As I write this 227 users are logged on to this software forum while 143 are in the corresponding BD. Hardware also has more visitors in HD DVD. I've been noticing that for some time the HD DVD sections are more populated than the BD ones.

Just an observation. But I think HD DVD has some momentum these days.

I think it's always been ahead! I think the main reason is Price! People understand they can get full 1080P HD video with great sound for half the price so why not buy it!

I think it's always been ahead! I think the main reason is Price! People understand they can get full 1080P HD video with great sound for half the price so why not buy it!

Not only that, but the number of users visiting HD DVD player area often pushes 700+.

HD DVD has always had more, and always will :)

the people here are very conscientious consumers. not swayed by fancy mass marketing schemes. they look at the pros and cons based on factual data. cost, capabilities, availability, etc...

it really should be an easy choice to make when you cut out all the flim-flam and get down to earth when you buy!:D

That's because half the blu-ray people and Sony's paid FUD'ers are always over here more than their own forum :p

Thats because the party is always over in HD-DVD world!

That's because half the blu-ray people and Sony's paid FUD'ers are always over here more than their own forum :p

Yes, I am certain there are Sony bots programmed to log in (and potentially post) automatically at pre-designated times... just to give the illusion of hope!

Don't forget many of them have sworn off this forum and ran off to thier own site (blu-ray.com) free of all of us nasty "HD DUD" trolls!!! On noes!

It's been like that here since the launch of both formats.

The momemtum definitely has picked up since the P/DW announcement. AVS has gone from very pro-BD (before launch, me and maybe 5 guys had anything good to say about HD DVD) to pretty strongly pro-HD DVD (after BD launch, up to PS3 launch); to pretty close to even (for most of this year); and now seems pretty pro-HD DVD. In the meantime (a couple of months ago) I bought a PS3, and have since aquired 40 or so BD's. Never bought into HD DVD, but may still. Been intested in the Sammy Dou player since first hearing of it.

I do think the traffic may be related to lot's of the pro-BD crowd staying on Blu-ray.com. I spend some time there (haven't posted much), but like to keep some balance. AVS is starting to become as radical on the HD DVD side as the BD side ever was. There's logical poster's in both camps, but their voices tend to get drowned out.

There's logical poster's in both camps, but their voices tend to get drowned out.

so true.

AVS reflects whats in the market IMO.

AVS reflects whats in the market IMO.

Good point. Lower player prices = larger potential market.

Well, I think it's mostly because this is a forum that has alot of early adopters and HD-DVD was out first so they have more people.

The rest of the country is buying Blu-Ray.

Well, I think it's mostly because this is a forum that has alot of early adopters and HD-DVD was out first so they have more people.

The rest of the country is buying Blu-Ray.

its too bad they aren't buying stand-alone players. not in the face of so many good deals going on. and the attachment of users to the ps3 is hardly significant. i think that that alone is what made paramount and dreamworks change face about hdm. 1.3 movies per player isn't what studios want to hear about their distribution/market penetration.

I think it's always been ahead! I think the main reason is Price! People understand they can get full 1080P HD video with great sound for half the price so why not buy it!

Not really. Where can you get a new 1080p HD-DVD player for half the price of sony's BDP-S301... or Samsung's BDP-1200?

Comparing cheapest 1080p player to 1080p player, the toshiba HD-A20 is about $110 less. It also does not have Multichannel analog Audio output.

What also helps is that HD-DVD isn't locked to a specific region. So many users are importing nice movies that are available on HD-DVD released in other countries but sadly not in their country of residence.

AVS reflects whats in the market IMO.

Then what do Neilson numbers reflect?

:confused:

Then what do Neilson numbers reflect?

:confused:

the neilson numbers are severely limited and don't include many online distributors.

i'll echo something i read earlier today concerning reporting sales. and that is that the different studios should report exact numbers, they know their exact sales numbers and would give a much more accurate method of reporting that information.

Then what do Neilson numbers reflect?

:confused:

It's true that the PS3 has impacted the movie sales in favor of Blu-Ray, however there's as much as a 4 to 1 advantage of HD DVD standalone ownership. Those who own standalones (imho) would be more likely to browse the avsforum as opposed to a gaming forum.

BD threads were catching up fast before the Paramoung dreamworks .. but after the announcements - the the HD DVD thread visitor figures sky rocketted. :D :D

I think it's mainly because of price and the fact recent announcements.

I joined HDDVD....would I be opposed to BD? Probably not, However price kept me away. HDDVD hit that price point first so I jumped.

And now with the way things are going I'll most likely wait to go BD if ever because I personally feel things are looking up for HDDVD.

Time will tell and each their own but I think many have been on the fence and wanted a new format but were waiting for the right price. I never really hit either forum but now that I"m an HDDVD owner I'm here daily...go figure.

HDDVD hit it first so the flood gates are open.

Not really. Where can you get a new 1080p HD-DVD player for half the price of sony's BDP-S301... or Samsung's BDP-1200?

Comparing cheapest 1080p player to 1080p player, the toshiba HD-A20 is about $110 less. It also does not have Multichannel analog Audio output.

FUD FUD FUD... As long as your TV deinterlaces properly there is no difference between a 1080i and a 1080p signal from a HD DVD player.

Well, I think it's mostly because this is a forum that has alot of early adopters and HD-DVD was out first so they have more people.


Beat me to it; I think it's because the early adopters all bought into HD-DVD, due to it coming out about 6 months ahead.

Don't forget many of them have sworn off this forum and ran off to thier own site (blu-ray.com) free of all of us nasty "HD DUD" trolls!!! On noes!
We should do a fly by raid, one at a time, all of us. :D

Haven't you heard??? AVS is the last Bastion for HD Dud supporters. Everywhere else (and I mean EVERYWHERE else) Blu-Ray reigns supreme.

That's because the Blu-Ray people are on the PS3 forums.

BR = GAME SYSTEM

HD DVD = MOVIES

The rest of the country is buying Blu-Ray.

No, it isn't. Take the goggles off for a sec and actually look at some of the numbers.

The "rest of the country" is buying standard DVD. Both HD formats combined don't even make up 1% of the movie-buying market.

As far as choosing BD over HD DVD... that's not what the figures show so far. What they show is that Sony has sold 1.5 million PS3s. And that a few of those folks are buying movies (at an average of a little over 1 per machine).

That's it. Customers aren't running out and "buying" blu-ray. A few existing PS3 owners are picking up titles. And a lot fewer than promised/expected.


Let's not blow this format war out of proportion by implying that "customers" are doing one thing or the other. Until prices drop, no one is doing much of anything. It's just a bunch of HT enthusiasts and gamers getting together on AVS and talking to ourselves.

The rest of the country is buying a game console.

Fixed.

The momemtum definitely has picked up since the P/DW announcement. AVS has gone from very pro-BD (before launch, me and maybe 5 guys had anything good to say about HD DVD) to pretty strongly pro-HD DVD (after BD launch, up to PS3 launch); to pretty close to even (for most of this year); and now seems pretty pro-HD DVD. In the meantime (a couple of months ago) I bought a PS3, and have since aquired 40 or so BD's. Never bought into HD DVD, but may still. Been intested in the Sammy Dou player since first hearing of it.

I do think the traffic may be related to lot's of the pro-BD crowd staying on Blu-ray.com. I spend some time there (haven't posted much), but like to keep some balance. AVS is starting to become as radical on the HD DVD side as the BD side ever was. There's logical poster's in both camps, but their voices tend to get drowned out.

Hard to understand why you're not buying an HD DVD player given the sub $200 range they're now at plus the giveaways. With the addition of the Paramount and Dreamworks announcement makes the decision more enhanced.

I think Blue Ray only leads in sales because of the lackluster games on the PS3 at this moment.People have to justify their high dollar purchase in some way and right now movies are about the only way.As more games become available,people will have to decide on games or movies and since gamers are the primary owners of Blue Ray,games will win out in that battle.

Blue Ray owned by primarily gamers

HD-DVD owned by true videophiles

So it might be true that there are more Blue Ray plaers in homes,soon those drives will be occupied by games and not movies.

I think Blue Ray only leads in sales because of the lackluster games on the PS3 at this moment.People have to justify their high dollar purchase in some way and right now movies are about the only way.As more games become available,people will have to decide on games or movies and since gamers are the primary owners of Blue Ray,games will win out in that battle.

Blue Ray owned by primarily gamers

HD-DVD owned by true videophiles

So it might be true that there are more Blue Ray plaers in homes,soon those drives will be occupied by games and not movies.

it already IS occupied by games. the problem, and unforseen by sony apparently, is that people just aren't using it as a movie player. the ps3 effect was a dud. its attachment rate (as a movie player) is not very significant (less than 15%). and with little more than 1 movie per player is not a good ratio for movie sales. studios are starting to see the numbers and they're started to look at the red side of the spectrum.

For me, I found BD both expensive and not-ready-for-primetime. Java problems, profile changes - and did I mention expensive? At one point I was considering going neutral, but I simply could not find an affordable BD player that worked well. I'm happy as toast with my A20 and my SD DVDs never looked better.

As soon as the BD folks come out with a player that sells around $300, has 1080p and the nifty audio codecs, no java problems, and will play discs of the next profile (that is, all of the disc), that's when I go neutral. Maybe it will happen sooner than I think, but I don't see any new players lurking in the wings for the Holiday season.

Lack of finalized standards, not price, is what kept me from blu-ray. I don't want to drop over $500 on something that isn't even complete. I think it's a sham that Sony essentially used the enthusiast crowd as beta testers for their format. Yet with HD DVD I can rest easy knowing my HD-A1 will be able to play all future discs because the specs were set in stone from the get go. Of course I won't use my A1 as my primary player forever, but it's nice to know it'll always work as backup/secondary player as well.

And with how things are going, there is even a chance I won't need a blu-ray player down the line. But if the studio situation is still the same once I can get a finalized player for a reasonable price, I will have no choice but to get one.

the people here are very conscientious consumers. not swayed by fancy mass marketing schemes. they look at the pros and cons based on factual data. cost, capabilities, availability, etc...

it really should be an easy choice to make when you cut out all the flim-flam and get down to earth when you buy!:D

:D:D:D:D

I thought HD DVD is dead when they introduced Blu-ray... or is it when they introduced BD-50?... or is it when they introduced PS3?... or is it when Paramount went HD DVD exclusive?

:p

the people here are very conscientious consumers. not swayed by fancy mass marketing schemes. they look at the pros and cons based on factual data. cost, capabilities, availability, etc...

it really should be an easy choice to make when you cut out all the flim-flam and get down to earth when you buy!:D

Exactly, HD DVD has always been the format for the better educated and better informed people. These people make their own decision based on facts and not on marketing blurps. The AVS forum consists of better informed people and this is why you find here more people who support HD DVD than on the streets.

The media sales support this theory. Just look at the Planet Earth sales. AFAIK HD DVD sold - against the market trend - more units than bluray. Well bluray is for gamers who are very easy influenced by marketing and are not used to critical thinking (-not all gamers are like this).

Well, I think it's mostly because this is a forum that has alot of early adopters and HD-DVD was out first so they have more people.

The rest of the country is buying Blu-Ray.

& World...
lol

Beat me to it; I think it's because the early adopters all bought into HD-DVD, due to it coming out about 6 months ahead.

Where were you when these formats were lauched? Very funny post. You either know the truth or haven't got a clue. A comment like this only kills any credibility you have or may have in the future.

Cheers,

Grant

FUD FUD FUD... As long as your TV deinterlaces properly there is no difference between a 1080i and a 1080p signal from a HD DVD player.

Not to mention what's the market penetration of 1080i CRTs and 720p (and 720p-ish like 768p) plasmas and LCDs (and RPTVs)?

Not everyone with a HDTV can even use 1080p (or HDMI!).. There are tons of folks with DVI or Component and S/PDIF for audio who are better served by HDDVD players that can do realtime DD/DTS conversion.. BTW, at the very least the XBox 360 addon will do 1080i over component and DD/DTS conversion to 5.1 sound. BTW have there been any HDDVDs that have been tagged to prohibit HD playback via Component or open DVI?