Lets compare the reviews of last years Mitsubishi 5000 to the preview of the new 6000
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August 28, 2007
We set up the HC6000 side by side with the HC5000 to see just what the difference in the specs looked like on screen. I must say, I was surprised to see what amounted to an obvious improvement in contrast that not only gave the HC6000 better three dimensionality, but it made the image appear even sharper than the already razor sharp HC5000. The increased contrast also boosts color saturation, and makes the natural color on this unit all the more beautiful. This is a video projector that will have great appeal to the discriminating videophile.
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October 25, 2006
Performance - 5 Stars
Features - 5 Stars
Ease of Use - 5 Stars
Value - 5 Stars
The HC5000 is the third projector this fall to receive a solid 5-star rating, and there have only been four models so rated since we introduced the 5-star system. This is not because we have relaxed our rating standards of late. What we are seeing is significant leaps forward in picture quality for the money—true advances in the state of the art that warrant high acclaim.
With the HC5000, Mitsubishi has done a great deal more than just hit a leading edge, low price point with 1080p. The projector is remarkable for its beautifully natural picture quality, as well as a host of features that makes it about as user friendly and easy to install as any projector out there. We are very pleased to give the HC5000 our strongest possible recommendation, and we offer our warmest congratulations to the product managers and engineers at Mitsubishi for a job exceedingly well done.
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Comment: Both are a good example of cheerleading reviews. Personally I was quite disappointed each time when viewing the 5000 during the past year. It was rather flat” looking with near zero wow factor.
There is no doubt that the new 6000 projector is superior in sharpness, color and contrast as Mitsubishi had a lot of room for improvement. But you would never think that from reading the 5000's review.
The point here is that we as consumers need to be on guard against these ra-ra! cheerleaders. (This evidence is indication of stuff occurring behind the scenes). Spending $5000, then finding out only a few months later that the PQ ain’t so great, is enough to make you puke.
Buyer beware! :)

Thanks for the warning...I'll be on the lookout for cheerleaders.

Save the Cheerleader, save the world.

Both are a good example of cheerleading reviews.
Let me guess...Projector Central...the LCD cheerleaders of the world...:rolleyes:

Thanks for the warning...I'll be on the lookout for cheerleaders.

Just for you dude ....;)
http://dallascowboys.com/cheerleaders/images/pht_2007squad.jpg

Now if only they reviewed projectors, I'd believe anything they said.
Joe

Thank you







Warning: If you are inexperienced at choosing home theater equipment, any of these may steer you in the wrong direction. Listen to cheerleaders at your own risk!

Just for you dude ....;)
http://dallascowboys.com/cheerleaders/images/pht_2007squad.jpg

Now if only they reviewed projectors, I'd believe anything they said.
Joe


Arrff arrff! :p

Arrff arrff! :p

You're not trying to hump my leg are you ?:eek:

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Comment: Both are a good example of cheerleading reviews. Personally I was quite disappointed each time when viewing the 5000 during the past year. It was rather flat” looking with near zero wow factor.
Where did you see it? I saw it at CES and yes it had zero wow factor but it was out in the open where light contamination was a big problem.

There is no doubt that the new 6000 projector is superior in sharpness, color and contrast as Mitsubishi had a lot of room for improvement. But you would never think that from reading the 5000's review.
True but you should read the RBMartin modified G11 reviews from a few years ago: "At 700:1 contrast, the blacks are inky black.", "With 1366 X 1024 resolution who could ask for more detail?", "CRT-killer", etc. etc. Times change and so does the definition of state-of-the-art.

The point here is that we as consumers need to be on guard against these ra-ra! cheerleaders. (This evidence is indication of stuff occurring behind the scenes).
Not to defend Evan Powell, but your evidence (having not EVEN seen the new projector) is a lot worse than most people's speculation.

Spending $5000, then finding out only a few months later that the PQ ain’t so great, is enough to make you puke.
Buyer beware! :)
If you need a few months to determine the PQ is not so great, I think I will read reviews by other people. Guitarman, hows that new Optoma shaping up?

-Mr. Wigggles

oh my

I read Cheerlead reviews and the first thing that popped into my mind was D. Sanchez of B ang b ros fame ;)

I'm thinking... maybe it's a good idea to let that magic smoke out sometimes after all :p

You're not trying to hump my leg are you ?:eek:


No, I'm trying to hump one of their legs... :p

You're definitely aiming too low...

You know, I changed from an HC5000 that I had for 3 months to a Panasonic AE1000U... :) What a pita, I imported it sight unseen from Japan. Only lost a couple a hundred on it though and even that was more than made up for with a to good to be true deal on the furbed, used, AE1000U. The HC5000 may be a little flat on the color production side, but man was it's picture ever sharp.

I am happy now, what a ride. I ened up having four 1080 projectors in the theater at the same time for some serious comparisons. Of course people have said the same of the AE1000U, so beauty is in the eye of the beholder as always.

I don't understand why Mitsibishi and Sanyo haven't used Epson's new approach to bumping native contrast to 4500:1...

This means the only interesting LCD this year will be Epson's.

Let me guess...Projector Central...the LCD cheerleaders of the world...:rolleyes:
Actually, I think Evan Powell claimed the RS1 was the best projector in existence and it is "not to be missed".

He is also a big fan Optoma DLP projectors which I believe are not LCD either.

And not that you said it, but many claim he only touts projectors sold by advertisers on his site. That is not true either since RS1 is not sold in the US via internet neither were many of the DLP projectors he has recommended (Sharp, Marantz etc.) through the years.

His reviews are simplistic, not to level of WSR, but he covers more projectors in a faster fashion than WSR does. Perhaps he gives to many 5 star ratings out, but my EPSON (which only got 4.5) looks pretty damn good and far better than anything on the market a couple years ago.

Could you imagine if they bashed Jason Turk's reviews over in their forum like many here do of Evan? People should at least do a little research before criticizing.

-Mr. Wigggles

Well I think we all have to at least some what face the facts that all the current 1080p projectors are no slouches PQ wisel. :)

It will be mostly little things that make anybody like one over another. Even though many say side by side reveals more differences? With four in the theater at the same time, they were all much more similar PQ wise than different including the HC5000.


Even though I changed projectors, I'd agree with the 5 star rating on the HC5000 in all honesty.

I have owned about a dozen different projectors over the last 7 years, 2 to 4 from each technology, and as a group I have found the LCDs to be the weakest performers overall, though they have historically represented very good value. I also do not revere the RS-1 to anywhere near the same degree as Mr. Powell (yes, I own one), and I do not like Optoma projectors at all (I have owned one as well). The last time I read reviews (admittedly quite some time back) from Projector Central, as a group they were putting all of the LCD units on the top of their ratings. Though I respect the site for what they do, from my own personal experience we just see things very differently - VERY VERY differently.

BTW, my biggest complaint with LCDs is not with the initial picture they produce when new (they usually look pretty good to me), but rather with the way that the panels degrade as the hours pile up on them. The uniformity of 2 of 3 of my LCDs (the third one I returned) went right out the window after about 1500 to 2000 hours, and no matter what I did after replacing the lamp and recalibrating, I was never able to get the uniformity back to reasonable levels.

BTW, my biggest complaint with LCDs is not with the initial picture they produce when new (they usually look pretty good to me), but rather with the way that the panels degrade as the hours pile up on them. The uniformity of 2 of 3 of my LCDs (the third one I returned) went right out the window after about 1500 to 2000 hours, and no matter what I did after replacing the lamp and recalibrating, I was never able to get the uniformity back to reasonable levels.

This issue was solved back in 2006, with the introduction of the inorganic panels.

This issue was solved back in 2006, with the introduction of the inorganic panels.
My Sanyo Z5 was bought late in 2006 and suffered from the same problem. Does that projector have organic or inorganic panels?

No the Z5 still has the older D5 panels.

AFAIK, Epson's inorganic panels started only on the D6 which only came out in this years 1080p LCDs. Whether the new panels degrade with age like the previous D5's or not and whether it's just marketing spin, we'll only know when some of the current 1080p's reach the 2k to 3k hrs range in large numbers.

This only addresses the LCD panels. It still doesn't solve the burnt/aged polarizer issues LCD projectors all seems to suffer from at some point in their life, unless I'm mistaken.

Sony's "BrightEra" LCD panel is their new inorganic tech, previously known as Bi:Na.

BB

And not that you said it, but many claim he only touts projectors sold by advertisers on his site. That is not true either since RS1 is not sold in the US via internet .......

You forget about AVS? ;)

Ill take the top-right-most one. 8)

Ill take the top-right-most one. 8)

I'll take the rest. ;)