Here's a take on Lair from someone that got their hands on a retail copy.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=lair&thread.id=5167

My mom works for Sony, and she brought home a copy of lair last night.
I quickly slipped it into my trusty PS3, and started playing.
So far I am about half-way through.
LET ME TELL YOU 1 THING:
The reviewers are totally wrong.
I mastered the controls after doing the 5 minute Tutorial.
After that, it was amazing.
Graphics: Amazing
Storyline: Great
Everything is great!
Ask me questions, because I will be on this topic all day.


General-Kinobi said a great thing that I totally agree with:
"basically, f*** reviewers. they'd rather play the same old boring fps / halo / copycat game then try to learn something new. As with anything new, its gonna take some time to get used to the sixaxis motion. but how could riding on a dragon, flying around battlefields that make peter jackson hard, dishing out fire and ice, not be as cool as it sounds? PS3 for life baby." -General-Kinobi
Amen to that, bratha. (btw i'm not religious XD)



All Questions I have answered put together, Including the ones from the GameFaq topic I made for this:
1: What dragons have you unlocked?
Well, for every mission you earn medals. Since I am just trying to beat the game, I am not getting the best medals yet. I think Gold Medals are required to unlock other dragons.

2: Is the game really only 6-8 Hours?
I bet if you were an uber pro and you could beat each mission on your first try, and get a gold medal on each one on the first try, it would be possible to beat in 6-8 hours.
But, for normal people like you and me, It would probably take 12-16 hours just to finish the storyline, and then you have to get all the gold medals, which may take a long time.

3: How would you rate the game? Pro's, cons?
I would rate it a 8.5-9.0

The Pros:

The Motion sensor movement is great. It brings a new aspect to the game, and I feel like its more interactive. Sometimes I just to loop-de-loops just for fun, because it's so entertaining to fly around.

The battles are great, and you basically get to pwn the little soldiers, and you destroy ships and enemy Dragons. Also, they have special goals like "Take Bombs from the Carrier monsters and blow up the city (thats real, and its really fun)."
The different things you can do in the battles is good too. You can Land on the ground and charge into enemies.
You can take the skies and Incinerate catapults and ships from afar.
And you can Get close and personal in Scratching battles against other dragons, which includes different Button Key Combos that create strong attacks and kill the enemy Dragons.

Also, the graphics... oooo the graphics. My TV is old, so It doesn't have HDMI... but the graphics are still amazing. In battle and in Cutscenes, I feel like I'm really there.

There are more to tell and I will continue updating this post.

Cons:

It's pretty difficult. I was stuck on a level that is really hard, which includes having to dodge spotlights, which if see you, you would be shot on sight, and it's not all easy to dodge the lights. Then you have to single handedly take out at least 50 dragons. Frustrating to have to do that over and over and still lose.
Also, one thing about battles is the Lock On System. When i lock on to something, and I kill it, my camera suddenly spins to the way my controller is facing. Annoying, and I lose my sense of direction.


4: Have you fought any bosses yet?
I defeated a Sea Boss.
It was really great. Basically, you have to dodge his attacks with the mosion sensor, then you counterattack at the exact right time with the analog sticks and the D-pad/face keys. Was challenging and fun.


5: So have you run into the "repetitiveness" that everyone complains about?
It is slightly Repetitive... but not in a way that makes it boring.
I find it interesting because every battle has a different feel to it, and different things to accomplish.

6: When you're battling on ground as the dragon, do you have to use the Six-axis? Or can you set it to analog sticks? I have no problem with using Six-axis while flying, but on ground swording troops, I'd rather use the sticks.
Actually, When you land on the ground, you dont actually dismount. You just whack troops with your tail and flame em up with your fire, and you can like charge into them and it has Slo-Mo when you do something cool. And to answer your question, That doesn't include SixAxis, it's just the D-pad and the face buttons.

7: Is there some kind of multiplayer in Lair?
Sadly, no. But the producers said that if there is a sequel, there most likely will be.

8: hey dude, can I come over?
No. What can I say? I'm selfish! I want it allll to myself!


Pictures for general Proof:
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00002.jpg - That the box
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00003.jpg - That's the manual thing
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00004.jpg - That's the CD
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00005.jpg - another CD pic
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00006.jpg - Also a Warhawks Box Pic XD

Pictures of the Back of the CD Case
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00007.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00008.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00009.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00010.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00011.jpg

Pictures of my TV with the game inside
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00012.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00013.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00014.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00015.jpg

My mom works for Sony, and she brought home a copy of lair last night.
I quickly slipped it into my trusty PS3.


:D

Honestly who talks like this.

cool to read but

My mom works for Sony, and she brought home a copy of lair last night.

and you basically get to pwn the little soldiers

lol?

I think he used "great" 6 times in that "review", but still good to hear someone else's take on it, although it should be taken with a grain of salt.

i was hoping he'd take a couple of gameplay shots, but no love.

Yeah, needs to be taken with a grain of salt because he doesn't have years of experience as a reviewer which magically gives him a completely objective and correct opinion on all games released. :rolleyes:


I'm glad to see someone playing it and having a great time with it. I'd imagine the game will surprise some people when they play it after the mediocre reviews.

WEll thank God that this kid has single-handedly proven everybody else is wrong because his mom works at Sony. You'd think he'd have better information about what's going on at Sony besides a "review" of Lair. I give this kid's review 1 smack on the head out of 5.

I was a kid once, and remember how stupid I was. There is no way I trust his review. I mean, kids like Power Rangers, Yu-gi-oh, Bratz, and other stuff. I'll wait for real reviews.

Yeah, needs to be taken with a grain of salt because he doesn't have years of experience as a reviewer which magically gives him a completely objective and correct opinion on all games released. :rolleyes:




yes, that's exactly what i said.

Why do so many people seem to need to validate their gaming experience with reviewers? So many people seem to think that these reviewers actually decide whether the game will be good or not. People will be looking forward to a game, and as soon as a mediocre review comes out it seems that the single review is empirical evidence that the game is an unplayable piece of **** that should never see the light of day. And the people who are still interested in the game in spite of the poor reviews can't just accept is as a difference of opinion, they need to validate it by discrediting the reviewer. "He's a huge 360 fanboy, so he must have reviewed the game poorly because he wants to see the ps3 fail and knows that everyone reading this review is a mindless zombie who won't look past these words".

Do people have personal taste and sense of opinion anymore? It seems to me like to many people base their opinions on those of others, especially anyone that could be considered an 'expert' because he happens to get paid to write about and play games. Is it possible that these people play so many games that they get somewhat burnt out on them that they don't really enjoy a game until that earthshattering mold breaking game comes out? Could the sites be scaling back scores to make it look like they're harder on games and gain a better reputation? It is a possibility, and those are a few of the reasons I don't base my opinions on reviews. I think reviews are great when I don't know a whole lot about a game, I can read about the concept, how it works, if there are any serious bugs or issues, and whether the reviewer had an enjoyable time with it. Just because he didnt' doesn't mean I won't.

What happened to playing a game before you make a decision on whether or not you like it? I guess it's too much work, it's be much easier to listen to someone give their opinion, take it as irrefutable fact, go on about how this game is a disgrace to the bluray disc and sony console and wait until some game scores a couple of 9.0s, pick it up, and praise it to be the second coming of jesus christ.

If games were free, or even cheap, then I'd totally agree with you. But the fact that we're supposed to blindly spend 60 dollars on a game means that we're going to see what public opinion thinks before buying it. Example: I've rented plenty of movies that got C's and D's from review sites knowing that I'd only be out a couple bucks. There is no way I'm spending 50-60 dollars on a game that I know most didn't like.

Like I said. One guy's take on the retail version. Indeed to be taken with a grain of salt. He's obviously a kid but he's got the game, we don't.

That's why I use gamefly. I rent it first and if I like, I keep it for around 40 - 45 bones.

I don't care if the reviewer has a PHD. They are all to be taken with a grain of salt. Especially if the reviews are all over the map. Case in point: Edge gives HS a 6, whereas Tilt gives it a 10. WTF, over?

The best reviewers are the gamers themselves IMO. I take what the folks here say over any magazine.

I agree with you about buying games, but you can rent as well. Blockbuster gets a bit expensive, but you could use their gamerpass, or a site like gamefly or gamesnflix.

I think reviews can be very helpful, and I get lots of good information from them at times, but they are definitely not the answer to whether a game is a good game or not as many people make them out to be.


I fully agree with you cysquatch. I misunderstood your first post, I was under the impression that you were saying this review should be taken with a grain of salt compared to those of 'legit' reviewers.

What a bunch of jaded *******s....

God forbid someone actually enjoy a game that got bad reviews, right?

rent it if you dont want to waste $60. $6 for a rental is cheaper than buying magazines to look at reviews.

I'm sure reviews are completely accurate for the reviewer. I'm just not the reviewer. I have my own likes / dislikes.

If you're basing all your game purchases on reviews I feel really sorry for you. Its all about the games and sometimes there are great games that get horrible reviews. You missed out on those and I feel sorry for you.

People listen to reviews because they are generally correct, and in line with how the majority of seasoned gamers will feel. Some 14 year old kid will love just about any game as long as the screen doesn't go black intermittently for 10 minutes at a clip!

Most gamers in this forum are more mature and discerning game afficianodos, with somewhat limited free time. So we are the toughest crowd to please.

Lair seems like a boring visual feast because flying games are tough to pull off in a non-repetitive manner. Could be wrong, but probably not.

I want this game to be good. But before I spend my money...I will let someone else spend theirs and let me know how it is. I think this one has dud written all over it. Which is unfortunate..

What a bunch of jaded *******s....

God forbid someone actually enjoy a game that got bad reviews, right?

my thoughts exactly.

If games were free, or even cheap, then I'd totally agree with you. But the fact that we're supposed to blindly spend 60 dollars on a game means that we're going to see what public opinion thinks before buying it. Example: I've rented plenty of movies that got C's and D's from review sites knowing that I'd only be out a couple bucks. There is no way I'm spending 50-60 dollars on a game that I know most didn't like.lol
Money is like water.
We drink it & piss it out

I am glad that people will enjoy Lair. The delay has pushed it to the second tier of games that I may buy in the next 6 months.

That said, his mom works for Sony, he has a PS3 and standard def tv. I will concede that not everyone needs/wants or even cares about HDTV. But come on!

I am glad that people will enjoy Lair. The delay has pushed it to the second tier of games that I may buy in the next 6 months.

That said, his mom works for Sony, he has a PS3 and standard def tv. I will concede that not everyone needs/wants or even cares about HDTV. But come on!

Maybe his mom works at the sony store, and sells t-shirts and stuff.

Maybe his mom works at the sony store, and sells t-shirts and stuff.

:D

Maybe his mom works at the sony store, and sells t-shirts and stuff.

I thought about that, then I figured that anyone getting even semi advanced copies is going to be more than a Sony store on the floor employee.

I will concede anything is possible.

The kid used the word "uber". That's as far as I read.

Or did anyone consider that this could be a dev/insider trying to stir up some positive internet spin on the game (figuring he needed to make it sound like a kid so people would think it was true) . Just a thought and I am probably wrong but it certainly is possible seeing as how the game has been getting flogged . I just don't see Sony handing out games to their general employee's as they walk out the door , that does not sound like Sony to me . I would bet that most any Sony employee that is high enough up the chain to get pre-release games would also have more than a 27" SD Sony TV ( but again that is just speculation ;) ) .

I am as jaded as they come (when it comes to gaming) but I will still ignore the general consensus if a game interests me ;) .

--- Jason

In the words of a short green fellow: Patience Jedi. Or was that Obi-Wan?

Anyway, just wait for the freaking game to come out, rent it, and post your thoughts. I know I will.

So what if 1up says its a hi-def dragon mod of rogue squadron without a map. I'm still going to play it (as a rental). :rolleyes:

Astroturfing. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing)

Jesus Christ, folks, quit jumping all over this guy just because he's a "kid." I myself am only 19, younger than most of you guys, but he's just giving his opinion on the game...it shouldn't matter the age.

It seems to me that the biggest gripe all of the advance reviews had was the control scheme. Honestly, though, I don't mind having to adjust. And I don't mind if the gameplay is a little repetitive at times, my eyes will be too busy having a seizure from the gorgeous graphics.

But, I'm glad that at least one person enjoyed the game. Can't wait until the 30th now...

Did I miss the post by Jesus Christ? Did it get deleted?

Jesus Christ, folks, quit jumping all over this guy just because he's a "kid."
I second that...

Come on guys, give him a break. It's likely he is just trying to help answer some questions/doubts. He obviously likes the game and is excited about it. I would be too.

Besides, "astroturfing" swings both ways. Don't base $60 expenditures on internet postings and you shouldn't have any problems.

I'd rather see this opinion (biased or not) than another thread full of whining about a lack of games or in game XMB access. :p

I don't know, I've pretty much lost all interest in this game. Any game that has this much hype is going to have a hard time living up to it.

I have more interest in Hot Shots Golf 5 these days.

Did I miss the post by Jesus Christ? Did it get deleted?

who?

Or did anyone consider that this could be a dev/insider trying to stir up some positive internet spin on the game (figuring he needed to make it sound like a kid so people would think it was true) . Just a thought and I am probably wrong but it certainly is possible seeing as how the game has been getting flogged . I just don't see Sony handing out games to their general employee's as they walk out the door , that does not sound like Sony to me . I would bet that most any Sony employee that is high enough up the chain to get pre-release games would also have more than a 27" SD Sony TV ( but again that is just speculation ;) ) .

I am as jaded as they come (when it comes to gaming) but I will still ignore the general consensus if a game interests me ;) .

--- Jason

I have to agree with you that those exact thoughts crossed my mind after reading the review. A lack of multiplayer is the real kicker for me. I'm waiting a month or so before getting this game if I get it at all. When I first saw the trailers for this game I considered it a must have title and I'm a fan of the Rogue Squadron series. However I would have preffered an option to either use the sixasis motion or go back to analog. Not being able to do sharp turns is another Factor 5 problem found in all the Rogue Squadron games. From what I've read it continues on here. I wonder how the beta testers feel about everything. Perhaps the topic creator who also posted this in multiple forums including gamefaqs was/is a beta tester. The writing style is that of a very young teen, however an adult could make themselves sound like one as well.

Cysquatch,

If you are who you say you are and are just a kid who's mom brought the game home who works for Sony, then I'm sorry for having doubted the validity of your claim. Pictures of the game box with your forum name would validate that you at least have the game. I am all for trying out new things and sure hope there is a demo up on the playstation store. It troubles me when such a high profile game doesn't get a demo before the release date. That usually means its not that good of a game and or is boring enough or repetitive enough that a demo would not be beneficial to get people excited about buying. I probably will give this game a rental first and if I can complete the game in one night, I won't buy it..

Having worked for Sony, all I can say is this story sounds like utter BS. And if there's even a hint of truth to it then the reviewer is a plant.

I'm disappointed to hear this game is getting all the bad reviews, it was supposed to the greatest thing ever last I heard but I haven't been following everything lately. Heck, I only just figured out why the Blades of Glory blu-ray vanished from my netflix queue suddenly.

If games were free, or even cheap, then I'd totally agree with you. But the fact that we're supposed to blindly spend 60 dollars on a game means that we're going to see what public opinion thinks before buying it. Example: I've rented plenty of movies that got C's and D's from review sites knowing that I'd only be out a couple bucks. There is no way I'm spending 50-60 dollars on a game that I know most didn't like.

I agree with you here.

Sometimes, it's not even enough. I am playing Bioshock at the moment. I would say it's an excellent FPS. I would give it between 8.5 and 9 out of 10.
This being said, it's not the genre bending, extraordinary, revolutionary game reviews made it out to be. I think its replay value will be extremely limited and for someone who played both Deus-Ex and System Shock before, Bioshock is more evolutionary than anything else.

So, yes, it's important to do some research and see what others have to say, but even then, you never know how a game will turn out for YOU.

Or did anyone consider that this could be a dev/insider trying to stir up some positive internet spin on the game (figuring he needed to make it sound like a kid so people would think it was true) . Just a thought and I am probably wrong but it certainly is possible seeing as how the game has been getting flogged . I just don't see Sony handing out games to their general employee's as they walk out the door , that does not sound like Sony to me . I would bet that most any Sony employee that is high enough up the chain to get pre-release games would also have more than a 27" SD Sony TV ( but again that is just speculation ;) ) .

I am as jaded as they come (when it comes to gaming) but I will still ignore the general consensus if a game interests me ;) .

--- Jason

Agree with you, I think it's PR.

This being said, I see conspiracies everywhere. Particularly when it comes to "reputable" review sites, such as 1UP, IGN and GameSpot. I suspect them all to trade good review scores for generous advertising deals.

I just like how a random kid says the game is good and people are so willing to believe it (the emporer's clothes, anyone?) that they get angry when we say "Stupid kid, what ********". If it was any other game or another situation, people would be saying "never happened", "prove it", etc.. Some people are just too greedy for good news to take things with a grain of salt. Like when I keep telling myself that the lack of games for the PS3 doesn't matter - it's got the blue-ray! Hooray... oh crap. It DOES matter.... (so by that logic - I can understand why some of you believe this kid is the messiah bringing the good message of our Lord Sony and His Holy gaming goodness of next-gen stigmata in the form of extended-play-time-callouses). Amen.

It's just another forum post by a PS3 fanboy. With all of the disappointing reviews that the game has been getting, I'd say to just rent it if you were interested in the first place or just pass til it drops in price.


Gotta love those pictures of the box too. Sheesh, lay off the Mt. Dew kid

Like when I keep telling myself that the lack of games for the PS3 doesn't matter - it's got the blue-ray! Hooray... oh crap. It DOES matter....

Only the lack of GOOD games matter. I couldn't care less about getting hundreds of average or bad games.

I don't know if you guys remember this, but this reminds me of that hands on report about the PS3 that was floating around EVERYWHERE last summer... and maybe only half of it ended up being true...

Ah, found (part of) it:


Quote:
Wow, so much to cover - where do I even start? I'll just have to be careful here as there's certain things that aren't supposed to be revealed until the TGS.

Note: This post is by no means unbiased. I make no warranty that what I have to say will not piss you off – especially if you’re a one-company fanboy whore. I’ll answer questions and I'll share what I know… but I’m not going to argue with the retards lurking in the Games forum shadows… especially when I am way more informed than you are*. Believe that or not (it's a fact), I don’t give a flying **** what some pimple faced punk in the digital jungle thinks. This is a favor for those who appreciate it. Hence, if you do not appreciate inside information, then do us all a favor and **** off.

Now that that’s out of the way…

Lets start with the bad news - the launch lineup is shrinking. Originally, the list was 30 titles (1st and 3rd party). Currently, the list is about 15 titles (can’t get more specific because at this stage it literally changes by the hour). There is an up-side, however. The extra development time is making a world of difference. Some of you saw Heavenly Sword at E3 and it looked pretty good... that is, it looked like your typical 360 game. The team has been hard at work piling on layers and layers of detail and as of right now, it looks like ****ing Advent Children (you thought Metal Gear looked good? You gotta see this). It's also being given a God of War type violence upgrade, since they found out the graphical realism and brutality of the combat (bloodless though it was) was getting it a Mature anyway. Seriously, it will blow your mother****ing mind (although it’s sad that having really awesome graphics influences the ESRB ratings these days). The current release target is March.

Killzone 2 - This one has been MIA since last years E3. It is still in development and it is, unequivocally, the PS3s big "secret weapon." Announcements are being held back until closer to the PS3 launch as it's going to generate a monumental amount of buzz. It's one of those things that I can't get into too much detail about. However, it looks exactly like the video. Yeah. That video.

LAIR - This won't be out until next summer at the earliest, but this one is also abso****inglutely incredible. Missions basically involve unscripted AI-driven massive scale battles (we're talking Helms Deep here) and you control a single dragon and rider. The game is essentially playing an RTS with itself and it's up to you to influence the tide of the battles. This is also very dark and mature.

More bad news, these titles are all now Q1 '07 releases or later. Resistance: Fall of Man is being primed as the killer ap launch title. Some of you are sure to go nuts for it as it's like a crossbreed between Half Life 2 & Call of Duty. Personally, I ****ing hate both those games so I was not terribly impressed with the single player. Now multiplayer is a whole different beast, because the weapons are strange as ****. For example, there's this energy-burst weapon that just passes through solid matter. Almost everything in the environments is destructible as well and has physical properties. Hence, certain materials will offer better protection than others. Multiplayer is the big focus of R:FoM anyway, with half a dozen game types and support for up to 40 players.

Someone asked about sound in the other thread - and while specific technical details were not divulged, the sound in Resistance was discussed at length. Resistance has fully simulated sound waves. The system actually checks distances, atmospheric density, wind, what materials the sound is bouncing off and passing through, etc, and modifies the base sound accordingly. Hence, every sound travels through space in real time and distorts just as it does in the real world. There is also support for 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 sound setups... so however they are doing it, it borders on overkill.

This brings me to BluRay, a controversial topic on this forum as of late. Remember when I was talking about the 360s disc capacity and how it ****ed up Oblivion? Some of you will remember, because I got flamed pretty hard for that (OMG it still looks great, the PC version is the same, waa waa, don’t criticizes my console). The Xbox totally ****ed up Oblivion, you can look at the textures and tell where Bethesda cut corners to make it fit on the disc.

As a quick side note, Bethesda is working on a special edition of Oblivion just for PS3. We were shown some screenshots (sadly, not the actual game) and it looks like an entirely different game. Every texture is being replaced with new extremely-high resolution ones. It’s basically what Bethesda wanted to do the first time until they ran into the DVDs capacity limit. BluRay fixes that little bottleneck.

Those DVDs you love so much, they’re the reason PS3 games are going to ****ing destroy anything available on the 360. 85% of the games currently in development for PS3 will not fit on a single DVD9. To give you an idea of the implications, Resistance: Fall of Man is currently 20GB, and is expected to ship at around 35GB. Publishers are not being forced to use BDs, but it’s expected that 95% of all PS3 games will use BD discs. The big exception is EA, who uniformly develops for the lowest common denominator. Sony is dedicated to helping companies develop for the superior PS3 then downgrade for the weaker systems. The fruits of this labor won’t be seen for another year at least.

There was a demo, side by side, of an upcoming sports game (can't tell you which one). One was playing on 360 (DVD9) connected to an HDTV running at 720P. The same game was running on a PS3 (BD50) on an identical HDTV at 720P. The differences were unbelievable, simply because the BD has the space to hold all those extremely high resolution textures. The 360 could probably handle them, but they just plain won't fit on the disc. This is just one example of how storage capacity is hurting the 360. Of the parade of developers that spoke to us, the BDs capacity was the number one item of praise. No more having to cut corners or find creative ways to make your game fit on the disc. DVDs are just plain obsolete when you're talking about High-Definition hyper-detailed 3D environments.

On a similar note, those of you rooting for HD-DVD as the High-Def standard might want to start selling your stuff while it’s worth something. The format war was basically decided before it even reached store shelves. 80% of the major manufacturing plants have already adopted Blu-Ray. There’s also the small matter of Sony owning, directly or indirectly, nearly half of the movie industry. I could go into more detail, but I’m getting a little off-topic. The point is, Blu-Ray is here to stay and it’s not going anywhere. HD-DVD, having considerably less support at retail and among manufacturers and movie studios, is ****ed. Also, when it comes to the end-user, the Blu-Ray capabilities of the PS3 are going to be very very heavily advertised. Not only will the PS3 ensure that Blu-Ray is the most widely owned HD player in the world, but Sony is going to make sure that people know it and use it.

Go ahead and throw your tantrums if you want, it won’t change a thing. It’s just plain out of your hands. If you were rooting for the inferior technology – well, oops.

Concerning BD movie costs, they’ve been available for several months now and the average price is $20-$30. Amazon.com is your friend.

Ok, onto the multiplayer. Sony is going all out here. Actually, the entire philosophy behind the PS3s development is “no holding back.” You may whine about the price, you may whine about the features (and those of you that do that regularly really look like huge tards, btw. You know who you are) but Sony really wanted to deliver a system with every cool feature they could think of. Furthermore, they want to deliver a system that will survive another decade. MS may release a new Xbox every couple years, but Playstation owners know that their system isn’t going to be obsolete any time soon. Anyhoo, the online service is absolutely, positively, 100% free… no tiers, no subscription. It’s like having Xbox Live Gold, but you don’t have to pay for it. Some of the features include: multiple online IDs (not just one gamertag), friends lists, rankings and skill-based auto-matchmaking, full online profiles, EyeToy and EyeToy HD integration (photo profiles, possibly video chat).

There is a full featured web browser and the PS3 will have native Keyboard and Mouse support, although Sony will not be making any 1st party Mice or Keyboards for the system. As for using those peripherals in games, it’s entirely up to the developers but Sony is not disallowing it. Still, they would prefer developers make use of the motion sensitive controller instead.

As a side note, the controller motion capabilities are extremely sensitive and accurate. Playing LAIR and WarHawk with it just seemed way more accurate and natural than analogue sticks alone – plus it frees up the analogues for other functionality. You’ll see what I mean when you get a taste of LAIR. It’s ****ing incredible.

In terms of 3rd party support, more than 10,000 SDKs have been shipped and more than 350 confirmed titles in active development. Production of the console itself is proceeding right on target. Reports of cell yields and HDMI 1.3 available have absolutely no impact on the production process. The cell has naturally lower yields due to the fact that it’s a new and more powerful technology. The yields were of the Cell were known far in advance of active production. As some of you know, wafers are rated. Only the best make it into the PS3, the others are sorted for other less demanding uses.

The PS3 is shipping with all 8 cores enabled (1PPE + 7 SPEs). Reports of SPEs “dying” are just plain rubbish.

3rd party developers (EA, UbiSoft) have already announced their pricing schemes for next-gen games. PS3 games will generally cost the same as Xbox 360 titles. The $10 hike in price across the board is meant to cover additional production costs resulting from the need to produce higher quality HD-quality assets. Better graphics means higher production costs.

Hey, if the kid is happy with the game, that's great. But lets not pretend like his personal review is anymore valid than a magazine, website, or anyone elses.

I have to agree with you that those exact thoughts crossed my mind after reading the review. A lack of multiplayer is the real kicker for me. I'm waiting a month or so before getting this game if I get it at all. When I first saw the trailers for this game I considered it a must have title and I'm a fan of the Rogue Squadron series. However I would have preffered an option to either use the sixasis motion or go back to analog. Not being able to do sharp turns is another Factor 5 problem found in all the Rogue Squadron games. From what I've read it continues on here. I wonder how the beta testers feel about everything. Perhaps the topic creator who also posted this in multiple forums including gamefaqs was/is a beta tester. The writing style is that of a very young teen, however an adult could make themselves sound like one as well.

Cysquatch,

If you are who you say you are and are just a kid who's mom brought the game home who works for Sony, then I'm sorry for having doubted the validity of your claim. Pictures of the game box with your forum name would validate that you at least have the game. I am all for trying out new things and sure hope there is a demo up on the playstation store. It troubles me when such a high profile game doesn't get a demo before the release date. That usually means its not that good of a game and or is boring enough or repetitive enough that a demo would not be beneficial to get people excited about buying. I probably will give this game a rental first and if I can complete the game in one night, I won't buy it..

Uh, i'm 40 and my mom drives a school bus. You might want to look at the first post again or i'm going to have mom swing by with the short bus to pick you up. ;)

Uh, i'm 40 and my mom drives a school bus. You might want to look at the first post again or i'm going to have mom swing by with the short bus to pick you up. ;)
LOL

Color me a skeptic, but he seems too articulate for the typical teenager. Right now I'm going to assume it's a marketing shill, ala the 'all I want for Christmas is a PSP' blog which turned out to be fake.

We'll see once professional reviewers get their hands on the game. At the very least though, I expect it to be a good rental.

Wow. You guys are serious. The kid got a game thats a week away from release, who hasnt gotten an advance copy of a game one way or another? And takes cell phone pics of his SD TV in his bedroom most likely. Try not to read too much into it/put too much stock in it.

Basically rent the game, decide for yourself to keep or not.

Everyone is thinking it so I'm just going to post it. A quick review of the OP's IP address probably will result in the post being made from and SCE computer.

While they're not perfect, I'll wait for the professional reviews.

I am offically asking Mods to delete this topic, on account of the fact that it may be possible my mom could be fired if I further my actions. Enjoy Lair when it comes out. Also, there are too many flamings I am getting, calling me a "Fat Sony Worker" or "Liar" or "PS3 Fanboy" and such. Although I am none of those, it is annoying. Also, this is being posted as news on other boards, which is causing an uproar. Sorry for the inconvienence. Thank you. Zach

lol

it certainly smells like a plant.

If there's no multiplayer, what's "lair network"?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00013.jpg

If there's no multiplayer, what's "lair network"?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00013.jpg
I believe there is a leader board aspect to Lair.

If there's no multiplayer, what's "lair network"?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/dnremember/DSC00013.jpg

There are online leaderboards and such.

Home Trophies? Leaderboards?

No multiplayer doesnt mean no Online..

edit: Teeeheeehheee.. three's a crowd :)

So who wants to find out his mom's name and get her fired? That'll teach her to steal games and sneak them home to her son who can't keep his mouth shut for 5 minutes about it. "Honey, I'll let you play Lair but you can't tell anyone - not even Jesus when you pray before bed. K? Promise?" 5 minutes later and 30 photos snapped, Zach the Trust-Betrayer is insuring his mother's future unemployment and possible poverty due to a lawsuit from Sony the Giant-Who-Hates-Everyone-Especially-THat-Little-Company-Selling-Imported-Consoles. To top it all off, only the naive innocent people with a 3rd grade reading comprehension are the ones that believe his story, so it was all for naught. Oh - the irony. O. Henry would be proud of that boy.

^^ I think you have mistaken SONY as JKR...

I'm going to wait for David Manning's review on this one before I buy:)

I believe there is a leader board aspect to Lair.


I see. Thanks. Shaky reviews or not, I still plan on giving it a try.

Yeah, his review is a bit naive, but it's informative enough for me to want to try the game out.

WEll thank God that this kid has single-handedly proven everybody else is wrong because his mom works at Sony. You'd think he'd have better information about what's going on at Sony besides a "review" of Lair. I give this kid's review 1 smack on the head out of 5.
So who wants to find out his mom's name and get her fired? That'll teach her to steal games and sneak them home to her son who can't keep his mouth shut for 5 minutes about it. "Honey, I'll let you play Lair but you can't tell anyone - not even Jesus when you pray before bed. K? Promise?" 5 minutes later and 30 photos snapped, Zach the Trust-Betrayer is insuring his mother's future unemployment and possible poverty due to a lawsuit from Sony the Giant-Who-Hates-Everyone-Especially-THat-Little-Company-Selling-Imported-Consoles. To top it all off, only the naive innocent people with a 3rd grade reading comprehension are the ones that believe his story, so it was all for naught. Oh - the irony. O. Henry would be proud of that boy.You're an *******. He did us all a favor by AT LEAST providing some pics for proof, and gave HIS take on the game. He never claimed it was the piece of "evidence" that "disproved" other negative reviews. Good lord.

^^

People can't fathom sarcasm around here huh?

^^

People can't fathom sarcasm around here huh?
It's not sarcasm, it's this one guy repeatedly slamming a poster for no good reason. Way to make an innocent guy feel an inch tall.

sounds like it upset you.

Wow. You guys are serious. The kid got a game thats a week away from release, who hasnt gotten an advance copy of a game one way or another? And takes cell phone pics of his SD TV in his bedroom most likely. Try not to read too much into it/put too much stock in it.

Basically rent the game, decide for yourself to keep or not.

I guess no one has pointed out the irony in your username being Conspiracy and here you are dispelling a conspiracy theory-type trend. Off topic but it did give me a chuckle.

It's not sarcasm, it's this one guy repeatedly slamming a poster for no good reason. Way to make an innocent guy feel an inch tall.

The OP didn't compose the "review", he just copied it here from another site.

Don't worry, the reviewer doesn't live here, so he hasn't gotten his feelings hurt by anyone at AVS.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I guess no one has pointed out the irony in your username being Conspiracy and here you are dispelling a conspiracy theory-type trend. Off topic but it did give me a chuckle.

I should have added a tag *this conspiracy is not officially liscensed and or endorsed by Conspiracy*

Maybe the coverup was part of the conspiracy all along...

Guys, if you want more of the "my mom works for sony" kid, go watch the warhawk video on the playstation blog.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/

HILLARIOUS

The "Secret Access" part of the latest GI and the "Second Opinion" of it's review make Lair sound great, only the main reviewer had issues with the controls. I find it hard to believe the controls are bad with some practice.

I love dragons, I don't personally care if the game is crap, I will play it and buy it and cherish it. Dragons are so awesome, oh and D-war is coming out soon, OMG! Amazing.