This is a video clip from the German release of Terminator 2 HD DVD. Check out all the cool interactive stuff showing up in this camcorder recording. Looks like my first HD double dip as I already own the French 2 disc set version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A4UKRwSZZo

Some very exciting things coming out on HD DVD this year.

This is a video clip from the German release of Terminator 2 HD DVD. Check out all the cool interactive stuff showing up in this camcorder recording. Looks like my first HD double dip as I already own the French 2 disc set version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A4UKRwSZZo

Some very exciting things coming out on HD DVD this year.

Holy CRAP! I LOVE IT...Jesus.. I need to order this AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I just got goose bumps.

That looks awesome. German release huh? Who owns the US rights to T2? Hopefully there will be an option to set the interactive features to English in case this is only available via import... I can't tell what language it's in from the video. I need more details!!:p

I've never understood the fascination with interactive features in a movie disc. A lot of the DVD's I buy have special features like making-of clips, or directors interviews, whatever....I never watch any of it, even on movies I really like. To each their own I suppose, but in general, I think most people are like me. If you think interactive features are going to sway consumers one bit on this format war you are mistaken (especially since both bd and hd-dvd will have a largely similar set of special features).

I've never understood the fascination with interactive features in a movie disc. A lot of the DVD's I buy have special features like making-of clips, or directors interviews, whatever....I never watch any of it, even on movies I really like. To each their own I suppose, but in general, I think most people are like me. If you think interactive features are going to sway consumers one bit on this format war you are mistaken.

And you have access to consumer research data which studios have used to make decisions regarding the inclusion of extras? Please share the results.


(especially since both bd and hd-dvd will have a largely similar set of special features).

Blu-ray.........just wait till we catch up!

I've never understood the fascination with interactive features in a movie disc. A lot of the DVD's I buy have special features like making-of clips, or directors interviews, whatever....I never watch any of it, even on movies I really like. To each their own I suppose, but in general, I think most people are like me. If you think interactive features are going to sway consumers one bit on this format war you are mistaken (especially since both bd and hd-dvd will have a largely similar set of special features).

Quick! Someone tell the movie studios about this revelation! Why have they and continue to waste millions of dollars on interactive features when no one cares about it! I thought they were in the business of making money ... you would think they would perform their due diligence and make an attempt at something like market research before dumping all that cash into something now proven to be unimportant to 'most' people. Next time, they should get in contact with BagMan. Their shareholders must be extremely disappointed.

I've never understood the fascination with interactive features in a movie disc. A lot of the DVD's I buy have special features like making-of clips, or directors interviews, whatever....I never watch any of it, even on movies I really like. To each their own I suppose, but in general, I think most people are like me. If you think interactive features are going to sway consumers one bit on this format war you are mistaken (especially since both bd and hd-dvd will have a largely similar set of special features).

Because for me, when I buy a title I want to have it as a library with bunch of information about the movie, access to any new information about it through online connectivity and any possible additional audio or video pieces that can be downloaded over time making my library so much more content diverse.

On the other hand, just having a movie is competely ridiculous. Why would I buy it, if I want to just watch it. I can go and rent it whenever I want to watch it and done.

This is the primary difference between people who rant against features. It's when you are competely without passion. 300 HD DVD will be a masterpiece for a long time. Having all that information about the movie that I simply LOVED and had impact on me (considering that this was somewhat a real life event - though not accurately shown in the movie) and the interactive features that guide me through the making of this spectacular movie with the crew having to go through training, with special effects and interactive quizes will make sure that my library always has MORE then just a movie, it has a piece of history.

Very cool. It's what a modern format should be.

I'll definitely pick it up when it comes out.

Because for me, when I buy a title I want to have it as a library with bunch of information about the movie, access to any new information about it through online connectivity and any possible additional audio or video pieces that can be downloaded over time making my library so much more content diverse.

On the other hand, just having a movie is competely ridiculous. Why would I buy it, if I want to just watch it. I can go and rent it whenever I want to watch it and done.

This is the primary difference between people who rant against features. It's when you are competely without passion. 300 HD DVD will be a masterpiece for a long time.

Your post actually sounded reasonable up to this point.

Who owns the US rights to T2?

That would be Lionsgate. Which has already released T2 exclusively on Blu-ray in the states. Unfortunately, the encode pales in comparison to the UK/French release HD DVD release and includes only the theatrical version. It's also quite lacking when it comes to special features especially compared to the upcoming German release.

No way! Quiz Mode and Goof Mode? Sign me up!

That looks awesome. German release huh? Who owns the US rights to T2? Hopefully there will be an option to set the interactive features to English in case this is only available via import... I can't tell what language it's in from the video. I need more details!!:p

Yep. English is a supported language. Check out these Hi-Rez Screenshots.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11491719#post11491719

Never purchased a single import in my life. That just changed!

Your post actually sounded reasonable up to this point.

Please explain instead of giving just a quote. What's not true in what I said?

Please explain instead of giving just a quote. What's not true in what I said?

"300 HD DVD will be a masterpiece for a long time"

If you mean a comedy masterpiece, then you are probably right.

"300 HD DVD will be a masterpiece for a long time"

If you mean a comedy masterpiece, then you are probably right.

I meant technologically with the HD and interactivity and online features primarily, however this could also cover incredible and very unique visual effects. This is hardly why I would name 300 better movie then Departed, Gangs of New York, Children of Men just to name a few of the top of my had.

Then again, I'm a creative person (meaning I do that for a living) so movies with special efffects and interesting visuals like 300 or What Dreams may Come always fascinate me.

Goof Mode

That's awesome. Screw the worthless online junk and PIP. Goof Mode should be on every disc, especially movies with lots of goofs. Put Goof Mode on the Twister HD-DVD! :D

As for the other interactive features. They look nice but all it amounts to is endless flashy menus.

300 HD DVD will be a masterpiece for a long time. Having all that information about the movie that I simply LOVED and had impact on me (considering that this was somewhat a real life event

Exactly how did 300 impact your life? Just curious.

Anyways I will be buying this release of T2 if it becomes available and isn't too expensive.

Another import for me

That would be Lionsgate. Which has already released T2 exclusively on Blu-ray in the states. Unfortunately, the encode pales in comparison to the UK/French release HD DVD release and includes only the theatrical version. It's also quite lacking when it comes to special features especially compared to the upcoming German release.

Right, I'm going to take a guess here. But I think it's an educated guess, and I'll offer my reasons first.

Around a month aho Tartan UK announced the forthcoming release on Blu-ray Disc of 'The Seventh Seal', 'OldBoy' and 'Black Book'.

Now Tartan are small, and these are foreign language films. My first thought was "How the hell can they afford to create high def versions of these?".

A few days later it emerged that these were being released in the US on Tartan US and Sony, and that Sony were distributing them in both the US & Europe.

So the answer was pretty easy - Tartan would not have been releasing these in Europe on BD unless they had support from Sony.

Now, the market for a German 'T2' on HD DVD must be pretty small, given it's already had 2 European HD DVD release already. So they could only really afford this sort of extravagance if it's also coming out on HD DVD in the USA.

Ah.

US release.

'T2' is Lionsgate in the USA.

Who are not HD DVD.

Currently.

Look, I'm only guessing this based on what I've stated above.

But the German HD DVD market is pretty small at the moment, and I don't see how there's a cat in hell's chance of them creating so many new features (there's a new audio commentary!) just for the German HD DVD market.

So I'm guessing Lionsgate are going either HD DVD-only or neutral.

Don't shoot me - it's just a guess. But I hope even the most rabid BD fan can see my reasons for this guess.

Steve W

Right, I'm going to take a guess here. But I think it's an educated guess, and I'll offer my reasons first.

Around a month aho Tartan UK announced the forthcoming release on Blu-ray Disc of 'The Seventh Seal', 'OldBoy' and 'Black Book'.

Now Tartan are small, and these are foreign language films. My first thought was "How the hell can they afford to create high def versions of these?".

A few days later it emerged that these were being released in the US on Tartan US and Sony, and that Sony were distributing them in both the US & Europe.

So the answer was pretty easy - Tartan would not have been releasing these in Europe on BD unless they had support from Sony.

Now, the market for a German 'T2' on HD DVD must be pretty small, given it's already had 2 European HD DVD release already. So they could only really afford this sort of extravagance if it's also coming out on HD DVD in the USA.

Ah.

US release.

'T2' is Lionsgate in the USA.

Who are not HD DVD.

Currently.

Look, I'm only guessing this based on what I've stated above.

But the German HD DVD market is pretty small at the moment, and I don't see how there's a cat in hell's chance of them creating so many new features (there's a new audio commentary!) just for the German HD DVD market.

So I'm guessing Lionsgate are going either HD DVD-only or neutral.

Don't shoot me - it's just a guess. But I hope even the most rabid BD fan can see my reasons for this guess.

Steve W

Some very good points Steve, I just hope we don't get let down @ CEDIA HD DVD suporters dersever something for all the hard work we have done supporting them.:o

New tranfer and 7.1 sound

Are these foreign versions expensive to import to the States? And are there recommended, reliable online dealers where this kind of stuff can be bought from?

I am all over this and a big HD DVD supporter but WTF is up with all the DTS-MA audio on both sides. Shouldn't SOMEBODY release a player (on either side) that will actually decode this stuff? It seems that many of the Euro releases offer DTS vs Dolby. Is there a bigger push or better love or better licensing incentives in Europe vs the US for DTS?

Are these foreign versions expensive to import to the States? And are there recommended, reliable online dealers where this kind of stuff can be bought from?

Figure on about $40 per import (slightly more for Japanese imports) and you can get many of them from www.xploitedcinema.com which has been a very reliable and easy solution for many here on AVS.

Right, I'm going to take a guess here. But I think it's an educated guess, and I'll offer my reasons first.

Around a month aho Tartan UK announced the forthcoming release on Blu-ray Disc of 'The Seventh Seal', 'OldBoy' and 'Black Book'.

Now Tartan are small, and these are foreign language films. My first thought was "How the hell can they afford to create high def versions of these?".

A few days later it emerged that these were being released in the US on Tartan US and Sony, and that Sony were distributing them in both the US & Europe.

So the answer was pretty easy - Tartan would not have been releasing these in Europe on BD unless they had support from Sony.

Now, the market for a German 'T2' on HD DVD must be pretty small, given it's already had 2 European HD DVD release already. So they could only really afford this sort of extravagance if it's also coming out on HD DVD in the USA.

Ah.

US release.

'T2' is Lionsgate in the USA.

Who are not HD DVD.

Currently.

Look, I'm only guessing this based on what I've stated above.

But the German HD DVD market is pretty small at the moment, and I don't see how there's a cat in hell's chance of them creating so many new features (there's a new audio commentary!) just for the German HD DVD market.

So I'm guessing Lionsgate are going either HD DVD-only or neutral.

Don't shoot me - it's just a guess. But I hope even the most rabid BD fan can see my reasons for this guess.

Steve W

That could be. However, if they are getting that stuff from Lionsgate it could just as easily mean that that Lionsgate created that content for a new upcoming Blu-ray rerelease. However my guess is that if any studios change sides in the near future it could be Lionsgate and Weinstein both going neutral.

This looks great, I'd pick this up for sure.

Also, you anti-special-features people are sounding like my friggin grandmother who had a CD player, but never used it because it was too new-fangled and just stuck to tapes. If clicking a few buttons is not desirable, what in god's name are you doing on the internet? I bet the internet is dumb and useless too. Computers are meant to type word documents and the calculate numbers. Everything else is a gimmick. Ok, sure.

And you have access to consumer research data which studios have used to make decisions regarding the inclusion of extras? Please share the results.I've got some: my friends and family. Whenever I've turned on director's commentary for a standard-def DVD I hear a crowd of people in the room yelling, "Turn that $#!% off, we're trying to watch the movie!"

I think these interactive features are "neat" and I'm sure that there's some segment of the population that cares about them, but I personally just want to watch the movie (and just watch it once every year or so). There's been a few times I've wanted to check out the extras, but I'm usually the only one in the house who wants to do that, and I'm not interested enough to carve out 2 hours of "alone time" to do that. I tend to think that the majority of consumers are in the same boat.

Full disclosure (in case anyone thinks I'm a sour-grapes Blu-ray fan): I own the Toshiba HD-D2 and am very happy with it.

I've got some: my friends and family. Whenever I've turned on director's commentary for a standard-def DVD I hear a crowd of people in the room yelling, "Turn that $#!% off, we're trying to watch the movie!"

I think these interactive features are "neat" and I'm sure that there's some segment of the population that cares about them, but I personally just want to watch the movie (and just watch it once every year or so). There's been a few times I've wanted to check out the extras, but I'm usually the only one in the house who wants to do that, and I'm not interested enough to carve out 2 hours of "alone time" to do that. I tend to think that the majority of consumers are in the same boat.

Full disclosure (in case anyone thinks I'm a sour-grapes Blu-ray fan): I own the Toshiba HD-D2 and am very happy with it.

Every time I hear these excuses I laugh. Nobody in there right mind changes to comentary or pip while the movie is playing for guest, unless you are showing the new features of HD DVD. After the movie is over ppl wannna see the extras once the lights come on and the credits are rolling. Comon ppl KEEP IT REAL.

When the movie is over, you go back and watch the entire movie with commentary #1 turned on? Then go back and watch the entire movie with commentary #2 turned on?

That could be. However, if they are getting that stuff from Lionsgate it could just as easily mean that that Lionsgate created that content for a new upcoming Blu-ray rerelease. However my guess is that if any studios change sides in the near future it could be Lionsgate and Weinstein both going neutral.

Yes, I thought of that.

What better way to introduce a 1.1 upgrade to the PS3 than release this version on BD.

Possibly even launch the PS3 with the 1.1 upgrade and bundle this with it - that's a real possibility.

But as time goes on, a PS3 1.1 formware upgrade becomes more and more questionable. I believe there are 2 deadlines:

1 - 31st of October (or the 1st of November).
2 - When the first 1.1 BD arrives.

The developers must have been working on a 1.1 firmware upgrade for the PS3 since last year. If a 1.1 disc arrives and there's no upgrade (and a number of PS3 owners are stood holding a disc that they can't fully play), then it ain't possible and it ain't coming.

If Sony release a PS3.1 with 1.1 capabilities, and old PS3s can't be upgraded, there'll be hell to pay.

Steve W

When the movie is over, you go back and watch the entire movie with commentary #1 turned on? Then go back and watch the entire movie with commentary #2 turned on?

Generally, when you purchase a disc, you are able to view it at your leisure, taking days, weeks, or months to finish exploring it if you choose to do so. But I'm weird that way.

Indeed. If I have paperwork to do at home for instance, if I've already seen the movie I'll put the movie on with the commentary. If there are multiple commentaries, I'll probably listen to one of two of them, but not all of them. Certain commentaries are better than others. Some I'll stop listening to after about 10 minutes cuz it's clear it's crap.

OTOH, if a title has no extras at all... often I'll just rent the movie, unless it's a must have.

I totally was NOT going to get T2 again... but this T2 release might just induce me to buy this movie yet again, and T2 isn't even a top ten favourite movie of mine or anything.

Yes, I thought of that.

What better way to introduce a 1.1 upgrade to the PS3 than release this version on BD.

Possibly even launch the PS3 with the 1.1 upgrade and bundle this with it - that's a real possibility.

But as time goes on, a PS3 1.1 formware upgrade becomes more and more questionable. I believe there are 2 deadlines:

1 - 31st of October (or the 1st of November).
2 - When the first 1.1 BD arrives.

The developers must have been working on a 1.1 firmware upgrade for the PS3 since last year. If a 1.1 disc arrives and there's no upgrade (and a number of PS3 owners are stood holding a disc that they can't fully play), then it ain't possible and it ain't coming.

If Sony release a PS3.1 with 1.1 capabilities, and old PS3s can't be upgraded, there'll be hell to pay.

Steve W

Doubtful.

All of that would have been done in iHD not in java thus would not be too useful a BD release.

The U.S. is terrible. :(

I've never understood the fascination with interactive features in a movie disc. A lot of the DVD's I buy have special features like making-of clips, or directors interviews, whatever....I never watch any of it, even on movies I really like. To each their own I suppose, but in general, I think most people are like me. If you think interactive features are going to sway consumers one bit on this format war you are mistaken (especially since both bd and hd-dvd will have a largely similar set of special features).

I'm sorry your advanced PS3 BD machine can't do it.

When is this German HD DVD version supposed to be released?

I've got some: my friends and family. Whenever I've turned on director's commentary for a standard-def DVD I hear a crowd of people in the room yelling, "Turn that $#!% off, we're trying to watch the movie!"

I think these interactive features are "neat" and I'm sure that there's some segment of the population that cares about them, but I personally just want to watch the movie (and just watch it once every year or so). There's been a few times I've wanted to check out the extras, but I'm usually the only one in the house who wants to do that, and I'm not interested enough to carve out 2 hours of "alone time" to do that. I tend to think that the majority of consumers are in the same boat.

Full disclosure (in case anyone thinks I'm a sour-grapes Blu-ray fan): I own the Toshiba HD-D2 and am very happy with it.

I'm sorry but this is the lamest excuse I've ever read. And what puzzles me is that it's not the first time. You do understand that commentaries are made for people who actually like the movie so much that they wanna know more about it right? Your friends and family reacted the way I would if I was watching a movie for the first time. Commentaries are not for a first viewing, I thought that was common knowledge. Amazing.

This is a video clip from the German release of Terminator 2 HD DVD. Check out all the cool interactive stuff showing up in this camcorder recording. Looks like my first HD double dip as I already own the French 2 disc set version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A4UKRwSZZo

Some very exciting things coming out on HD DVD this year.

COOL. :cool:

Wow.

That is, without a doubt, going to be THE definitive T2 release. The extras look absolutely amazing. Is this the first HD DVD release with 7.1 DTS soundtrack?

Love the goof mode. I always read about stuff on IMDB and then can never figure out where they are talking about in the movie.

This is what next-gen is all about. With DVD you can watch the movie, but this gives us a reason to buy a movie again.

My bet is this will be common on most HD DVDs before BR can even offer it.

Yes virginia there is more to movies than the movies themselves.

When the movie is over, you go back and watch the entire movie with commentary #1 turned on? Then go back and watch the entire movie with commentary #2 turned on?

If the movie is really good/interesting and you're in the mood, why not? Most times I let a few days/weeks pass for me to be in a mood to hear a commentary along with a movie I'm not really watching because I'm distracted doing paperwork, surfing the net or cleaning the apartment. The last time a movie was so much fun/interesting that I heard two commentaries immediately after seeing it play was the Fox SD re-release of The Poseidon Adventure. One had the living actresses from the movie and the other had director Ronald Neame (who was pushing 95 when the commentary was recorded); both were a gas precisely because I was in a "Poseidon" state of mind. I bought Fox's re-release of The Towering Inferno alongside "Poseidon Adventure," but I have yet to hear the commentary even though I watched it the day after I saw "Poseidon Adventure" by itself and twice afterwards with commentary tracks. Maybe tonight! :)

What can I say, different strokes for different folks! :D

http://home-1.worldonline.nl/~hcdeboer/images/danagary.jpg

I've got some: my friends and family. Whenever I've turned on director's commentary for a standard-def DVD I hear a crowd of people in the room yelling, "Turn that $#!% off, we're trying to watch the movie!

You are kidding, right? No one invites friends and family over to watch a movie and turns on the commentary.

You know, the features in the video look very cool. They will be available in Germany on HD DVD. Why did Blu-ray fans show up here anyway?

Wow...that was great!

I find it funny that the promo for a GERMAN release is completely in ENGLISh! Like they know the importing crowd will be drooling over it! :)

Sweet, the ability to cover over 90% of the movie selecting features that so not do anything to better the movie!!!!

I can see it now, you sit down to watch T2 with your kid. How long before you flip out during the movie when they are fiddling with the features and you can not just sit and watch the movie.

Sweet, the ability to cover over 90% of the movie selecting features that so not do anything to better the movie!!!!

I can see it now, you sit down to watch T2 with your kid. How long before you flip out during the movie when they are fiddling with the features and you can not just sit and watch the movie.

OK, we get it. Your BR player can't do this and never will, so you are bitter. Fine.

I can't wait to have friends over and watch this in "goof mode", and watch people say, "wow, I have seen this 100 times and never noticed that! Cool!".

I hope this movie gets released soon. It's a must buy for me.

Sweet, the ability to cover over 90% of the movie selecting features that so not do anything to better the movie!!!!

I can see it now, you sit down to watch T2 with your kid. How long before you flip out during the movie when they are fiddling with the features and you can not just sit and watch the movie.

Any reason why you would be watching a rated R movie with your kid? I guess you would say the kid would scarred by all the blood and violance in the movie with male buttcheeks and would start trying to flip the channel or stop the movie, right?

Any reason why you would be watching a rated R movie with your kid? I guess you would say the kid would scarred by all the blood and violance in the movie with male buttcheeks and would start trying to flip the channel or stop the movie, right?


R- Restricted
Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.
The parent was there supervising the child. It wasn't NC-17(no children under 17)

80% of the people who watched Superbad when I went looked like they were 14-17 y.o. high school kids. An no, their mommies and daddies were not there :D

R- Restricted
Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.
The parent was there supervising the child. It wasn't NC-17(no children under 17)

Part of what is wrong with America. Just because you legally can doesn't mean you should.

What the MPAA says about Rated R
An R-rated motion picture, in the view of the Rating Board, contains some adult material. An R-rated motion picture may include adult themes, adult activity, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse or other elements, so that parents are counseled to take this rating very seriously. Children under 17 are not allowed to attend R-rated motion pictures unaccompanied by a parent or adult guardian. Parents are strongly urged to find out more about R-rated motion pictures in determining their suitability for their children. Generally, it is not appropriate for parents to bring their young children with them to R-rated motion pictures.

Anyways the post was about interactive content of the German release of T2 on HD DVD. J6P loves extras the sales of special editions, utlimate editions, collector editions, directors cut, unrated cut and more just prove that. For HD media to hit mainstream (and not be replaced by VOD and downloadable content) J6P must get involved. "cool features" are one way. Improved PQ & AQ is simply not enought.

I am not sure why this is so hard to understand. Me personally I say movie with no menus (I can use remote to set tracks), extra, or anything but the movie. I would love it if you put the disc in and the movie played. Devote all 30GB or 50GB to just the movie. I am realist however and I know how quickly a format that has "less extras" even for better PQ/AQ over DVD will bomb.

R- Restricted
Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.
The parent was there supervising the child. It wasn't NC-17(no children under 17)


Regardless..if his kid is so young that they are flipping the remote around without knowing what they are doing, I find it inappropriate where the bad guy sticks sword-hand into the mother's head and similar scenes. Don't you think so? For that age, cartoons and Ice Age should be the only movies he/she watches.

Big question on this interactivity, who watches a movie and not pay attention to it instead just plays with the features on it? Might as play some video games.

I had dvd with extra features on the 2nd disc and I didn't even get to explore all of them as they get boring. I don't even listen to commentaries. Watching the movie itself is time consuming let alone play with all those extra features. A person must have hella lot of time to kill if those features are way important than the movie itself.

I don't see this interactivity as an advantage on HD DVD. Unless movies are like musics bands, where on the CD, there's a CD-ROM feature where you can access on the internet and check for future concert sched or album releases.

Big question on this interactivity, who watches a movie and not pay attention to it instead just plays with the features on it? Might as play some video games.

I had dvd with extra features on the 2nd disc and I didn't even get to explore all of them as they get boring. I don't even listen to commentaries. Watching the movie itself is time consuming let alone play with all those extra features. A person must have hella lot of time to kill if those features are way important than the movie itself.

I don't see this interactivity as an advantage on HD DVD. Unless movies are like musics bands, where on the CD, there's a CD-ROM feature where you can access on the internet and check for future concert sched or album releases.


You are going to get slaughtered for saying that you don't like extras on this forum. As evidenced by a couple posters in this thread already.

If you don't like extras on AVS you are:

1. Not smart enough to appreciate "art"
2. A BR fanboy
3. A jealous BR owner because they have PiP and you don't
4. Not a "true" movie fan

If your reason for not enjoying extras is because you "just want to watch the movie" you must be lying, because.........because...........well because they say so.

You are going to get slaughtered for saying that you don't like extras on this forum. As evidenced by a couple posters in this thread already.

If you don't like extras on AVS you are:

1. Not smart enough to appreciate "art"
2. A BR fanboy
3. A jealous BR owner because they have PiP and you don't
4. Not a "true" movie fan

If your reason for not enjoying extras is because you "just want to watch the movie" you must be lying, because.........because...........well because they say so.

Some extras suck, nay most extras suck. I'd venture and say that 90% (100% anecdotal) of extras are not worth it other than for the almighty bullet point. But when the extras are excellent, like LOTREE documentaries, 300, and what this T2 disc seems to have, then I think it is a little petty to dismiss them as worthless.

You are going to get slaughtered for saying that you don't like extras on this forum. As evidenced by a couple posters in this thread already.

If you don't like extras on AVS you are:

1. Not smart enough to appreciate "art"
2. A BR fanboy
3. A jealous BR owner because they have PiP and you don't
4. Not a "true" movie fan

If your reason for not enjoying extras is because you "just want to watch the movie" you must be lying, because.........because...........well because they say so.

No, plenty of people 'just want to watch the movie' and that's fine. Studios see it differently. Extras on DVD are big. Extras on HDM are to be bigger and help resell catalog.

Disney, arguably the 800 lb gorilla in the studio biz has gone on and on about 'interactivity and BD-Live' even though neither are working yet. HD DVD has these perfected now, as evidenced by this T2 clip.

Get it?

You are going to get slaughtered for saying that you don't like extras on this forum. As evidenced by a couple posters in this thread already.

If you don't like extras on AVS you are:

1. Not smart enough to appreciate "art"
2. A BR fanboy
3. A jealous BR owner because they have PiP and you don't
4. Not a "true" movie fan

If your reason for not enjoying extras is because you "just want to watch the movie" you must be lying, because.........because...........well because they say so.

Just because you list the facts, doesn't mean it's not true :)

This is a video clip from the German release of Terminator 2 HD DVD. Check out all the cool interactive stuff showing up in this camcorder recording. Looks like my first HD double dip as I already own the French 2 disc set version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A4UKRwSZZo

Some very exciting things coming out on HD DVD this year.

All I can say is: Wow!

I thought 300 was great, but this... wow! The HDi features keep getting better and better.

You are going to get slaughtered for saying that you don't like extras on this forum. As evidenced by a couple posters in this thread already.

If you don't like extras on AVS you are:

1. Not smart enough to appreciate "art"
2. A BR fanboy
3. A jealous BR owner because they have PiP and you don't
4. Not a "true" movie fan

If your reason for not enjoying extras is because you "just want to watch the movie" you must be lying, because.........because...........well because they say so.

I don't understand why you people are AGAINST extras. You know, some of us actually do prefer them to a barebones disc. I've gotten LOADS of extra viewing time out of my Hot Fuzz disc due to its 18 hours of extras than I would have had it only included the movie.

I don't understand why you people are AGAINST extras. You know, some of us actually do prefer them to a barebones disc. I've gotten LOADS of extra viewing time out of my Hot Fuzz disc due to its 18 hours of extras than I would have had it only included the movie.


They're against them because BD is an alpha product not ready for release, and doesn't have them. If they did have them, then they'd love them.

Blu-ray.........just wait till we catch up!

The extra features that are even remotely interesting are the ones the plain old DVD already supports (as does BD), things like scenes that were cut, director's interviews, making-of movies, whatever. I have no idea why anybody (especially an adult) would want to do stuff like play a B-grade video game with their movie disc.

I've never once looked at a movie I wanted to buy and said, "gee, if it only had some special features in addition to the movie, I would buy it, but guess I will have to pass on this movie...a shame really, cause I really liked that show".

Special features increase consumer satisfaction with their purchase perhaps (for some people, not me, I buy movies for the movies), but I doubt it plays a large role in sales. The only exception to this would be special-editions of movies. For example, if they have the standard movie for $15 and then the special-edition for $25, then the special edition better carry a bunch of extras to entice people to spend the extra money (even though I believe most people buy the hype, then never watch the crap anyways).

I don't understand why you people are AGAINST extras. You know, some of us actually do prefer them to a barebones disc. I've gotten LOADS of extra viewing time out of my Hot Fuzz disc due to its 18 hours of extras than I would have had it only included the movie.

I suspect that most of these people aren't actually against extras, they just don't care about them one way or the other and have turned defense after being flamed by those on the red side of the aisle for saying as much. You can put me in the don't care one way or another for extras camp myself. I couldn't even tell you what the extras are for any of the LotR EE I own are. I just like the extra footage.

I do have to say, though, that my 3 year old loved playing the Alien Invasion/Space Invaders game on Chicken Little with the Sixaxis. Score one point with my son for Disney. Another thing that intrigues me is how Stranglehold on the PS3 is going to come with a "high-def" version of the movie Hard Boiled.

I'm sorry your advanced PS3 BD machine can't do it.

Actually, I don't own a PS3 (at home) (or any other hi-def movie player for that matter). That said, in my job for a game developer (as a programmer) I did develop a PS3 game last year, so I am probably far more familiar with the PS3 than most.

Unless they have to change the optics for how the physical disc is actually read by the hardware (not going to happen until they go quad-layer), then the PS3 is going to be able to be programmed to do anything BD could possibly imagine without even breaking a sweat. It is a seriously powerful piece of hardware.

If you want a hi-def media player that is future proof, then the PS3 is certainly the way to go (technically speaking). I wouldn't trust any of the other players (BD or HD DVD) to be upgradeable to the latest more than a year from now.

Quite frankly, I don't know why anybody would buy any other hi-def player (BD or HD DVD), talking about getting extra's...for just a hundred bucks or so more, you get a very amazing piece of home-entertainment hardware out of the PS3. The PS3 is not just a game-machine, it will eventually do all manner of home-entertainment...everything from video-conferencing with friends, downloadable movies, web-browsing, DVR, etc.

For $500, it is actually a very good value, especially compared to any stand-alone hi-def media player.

I suspect that most of these people aren't actually against extras, they just don't care about them one way or the other and have turned defense after being flamed by those on the red side of the aisle for saying as much. You can put me in the don't care one way or another for extras camp myself. I couldn't even tell you what the extras are for any of the LotR EE I own are. I just like the extra footage.

IMO, extras take all the magic away from movies. I don't want to know how they made the model spaceships look real in Star Wars, I don't want to see people acting against green screens, I don't want goofs zoomed in and pointed out to me. I don't want to see actors fooling around behind the scenes, or how they did their makeup. I don't want to know how they made the Warner backlot look like Manhattan, crappy deleted scenes or disappointing alternate endings. I don't want to see wireframe versions of CGI effects that astounded me. I don't mind hearing an intelligent commentary but all the rest ruins it, it's lightweight filler for sad people with too much time on their hands.

IMO, extras take all the magic away from movies. I don't want to know how they made the model spaceships look real in Star Wars, I don't want to see people acting against green screens, I don't want goofs zoomed in and pointed out to me. I don't want to see actors fooling around behind the scenes, or how they did their makeup. I don't want to know how they made the Warner backlot look like Manhattan, crappy deleted scenes or disappointing alternate endings. I don't want to see wireframe versions of CGI effects that astounded me. I don't mind hearing an intelligent commentary but all the rest ruins it, it's lightweight filler for sad people with too much time on their hands.


Again, you are not the center of the universe and there's a bunch of people that actually want this, like me for example.

Please stop being so self-centered. If you don't like something or want something doesnt' mean that everyone else doesn't want it.

This is the major problem with Blu-Ray people. I've noticed that most of the Blu-Ray supporters are indeed very very self-centered and actually don't care about anything else but themselves.

Some extras suck, nay most extras suck. I'd venture and say that 90% (100% anecdotal) of extras are not worth it other than for the almighty bullet point. But when the extras are excellent, like LOTREE documentaries, 300, and what this T2 disc seems to have, then I think it is a little petty to dismiss them as worthless.

First off, I am not a bitter BD owner, as I don't even own a BD.

Second, if I did own a BD, it would be a PS3 which would blow away HD DVD now or anytime in the future when it comes to interactive ability.

Third, stand-alone BD does just fine at supporting 95% of the extra features a movie might put on the disc, even at profile 1.0.

Fourth, BD in later firmwares certainly has at least as much interactive flexibility as HD DVD if not moreso.

Bottom line is you buy a PS3 now and you are pretty much guaranteed to have a player that will do everything BD or HD DVD do, plus tons of stuff no stand-alone player does...it's really a no-lose proposition (even if blu-ray failed as a format, which it clearly won't).

First off, I am not a bitter BD owner, as I don't even own a BD.

Second, if I did own a BD, it would be a PS3 which would blow away HD DVD now or anytime in the future when it comes to interactive ability.

Third, stand-alone BD does just fine at supporting 95% of the extra features a movie might put on the disc, even at profile 1.0.

Fourth, BD in later firmwares certainly has at least as much interactive flexibility as HD DVD if not moreso.

Bottom line is you buy a PS3 now and you are pretty much guaranteed to have a player that will do everything BD or HD DVD do, plus tons of stuff no stand-alone player does...it's really a no-lose proposition (even if blu-ray failed as a format, which it clearly won't).

Wow, simply wow. A person not owning a BD and then pointing out advantages of BD to people that most likely have both.

Wow!

Again, you are not the center of the universe and there's a bunch of people that actually want this, like me for example.

Please stop being so self-centered. If you don't like something or want something doesnt' mean that everyone else doesn't want it.

Well, good for you. Read the first three letters again.*IMO*.

This is the major problem with Blu-Ray people. I've noticed that most of the Blu-Ray supporters are indeed very very self-centered and actually don't care about anything else but themselves. Is that a fact? Since you can identify a Blu-ray supporter from 100 yards, and the universe revolves around you (it must do, since you've seen most of them), they are all very very self-centred people.

The only problem is I never mentioned Blu-Ray, and I don't own Blu-Ray.

Well, good for you. Read the first three letters again.*IMO*.

Is that a fact? Since you can identify a Blu-ray supporter from 100 yards, and the universe revolves around you (it must do, since you've seen most of them), they are all very very self-centred people.

The only problem is I never mentioned Blu-Ray, and I don't own Blu-Ray.

ouch! this nfinity shill is looking more obvious by the minute!

have to wonder what directors will make of their mistakes being pointed out by a different branch of the studio in "goof mode", but that is yet to be seen. these extras don't seem to amount to alot. there's some pip stuff; the afforementioned goof mode; quiz mode; storyboard + script; audio/visual commentary? then a chance for the studio to sell u some stuff online via an internet link up. is that really worth paying extra for?! maybe to some people...

Yeah, but Issac, I think you're missing the big point here... Flashy interactive menus while the movie is playing in the background!

Regardless..if his kid is so young that they are flipping the remote around without knowing what they are doing, I find it inappropriate where the bad guy sticks sword-hand into the mother's head and similar scenes. Don't you think so? For that age, cartoons and Ice Age should be the only movies he/she watches.

I agree but it is still a decision that is left up to the parent and ultimately their child is their responsibility. They should know what their child can and cannot watch.

They're against them because BD is an alpha product not ready for release, and doesn't have them. If they did have them, then they'd love them.



LOL, I love when I am proven right, you guys make this too easy.

Again, you are not the center of the universe and there's a bunch of people that actually want this, like me for example.

Please stop being so self-centered. If you don't like something or want something doesnt' mean that everyone else doesn't want it.

This is the major problem with Blu-Ray people. I've noticed that most of the Blu-Ray supporters are indeed very very self-centered and actually don't care about anything else but themselves.



But since you like, it means everyone else does?


And now.........for the grand finale.........all BR supporters are self centered!!!


Congrats for reaching a new low.

No, plenty of people 'just want to watch the movie' and that's fine. Studios see it differently. Extras on DVD are big. Extras on HDM are to be bigger and help resell catalog.

Disney, arguably the 800 lb gorilla in the studio biz has gone on and on about 'interactivity and BD-Live' even though neither are working yet. HD DVD has these perfected now, as evidenced by this T2 clip.

Get it?


Yeah I "get it". I imagine most people that don't watch extras don't care that the studios "Care".

What is your point? Because studios care, we should? Ummm, ok?

I don't understand why you people are AGAINST extras. You know, some of us actually do prefer them to a barebones disc. I've gotten LOADS of extra viewing time out of my Hot Fuzz disc due to its 18 hours of extras than I would have had it only included the movie.



And I don't understand why you are "For" extras. Different strokes, as the above poster said.

Again, you are not the center of the universe and there's a bunch of people that actually want this, like me for example.

Please stop being so self-centered. If you don't like something or want something doesnt' mean that everyone else doesn't want it.

This is the major problem with Blu-Ray people. I've noticed that most of the Blu-Ray supporters are indeed very very self-centered and actually don't care about anything else but themselves.

A big percentage of them seem to be very young and immature. A good example of that is the Blu-ray site.

A big percentage of them seem to be very young and immature. A good example of that is the Blu-ray site.


Yeah they should have their own drinking fountains and bathrooms.

You guys are pathetic.

Sorry to interrupt :rolleyes:

Just wanted to say that i'm very much looking forward to this new edition of T2 and especially for the extras. I think the PiP on '300' is great, so goof mode etc. should be the thing for me.

Please continue with all the Itchy&Scratchy fighting now. ;)

for myself i like extras in movies that are based on reality stuff. war movies like Saving private Ryan or Schinders list etc. those kind of extras i care about.

but to see a movie made with the CGI effects. explaining how it works, takes away the magic of the movie. it is like your watching a criss angel trick and you discover how it works. would you like the trick still the same?

i didnt.

when i bought Pirates of the Caribbean 2 on dvd last year i checked the extras of it, how they created some of the CGI stuff. although interesting, when i watched it for the second time a few weeks later. i found the movie less, simply because i knew how i was faked with that CGI stuff.

now i understand very well that there are people actually who all like this stuff. but E.T. would be a great example of a movie i don't want to know how all was done. i have way to many fond memories of that movie when i was a child.

Lets be honest, who didnt watch E.T. goes to bed and dream of having an alien friend like E.T. :)

Yeah I "get it". I imagine most people that don't watch extras don't care that the studios "Care".

What is your point? Because studios care, we should? Ummm, ok?


Obviously you don't get it. One of the reasons Paramount dropped BD was because it couldn't do these extras you are bagging on.

Obviously you don't get it. One of the reasons Paramount dropped BD was because it couldn't do these extras you are bagging on.


Here we go.... Did you not read the part about people not caring if studios like them? I guess you skipped that part. So you are saying because the studios care about them, I should care. LOL

And I can think of $150 million reasons they went exclusive, but it makes no sense to argue with someone who doesnt "get it"

if there really is a better transfer than the french import - then and only then will I triple HD dip on this title.

When is the release date?

yep, we germans know :)

but E.T. would be a great example of a movie i don't want to know how all was done. i have way to many fond memories of that movie when i was a child.

Lets be honest, who didnt watch E.T. goes to bed and dream of having an alien friend like E.T. :)


UGGHHH, not me!! ET may be one of my least favorite SF movies of all time. Silly childish crap.

Besides, there are no aliens. If there were, they would have been here long ago and colonized the planet before we even evolved. We are alone.

You are going to get slaughtered for saying that you don't like extras on this forum. As evidenced by a couple posters in this thread already.

If you don't like extras on AVS you are:

1. Not smart enough to appreciate "art"
2. A BR fanboy
3. A jealous BR owner because they have PiP and you don't
4. Not a "true" movie fan

If your reason for not enjoying extras is because you "just want to watch the movie" you must be lying, because.........because...........well because they say so.


Hmmm.......I'm lying just because I don't watch movies like other members here? I don't appreciate art? BTW, are you related to me in any way? If you do, you must be better than my relatives coz they don't know squat about me.

I have a life other than watching movies, but that doesn't mean I don't watch movies. In fact, I'm a big movie fan. Check my sig to show how much I love movies. I just expressed an opinion as to why we need all those extras, and sure, I don't need them.

I'm on either format FYI, I'm just not gonna invest on buying another format player/media at this time, for very obvious reasons if you're here long enough.

I'm not a fanboy and LOL for the boy part of the fan......the way you talk, you could be a fanboy yourself.

I said that having an extra features is not the advantage on winning this war it's because the mass market price dictates the winner of this war. And down the road, we're gonna see players who'll play both formats, that's inevitable.

Personally, I don't care if I get slaughtered, LOL, this is just the internet. I'm not like you who'll take things personally.

And oh, nice to meet you.


LOL at people saying that people who don't care about extras are BR clan. http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2803/indifferentpz8.gif http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2803/indifferentpz8.gif