View Full Version : DV11 on sale with major supplier. Is it much better than the DV10?
whiskey > work 08-27-07, 05:45 PM I can only tell you that the major supplier's flyer came in the sunday paper and it is red and there are 2 words in the name each starting with c. It is for 899. What is the big difference between this model and the DV10? I'm hearing brighter and maybe a better speaker. Anyone have one or see one? If so, report please
SpectralD 08-27-07, 06:10 PM It is 4:3, not 16:9 like the DV10. I'd get a DV10 for that reason alone. I forget how it specs out otherwise.
Phaffendorf 08-27-07, 06:10 PM Don't u have a Mits?? Why would you want this?
BuffaloJim 08-27-07, 06:29 PM They're very similar. The DV11 is brighter and has a slot loading DVD. It also has a higher contrast rating. All of these are nice features. Optoma continues to say this is a native 16:9 projector with support for 4:3. But all of the evidence seems to suggest it's 800 x 600. If a lot of your material is standard width, this might be nice, but I think most people would rather have the 854 x 480 chip.
Jim
whiskey > work 08-27-07, 06:36 PM Don't u have a Mits?? Why would you want this?
yeah but i want a p j to bring around with me
Kevin McCarthy 08-27-07, 10:00 PM We bought a DV-11 a month ago and love it. We have a JVC RS-1 in a fixed installation in the living room with a 100" electric DaLite HiPower screen, but our daughters use this in their rooms, plus we take it on vacations with us. Likely to head off to a dorm room in a week. Great concept, very portable and a nice case. One room has olive walls, and it still looks great. The DV11 slot loading is nicer than the DV-10, it is spec'd brighter, and the speakers cut out when you plug in a jack to a stereo (the DV10 required that you turn its sound down and your receiver's gain up to avoid hearing both). Oh, and there is a free Optoma coupon for a 92" screen through September 30th.
Kevin
lcd or plasma? 08-28-07, 01:46 AM I have not seen a review on this and there seems to be no hard info on what the resolution actually is. Anyone see anything that can clear this up?
SpectralD 08-28-07, 07:25 AM It's definitely 4:3 if you check out the product manual; there is one review here as well:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/projectors/optoma-movietime-dv11
There is no hard data I've seen comparing contrast ratios, but Optoma's own specs for on/off indicate the DV11 is a step down at 2200:1, compared with 4000:1 for the DV10 (not that you can learn much from manufacturer's specs). This may just mean that the DV11 doesn't have the ability to adjust lamp output depending on the scene (aka "ImageAI"), so they measured the contrast differently.
The DV11 also has a 2x, 4-segment color wheel (according to the Audioholics review), which is a step down from the 4x, 7-segment wheel in the DV10.
Does anyone know what the difference in the DMD technology is? DV10 has DC2, DV11 just says "DDR Darkchip".
TF Ghost 08-28-07, 08:34 AM http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projdtls.asp?itemid=21969&itmname=Optoma+DV11
SpectralD 08-28-07, 10:22 AM Yes, unfortunately a lot of sites are posting incorrect specs.
leckian 08-28-07, 10:34 AM The DV10 is a much better choice for home theater. For Home theater use the DV11 is a serious downgrade.
whiskey > work 08-28-07, 12:30 PM it is strange how this is a downgrade from the previous model in so many ways. Were they smoking ganj when they created this new model?
TF Ghost 08-28-07, 12:48 PM Yes, unfortunately a lot of sites are posting incorrect specs.
I posted the PP link because they have the same price for the DV11 and it comes with a free screen.:)
leckian 08-28-07, 01:33 PM it is strange how this is a downgrade from the previous model in so many ways. Were they smoking ganj when they created this new model?
It is a cynical business decision that is all about the money--they figure people buying in the low end aren't going to know the difference between a more expensive 7 segment 850 x 480 chip that is perfect for standard DVD and a cheap 4 segment business style 4:3 SVGA chip that drops 30 lines of vertical resolution for standard DVD. By increasing the lumens they figured an uninformed buyer would think it is an upgrade.
SpectralD 08-28-07, 03:33 PM I posted the PP link because they have the same price for the DV11 and it comes with a free screen.:)
Ah, I took it as a comment about the specs... got it.
In any case, this DV11 seems like a disappointing decision from Optoma.
TF Ghost 08-28-07, 03:46 PM Ah, I took it as a comment about the specs... got it.
In any case, this DV11 seems like a disappointing decision from Optoma.
I agree. The DV11 is all about $$, not quality.
whiskey > work 08-28-07, 04:29 PM I'm gonna wait for black friday and hope I can find one for $350 or so. I remember last year they had them cheap. Is this price realistic?
BuffaloJim 08-28-07, 04:49 PM The DV11 is the kind of projector that would be a good candidate for Black Friday. $350 might be a stretch, but $400-450 should be expected.
Jim
whiskey > work 08-28-07, 05:04 PM The DV11 is the kind of projector that would be a good candidate for Black Friday. $350 might be a stretch, but $400-450 should be expected.
Jim
OOPDS! I meant the DV10... I remember them being 450 last year. Maybe even cheaper this year
SpectralD 08-28-07, 06:17 PM Considering the price of brand new ones on ebay right now, it might be possible. I guess it really depends on how many are still left in inventory though.
whiskey > work 08-28-07, 06:50 PM Considering the price of brand new ones on ebay right now, it might be possible. I guess it really depends on how many are still left in inventory though.
that would make my day for sure...to pick up a portable NEW all in one PJ for 350. Not only that, but the deal last year included the subwoofer and the screen.
BuffaloJim 08-28-07, 07:17 PM If there's any left by late November, the DV10 might even be $299.
Jim
Kevin McCarthy 08-28-07, 11:01 PM I should have pointed out another plus to the DV11 over the DV10 - since the DVD is slot fed, rather than flip lid, you can ceiling mount it. I am rigging a quick change ceiling mount for my daughter's dorm room, so it can ceiling mount there but still be quickly removable for on the go use. The offset is lower than the DV-10, which helps the placement flexibility.
The color wheel changes led to its increased brightness over the DV-10, so I view this as a positive. In 16:9 mode, the native 800 x 600 DLP chip is scaled to 800 x 450, but it works fine from my perspective. Throw in the free 92" screen, and the DV-11 is a great deal. I paid over $7K for my living room JVC RS-1, DaLite Hi-Power IR motorized screen, HD-A2, and JVC audio receiver, but I was frankly surprised at just how well the DV-11 image looked, given the 8X ratio in price.
Kevin
SpectralD 08-29-07, 09:35 AM The ability to ceiling mount is a nice feature on the DV11.
The 2x vs 4x color wheel increases brightness at the expense of contrast and color saturation. It's not the tradeoff I'd want in a home theater projector, but if it works for your setup that's good.
BuffaloJim 08-29-07, 10:06 AM The 2x vs 4x color wheel increases brightness at the expense of contrast and color saturation. It's not the tradeoff I'd want in a home theater projector, but if it works for your setup that's good.
For a portable projector, that tradeoff is not too bad. We often use our DV10 is less than ideal environments. While contrast is somtimes not overly important (in fairlt well lit situations, for instance), brightness can be. A potable all-in-one projector makes compromises for the sake of portability and ease of use. The Movietime is an absolutely great projector for the people it's aimed at, but it's certainly not aimed at everyone.
Jim
SpectralD 08-29-07, 10:35 AM True, I actually meant the last bit in my post about "if it works for your setup". If you're using it as a portable for situations with some ambient light I can see it working better than the DV10. If you do a lot of watching in the same place without too much ambient light, I'd view it as a step down.
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