Uh Oh, one of my units (my fav too :() was on a screen saying don't turn off the unit, it was doing an upgrade.

I know it can't do one over the phone, and the phone line was not busy anyway, so what's going on. I pulled the plug as I don't want any more upgrades anyway.

Anyone else seen this lately? It was 2 am pacific time and the progress showed it was a few percent done.

I know there's 2 copies of the system area, so I figured it would be safe to pull the plug. I powered it up and it seemed ok and nothing lost or changed. No upgrades are scheduled. Is this the beginning of the end for my disk drive? I know it's been running for nearly 5 years or more non-stop.

Mine just said the same thing! I must have hit the OK button and maybe accidentally cancelled it or something, said upgrade failed...

WTF? Any update at this point can't be good...

That might not be a problem.

If after an update the UTV doesn't "take" the OS or wants to do it all over again... Then you probably have a drive issue. Check your power,IDE, and drive for issues. (PULL YOUR ACCESS CARD FIRST!!!)

UTVs sometimes are "blind" to a hard drive. Replacement is usually a quick and easy fix. The "bad" drive might then be unlocked and used in a PC or other applications. Various Drive Testing programs can tell you if there is a real problem. If your PC has the same issue (auto-detect or manually "see" an unlocked drive)... then it is toast.

I have it on good authority that Microsoft is releasing an upgrade for UltimateTV. It is required to maintain compatibility with DirecTV. Don't interfere with the upgrade process.

Hmmm, this could screw up my backup plan where I have the 3.7 utv image in a file in case I need to winhex it to a new drive.

I have vonage and that won't work with upgrades once the sat feed is gone.

Wonder why it only affected one of my units.

Is there still a 3.7 update in the stream? I checked my UTV and it still says 3.5.

AFAIK there has been no 3.7 in the stream for years. That's why I bought a CD with a copy of 3.7 off of ebay some years ago. I've used that to replace a bad drive on 2 occasions instead of trying to get it by phone line. Of course, this requires some PC expertise and the software to do the update. But I had invested since I thought there'd be no more utv upgrades, ever.

There are so-called "image-begging" internet sites where you could find a 3.7, but if there's another update about to happen, then I would think you'd get 3.7+ like the rest of us and that this would be in the stream.

I remember 3.5 and 3.7 is far better. In fact, if we'd only have had 3.5 all these years, I'd probably be looking at moving to something else.

One of my units took the upgrade last night, but there is no sign of it in history. It does show up in the upgrades screen, however.

No additional features that I can find as of yet...

jimmyo,

If it shows in the "Upgrade" and "System Info" screens... Could you post the version #s? Is it still 3.7(version 28218)?

On another board, it was stated that this upgrade might be like one that was required on the tivos having to do with a new guide data format.

I guess if mine starts updating again, I'll let it complete, if it can.

I have it on good authority that Microsoft is releasing an upgrade for UltimateTV. It is required to maintain compatibility with DirecTV. Don't interfere with the upgrade process.

DO you work for Dave?:mad:

My six year old unit upgraded to Version 3.8 (28230). It sure shocked me when I turned it on and it said it had upgraded itself. I have no idea what the upgrade does. I haven't noticed anything different so far.

doyoid,

This might be a dumb thing to say... but with 3.7 the UTV's "help" section pointed out some of the "new" features... If we compared the "Help" screens of 3.7 and 3.8 we might see some differences. IF the programmers went to the trouble of updating the Help Screens.

I'm trying to recall if 3.7 still has a pic of the WTC (pre 9-11-01) in the help section.

Well, this does sound like they didn't add any features, but only provided us with compatibility with current DTV signals.

This should indicate that rumors of the UTV demise has been greatly exaggerated.:D

i've been having trouble receiving some channels (Discovery, usa, and a couple others). could this be related?

i've received no update yet.

Did the earlier software version have a feature that would warn you if a program to be recorded might run long? The record symbol looks different. I saw this in the version 3.8 help section.

For those of us with no update so far, anyone pulled the image off their drive yet?

Anyone using a new slimline 5-LNB dish? I just switched out my 3-LNB when I got an HR20 installed and now my UTV can't pickup the satellites. Without a satellite signal, it won't show me what I had in the scheduled recordings so that I can make the same programs in the HR20. I don't think my box had gotten the update before I switched dishes.

Mine auto-upgraded about 1:30am this morning. Here are some things I've noticed:


In the guide, the show description to the right of the live TV preview PIP, the font color has changed to white (I believe it was a shade of green before?)
http://www.Photo-Host.org/img/684956whitefont.jpg (http://www.Photo-Host.org)
When accessing a show from "My Shows" that has been partially watched, there is now an additional "Start Over" button immediately above "Resume Play" (in addition to the usual "Erase" and "Keep Until" buttons. If you stop a show in the middle, the screen is as normal with "erase", "start over" and "resume play" buttons only.
http://www.Photo-Host.org/img/020927startoverbutton.jpg (http://www.Photo-Host.org)
The progress bar on the bottom of the screen while watching a recorded show (either when you push Play or FF or Rewind, etc) is now transparent (in the same vein as the top-right play, FF, or rewind icon)
http://www.Photo-Host.org/img/781032transparentbar.jpg (http://www.Photo-Host.org)


As you can see, these are quite random, and not necessarily anything that I would say I needed. Please post if anyone notices any other changes. One upgrade every 4 years.. I can't even believe my UltimateTV is still functioning after 5 years. BTW, looking under "help" on the box just explains the changes from the last upgrade in 2003, they didn't update it for this new upgrade.

OK I just found something that changed which I definitely appreciate.

My Shows-->Upcoming Recordings-->select one-->"change just this showing" (if applicable)-->there is a new "credits" button underneath the show description (along with the old buttons "dont record", "options", and "done". This is huge, because previously I would have to go through the guide, and then the info button and then the credits button to find out if a show is airing for the first time or if it is a re-run, which was a pain

http://www.Photo-Host.org/img/767979creditsbutton.jpg (http://www.Photo-Host.org)

The official word about the 3.8 update is up on www.ultimateTV.com. Here is what it says regarding the purpose of this update:

"The Summer 2007 Update has been released to maintain compatibility with the DirecTV service so your UltimateTV will continue to record programs as expected. Without the update, your UltimateTV may record the wrong program or miss recording a program. "

I've been told that this is first being broadcast to the pacific time zone and that the other time zones will follow in a few days.

Cheers!

http://www.ultimatetv.com/summer2007update.asp

Thanks. I have been noticing in the past couple of weeks some strange recording behavior in the early morning. Instead of recording an hour long program from 6-7am, it would say it recorded at that time, but the recording would contain programming which airs from 630-730am.

This morning it recorded perfectly so maybe the update fixed it. I had assumed it was just a sign my box was going to die soon.

The official word about the 3.8 update is up on www.ultimateTV.com.

I've been told that this is first being broadcast to the pacific time zone and that the other time zones will follow in a few days.

Cheers!

OK so if I may ask. Is this being "broadcast" in the SAT stream or via modem dialup? Early talk suggested a modem download. But if they are going "mainstream" and "pushing" the update I won't go to the trouble of wiring up all my UTVs for hardline access. :) I'll just wait for the Central TZ rollout.

I had tried a download with 8675309 last night but no luck. Not sure if it checks the UTV's "TZ" setting OR by dialup area code to determine if a user gets 3.8 or not.

As for the "credits" upgrade of 3.8. I think I'll LOVE that. Particularly if the info. is available after it records AND during "current" programs. I recall with 3.7 it was only available on FUTURE shows. If it was showing LIVE or already recorded it omitted that option.

As for the more "pleasant" GUI... I might enjoy the more clear WHITE text over the green. Assuming the WHITE doesn't tend to "bleed". More transparent controls... great. Anyone test for "RUN AWAY FF"? I'll probably stay with the skip functions but you never know.

per www.ultimatetv.com the update is coming via satellite and should be complete by 9/15/07. if you don't have it by the 15th, it recommends dialling in for the modem update.

Ok, my first unit upgraded to 3.8. The only indication was that it was on the tv-home page, which is where it goes after a powerup.

No, there's no credits in current shows that I can see.

My unit says the current upgrade was at 1:42 am earlier today. 28230.

I have vonage, and the utv site mentions that voip will probably not work. I can confirm that one.

Good question about getting the image off the drive, as I don't really know how to do that myself and it required some hot cable switching as I recall. I have a spare utv and maybe I'll have to hook it up for a while and switch in my card to get the upgrade.

The ! in a red ball has been in 3.7 and I don't have any shows scheduled to record that would indicate that has changed. The rest of the help is the 3.7 help. At least the item latest features has not changed (I can view both 3.7 and 3.8 on my 2 units).


I did verify that the runaway FF/REW is still there :(

Good news is that it doesn't seem to have messed up anything. My oldest kept show is a PPV Lord of the Rings, and it is still there, so it's not deleting any old shows.

Hmm, the somewhat transparent progress might help as it often covered the time left in a basketball game making it hard to skip to the last 5 minutes. Maybe this will help. But I wonder why they changed this at all. I wanted to see a two color progress guide, with one color to show how much buffering ahead you have when viewing something that's still recording. Oh well, guess I'll just have to wait 4 more years.

Good question about getting the image off the drive, as I don't really know how to do that myself and it required some hot cable switching as I recall. I have a spare utv and maybe I'll have to hook it up for a while and switch in my card to get the upgrade.

The procedure is in the FAQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=481511). I assume it will work the same with this update?

As for the "credits" upgrade of 3.8. I think I'll LOVE that. Particularly if the info. is available after it records AND during "current" programs. I recall with 3.7 it was only available on FUTURE shows. If it was showing LIVE or already recorded it omitted that option.

Credits is available for live recordings, but not for already recorded shows

As already stated, runaway FF/RW is still a problem. Also, it is still a problem where if you are watching a show that is still recording, it can randomly stop recording before the show is done. Is this a known bug, or is there something I can do to prevent it? I've seen lots of mention of runaway FF in various FAQ's but not the stop recording problem

The procedure is in the FAQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=481511). I assume it will work the same with time update?

Ah, yes, you have to unplug a running utv's ide cable and plug this into your computer.

I wonder, though, since winhex will work with a usb drive, I wonder if a safer technique is to use a usb enclosure. Then you could pull the ide cable, plug in the one with the enclosure - with the power off to be safe - and then when you plug in the usb and turn on the power, it should be recognized. I've never tried this however.

I've seen lots of mention of runaway FF in various FAQ's but not the stop recording problem

I've only ever seen that on a power fail, but even then it starts re-recording after it comes up. And power fail is also what they call a crash/reboot.

Check your history. It usually explains why something like that would happen.

I've only ever seen that on a power fail, but even then it starts re-recording after it comes up. And power fail is also what they call a crash/reboot.

Check your history. It usually explains why something like that would happen.

It says "Began recording as scheduled, and was manually stopped at 4:23:52 PM." Of course, I didn't stop it; and I had to start the recording again manually. I understand what you're saying about the power fail/crash; I've had that multiple times and it starts recording immediately upon reboot.

It says "Began recording as scheduled, and was manually stopped at 4:23:52 PM." Of course, I didn't stop it; and I had to start the recording again manually. I understand what you're saying about the power fail/crash; I've had that multiple times and it starts recording immediately upon reboot.

So to be clear... NO Remote activity was happening at the time it stopped?

I know UTVs can get "bogged" down once and a while... sometimes responding slow (or acting hyper). Prior to the "STOP" did the Power light flicker (showing a remote command)? Just wondering if a rogue remote command might be at fault.

History isn't always literally correct. I recently disconnected the feed to a multi-switch leaving my Sony UTV with no SAT access. It still had upcoming recordings (with channel 0 00 listed) and several No Length Recordings. I was concerned I lost a tuner or something. I reset the unit and it came back with ZERO! Upcoming recordings I got a bit concerned until I noticed the cable wasn't connected to the SAT anymore.

The History Log said the shows were "Preempted by broadcaster" instead of "No Sat Feed available". Since I use channel 1020 a lot and don't watch channels "live" this kind of issue could go unnoticed for a time... Luckily I spotted it.

Hmmm, never had a manual stop happen w/o me doing something.

You might try the power off for 5-10 minute (pull plug) trick, as that often fixes any strange issues I might be having.

Yep,

Good house keeping. Keep those UTVs clean and cool... AND reset them once and a while.

Imagine there may be some UTVs that have been running 365 for near 7 years now... with only occasional power loss under less then ideal install conditions.

Just like a PC these UTVs are computers and do need the occasional TLC (yet they are running 24/7). A simple can of compressed air to clean out a UTV's vent holes and internal fan once a year (without even opening the case) can go a long way to keep things from getting out of hand.

A look "under the hood" (PULL ACCESS CARD) is even better. You can better address heat source problems and get at the pesky dust bunnies making a home in the Hard Drive Housing. :)

I got the 3.8 upgrade too. Very surprised. I haven't seen anything too shocking, but it does seem faster.

So to be clear... NO Remote activity was happening at the time it stopped?

I know UTVs can get "bogged" down once and a while... sometimes responding slow (or acting hyper). Prior to the "STOP" did the Power light flicker (showing a remote command)? Just wondering if a rogue remote command might be at fault.

History isn't always literally correct. I recently disconnected the feed to a multi-switch leaving my Sony UTV with no SAT access. It still had upcoming recordings (with channel 0 00 listed) and several No Length Recordings. I was concerned I lost a tuner or something. I reset the unit and it came back with ZERO! Upcoming recordings I got a bit concerned until I noticed the cable wasn't connected to the SAT anymore.

The History Log said the shows were "Preempted by broadcaster" instead of "No Sat Feed available". Since I use channel 1020 a lot and don't watch channels "live" this kind of issue could go unnoticed for a time... Luckily I spotted it.

There may have been remote control activity when it stopped. However, I didn't hit "stop" at all. Maybe fastforward/rewind/30 second skip forward, etc. I'll keep an eye out for the power light flickering, but I haven't noticed that. Thanks.

Found another change:

The "searching guide" box is now much smaller, so it no longer obscures the PIP in the top right corner

Found another change:

The "searching guide" box is now much smaller, so it no longer obscures the PIP in the top right corner

So when using the search feature we have a PIP window? Or you mean via the guide? Either way that is cool. But "adding" Video (besides audio) when using the FULL Search window is a major upgrade...

Just gave the UTV FAQ a reread and it seems to hold up OK with 3.8's current release. Just a brief mention of 3.7 and HU/P4 cards. (Which would be changed to 3.8 and P4/D1/D2(P12) cards) Otherwise it seems up to date.

Adding a summary of any/all the 3.8 changes found over the next few weeks/months might be the only new thing we should add.

Markpregen I'm loving the posting of 3.8 changes so far. Keep up the good work. Can't wait for my own updates.

Much to my surprise both of our RCA UTV's took the upgrades without a hitch. I meant to post about it but forgot. Mine cane down during the earlier hours in California. I put my in standby when not is use when I turned it on the update screen announced it was completed.

It's good then these units are still being supported. I wonder how many are still in service. I looked at the new Directv HD units, read all the forums and said forget it. I have a discontinued Hughes HD E8 that's working great but had a tuner replaced once.

Other then going through 2 or 3 UTV drives that's the only problem they have been then they run for 3 or 4 years.

Microsoft really made some good hardware much of which they discontinued which is to bad. I still use their keyboards, joysticks and of course utv's. And since NT I've never had any manger computer issues either. Although their patches kind of get old when to have 3 or 4 systems and do updates over a modem.

That's it here. :)

Enjoy
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Found another change:

The "searching guide" box is now much smaller, so it no longer obscures the PIP in the top right corner

Ah, I see. It's when you do the next results on a search. I forget how big it was before. But mine is in the upper left corner.

I'm wondering if these weren't little features that were being added when the plug got pulled, and only now are showing up because they had to do an upgrade and nobody remembered exactly where the latest official code was.

I wonder if there's some programmer back there smiling to him/herself knowing their "lost" effort is finally being appreciated. It seems strange that they wouldn't mention these in some sort of new features addendum if they really had intended to add new features.

Agreed if someone went to the trouble of "tweaking" the GUI, beyond adjusting the program guide data format... then they could have mentioned in a foot note. "We've also streamlined a few menu displays for your viewing pleasure."

It doesn't seem 3.7 big but still help a poor UTVer find/use 3.8 features to the fullest. Assuming there is a "lost" feature tucked in there.

Can I see USB Hard Drive or 137GB+ support!

sdrynan wrote this on 04-23-03 "3.7 Rollout Schedule

I just got off the phone with msntv of all places. Here is what they said:

Here is the rollout schedule for 3.7

April 22,23 Mountain Time Zone
April 24,25 Pacific Time Zone
April 29,30 Central Time Zone
May 1,2 Eastern Time Zone


Oh how it is hard to live on the East Coast"

Anyone happen to know 3.8's "roll out" schedule? I just did some Calculations based on 3.7's roll out and I'm thinking if the "official" roll out started on the 5th and ends on the 15th then Mountain and Pacific TZs have got the update and Central and East TZs should get it early/late this coming week.

Wow -- I don't have much to add except to say that my wife noticed first. I was certain that the four options now when you open up a show you previously recorded/started playing was just a flaw. I was going to 8675309 it. But when my wife comes home I'm going to tell her that SHE was RIGHT!

:-)

-Jesse

I used refresh services to move my access card to my spare, and got the 3.8 for it last night. Then moved the card back to current unit and refreshed again. Worked like a charm. So, now I have 3.8 on all my units.

So, I won't be needing a copy in a disk file for a while. But I wonder, does this mean it has swapped the two OS image areas on the harddrive? So, to get the image, how would one know which of the two is the 3.8 - isn't the 3.7 still there in the other OS area?

Rocket... I don't think it swaps locations. I believe it changes a value at a location, which tells the UTV which location to boot from.
If I could remember, which I don't, you could just go to the said location and see which value is in the said spot and that would tell you which location has 3.8.... 3.7 will be in the old location still.
But it has been so long, I don't even know where to find this info on my computer anymore!
Oh I miss my UTV.

Maybe the DDB forum will start filling with new threads soon.

So, I won't be needing a copy in a disk file for a while. But I wonder, does this mean it has swapped the two OS image areas on the harddrive? So, to get the image, how would one know which of the two is the 3.8 - isn't the 3.7 still there in the other OS area?1st image sector (hex) 631811 (dec) 13480600 (sector) 631811 (hex) 13480600 (dec) 323487232
2nd image sector (hex) 697347 (dec) 15480600 (sector) 697347 (hex) 15480600 (dec) 357041664
The image sector that boots will have ASCII test FSNo somewhere in the first few lines of the first sector, the old image sector will allot of 01 01 01 or something like that. Mine has not upgraded yet, and with all the custom screens and text modifications I have done over the years I really do not want to do it all over again.

That's more what I ment to say ;)

1st image sector (hex) 631811 (dec) 13480600
2nd image sector (hex) 697347 (dec) 15480600
The image sector that boots will have ASCII test FSNo somewhere in the first few lines of the first sector, the old image sector will allot of 01 01 01 or something like that. Mine has not upgraded yet, and with all the custom screens and text modifications I have done over the years I really do not want to do it all over again.


Nice summary- that goes right in my digital post-it notes under utv tips.

Sounds like you've really figured out the UTV on disk layout.:cool: Do you just patch the 3.7 image or do you find other files on the disk and modify them as well?

What sorts of mods did you make?

Sounds like you've really figured out the UTV on disk layout.:cool: Do you just patch the 3.7 image or do you find other files on the disk and modify them as well?

What sorts of mods did you make?Modified the files then rebuilt the image. There are three section the entire image.

1st is the System image
2nd is the BrowerData image
3rd is the Storage image

All changes except one is in the Browser Data image, the other one that took me forever to find is in the Storage image.
I have changed the background colors and text layout to allow more show information, changed all the MY Shows text to Bryan's shows. Added Bryan (or other named units as I still have 4) next to the channel number in guide so I can tell which unit is playing. Changed the guide text area to black background with white text for easier reading, moved the icons to under the PIP window to allow more text are for show description. Changed the local call letters to there actual network (i.e. IN13 to NBC) everywhere except for the grid, I finally gave up on that one. I was able to change the My Shows line in the grid to Bryan's Shows though. Changed or added logos on some stations. My screen saver has 9 different images it goes thru. But the one I use the most is I pulled the episode number from the shows and added that information to the channel info, credits, upcoming shows, series list, auto record, and the My shows screens. I find that quite useful when determining if I have already seen a show, or when I forgot to start recording a series from the beginning and have to play catch up on recording repeats. There are probably a few other things that I have forgot about. If I get the upgrade and want to personalize I will have to fire up the old computer and get back into it again.

Wow, 5 stars. A true master of the UTV!:cool::cool::cool:

When I've looked at the image, the only thing I could even recognize was some text with 0's between the characters.

So, you've pretty much reverse engineered the layout of the image.

I didn't know it was possible to hack the utv; I knew that tivo users had figured it out since it was a linux system. Did you do all this yourself, or did you have some inside info, if I may ask:)

Wow, 5 stars. A true master of the UTV!:cool::cool::cool:

When I've looked at the image, the only thing I could even recognize was some text with 0's between the characters.

So, you've pretty much reverse engineered the layout of the image.

I didn't know it was possible to hack the utv; I knew that tivo users had figured it out since it was a linux system. Did you do all this yourself, or did you have some inside info, if I may ask:)MANY, MANY thanks to people like BlueCop, MrBlack, Alphawolf, trd, Sachmo and others at DDB who provided the programs to extract the images for the UTV. The only thing I can take credit for is having too much free time on my hands and wanted my units personalized to my liking. I tend to go a little overboard, what started out as just changing the title screen in my shows lead to all the other items.

I'm in Miami and I woke up to see that at least one of my receivers got hit with 3.8. I even tried to take the countermeasure of recording on both tuners from 3-4AM so I would have some time to make sure I got my 3.7 image somewhere.

I'm going to see if I can rip out the image, have there been any better places to post up the file or should I just use the service the last person used?

I was going to say... Central Time Zone must have 3.8 too... my bedroom UTV got 3.8 a bit before 4AM... I only had one tuner connected on that one... it was tuned to PBS all night and was still on that channel after 6AM .

Got no warning or "updated" message... I just had to look it up. Figured it might take Tuesday morning.... I'll have to check my other units and see how they faired.

DTV's "secret" update... I wonder how many UTVers are noticing/realizing the OS is being updated. Any "minor" tweaks to the UI might be brushed off as some kind of "setting" issue and ignored.?

I now have 3.8 on my units. There were only 6 file changes that affected my custom screens so it won't be much work to get those inserted.

RandCfilm: So, you already got the 3.8 off your utv? Do you do anything different to grab the image, or use the unplug the ide cable while powered up and connect to another pc, then boot the pc etc. trick.

Do you have any opinion on using a usb enclosure, to avoid needing to open up a pc? I know winhex works on a usb drive, and it would be so much easier, not even requiring a pc reboot. And I got a 25 foot usb extension cable so I wouldn't even have to move any equipment.

Did you use sachmo's partion tools to replace the images?

RandCfilm: So, you already got the 3.8 off your utv? Do you do anything different to grab the image, or use the unplug the ide cable while powered up and connect to another pc, then boot the pc etc. trick.Yes, pulled the image this evening after I got home. I actually have and IDE switch board in my UTV. I theory I am doing the hot swap process.


Do you have any opinion on using a usb enclosure, to avoid needing to open up a pc? I know winhex works on a usb drive, and it would be so much easier, not even requiring a pc reboot. And I got a 25 foot usb extension cable so I wouldn't even have to move any equipment.No opinion on usb enclosure. I believe if you are using windows XP or newer you do not have to reboot the pc, once you connect the drive you just have to scan for new hardware. The PC that has all my UTV stuff on it is Windows 98 and you can not hot swap dirves with win98, I am pretty sure I have done it with my XP machine.

Did you use sachmo's partion tools to replace the images?No, I have never tried to use them. I use a program to rebuild the browser image after I make changes, then I have to insert the new image onto the disk.

I attempted to pull the image but no luck. I tried hotswapping with a USB to IDE adapter and the original method in the FAQ and in both cases the drive appeared to still be locked. Winhex could not read it. This was an unsubbed unit with no access card. This unit was hooked up last night with no card and it got the update. Is the card required to unlock the drive or am I doing something else wrong?

I attempted to pull the image but no luck. I tried hotswapping with a USB to IDE adapter and the original method in the FAQ and in both cases the drive appeared to still be locked. Winhex could not read it. This was an unsubbed unit with no access card. This unit was hooked up last night with no card and it got the update. Is the card required to unlock the drive or am I doing something else wrong?No card is required to hot swap the drive. I would start the UTV and let it run for a few minuets to load, then have the PC ready, swap IDE cables and let the PC finish loading.
What OS are you using on the PC?
On my PC I have to pause right after the Compaq logo goes off and the cursor starts to blink at the top of the screen, much after that the PC does not see the drive.

The PC I was using is Windows 2000. Do I need to use XP? The drive was recognized but acted like it was locked. Same as if I had pulled the drive from a powered off UTV. I may try again with a different UTV.

The PC I was using is Windows 2000. Do I need to use XP? The drive was recognized but acted like it was locked. Same as if I had pulled the drive from a powered off UTV. I may try again with a different UTV.AFAIK Windows 2000 will work. You might try pausing the PC at different points. My Win98 I have to pause a few seconds after the logo goes off, my WinXP I have to pause after the lights blink on the keyboard.

Actually on XP, you can boot Windows all the way through and then go under Add New Hardware in Control Panel and it will detect the drive once you have it plugged in. The USB enclosure thing didn't work for me.

I finally ripped out the 3.8 image, but as I've never created a Torrent before I'm not 100% sure I did it right. I'm testing it to another computer and it's not downloading. I'm using demonoid as the tracker, I'll post again once I can confirm it's working properly. Are we allowed to post the link to the torrent?

Actually on XP, you can boot Windows all the way through and then go under Add New Hardware in Control Panel and it will detect the drive once you have it plugged in. The USB enclosure thing didn't work for me.I posted earlier I thought you could do that with XP, good to know my memory has not totally failed me.

Maybe you could put it on rapidshare? I don't know what the rules are about posting the link. Should be no problem on DDB.

Okay, I got the torrent uploading on demonoid. I wasn't expecting five people to be waiting for it to seed, wow...

I'm grabbing it right now

Just noticed my caller id display is no longer working after the 3.8 (28230) update. Anyone else?

My box updated Tues. morning. I guess now that I think about it, mine hasn't showed calls as well. My caller ID has only worked when it wants to any way. Some times it will show, sometimes it won't. It is still a nice feature. I hope they didn't inadvertently kill it with the new code in 3.8.

Is it possible Caller ID "reverts" to a disabled mode after the update? Or maybe tweak other related settings?

I was rather surprised to see the "system upgraded" screen when I turned my unit on just now. The first change I noticed was some of the sounds that it makes when you select stuff were gone. Then they started up again after I played the first program. I guess the digital output just needed a kick in the seat to get going...

I like the new playback controls (Resume or Start Over), but it kind of messes with me having the PIP window on the left in the guide since I'm so used to it being on the right. I'll get used to it, though.

Overall, even if the changes are small, I like it. It just caught me by surprise.

Is it possible Caller ID "reverts" to a disabled mode after the update? Or maybe tweak other related settings?

Good question. The option is still there for me, but I had it intentionally turned off. At one point, I was getting a lot of telemarketing calls, so I didn't want it popping up all the time.

I didn't notice the pip window move when viewing the guide. I do know they changed the colors to white. And when I had 3.7 on one unit and 3.8 on the other, I compared the same guide and both had the pip on the left. Maybe you are just noticing the color change. Does anyone else remember? I do know that some places have the pip on the left (guide) others on the right (myshows).

Okay, I got the torrent uploading on demonoid. I wasn't expecting five people to be waiting for it to seed, wow...

where is that link?

My caller ID is working fine with 3.8

hmm.. thanks. time I upgraded the hd I guess.

Here is a simple way to download v3.8 image if you don't know how to use torrents.
http://download.yousendit.com/D2FF1F803B621989

link only good for 7 days

Thanks to Midnight Raver for uploading it.

hmm.. thanks. time I upgraded the hd I guess.

You've already tried the various "setting" possibilities... before trying a hard drive upgrade to "repair" your Caller ID problem?

Well, before I noticed the 3.8 upload, I decided I wanted to try getting the image myself from a usb drive. And I was sucessful, but it was a bit tricky.

First off, I used my spare w/o an access card and no sat connection. I hooked up a spare monitor and watched it say it was trying to get the guide.

The first try was to then unplug the ide cable, and with power off on the usb enclosure, plug it in, plug in the usb cable to the computer and then turn on the power.

This must send some sort of reset which re-locks the drive. Winhex and hddscan (a cool drive tester) both said the usb drive was up and knew it's size etc. but could not read.

Then I unplugged the usb enclosure ide cable but left it powered up. My win2k system didn't notice as the usb was still powered up and plugged in.

Next step, power down utv, plug in ide again, power up utv, and then swapped the ide cable over to the usb enclosure cable. This time the drive was unlocked and readable, as windows 2000 didn't know of the swap. Then with winhex, I extracted the 3.8 image.

So, in case anyone ever needs to do this, it worked.

I dloaded the one listed above by klassic and compared them and except that mine was 8 bytes larger (with zeros in the extra 8 bytes) they are otherwise identical.

I have corrected location descriptions in my earlier post here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11573134&postcount=46) I forgot to enter (dec) values and had shifted (sector) (hex) labels. Hope this didn't cause many problems for anybody. If you are use to working with WinHex you probably figured out what I had done.

My caller ID still works, guess it is still intermittent like it's always been. The phone signal out here in the boonies is pretty poor. Some days its scratchy, some days its not.. The days you get the service rep to come out the signal is as clean as can be... Never fails...

klassic, thanks for the link to the 3.8 image.

Well, before I noticed the 3.8 upload, I decided I wanted to try getting the image myself from a usb drive. And I was sucessful, but it was a bit tricky.

First off, I used my spare w/o an access card and no sat connection. I hooked up a spare monitor and watched it say it was trying to get the guide.

The first try was to then unplug the ide cable, and with power off on the usb enclosure, plug it in, plug in the usb cable to the computer and then turn on the power.

This must send some sort of reset which re-locks the drive. Winhex and hddscan (a cool drive tester) both said the usb drive was up and knew it's size etc. but could not read.

Then I unplugged the usb enclosure ide cable but left it powered up. My win2k system didn't notice as the usb was still powered up and plugged in.

Next step, power down utv, plug in ide again, power up utv, and then swapped the ide cable over to the usb enclosure cable. This time the drive was unlocked and readable, as windows 2000 didn't know of the swap. Then with winhex, I extracted the 3.8 image.

So, in case anyone ever needs to do this, it worked.

I dloaded the one listed above by klassic and compared them and except that mine was 8 bytes larger (with zeros in the extra 8 bytes) they are otherwise identical.

Thanks for establishing that procedure...that's one thing I'm afraid to do, take the hard drive off the enclosure and put it back in unlocked! It will save everyone a lot of trouble!

And yeah, I wondered how I was going to verify I had the end of the file, but when I looked at WinHex I saw that the last few bytes of 3.7 and 3.8 were just zeroes so I made both the same size. As I recall, though I don't have the file in front of me, the 3.5 file was a wee bit smaller.

I have an enclosure where the case separates completely from the electronics. I got it for about $20. See the attached pic. I use this for temporary hookups of ide drives. Here's some data on it.

http://www.eprom.com/home/CINTRE/zdisc_ci330u2bk.html

The front and rear are plastic that are connected by a long ribbon cable. I was able to connect to the UTV drive w/o taking the drive out of the UTV. I used the UTV power and just wiggled out the ide connector.

The nice thing about this enclosure is the wire loop attached to the ide connector so you can pull it out w/o having to yank on the ide cable.