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tradewinds
09-11-07, 12:20 PM
I am not taking this personally but I think you are. Just because you bought 720P projector doesn't mean you have to turn a blind-eye to the improvements that have been made in the 1080P projectors. The only thing you seem to believe is any information, whether credible or not, that supports your 720P projector choice-any information that supports 1080P whether credible or not you dismiss. If you could only read what you are writing you would see how ridiculous and convoluted your position is. If you would simply say the improvements that 1080 provide are not worth it to you that would be fine--but to be in a luddite-like state of denial regarding technology and the benefits of 1080P makes you lose all credibilty.

Please read my comments on this thread before you mouth off. You will better understand my position. You turn a blind eye on facts offered and you offer none. You can tout your theory, the rest of us will believe what is actually fact. Where is your credibility?

avZen
09-11-07, 12:23 PM
IMO, alot of people that come here to the forums, don't really represent the general consumer. There are alot more people buying & using equipment that never visit forums than do. Just listen to the HTGuys podcast about the listener that bought the Vizio for $800 less than a more expensive model (granted its not 720p v 1080p) and is perfectly happy.

So 1080p > 720p is really going to be determined true in the eye of the beholder. Lots of things appear better on paper, but in real world don't always hold that truth.

Again, IMO, the quality and manufacturing of the product will have a greater affect on my viewing experience than the actual resolution. Technologies like "smooth screen" (and i can't think of others right now) will blur the difference between 720p & 1080p even more.

There was a graph posted that shows the benefit (i have seen it on other posts here):
http://s3.amazonaws.com/carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.png

This is a generalized graph which again would be affected by the MFG & Quality of the actual product which to me is the more important comparison than the raw resolution. However 1080p on paper has the potential to provide the better PQ, but numbers aren't 100% of the user experience, they just give a baseline to work from.

Headset
09-11-07, 12:29 PM
Please read my comments on this thread before you mouth off. You will better understand my position. You turn a blind eye on facts offered and you offer none. You can tout your theory, the rest of us will believe what is actually fact. Where is your credibility?

I am not going to argue with you any more--you are not moving off your position and either am I. We will revisit this in time and we will see how it plays out. I say that the superiority of 1080 will prevail and the consumer voting with their wallets will determine the preferred format.

tradewinds
09-11-07, 12:42 PM
1080p will prevail when the price justifies the benefit and 720p is no longer manufactured. If you didn't get that was the point, you misunderstood the position of many here. Believe me, there is a reason many have decided to buy 720p or keep their 720p after this year CEDIA.

Headset
09-11-07, 12:45 PM
1080p will prevail when the price justifies the benefit and 720p is no longer manufactured. If you didn't get that was the point, you misunderstood the position of many here. Believe me, there is a reason many have decided to buy 720p or keep their 720p after this year CEDIA.
According to you there is no benefit, it is strictly theoretical and it doesn’t translate in to real world benefit. If you are right people will keep buying 720P.

avZen
09-11-07, 12:47 PM
1080p will beat out 720p, don't think any one will disagree with that, just like in a few years its probably going to be 1440 vs 1080 and a few years after that 1440 vs 2160, its not a matter of which is going to prevail its more a of, which one today will give you the best picture for the best price.

720p wins when looking at Benefit to Cost most of the time, but the landscape of the "resolution war" is changing, and once the HD DVD vs BD war comes to a close (and content providers begin providing some 1080p material), i doubt we see many if any 720p devices being made.

Things would be too easy if it was cut and dry, but there are too many factors involved with PQ to say 720p > 1080p (and i am not just talking cost).

Pratticus
09-11-07, 01:41 PM
According to you there is no benefit, it is strictly theoretical and it doesn’t translate in to real world benefit. If you are right people will keep buying 720P.

Oh come on. That's not what he is saying. Everyone knows 1080 is better than 720. (All other things being equal, of course.)

What he is saying is that paying an additional $2k for the upgrade is not worthwhile for every consumer or viewer. YMMV based on visual acuity, wallet, tastes and motivation.

There are no absolutes in most things, and home theatre is certainly one of them.

CaspianM
09-11-07, 01:57 PM
720p wins when looking at Benefit to Cost most of the time, but the landscape of the "resolution war" is changing, and once the HD DVD vs BD war comes to a close (and content providers begin providing some 1080p material), i doubt we see many if any 720p devices being made.



Benefit to cost analysis is a not as simple to define. Performance and cost both vary to two different individuals with different expectations and with different purchasing power. There are 720p unit which are very popular not worth a penny to me and is waste of my life watching them so is the best 720p to some one else who is after a 1080 unit and its merits.

Law of diminishing return varies for different spenders.

HoustonHoyaFan
09-11-07, 02:26 PM
What you see and what many critical viewers in a blind test saw shows this to not be relevant in practice, in theory there is a difference, but it practice, apparently it is not when people cannot even tell a top rated 1080p vs a top rated 720p..It's silly to reach such a conclusion based on the Taskiot 11S1 vs 11S4 shootout for a variety of reasons. Note Taskiot himself purchased a RS1 (1080P pj) to replace his 720P after said shootout.:D Find us a conclusive blind test where 1080p is easily identified and clobbers the 720p.
So now the benchmark is "easily identified and clobbers" :)

I suspect that in a blind test most people on this forum would not be able to differentiate most of the pjs which individuals so passionately defend/dismiss.

The reality is that the 1080P pjs are better than their 720P counterparts in every instance I can think of. Will every individual appreciate the difference, that is subjective. Is the cost delta of value to every individual, that is even more subjective.