was contracted to develop the multifunction display which can log dozens of parameters.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/09.nissan.gtr.nurburgring.lap/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.cc.500.jpg

I used this web page (http://ps3mods.blogspot.com/2007/06/create-japan-psn-account.html) to set up my Japan account today.

Wheres the best place to find a Japanese address? Google, Yahoo etc?

Wheres the best place to find a Japanese address? Google, Yahoo etc?www.hotel.com. I'm serious.

www.hotel.com. I'm serious.

Makes sense :) Thanks, I would have never thought of that.

Makes sense :) Thanks, I would have never thought of that.I used hotels for all of my international accounts, except for my EU account. For that one, I used the Buckingham Palace.

And then I received and email that said my free copy of Casino Royale was going to be mailed to me. :(

demo is up on the JPN store!!!

Another question. What does a Japanese zip code look like?

demo is up on the JPN store!!!

*runs to PS3*

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=psnetwork&thread.id=146234

demo is up on the JPN store!!!

I won't be home for almost 3 more hours.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Thanks for the heads up... I'll put it in the first post of the thread.

Damn!!!, I was trying to create an JPN account last night but I kept getting connection errors during the process. I'll have to try again tonight.

Would this be available in the Hong Kong store as well? I've been having problems setting up a Japanese account.

If this demo is a taste of what the game is going to be like, I have to say with out a doubt this will be the best racing sim in the history of gaming. My hats goes out to the Dev's. What a great looking game!!! Impressed I wonder what games are going to look like a year from now. If they are doing this now, think about a year from now my goodness.

I used hotels for all of my international accounts, except for my EU account. For that one, I used the Buckingham Palace.

And then I received and email that said my free copy of Casino Royale was going to be mailed to me. :(

HAHA!!! Good thing Agent Bond is in Her Majesties Royal Service, huh?

Thanks. Downloading now.

Would this be available in the Hong Kong store as well? I've been having problems setting up a Japanese account.

That will probably be my luck :rolleyes: Hopefully it will work for both of us!

lol, so is it free or not? It seems like it's free.

lol, so is it free or not? It seems like it's free.

Of course it's free. It's not the full version of Prologue, just one track.

In car views are in the game, except in the Nissan GT-R as it hasn't been revealed to the public yet.

Somebody needs to post some pics....quick.

:D

For any of your G25 owners this demo fully supports the external H pattern shifter!
Which you cant see in the pic sorry. It is mounted on the right side of the shari by my leg.

http://www.rocks-hideout.com/images/g25/3.JPG

Downloading, G25 all set up and ready... I can't remember the last time I was so excited for a demo.

Downloading, G25 all set up and ready... I can't remember the last time I was so excited for a demo.

I just played my first track using the H patern shifting. It didnt need or use the clutch but I cant tell if there is an option to as I can't read anything. :)

Watching the reply of your race looks damn cool!

Captures of the demo from Gamersyde (http://www.gamersyde.com/news_5372_en.html).

Edited: Nevermind. The links now say "Forbidden" for me.

I cant see your pics but yes you see all the heat distoration watching your race replay totally.

Those pic links appear to be broken makingmusic

Anyone check the Hong Kong store yet?

Captures of the demo from Gamersyde (http://www.gamersyde.com/news_5372_en.html):

http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/6778/1316_0014.jpg

http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/6778/1316_0006.jpg

Is that heat coming off of the road?
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/6779/1316_0024.jpg

I must say....teh jaggiez!1! J/K. :P

I must agree. I've been playing the demo/reading forums for about four and a half hours now, and while I become more and more impressed as I play, the aliasing is the ONLY thing that bothers me about the game. That's probably because I didn't see any aliasing in preview videos.

The gameplay is fantastic though, and the aliasing doesn't really take away from that. You can also see some low res shadows on the dash, but they're not a big deal.

Overall the game is pretty impressive. Like I said, the more I play, the more impressed I am. The AI is actually great this time around, and it makes mistakes on the track! Still looking forward to the final product :D

I cant see your pics but yes you see all the heat distoration watching your race replay totally.

I'm not sure what the problem is. I posted these on another forum as well, and half the people can see them, half can't. I can see them some of the time, but when I refresh they disappear. Then they reappear when I refresh again.

I guess just click the Gamersyde link and look at the pics directly from the site.

Now the links are saying "Forbidden". I'm not sure what the problem is.

I must agree. I've been playing the demo/reading forums for about four and a half hours now, and while I become more and more impressed as I play, the aliasing is the ONLY thing that bothers me about the game. That's probably because I didn't see any aliasing in preview videos.
i have to agree although i don't think its that bad... i think its because they targeted 1080p... if its anything like GT:HD, 720p will have 2xAA. i wish they targeted 720p instead. also, the game seems a little too dark. but other than that, it looks great.

The gameplay is fantastic though, and the aliasing doesn't really take away from that. You can also see some low res shadows on the dash, but they're not a big deal.

Overall the game is pretty impressive. Like I said, the more I play, the more impressed I am. The AI is actually great this time around, and it makes mistakes on the track! Still looking forward to the final product :D
also agree... i had a blast with the demo.

btw, how do you unlock the other cars? do we have to wait?

I am having a problem trying to set up a Japanese account. I have followed the tutorial on IGN and PS3 modding, but after I enter a email address and password some message comes up after(guessing a incorrect message) and it sends me back. I have tried @spam.la(IGN says it works) and my own email. I have also changed the passwords, but no luck. Any help would be appreciated.

I am having a problem trying to set up a Japanese account. I have followed the tutorial on IGN and PS3 modding, but after I enter a email address and password some message comes up after(guessing a incorrect message) and it sends me back. I have tried @spam.la(IGN says it works) and my own email. I have also changed the passwords, but no luck. Any help would be appreciated.

Just keep trying. I got error messages at different stages at the sign up and had to just keep going back until it finally let me through without any problem.

Anyone know how to unlock the other cars? I have won the race in every unlocked car so far.

So much for the myth that GT:HD only looks good due to 1 car on the screen :)

So, game play is 1080p and 60fps, and replay is 720p and 30 fps? I forgot what it was...

Is there any AA during replay?

So, game play is 1080p and 60fps, and replay is 720p and 30 fps? I forgot what it was...

Is there any AA during replay?

Supposedly other processing is added during replay like hdr, aa, etc etc

So much for the myth that GT:HD only looks good due to 1 car on the screen :)

Myth? It's a known fact running through the internet circles. I kid, but seriously, If anyone thinks there is any other racing simulator (consoles) that looks better or is better than GT5 is a flat out troll. GT is the king of console racing simulators like how Halo is king to the console FPS.

Just keep trying. I got error messages at different stages at the sign up and had to just keep going back until it finally let me through without any problem.

Thank you for the quick advice. I just got it to work, as I had to retry many times. I am downloading Prologue and the Kai HS demo.
Although, after I picked my avatar, it showed three dots/options I could select. After trying to pass by it(which just brought me back), I just quit out of it and signed in and it worked and my avatar was there. Anyone know what that was?

After spending some time with it, I can say I'm impressed. Still there are some things left out, and I'm hoping that it's just because it's a demo. For instance:

The game supports the G25 H-shifter, but there's no clutch modeling at all in the game. Even NFS carbon used the clutch to some extent. It would be nice to have an option for it for those of us with a setup that supports it. Also, there's options to configure the logitech wheels except for the G25... Sucks, because I couldn't get the paddle shifters to work. Also, it doesn't recongnize neutral.

Your driver's hands don't move at all in cockpit mode. Also, your vison doesn't look towards the apex of the turn.

A lot of jaggies (are people on 1080p sets experiencing less jaggies, I wonder? I'm on a 1080i set). Still looks amazing. Especially the lighting in cockpit view. The replays seem to be 30fps, though. The particle effects are kinda meh, actually. The car models are of course, stunning.


Physics seem the same as GTHD. Traction still does not affect the stability of your car in a straight line... or maybe the effect is toned some. The available cars don't really have enough horses to test it well.

The AI is awesome. They actually make mistakes and use overtaking techniques a bit.

So far, it looks like GT5 could be the best sim ever...

Edit:
It appears as though the shifter only works on certain cars, while the paddles only work on others...

Why is everyone saying this the "best racing simulator ever". It will probably be the best game ever. This demo alone takes gaming to a new level. The IS-F looks so perfect.

I actually read an article on Edmonds/Insideline about 1 of the first test drives of the new GT-R just before I checked this board. All they talked about was how comfortable the ride was and how FAST it was. I now understand what they were talking about after the playing demo. The car seemed to never loose control.

Why is everyone saying this the "best racing simulator ever". It will probably be the best game ever. This demo alone takes gaming to a new level. The IS-F looks so perfect.

I actually read an article on Edmonds/Insideline about 1 of the first test drives of the new GT-R just before I checked this board. All they talked about was how comfortable the ride was and how FAST it was. I now understand what they were talking about after the playing demo. The car seemed to never loose control.


Easy tiger. Best game ever? That title is reserved for Go Sports Ski. Believe that! :D

How do you race as anything other than the GTR? Do you need to finish in 1st?

How do you race as anything other than the GTR? Do you need to finish in 1st?
You can race with the BMW 135i, the Evo X, and the Daihatsu from the get go. I believe the ISF and the Mazda will be unlocked after they are officially revealed at the Tokyo Motor show.

You can race with the BMW 135i, the Evo X, and the Daihatsu from the get go. I believe the ISF and the Mazda will be unlocked after they are officially revealed at the Tokyo Motor show.
Indeed.

This is simply a fantastic game. The few rough edges present in the demo I'm sure will be cleared up come full release, and perhaps even with Prologue. I am just amazed at the improvement in the AI!! They screw up, occasionally take wrong lines, move to block on the inside, etc. etc. etc! Fantastic!

Also, I hope everybody is driving from the cockpit view :D Nothing like it for driving simulation. The interiors on the 3 viewable cars (can't wait to see the Skyline's after the Tokyo Show) are beautiful. It's especially cool in the rearward view with the dynamic lighting. Getting used to right-hand drive is crazy!

Why, oh why, could there not be an Italian car in the demo?! :p

Also, I hope everybody is driving from the cockpit view :D Nothing like it for driving simulation. The interiors on the 3 viewable cars (can't wait to see the Skyline's after the Tokyo Show) are beautiful. It's especially cool in the rearward view with the dynamic lighting. Getting used to right-hand drive is crazy!

Why, oh why, could there not be an Italian car in the demo?! :p

At first I thought I wouldn't be comfortable with the cockpit view, but after one race it became very natural. Overall, this game looks like it will be outstanding. I really hope Sony releases Prologue in the US.

How is the cockpit view compared to Project Gotham Racing? My power was out for the last 3 hours, so I've just resumed my download.

The game looks great..... really, really great, but I must be the worst driver ever! I am going to have to learn how to use the brakes if I want to get into this game.

How is the cockpit view compared to Project Gotham Racing? My power was out for the last 3 hours, so I've just resumed my download.
It's pretty much the same. You can look left, right, rear, rear left, and rear right. You can't look down. My only gripe with the cockpit mode is that your head doesn't turn towards the apex of the turn (like in GTR2), but it's not a huge issue. The shadows and lighting in cockpit mode look awesome. Your driver's hands don't ever move away from the wheel to shift, though. I'm sure that'll be changed in the full version.

Since too many idiot trolls got my thread closed down, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=925805, I'll take my request here.

Who here among us have image issues with GT5P? I do! It doesn't look bad, but not great. GTHD looks a lot better, and I would like to know why.

Could it be a HDTV set issue?

I setup issue?

A PS3 setting issue?

Post what your setup is IF you have a problem with image quality issues. If you dont, then go jerk off at the beautiful images you've been lucky to receive. For those with image quality issues, post what issues you are having, too. Thanks.

I guess this is the place for childish posting and for you idiot trolls to show what ignorant morons you are, so go for it. Oh, and try to remember, or go learn, why demos are released.

^^Whether or not you are making a legit discussion, it most likely will open up a can of worms and get this thread closed as well. You are asking the same thing here, so what do you think thje outcome will be if some perceived it as antagonistic. I respect your trying to find what is wrong or going on on your end, but it may not be well received. In fact now reading your post again it is trol bait and you say as much yourself knowing all the while.

Since too many idiot trolls got my thread closed down, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=925805, I'll take my request here.

Who here among us have image issues with GT5P? I do! It doesn't look bad, but not great. GTHD looks a lot better, and I would like to know why.

Could it be a HDTV set issue?

I setup issue?

A PS3 setting issue?

Post what your setup is IF you have a problem with image quality issues. If you dont, then go jerk off at the beautiful images you've been lucky to receive. For those with image quality issues, post what issues you are having, too. Thanks.

I guess this is the place for childish posting and for you idiot trolls to show what ignorant morons you are, so go for it. Oh, and try to remember, or go learn, why demos are released.

You do realize it is your own comments and how you are going about it is the reason why your thread was closed. Look at your attitude in thread title and your post here. That is why it was closed.

Since too many idiot trolls got my thread closed down, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=925805, I'll take my request here.

Who here among us have image issues with GT5P? I do! It doesn't look bad, but not great. GTHD looks a lot better, and I would like to know why.

Could it be a HDTV set issue?

I setup issue?

A PS3 setting issue?

Post what your setup is IF you have a problem with image quality issues. If you dont, then go jerk off at the beautiful images you've been lucky to receive. For those with image quality issues, post what issues you are having, too. Thanks.

I guess this is the place for childish posting and for you idiot trolls to show what ignorant morons you are, so go for it. Oh, and try to remember, or go learn, why demos are released.

Can you specify what you mean by "looks horrible"? I notice some jaggies and some strange looking shadows in places, but overall, it looks great. Since this game is basically a demo^2, I'm not worried. You may want to rephrase your post and avoid saying things like "If you dont, then go jerk off at the beautiful images you've been lucky to receive," if you want more positive responses.

IF it's troll bait, fine. Let's see who the idiots are. Who's gonna take the bait?

The questions I ask are legitimate. Anybody who has a problem with the questions I ask is obviously a childish idiot, and I now welcome their ignorance to shine through.

Personally, I feel any person who tries to suppress a problem with a video game is obviously no fan of that game. I'm sensing those I've already labeled 'idiot trolls' are a bunch of XBox360 fanboys trying to prevent PD from finding out about a potential big problem with their game.

Since it appears we cannot have a serious thread topic without the negative, troll-like ignorance and overall rude posting in this forum, I thought to take it to the level we all are obviously used to.

IF it's troll bait, fine. Let's see who the idiots are. Who's gonna take the bait?

The questions I ask are legitimate. Anybody who has a problem with the questions I ask is obviously a childish idiot, and I now welcome their ignorance to shine through.

Personally, I feel any person who tries to suppress a problem with a video game is obviously no fan of that game. I'm sensing those I've already labeled 'idiot trolls' are a bunch of XBox360 fanboys trying to prevent PD from finding out about a potential big problem with their game.

Since it appears we cannot have a serious thread topic without the negative, troll-like ignorance and overall rude posting in this forum, I thought to take it to the level we all are obviously used to.


It's either a problem with the game, a problem with your setup, an issue with your visual cortex processing, or some combination therein. Did that help?:p

HELLO!

Guitar, even though you acknowledge it, you don't get it do you. I abhor when threads are closed, but if I could I would delete your posts and or close the thread. You are doing exactly what you don't want others to do and then you justify it by saying it is OK because it is par for the course.

It's either a problem with the game, a problem with your setup, an issue with your visual cortex processing, or some combination therein. Did that help?:p

It's kind of funny how in a different website I ask and post the same thread, yet all I get is helpful, legitimate responses. Yet, here I get mostly responses from trolls and morons. I guess this place sucks. I guess I shouldn't ask for feedback, input and possible technical help from a bunch of morons.

My mistake. Just ignore me, morons.

It's kind of funny how in a different website I ask and post the same thread, yet all I get is helpful, legitimate responses. Yet, here I get mostly responses from trolls and morons. I guess this place sucks. I guess I shouldn't ask for feedback, input and possible technical help from a bunch of morons.

My mistake. Just ignore me, morons.

Damn how old are you?

Moron here.

This may have been asked already...but when is this demo coming to the north american PSN?

It's kind of funny how in a different website I ask and post the same thread, yet all I get is helpful, legitimate responses. Yet, here I get mostly responses from trolls and morons. I guess this place sucks. I guess I shouldn't ask for feedback, input and possible technical help from a bunch of morons.

My mistake. Just ignore me, morons.

You haven't provided any specifics about the problems you're having. Saying the game "looks horrible" is not exactly technical. How is anyone supposed to help you? Acting like a jerk doesn't help either.

Damn how old are you?

Can't tell by my posts? I'm twelve, just like the rest of you!

Weeeeeee! Insolence is so much fun! Woo-hoo-hoooo!

I'm so bitch'n! I'm so bitch'n! Look how cool I'm being!

It's not a display issue, IMO. It's no AA in the game, so it's jaggy. GT:HD was jaggy too.

It's not a display issue, IMO. It's no AA in the game, so it's jaggy. GT:HD was jaggy too.

GTHD wasn't as jaggy as GT5P. There were some, but it wasn't a game or demo of the next generation of GT game titles. It was a game made to represent the potentials of GT5. Overall, it looks fantastic compared to GT5P.

So, why are the tables now turned? How come you notice the slight jaggies of GTHD, but not horrible graphic quality of GT5P? I know there are more than a dozen people who have my same issues with this game.

Oh, and Tenkaipalm, I don't consider you a moron at all. So far, you one of the 'good guys.'

I apologize for interrupting the childish bickering, but has anyone figured out how to change the gas/brake controls from the right stick up/down to the R2/L2 buttons? I don’t read Kanji, and, at this point, I don’t know how to revert back to the defaults, so I’m hesitant towards making any changes.

Also, when will the new STi become available? It’s funny, this demo encompasses all three cars I am considering purchasing next spring: 135i, Evo X, STi.

I apologize for interrupting the childish bickering, but has anyone figured out how to change the gas/brake controls from the right stick up/down to the R2/L2 buttons? I don’t read Kanji, and, at this point, I don’t know how to revert back to the defaults, so I’m hesitant towards making any changes.

Also, when will the new STi become available? It’s funny, this demo encompasses all three cars I am considering purchasing next spring: 135i, Evo X, STi.

Judging from the game i'd get the 135i :). The Evo X seemed surprisingly sluggish, then again, its just a game.

Can't tell by my posts? I'm twelve, just like the rest of you!

Weeeeeee! Insolence is so much fun! Woo-hoo-hoooo!

I'm so bitch'n! I'm so bitch'n! Look how cool I'm being!

Relax. People are trying to help you, but all your doing is making things worse. Instead of making a troll baiting thread title like "GT5 looks horrible", you could of simply stated "GT5 jaggiez to the moon" or something less offensive that gets your point across. Go into the xbox forum and make a thread title "HALO3 looks horrible" and see how far that gets you.

Also, when will the new STi become available? It’s funny, this demo encompasses all three cars I am considering purchasing next spring: 135i, Evo X, STi.

Kind of off topic, but I would stick with the STI. Mitsubishi and BMW (I have owned both) have horrible reliability. Not sure if that's a concern to you or not, but it is to me when I purchase a vehicle.

Kind of off topic, but I would stick with the STI. Mitsubishi and BMW (I have owned both) have horrible reliability. Not sure if that's a concern to you or not, but it is to me when I purchase a vehicle.

Yes, that is a concern, but I will ultimately go with the car that's the most fun to drive. I'll have another car for a daily driver, so I can handle having the car in the shop.

The STi will probably be the most reliable, but my wife really, really hates the hatchback. I'm also less than impressed with the new seats and overall lack of drivetrain improvements, slower steering rack than other markets, etc.

The X worries me because of the new 4B11 instead of the 4G63. I do like the new (for america) AYC and ASC, as well as the looks. Also, .97 lateral grip stock is pretty impressive, but it's supposed to be slower in a straight line than the IX--not good.

The 135i will be the least practical but the most luxurious and carry the best "image", not that I really care. The N54 has been out for a while in the 3 series and up, and the chasis has been out for a while overseas. A great engine and RWD will be fun, but, as you said, reliability does concern me. I would get a pretty low tech 135i with only the sports package though.

In the end, I'll just have to drive them all. SORRY FOR THE OT RANT, BUT I LOVE CARS MORE THAN GAMES! ;)

SORRY FOR THE OT RANT, BUT I LOVE CARS MORE THAN GAMES! ;)

ME TOO. The post is very informative for people who haven't done their research on these three vehicles. If the EVO is like the previous predecessor (8 or was it 9? same thing), it should definately be the best handling/most fun out of the bunch. I test drove both the STi/EVo when they were first released in NA and the only two things I liked about the Evo over the Sti was the handling + exterior aesthetics. The Sti's clutch/tranny/shifting was alot smoother and the interior was nicer. IIRC the Evo used the old Eclipse GSX tranny? Which would explain why the tranny is horrible.

Anyhoo, I can't wait to go back home and fire up the GT5P demo, R&C and others that I've been missing out on for the last two months.

The Sti's clutch/tranny/shifting was alot smoother and the interior was nicer. IIRC the Evo used the old Eclipse GSX tranny?

No, completely different transmission in the Evo. The Evo transmission is much stronger.

The new Lancer has a much nicer interior than the old Lancer.

I can't stand what they did to the new STI. It looks like an older Hyundai hatchback. :( So sad.

It's not a display issue, IMO. It's no AA in the game, so it's jaggy. GT:HD was jaggy too.

Agreed, I saw no AA in 1080P or 720P mode. But 1080P (1280x1080 it was reported) is still quite clean. Lots of "next gen" games are under 720P let alone over it, remember Halo3 is 640P no AA.

These racing games are still a big bore, give me Motorstorm any day of the week.

I don't understand the people saying that GT5P looks horrible. I've seen most of the racing games on all 3 of the systems and if GT5P looks horrible, what do we call the other racing games? On top of that, like other people have said, this is a demo to a demo of a full game, obviously it will look much better when GT5 comes out. That said, again GT5P looks better than Need for Speed, Ridge Racer, PGR4, Forza and it's a freaking demo.

I apologize for interrupting the childish bickering, but has anyone figured out how to change the gas/brake controls from the right stick up/down to the R2/L2 buttons? I don’t read Kanji, and, at this point, I don’t know how to revert back to the defaults, so I’m hesitant towards making any changes.

I wanted to do the same thing. What I did was go into the options, the middle controller icon (I assume the left icon is for rumble!) and the moved the cursor down the right hand column until 'X' was highlighted. Took note of the selected option, and moved up to R2 and selected the same option. then did the same for the 'SQUARE' and L2.

There is an option on the lower left (next to what I assume is CANCEL and OK...this would most likely restore defaults.

Tom

Played the demo for about an hour and 10mins. Initial impressions:

-Graphics in game are good but not mindblowing. Doesn't give you a "WOW!" effect. The enviornment needs a lot of work. Car models are good.
-I hope the tire screeching noise is changed. Sound of the cars is fine to me but I'm not a big critic of this.
-In car views are good if you use them! I don't but I know it's a big plus for many. Left side mirror seems to be weird. Not everything renders in the left side mirror. Windshield isn't a windshield. There is nothing there.
- tire smoke and debris kicked up is still quite weak looking. Also the lack of leaving tire marks is unacceptable to me.
- too dark in many parts. Coming out of the spoon curve look to the left for a perfect example.
- shimmering/crawling
- AA still needed. Don't see much AF either.
- N1 tires are absolute ****. Basically like the hardest compound available filled with 60psi! I swear, I've never see a street tire on a decent car this bad. But here's the best part. Yet you can pull over 1G with them.
- R3 set feels good. Makes the demo/driving enjoyable. Stick with it.
- In gauges view, why is my tach needle spinning like a ribbon?
- Framrate needs a lot of work. Running by yourself is fine. In a pack, it's very messy.
- No harsh pentalty for bumper cars or running off road. Made some nice passes on the grass infact.
- Garage stuff looks very nice as do replays.

First of all, I'm glad this is a demo as this gives me hope that issues can be addressed. My personal take is that they should've stuck with 720p 60fps and budget the resources better. I know the GT series has a fanatical following but this demo doesn't scream "OMFG! can't wait for this!." Gives off more a "oh cool!' effect.

When is the demo coming out to US?

I wanted to do the same thing. What I did was go into the options, the middle controller icon (I assume the left icon is for rumble!) and the moved the cursor down the right hand column until 'X' was highlighted. Took note of the selected option, and moved up to R2 and selected the same option. then did the same for the 'SQUARE' and L2.

There is an option on the lower left (next to what I assume is CANCEL and OK...this would most likely restore defaults.

Tom

LOL, that's the same method I just used! Thanks for posting that for others that might want to change the controls as well.

When is the demo coming out to US?

second that, any rumors or am I going to have to make a fake japanese accounts?

I just did some playing around and if I set my display to 1080i and I get alot more jaggies. My TV is native 720p and it looks noticebly better on 720p then 1080i for anyone that hasn't played around with it yet. Of course results may vary. :)

I think it looks great for a DEMO. The final version of GT5 is a WAYS off, so they have plenty of time to iron out the bugs! I own Forza 2 on the 360 and I think this demo looks better than that entire game.

BTW, how do I get to use the IS-F? Or is there a way at all?

TW, how do I get to use the IS-F? Or is there a way at all?

Once Lexus introduced the IS-F in Tokyo Motor Show, it will be unlocked.

Also the lack of leaving tire marks is unacceptable to me.
- too dark in many parts. Coming out of the spoon curve look to the left for a perfect example.
- AA still needed. Don't see much AF either.That's exactly what I'd like to be adressed, too. Apart from that it's my favorite demo so far.

Is there an option to select more than 2 laps for a race anywhere?

I didn't see it in the Hong Kong store last night, so I started creating a Japanesse account but got frustrated and just went back to Warhawk...

GT:5P has 4xMSAA on 720P and 2xMSAA on 1080P. The current jaggies you are seeing are from a issue involving the HDR and AA at the same time, I presume this will be solved by the release of GT:5P.

GT:5P has 4xMSAA on 720P and 2xMSAA on 1080P. The current jaggies you are seeing are from a issue involving the HDR and AA at the same time, I presume this will be solved by the release of GT:5P.

Since the HDR is always on screen, when do you get to see this mythical AA?

Since the HDR is always on screen, when do you get to see this mythical AA?

The problem and the 4xAA has been confirmed by a guy over at B3D called Quaz51.

GT5 prologue demo is 1280x1080p (yamauchi know than in car game the vertical resolution is the most important for the visibility) but with MSAA 2x now ! it's a very good Compromise
they also very Improved the display of grills and electric wires and aliasing problems (compare electric wires in GT-HD and in this demo, it's big big gap), the texture filtering is very clean and the HDR ligthing is awesome! all this in 60fps with 16 photorealistics cars, it's Impressive!

the show room and the pit/garage is full 1920x1080 no AA

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1078611&postcount=583


they improved the 720p mode too, it's MSAA 4x now

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1078614&postcount=584

And the problem.


Could it be HDR? AA averages samples, but where samples are of a highly contrasting amount, the average could still be beyond the bright limit after tone-mapping. eg. If you have one sample white 1.0 and another black 0.0, the average sample would be grey 0.5, adding to AA. Whereas if you're bright spot is of intensity 5.0 in HDR, the average would be 2.5, and if you tone-map that image to 2.0 being the white limit, the averaged sample will be 'overexposed' and rendered white, contributing nothing to AA.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1078651&postcount=590

GT:5P has 4xMSAA on 720P and 2xMSAA on 1080P. The current jaggies you are seeing are from a issue involving the HDR and AA at the same time, I presume this will be solved by the release of GT:5P.
thats a relief. the "aliasing" bugged me, but not a whole lot. its still the best looking racer imo (a little better than GT:HD, especially the car models) but what i'm seeing does not look quite as good as what i've seen in videos. if they sort out that problem, it will be that much more impressive.

btw, is it just me, or are the beyond3d boards down? they've been down all week for me...

thats a relief.

btw, is it just me, or are the beyond3d boards down? they've been down all week for me...

They were down till about 5 days ago for me, and even then they werent down for some people. Try clearing your cache and if that doesn't work youll just have to wait they will come back for you eventually :o

GT:5P has 4xMSAA on 720P and 2xMSAA on 1080P. The current jaggies you are seeing are from a issue involving the HDR and AA at the same time, I presume this will be solved by the release of GT:5P.

significant jaggies seen in gt5 prologue but barely any in GT HD

1080p sony kds-r60xbr2

significant jaggies seen in gt5 prologue but barely any in GT HD

1080p sony kds-r60xbr2

We have been through this already look 2/3 posts up it's a issue with the HDR and AA at the same time nothing to do with your TV.

It seems people are forgetting this is basically a demo of a demo of a game that probably won't be out for another year.....

I like it. The car models are of course fantastic, the best I've seen.

Things I hope to see in the final version (or just Prologue hopefully)
1) Damage
2) Skid marks... what 21st century racing game doesn't have skid marks, I mean come on!

P.S. Why is there no in car view for the Nissan GT-R?

P.S. Why is there no in car view for the Nissan GT-R?

I believe that's because the Nissan GT-R has not been officially revealed yet, the same reason the Lexus and Mazda being locked at this moment.

Once these cars are revealed in the Tokyo Auto Show, which takes place this upcoming week, the cars should be unlocked and the in-car-view should become available.

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The only way we're going to get AA with HDR is if they implement software based HDR, which I would assume would take a rewriting of the game.

As for it looking "horrible", it doesn't. It's just not jaw-dropping like the screenshots. That's something we should come to expect this-gen.

you don't need "software based HDR" with consoles. the PS3 is based on G7x which cannot do higher level HDR and AA, however that limitation is irrelevant with consoles. there are other ways to implement HDR lighting than the traditional PC way. for example, NAO32 which is used in Heavenly Sword is technically HDR and HS has 4xAA.

GT5: P as mentioned earler, does in fact have 2xAA at "1080p" (1280x1080p) and has HDR lighting. 720p is 4xAA + HDR.

Damn how old are you?

I don't know about his age, but the maturity level sure is low. Anyone so in love with a musical instrument simulator as to take that screen name needs to take some real music lessons. Maybe it's just a nice break from Dance Revolution. :D

As for the GTHD versus GT5 graphics, I just went back and looked at them, and I can't see why GTHD would look better. The only thought is if the TV is not calibrated properly. On my setup, GT5 seems to have a greater range of brightness and deeper black level than GTHD. Spots intended to be very dark and "blacker than black" don't usually have much detail in them. If you have your TV/projector black level set improperly, it will make these areas seem gray and grainy. Perhaps that's his problem. (That and maybe he should try finding pants, so he can attract real women.)

**** OCTOBER 19th UPDATE ****

It turns out that the demo of GT5: Prologue is free, and it is available for download on the Japanese Playstation Network right now! You get...

- One track, the famous Suzuka course
- Race against 15 computer opponents (no online play)
- A choice of seven cars to drive:

Lexus IS-F
Nissan GT-R
Mazda Atenza
Subaru Impreza WRX STI
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
Daihatsu OFC-1
BMW 135i Coupe


You've missunderstood. This is the demo of Prologue. As Sony keeps saying, Prologue itself is not a demo but rather, err, a Prologue. GT5 Prologue will cost money when it comes out later this year in Japan.

Guys GTTV is now active. you can download a bunch of stuff. check it out.

Guys GTTV is now active. you can download a bunch of stuff. check it out.

i just noticed but when i click on something i get an error message, cant read it so i dont know what it is

i just noticed but when i click on something i get an error message, cant read it so i dont know what it is

just tried again and the icons showed up and its downloading now

i just noticed but when i click on something i get an error message, cant read it so i dont know what it is

I got same error at first, make you're your logged into the PSN & give it a little time to sync up, it worked for me after a min or so when I retried it.

It's kind of funny how in a different website I ask and post the same thread, yet all I get is helpful, legitimate responses. Yet, here I get mostly responses from trolls and morons. I guess this place sucks. I guess I shouldn't ask for feedback, input and possible technical help from a bunch of morons.

My mistake. Just ignore me, morons.That will be easy since I've just given you a month off.
Enjoy.

Everyone else, please stay on topic.

Thanks,

Kyser

You've missunderstood. This is the demo of Prologue. As Sony keeps saying, Prologue itself is not a demo but rather, err, a Prologue. GT5 Prologue will cost money when it comes out later this year in Japan.

I think you misunderstand but it isn't your fault. The text of the first post here originally had a quote from Microspot that GT5:P was going to be free of charge. That was months ago. I updated the text on 10/19 to reflect that the demo of GT5:P was to be free, which is what you quoted of me. The title of the thread can't be changed unfortunately, but it was true at the time for the info that we had then.

I believe that's because the Nissan GT-R has not been officially revealed yet, the same reason the Lexus and Mazda being locked at this moment.

Once these cars are revealed in the Tokyo Auto Show, which takes place this upcoming week, the cars should be unlocked and the in-car-view should become available.

Actually they JUST released in car (and external) official shots last week

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071016/FREE/71016002/1508/newsletter02

Bit late for the release of this Demo/Prologue...whatever you want to call it

finally took the time to get a japanesse account, i used a tokyo zip code of 103 0013. downloading now.:)

Game looks great and sounds good to me on my setup, I just hope that there is more work done on the Force Feedback and physics before the full release. Compared to Forza2 the subtleties of feeling the tires lose grip is almost nonexistent -- my DFP just feels kinda rubbery in the resistance as I turn off center. There's a good heavy feel to the cars, but no variable feeling of losing grip and regaining. The MS wheel/Forza2 combo so far gives a much more realistic sim feel to me, does the G25 perhaps feel any better? I did choose the right GTDFP wheel in the GT5 setup, but I haven't tried any others to see if that makes the feel different.

you don't need "software based HDR" with consoles. the PS3 is based on G7x which cannot do higher level HDR and AA, however that limitation is irrelevant with consoles. there are other ways to implement HDR lighting than the traditional PC way. for example, NAO32 which is used in Heavenly Sword is technically HDR and HS has 4xAA.

GT5: P as mentioned earler, does in fact have 2xAA at "1080p" (1280x1080p) and has HDR lighting. 720p is 4xAA + HDR.

It isn't really irrelevant with consoles (and NAO32 could be used in PC games as well), because devs that want to use hardware assisted blending in eDRAM, can't; they have use a software blending process via a pixel shader, which takes a lot more work than just using FP16, and isn't really efficient for the Xenos. I don't think we'll ever see NAO32 used anywhere but the PS3.


And if GT5: P uses AA, it's one of the worse implementations I've seen- but then again, I've only played it at 1080i. 4xAA@720p might look better.

Game looks great and sounds good to me on my setup, I just hope that there is more work done on the Force Feedback and physics before the full release. Compared to Forza2 the subtleties of feeling the tires lose grip is almost nonexistent -- my DFP just feels kinda rubbery in the resistance as I turn off center. There's a good heavy feel to the cars, but no variable feeling of losing grip and regaining. The MS wheel/Forza2 combo so far gives a much more realistic sim feel to me, does the G25 perhaps feel any better? I did choose the right GTDFP wheel in the GT5 setup, but I haven't tried any others to see if that makes the feel different.

Yea this is more like GTHD's force feedback, it's a lot softer, GT4 had a lot more feedback but sometimes it was way too much, like the Mulsane straight in a prototype.
Hopefully there will be a middle ground.

There is a weak & strong setting in FF, you haven't been playing with the options without a translation have you?

RSX can do atleast hardware HDR + AA, but it has to be SS AA.

But we wont ever know, cause the RSX isn't a G70 remember, it was modified I presume this would of been one of the big ones.

Also 'theres are more then one way to skin a cat'

RSX can do atleast hardware HDR + AA, but it has to be SS AA.

But we wont ever know, cause the RSX isn't a G70 remember, it was modified I presume this would of been one of the big ones.

Also 'theres are more then one way to skin a cat'
The RSX is/was based on the G7 hardware. No one is sure exactly how modified from it's PC version it is; It appears to be faster than a 7800GT, though, from everything I've read. It doesn't support unified shader architechture, or any of the newer features of the G8 series hardware.

However devs choose to get HDR is fine, but it's become clear with consoles, that trade-offs and workarounds will be the norm to get the next-gen visuals console devs want.

And if GT5: P uses AA, it's one of the worse implementations I've seen- but then again, I've only played it at 1080i. 4xAA@720p might look better.
Quaz at beyond3d confirmed it. Betanumerical mentioned that the "jaggies" are just an issue with the AA and HDR being implemented at the same time. if you actually look at the edges in the game, they are not very aliased. what i see is shimmering and flickery shadows. some people even thought HS had bad aliasing but it uses 4xAA and there are barely any jaggies, but there are flickery shadows.

Yea this is more like GTHD's force feedback, it's a lot softer, GT4 had a lot more feedback but sometimes it was way too much, like the Mulsane straight in a prototype.
Hopefully there will be a middle ground.

There is a weak & strong setting in FF, you haven't been playing with the options without a translation have you?

The only option I changed that I'm not sure of, was the top option in options screen from 'off' to 'on'. Not sure what that one did -- :)

Do you know how to change the FF to strong? FF did feel pretty strong to me with the Evo -- really twitchy moving off center at all, but still not much road feel, just the weight of the car.

Quaz at beyond3d confirmed it. Betanumerical mentioned that the "jaggies" are just an issue with the AA and HDR being implemented at the same time. if you actually look at the edges in the game, they are not very aliased. what i see is shimmering and flickery shadows. some people even thought HS had bad aliasing but it uses 4xAA and there are barely any jaggies, but there are flickery shadows.

I saw the post, he didn't confirm it, he stated it. I see no proof or screenshots.

720P clearly does not have 4x AA, it's an aliased mess IMO. 1080P mode is much cleaner, but saying the HDR breaks the AA is the same as saying it has no AA.

Does anyone know when GT5 Prologue will be on the UK or Australia PSN store? IGN.com says Quarter 1 2008.I created a Japan PSN account and downloaded the demo last night and the game is amazing and probably the best looking game I've seen on the PS3 compared to games like Ninja Gaiden: Sigma, Warhawk, and Ratchet & Clank: Tools Of Destruction. I'm just wondering when the GT5 Prologue will be available for the UK or Australia PSN store for download so I can read the language instead of trying to figure out Japanesse and wonder if any new cars would be in the demo when released in those regions.

I saw the post, he didn't confirm it, he stated it. I see no proof or screenshots.

720P clearly does not have 4x AA, it's an aliased mess IMO. 1080P mode is much cleaner, but saying the HDR breaks the AA is the same as saying it has no AA.
Quaz knows what hes talking about and he knows what hes doing... if he says theres 4xAA/2xAA, its pretty much confirmed. he was the one who found out Halo 3 does not run at 720p and Bungie responded confirming that it doesn't.
i see minimal aliasing, what i'm seeing is shimmering and flickering shadows... maybe you're mistaking that with aliasing, or maybe you're mistaking something else for aliasing.

I dunno... what I'm seeing is aliasing, without a doubt. I'm also seeing the shimmering shadows, but the aliasing is definitely there. What method of HDR is GT5: P using? I'm trying to find if it's using NAO32, but I can't.

Just wanted your opinion fellas, I write for this game website ps3center.net. I just put up a GT 5: Prologue demo impression article. I would appreciate your feedback on it, negative positive etc.

http://www.ps3center.net/story-1109-PCN-Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-Demo-Impressions.html

Nissan GT-R is available in the demo! Load up your game and it should be available with a cool unveiling animation. The Lexus ISF is available too.

Actually they JUST released in car (and external) official shots last week

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071016/FREE/71016002/1508/newsletter02

Bit late for the release of this Demo/Prologue...whatever you want to call it

I stand corrected they have Unvield the GT-R in the game now "officially" and it now has an in car view. Just goes to show how close PD is working with Nissan to have had the interior shots worked into the game before official release, and the pics still didnt get leaked. Good job PD

I have downloaded GT5 prologue through jap store on a jap account, i load the game up and it looks sweet, i goto race and see my car setup options i ok that and it comes up with a loading screen which just sits there loading with the music playing, i left it for 40 minutes the other day waiting and nothing and everytime i press PS button and quit game the console does a reset on me (you know, beep, beep, beep) and goes back to the XMB.
Help me please or is God just punishing me for loving my PS3 more than i do Him.

I have downloaded GT5 prologue through jap store on a jap account, i load the game up and it looks sweet, i goto race and see my car setup options i ok that and it comes up with a loading screen which just sits there loading with the music playing, i left it for 40 minutes the other day waiting and nothing and everytime i press PS button and quit game the console does a reset on me (you know, beep, beep, beep) and goes back to the XMB.
Help me please or is God just punishing me for loving my PS3 more than i do Him.

First, the term "jap" is consider offensive to some Japanese people. Second the game freezes from time to time on the loading screen. It happend to me a couple of times. just reboot and try again.

JDM, more politically correct.

The Subi STi is now unlocked!:D:cool:

don't like the back end of the new Impreza, but it handles nicely (at least in the game :)).

so no word on US release? guess I will create a japanese account tonight then

so no word on US release? guess I will create a japanese account tonight then

Odds are the U.S. demo will show up tomorrow.

Odds are the U.S. demo will show up tomorrow.

That would be nice, then I could read everything in the game instead of just guessing!
I watched the unveiling's several times before I clicked the right button!

But the better news is if they release GT5P demo here that means they will probably release GT5P here too.

That would be nice, then I could read everything in the game instead of just guessing!
I watched the unveiling's several times before I clicked the right button!



Well..that didnt work..lets try this button..LOL. Would be nice to be able to read what Im guessing at..LOL :D

That would be nice, then I could read everything in the game instead of just guessing!
I watched the unveiling's several times before I clicked the right button!

But the better news is if they release GT5P demo here that means they will probably release GT5P here too.

Sony US president already said they are going to release it in the US:cool:


thanks, since I am lazy I will probably give it another day or so