dont really know why you called me out on that. Im not attacking him. I only asked for a correction to a sentence he made due to the fact that it was using a double negative and was throwing me for a loop. You may have read that in my posts. ( I have a hard time wrapping my brain around a double negative.) But, anyway, he has some good opinions as do most here. Hope this helps. :)

Wasn't referring to you. No worries.

Cheers,

Jason

Nice post, Richard. I agree; the Paramount move was such a surprise, it had to be motivated by something more. They must know something, and soon, so will we.

I think Paramount knows the costs of producing disks in each format and have decided that HD DVD is cheaper for the long run and that Paramount's participation in marketing HD DVD will help it turn a profit with the HD DVD format. I don't think Warner will do anything right now, but I bet the top guys there sure took notice of Paramount's decision.

It's what we don't know that will make the difference. How many disks of each format the studios are really selling (their figures would be nice), what the real costs of replication are and what, if any, profit the studios are making from each format or the format supported. Time will clarify some of this as we see movement from one side to the other. Paramount could be the barometer.

Cheers,

Grant

Massive failure by nfinity and others here that predicted Warner exclusivity for HD-DVD. Have we found the new beatboy???

Warner: more titles for BD in Q4 than in Q1, Q2, and Q3 combined!

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=65741

Maybe they're re-releasing all of their BD titles, only with IME enabled, in addition to the HD DVD exclusive ones?

Change of momentum from HD DVD to Blu Ray. And you better bookmark this post.

The momentum shift has now started with many BD announcements.

The momentum shift has now started with many BD announcements.

Right, they all announced $600+ players that are Profile 1.0 and with unknown launch date..PEACHY! HD DVD should be shaking..oh wait..dead men don't shake...

The momentum shift has now started with many BD announcements.

Yeah, ok. The momentum to more overpriced players and the same boring crap we heard at CES. :rolleyes:

The biggest is yet to come. Cedia, I told you so.

Warner could switch to 100% TotalHD. They originally stated TotalHD discs would hit the 2nd half of this year.

Why was Warner not at the hddvd press event at IFE?

probably because they didnt want to be asked if they were staying neutral a thousand different ways. hehehehe Or it just might be due to the change in management which always confuses everything for a couple of months.

Or they could be going... dare i say it? hehehehe

Why was Warner not at the hddvd press event at IFE?

Humm..... were there any other studios?

Why was Warner not at the hddvd press event at IFE?


Maybe because they are going to annouce HD DVD XC at CEDIA. ;)

Humm..... were there any other studios?


IIRC Paramount was there too.

And Universal. So Warner is at the BDA event and not the HDDVD
conference. Not a good sign. I hope you guys are right about CEDIA, but I am beginning to have my doubts.

And Universal. So Warner is at the BDA event and not the HDDVD
conference. Not a good sign. I hope you guys are right about CEDIA, but I am beginning to have my doubts.

You will see all the major studios at CEDIA. Really doesnt mean a whole lot if they didnt go to IFA. Most of studios movie releases in Europe are all distriputed by other studios. Thats why many BD exclusives can be imported for HD DVD. So dont read to much into who was there and who was not. They may just be saving any announcements they have for CEDIA. Maybe they didnt want to just repeat the same stuff twice within a few weeks.

originally posted by nfinity
"Amir to your knowledge, can we expect more positive news for HD DVD before or during CEDIA?

Thanks."

Amir's response
"I think the only thing you can expect is that I will say nothing until the news itself comes out .:D

Really, I am shocked how folks leak information like this to anonymous people on forums. I supect they are using them as tools to manipulate the situation but still, any big news like this must be treated with utmost respect. I keep even the biggest HD DVD fans in the dark wrt to what may be coming next. When you engage in a confidential negotiation with another company, you have to well, keep things confidential. Anything else is totally unethical in my book...."

Okay, maybe I am reading too much into this, but to me in a fairly crystal clear fashion this is stating by the end of CEDIA an additional studio will either be going format neutral or going format exclusive.

Warner being the most likely case as they helped develop the format and stand to make massive royalties if the format succeeds. I tend to think Disney is the obvious choice of a studio going format nuetral as they helped develop HDi and well let's just say so far BD-J hasn't impressed anyone. Maybe Lionsgate, but I believe that to be a long shot.

If nothing happens by the end of CEDIA, Amir has some explaining to do!

Why was Warner not at the hddvd press event at IFE?

Warner was at the BD press conference and answered questions. They were not present at the HD-DVD event. Makes you wonder doesn't it.....

Okay, maybe I am reading too much into this

Bingo!

All Amir is saying is "no comment", but people are hanging on his every specific turn of phrase, trying to read between the lines.

5.1 or 7.1 analog out on the A35.

Warner was at the BD press conference and answered questions. They were not present at the HD-DVD event. Makes you wonder doesn't it.....


Magicans call it misdirection....It's not a matter of if WB will go HD DVD XC but when. I still think it will be announced at CEDIA.

Magicans call it misdirection....It's not a matter of if WB will go HD DVD XC but when. I still think it will be announced at CEDIA.

I say Warner XC HD DVD on CEDIA while still delivering titles already in the making for Europe until the end of the year and that's it.

I say Warner XC HD DVD on CEDIA while still delivering titles already in the making for Europe until the end of the year and that's it.

As a dual format owner/HD DVD supporter who thinks that the format war actually benefits the consumer (at least at this stage), I would love it if WB goes exclusive and completely levels the field regarding studio/content support.

BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THIS HAPPENING anytime soon.
PLEASE, PLEASE let's not set ourselves up for disappointment ala CES 2007 (euphoria anticipating Disney/LG neutrality, only to be followed by much pulling of hair/gnashing of teeth when it didn't happen)

nfinity I implore you to scale back your overly optimistic predictions - they are not only raising expectations unrealistically IMO but they will provide much fodder for BD supporters if/when they don't come to fruitation.

Better to underpromise/predicate and overdeliver than the other way around, no?

As a dual format owner/HD DVD supporter who thinks that the format war actually benefits the consumer (at least at this stage), I would love it if WB goes exclusive and completely levels the field regarding studio/content support.

BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THIS HAPPENING anytime soon.
PLEASE, PLEASE let's not set ourselves up for disappointment ala CES 2007 (euphoria anticipating Disney/LG neutrality, only to be followed by much pulling of hair/gnashing of teeth when it didn't happen)

nfinity I implore you to scale back your overly optimistic predictions - they are not only raising expectations unrealistically IMO but they will provide much fodder for BD supporters if/when they don't come to fruitation.

Better to underpromise/predicate and overdeliver than the other way around, no?
I think your giving Nfinity too much credit and the rest of us not enough. I'm firmly in the red camp but he's too over the top for me. I take it for what it's worth and disregard the rest.

What roma_victor said.

This way, if Warner suddenly does go HD DVD exclusive next month, I get to be pleasantly surprised...again. :D

However, if they don't go HD DVD exclusive by Q1 2008, I will be very disappointed. :mad:

I think your giving Nfinity too much credit and the rest of us not enough.

Perhaps and if so I apologize.
I just would hate to see a repeat of the pre-CES hype/euphoria crash and burn when unfounded speculation/predictions did not pan out

Perhaps and if so I apologize.
I just would hate to see a repeat of the pre-CES hype/euphoria crash and burn when unfounded speculation/predictions did not pan out

We very well could see that crash and burn but only from the few here that seem to have something personal at stake. I chose red because it works for me. Not to wave a flag or stick my finger in somebodies face yelling " I told you so!!!" I just can't get that worked up about this stuff. It's entertainment. That's how I'll keep it.

We very well could see that crash and burn but only from the few here that seem to have something personal at stake. I chose red because it works for me. Not to wave a flag or stick my finger in somebodies face yelling " I told you so!!!" I just can't get that worked up about this stuff. It's entertainment. That's how I'll keep it.


I think most of us would agree with you; it’s just entertainment and most of us don’t have a personal stake in this thing. At the same time many of us have had to suffer through months and months of good discussions on this forum (and others) being ruined by PS3 fan-boys. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve been on these forums discussing some topic or another only to have the entire discussion derailed by some Blu-bois popping in with a comment like “POTC rulz boyeee Sony is the pimp-bomb and will totally Pwn your azz.” Every discussion about PQ degenerated into some free-for-all because a Blu-bois would come on and talk about how higher bit-rates equal better picture or how the IME on Batman Begins is worthless because it isn’t HD PiP.

I’m not gloating over the Paramount move and I won’t goat if Warner does the same thing, but I am happy for the impact it has had on the Blu-ray crowd; they’re gone. All that talk about capacity, bit-rate, content and HD PiP is now gone. I can actually have a discussion on these boards without a troll ruining the discussion by the third or fourth post. I’ve never been the type to say “I told you so” or to point the finger at someone, but I don’t blame HD DVD supporters that are doing so because I’ve seen what they have endured from the Blu-bois for the last year.

Magicans call it misdirection....It's not a matter of if WB will go XC but when. I still think it will be announced at CEDIA.

I agree, it is only a matter of time before they go BD exclusive...Could be announced at CEDIA. We'll see.

I agree, it is only a matter of time before they go BD exclusive...Could be announced at CEDIA. We'll see.If you think there's a chance they would even consider Blu-ray exclusivity, you haven't been paying attention. That would make no sense...although, I guess it would save them some time by dropping all the interactivity and online content. They will probably just let Paramount, DreamWorks and Universal have all the fun with the next-gen interactivity and online content...sure...:rolleyes:

He's been paying attention. However, he's part of the blu brigade so it's just wishful thinking.

I say Warner XC HD DVD on CEDIA while still delivering titles already in the making for Europe until the end of the year and that's it.

I love your energy and enthousiasm my friend, but what more evidence do you need to see that Warner is staying put?

I say be glad they are supporting HD DVD. That helps Paramount and Universal convince consumers that HD DVD is the way to go.

But, really I think it's time to put the "Warner is going exclusive" stuff to bed. It's not happening.

I love your energy and enthousiasm my friend, but what more evidence do you need to see that Warner is staying put?

I say be glad they are supporting HD DVD. That helps Paramount and Universal convince consumers that HD DVD is the way to go.

But, really I think it's time to put the "Warner is going exclusive" stuff to bed. It's not happening.


I have to agree. BDA quickly shoved the WB rep on stage for a reason.

What roma_victor said.

This way, if Warner suddenly does go HD DVD exclusive next month, I get to be pleasantly surprised...again. :D

However, if they don't go HD DVD exclusive by Q1 2008, I will be very disappointed. :mad:

Why? How does Warner going exclusive to HDDVD affect you? Won't you just be getting the same movies either way?

Can't you enjoy your movies without NEEDING to spite others? You're going to be mad just because a studio will release a movie on a different format in ADDITION to the one you support?

I love your energy and enthousiasm my friend, but what more evidence do you need to see that Warner is staying put?

I say be glad they are supporting HD DVD. That helps Paramount and Universal convince consumers that HD DVD is the way to go.

But, really I think it's time to put the "Warner is going exclusive" stuff to bed. It's not happening.

Well I can't..when I receive an email response from Warner customer service that looks like this when I asked them:


EMAIL TO WARNER CUSTOMER SERVICE (I was trying to get them on the hook):

I'm interested in some of your hi-def titles, unfortunately I was planning on purchasing some of your Blu-Ray titles after Sept. 5th, but I've heard that there is some speculation that you might not work with Blu-Ray titles from your online store anymore. Will you still offer Blu-Ray titles through your store when you start shipping again after Sept. 5th? I appreciate your response as a loyal Warner Bros supporter.



THE RESPONSE I recieved today:

Thank you for contacting Online Customer Service.

Unfortunately, there is no release or production information at this time. Please visit us again as we are continually updating our website with new merchandise.

Thanks again for contacting us.

Regards,
Online Customer Service


I agree that the chances after IFA look shady that Warner will go exclusive. But really.. Email like this?

Why? How does Warner going exclusive to HDDVD affect you? Won't you just be getting the same movies either way?

Can't you enjoy your movies without NEEDING to spite others? You're going to be mad just because a studio will release a movie on a different format in ADDITION to the one you support?

People like you are sad and pathetic. I don't even get mad anymore reading posts like yours because its obvious that people such as yourself are irrational and deserve only pity for what you have become.

I don't think it's spite so much as the idea that Warner going HD DVD exclusive might push some BD exclusive studios toward neutrality. I'm sure there are HD DVD supporters that would like to get their hands on Lionsgate, MGM, Fox, and Disney titles...just as there there are BD supporters that would like access to films released by Universal, Weinstein, Paramount, and Dreamworks. Of course the best solution, and I know this is cliche by now, is for all studios to go neutral and allow the consumer to decide. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon.

Hey nfinity, did you try asking Warner about HD DVD titles? It would be interesting to see if you get the same response...

Well I can't..when I receive an email response from Warner customer service that looks like this when I asked them:



THE RESPONSE I recieved today:


I agree that the chances after IFA look shady that Warner will go exclusive. But really.. Email like this?

you should try sending another one, just replace blu-ray with hd dvd to see if you get the same response :)

Well I can't..when I receive an email response from Warner customer service that looks like this when I asked them:



THE RESPONSE I recieved today:


I agree that the chances after IFA look shady that Warner will go exclusive. But really.. Email like this?

Might be a case of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing.

WB talked about all kinds of titles during IFA.

If you think there's a chance they would even consider Blu-ray exclusivity, you haven't been paying attention. That would make no sense...although, I guess it would save them some time by dropping all the interactivity and online content. They will probably just let Paramount, DreamWorks and Universal have all the fun with the next-gen interactivity and online content...sure...:rolleyes:

Hey if you guys can wish for Disney to go neutral even though they are touring the country right now to educate people of BD I can wish for Warner and fully believe it like you guys can't I? I meen Disney is talking about releasing a TON of movies in the next 6 months on BD, but yet you guys all think that they are going neutral. It is the same thing if I think Warner is going to go exclusive then. Money talks as we are all finding out and you never know what might happen.

Think about it, Warner is at BD's press conference but not HD-DVD? Seems a bit fishy to me, and since we all like to hang on the little things and then blow it up in our favor, I think this one works in BD's favor. Honestly I am not trying to tick anyone off, but think about it. It would be basically a miracle right now for Disney to go neutral. As you guys think Warner going BD exclusive would be a miracle as well.

Hey if you guys can wish for Disney to go neutral even though they are touring the country right now to educate people of BD I can wish for Warner and fully believe it like you guys can't I? I meen Disney is talking about releasing a TON of movies in the next 6 months on BD, but yet you guys all think that they are going neutral. It is the same thing if I think Warner is going to go exclusive then. Money talks as we are all finding out and you never know what might happen.

Think about it, Warner is at BD's press conference but not HD-DVD? Seems a bit fishy to me, and since we all like to hang on the little things and then blow it up in our favor, I think this one works in BD's favor. Honestly I am not trying to tick anyone off, but think about it. It would be basically a miracle right now for Disney to go neutral. As you guys think Warner going BD exclusive would be a miracle as well.


6 movies over 6 months = A ton of releases to Disney.

6 movies over 6 months = A ton of releases to Disney.

"We've been involved with Blu-ray Disc from the very beginning," said Stephen Foulser, vice president of marketing and business development for Disney in the EMEA (Europe, Middle East and Africa) region. "We will be launching 30 new titles in the format."

It is my interpretation in the article of this interview that he meant by the end of the year. Now I could be wrong, and I have no problem admitting that if it is the case. But I think that is what he meant.

"We've been involved with Blu-ray Disc from the very beginning," said Stephen Foulser, vice president of marketing and business development for Disney in the EMEA (Europe, Middle East and Africa) region. "We will be launching 30 new titles in the format."

It is my interpretation in the article of this interview that he meant by the end of the year. Now I could be wrong, and I have no problem admitting that if it is the case. But I think that is what he meant.


Yep and most of them are Q2 2008 and onwards. LOL.

Why? How does Warner going exclusive to HDDVD affect you? Won't you just be getting the same movies either way?

Can't you enjoy your movies without NEEDING to spite others? You're going to be mad just because a studio will release a movie on a different format in ADDITION to the one you support?

People like you are sad and pathetic. I don't even get mad anymore reading posts like yours because its obvious that people such as yourself are irrational and deserve only pity for what you have become.

Yeah, you didn't read roma_victor's post, did you. You know, the one I referred to in my post...the one about not letting yourself get too emotionally caught up in this whole thing...?

It's nice that you didn't feel the need to lower yourself by insulting me personally (just "people like" me). :rolleyes:

I don't think it's spite so much as the idea that Warner going HD DVD exclusive might push some BD exclusive studios toward neutrality. I'm sure there are HD DVD supporters that would like to get their hands on Lionsgate, MGM, Fox, and Disney titles...just as there there are BD supporters that would like access to films released by Universal, Weinstein, Paramount, and Dreamworks. Of course the best solution, and I know this is cliche by now, is for all studios to go neutral and allow the consumer to decide. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon.


If HDDVD was truly trying to win the battle they would have sent 150 million to FOX or Disney so they would go NEUTRAL. The HD DVD catalog would actually GROW and consumers who are FORCED to buy BR for those studios now have more choice. Instead, all I see is nuthugging because of the ANTI-consumer move by Paramount which did NOTHING increase HD DVD content.

Im just saying we should be applauding moves which INCREASE the available software...instead jeering the otherside because they now have less choice.

If HDDVD was truly trying to win the battle they would have sent 150 million to FOX or Disney so they would go NEUTRAL. The HD DVD catalog would actually GROW and consumers who are FORCED to buy BR for those studios now have more choice. Instead, all I see is nuthugging because of the ANTI-consumer move by Paramount which did NOTHING increase HD DVD content.

Im just saying we should be applauding moves which INCREASE the available software...instead jeering the otherside because they now have less choice.

Yes, but, that assumes that the $150 million in "promotional considerations" was the sole or primary reason that Paramount and Dreamworks did what they did. It also thus assumes that such an offer would be all that was needed for Fox or Disney to go neutral (if it were that easy, why hasn't Toshiba brokered such deals with them already?). Aside from that, you make a good point.

I doubt Fox or Disney would be swayed from their BD exclusivity by anything short of a large and growing HD DVD user base, and we're just not there yet.

Yes, but, that assumes that the $150 million in "promotional considerations" was the sole or primary reason that Paramount and Dreamworks did what they did. It also thus assumes that such an offer would be all that was needed for Fox or Disney to go neutral (if it were that easy, why hasn't Toshiba brokered such deals with them already?). Aside from that, you make a good point.

I doubt Fox or Disney would be swayed from their BD exclusivity by anything short of a large and growing HD DVD user base, and we're just not there yet.

Then why not spend the $150 million for R&D or anything that is actually tangible for the common user? I guess my point is the $150 million is now in the pockets of fat cats like Katzenberg and I really don't see any benefit to the consumer.

Up to now, the only major 'effect' of the Paramount move was jumpstarting Fox. BD gains some fox titles, loses Paramount titles while HDDVD remains status quo. Not really progress in my eyes.

Then why not spend the $150 million for R&D or anything that is actually tangible for the common user? I guess my point is the $150 million is now in the pockets of fat cats like Katzenberg and I really don't see any benefit to the consumer.

Up to now, the only major 'effect' of the Paramount move was jumpstarting Fox. BD gains some fox titles, loses Paramount titles while HDDVD remains status quo. Not really progress in my eyes.

The benefit to the consumer (some of them, anyway...) will hopefully come in increased HD DVD output from Paramount and Dreamworks now that they only have to worry about developing titles for one format instead of two. Besides, how much do you think those TV commercials cost? You couldn't ask for better PR. Or, you know, Toshiba could have just wasted the money on endcaps....

Also, HD DVD has not remeained status quo in everyone's eyes, especially those who were sure HD DVD was dead after the Blockbuster news. As for Fox being the sleeping giant who has finally awakened, I'll believe it when I see it. If you'll recall, Fox has cried wolf before.

This "150M" is getting out of hand. Even if this total is accurate (and I've seen no evidence anywhere it is) it is simply money that is earmarked for blended marketing efforts over the next several years. This are copromotions (HD commercials that feature Paramount movies; getting Paramount in strategic positions (read:ENDCAPS that say HD DVD on them but feature Paramount movies), providing them larger incentives to produce movies, a larger slice of profits, etc). There was no 150M check. These are the same things that Sony does with Fox and Disney, possibly to a higher degree. Do you think Disney is paying for their nationwide BD tour? You are an idiot if you do. You think all those endcaps BDA bought aren't being stocked with discs featured by their strategic alliances? C'mon people. If there was 150M in cash out there Toshiba would have just dropped the price of 1M HD players $150 and they would essentially be free (they were $210 for a player and 8 movies this week; this would have brought them to less than zero and there would have tripled overnight the number of HD players on the market).

I would say that this seismic shift by Paramount has made some people overly optimistic about the future. This does not mean that HD will win next week. It merely means that they have some movies to release this holiday season. I was overly optimistic myself for a while but the idea that the cheap HD players might not make it to WalMart, Fox releasing a slew of solid movies and Warner strongly backing their dual format choice has settled me down quite a bit. It would have been nice if HD could have kept the momentum going. It does feel like it has slowed some.

HD DVD was fortunate that Paramount jumped onboard! As soon as one side gets good news its supporters go nuts with joy and proclaim victory. Look at the BluBoys - Block Buster and then Target favour BD and suddenly we have a zillion threats about Universal and Weinstein going neutral. When Paramount announced exclusive HD DVD support those guys went from mania to depression - talk about bi-polar! So now what are we doing over here - the same friggin thing! Get a handle on your expectations. What we're going to hear from CEDIA will be the same old boring stuff they give us at every show - a little of this and a little of that.

What has been very revealling is confirmation that the cost of BD50 is very expensive compared to HD DVD dual layer - one reason being the poor efficiency. The longer HD DVD stays in the game the tougher it is for the BDA to control their minons. They totally lost control of Paramount and Dream Works.

Cheers,

Grant

Why? How does Warner going exclusive to HDDVD affect you? Won't you just be getting the same movies either way?

Can't you enjoy your movies without NEEDING to spite others? You're going to be mad just because a studio will release a movie on a different format in ADDITION to the one you support?

It's not about that, It's about pulling for the decision you made with your wallet. People are putting their money where there mouth is and do not want to have made a mistake on their purchase. Going neutral is many times not a luxury for most because of financial restraints. I'm pulling for HD DVD and IF HD DVD would lose, (which it's not going to) we the consumers don't want to have wasted our time and start our collection all over again on BLURAY.

Anfinity I implore you to scale back your overly optimistic predictions - they are not only raising expectations unrealistically IMO but they will provide much fodder for BD supporters if/when they don't come to fruitation.

Better to underpromise/predicate and overdeliver than the other way around, no?That's pretty much the way it's been from the beginning...
Underpromise/predicate and overdeliver = Toshiba
the other way = Blu-ray :rolleyes:

Then why not spend the $150 million for R&D or anything that is actually tangible for the common user? I guess my point is the $150 million is now in the pockets of fat cats like Katzenberg and I really don't see any benefit to the consumer.Agreed. Toshiba should earmark their next $150 million for $100 rebates on any HD DVD player with the purchase of three HD DVD titles this Black Friday. Almost instantly, there would be 1.5 million more HD DVD players and 4.5 million more HD DVDs in people's homes.

Hey! How about including a surprise voucher with the Toshiba players for three more HD DVDs from Fox and Disney when they go neutral, courtesy of Toshiba (five if they go exclusive)? :D

That's pretty much the way it's been from the beginning...
Underpromise/predicate and overdeliver = Toshiba
the other way = Blu-ray :rolleyes:

Agreed. Toshiba should earmark their next $150 million for $100 rebates on any HD DVD player with the purchase of three HD DVD titles this Black Friday. Almost instantly, there would be 1.5 million more HD DVD players and 4.5 million more HD DVDs in people's homes.

Hey! How about including a surprise voucher with the Toshiba players for three more HD DVDs from Fox and Disney when they go neutral, courtesy of Toshiba (five if they go exclusive)? :D

Underpromise and overdeliver from Toshiba? Give us all a break. Even staunch BD supporters will generally admit that Sony and the BDA vastly overpromised on what was going on with the PS3, BD50 production, BD-J, profiles, etc.

The sane ones understand this any way.

If anything Toshiba has under promised and over delivered.

I find it especially funny that BD fans are now incensed that Paramount/DW went HD DVD exclusive even though those same BD fans have been crowing about "content is king" and Disney/Fox/Sony exclusivity to BD.

Toshiba took a page from the BDA playbook and scored a touchdown with it and now all of the BD fans want to be sour about it.

All I can say is that in all likelihood the Paramount deal is simply the first salvo from the HD DVD group for this holiday season. In other words, 'game on' BD fans! :p

Underpromise and overdeliver from Toshiba? Give us all a break.
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If anything Toshiba has under promised and over delivered. Yup, that's what I said... why are you contradicting yourself? ;)

My eyes must be going bad. :o

What is the difference between what he said
-That's pretty much the way it's been from the beginning...
Underpromise/predicate and overdeliver = Toshiba
the other way = Blu-ray :rolleyes:




and what you said? :confused:



If anything Toshiba has under promised and over delivered.

I think some us are getting too itchy a trigger finger in this format "war". :p

Up to now, the only major 'effect' of the Paramount move was jumpstarting Fox. BD gains some fox titles, loses Paramount titles while HDDVD remains status quo. Not really progress in my eyes.

HUGE progress for HD DVD.

The main talking point for the BDA from day one has been studio exclusivity/content. HD DVD felt, and rightfully so, that nothing could be more important than getting another exclusive major studio.

The PR effect has been massive. Articles by journalists have already been written that are sour on Blu-ray. No one is asking Universal to go neutral anymore. People have been forced to more carefully examine the Blu-ray business model, focusing on such issues as the poor replication infrastructure and economics. All this within just the last two weeks.

It was an incalculably significant move and worth IMO far in excess of the rumored $150MM price.

My eyes must be going bad. :o

What is the difference between what he said
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and what you said? :confused:

I think some us are getting too itchy a trigger finger in this format "war". :p


........FRIENDLY FIRE!!!!!

Yup, that's what I said... why are you contradicting yourself? ;)

My apologies, I must have misread it!

........FRIENDLY FIRE!!!!!LOL! :D:D

I hate to do this but I have to bump this thread. I am a 100% HD DVD supporter, but with an arrogant thread like this, nfinity should have to eat his words in a few days here when his prophecies do not come true.

I hate to do this but I have to bump this thread. I am a 100% HD DVD supporter, but with an arrogant thread like this, nfinity should have to eat his words in a few days here when his prophecies do not come true.

Arrogant? Because I started a thread where we will predict stuff and compare notes when CEDIA passes.

As I said, the way you responded the only thing you've shown is huge hostility towards me without any reason.

So what If I'm wrong? Did I say, "my sources told me that this and this will happen?" . Nope. I was just speculating what might happen depending on the weird stuff that's been going on. That's all..


Btw, it's still not late.. I might be right..CEDIA is in 2 days. ;)

I think starting an "I told you so" thread predicting Warner going exclusive before they even announced it is justified as being called arrogant.

Babe Ruth calling a home run was arrogant, but he was right so it's forgiven. If he was wrong though, he would have been considered an ass. Something to think about.

I will update my predictions to include TRANSFORMERS or SHREK going out in millions of millions (either TWIN or COMBO HD DVD/DVD) discs to replace SD DVD versions.

How ironic would it be that Blu-Ray crowd would have to buy an HD DVD movie to watch as SD DVD. LOL.. I guess they can also start building their HD DVD libraries. ;):D

Or how would that show numbers to Blockbuster when they get this version only for rentals :)

How ironic would it be that Blu-Ray crowd would have to buy an HD DVD movie to watch as SD DVD. LOL.. I guess they can also start building their HD DVD libraries. ;):D

Now that's an interesting thought.

I hate to do this but I have to bump this thread. I am a 100% HD DVD supporter, but with an arrogant thread like this, nfinity should have to eat his words in a few days here when his prophecies do not come true.


this is a fun thread, all prohecies and conjenctures should be taken as such and not as fact. People who are taking these prophecies and conjenctures seriously (or this hobby too seriously, for that matter) are sucking the fun out of this thread and this hobby.

Yes, I'm an HD DVD proponent (although I have both formats), yes I want HD DVD to win (I don't want to buy 2 formats for each display I have in the house), but most of all, I want to have fun.

this is a fun thread, all prohecies and conjenctures should be taken as such and not as fact. People who are taking these prophecies and conjenctures seriously (or this hobby too seriously, for that matter) are sucking the fun out of this thread and this hobby.

Yes, I'm an HD DVD proponent (although I have both formats), yes I want HD DVD to win (I don't want to buy 2 formats for each display I have in the house), but most of all, I want to have fun.

Yes...gentlemen, relax your sphincters!:p

Warner has just announced Ocean 11,12,13 on both formats. Warner will not be exclusive. I told you so.

just like Paramount announced Blades of Glory on BD and two weeks later cancelled it, right?

There was no open talk about change of loyalty then. Now there is an open rumor. To announce something while there is a active speculation about exclusivity is something else. Stop dreaming.

I will update my predictions to include TRANSFORMERS or SHREK going out in millions of millions (either TWIN or COMBO HD DVD/DVD) discs to replace SD DVD versions.

How ironic would it be that Blu-Ray crowd would have to buy an HD DVD movie to watch as SD DVD. LOL.. I guess they can also start building their HD DVD libraries. ;):D

Or how would that show numbers to Blockbuster when they get this version only for rentals :)

Now THAT would be an interesting turn of events. I don't really see it happening because I don't think they could get the price down of a twin or combo disc to what it should be. Paramount wouldn't wanna leave any money on the table if the price was outside of that sweet spot for new release sd-dvd's.

But damn, that would be an awesome play!!:D:D:D

Babe Ruth calling a home run was arrogant, but he was right so it's forgiven. If he was wrong though, he would have been considered an ass.

He was considered an ass.....and a drunk one. So bad analogy.

Warner has just announced Ocean 11,12,13 on both formats. Warner will not be exclusive. I told you so.

just like Paramount announced Blades of Glory on BD and two weeks later cancelled it, right?

There was no open talk about change of loyalty then. Now there is an open rumor. To announce something while there is a active speculation about exclusivity is something else. Stop dreaming.
Until both formats of O11/12/13 are available in-store for purchase, don't count on any guarantees in this world - I agree w/ Susiol's comment! Unless, of course, priesteria has insider information and are willing to back it up w/ facts. :confused:

And lay off nfinity, would ya??? GEEZ!!! Let the guy speak his opinion without giving him an earful, even if appearing arrogant!! Give him credit for having the 'nads to put it in writing! Personally I hope he's right as I'm an HD DVD supporter, but I'm not holding him to his prediction. AND I think some posters here should stay off-line a bit and watch more dang movies for a while! ;)

Can't we all just get along?!?! :p

And lay off nfinity, would ya??? GEEZ!!! Let the guy speak his opinion without giving him an earful, even if appearing arrogant!! Give him credit for having the 'nads to put it in writing!One of the few people on my ignore list. I wish people would quit quoting his posts:rolleyes:.

Well, CEDIA should be interesting nontheless and I hope there are some cool things for both camps to see.

One of the few people on my ignore list. I wish people would quit quoting his posts:rolleyes:.

How does that ignore list work anyway? I might have to put beatboy on mine! Na, it is too much fun rebuking his posts!

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