You decided to commit to DTS-MA for whatever reason, so now we're a year into it, with no definitive date for an upgrade (if at all) and I've decided if you're going to price your titles higher than most other companies and use a lossless format I can't decode, so why bother?

Sound is 1/2 the game here, and once I'm able to fully decode your lossless track I'll consider buying your (overpriced) titles again.

I agree to a point, but I would rather have a lossless codec I cant decode yet, as opposed to none at all.
DTS masters is here to stay... thats just how things work.

I let the PS3 or A2 pass DTS-MA as PCM to my receiver. Isn't this still better than having just regular Dolby Digital or DTS?

I let the PS3 or A2 pass DTS-MA as PCM to my receiver. Isn't this still better than having just regular Dolby Digital or DTS?No. It's not true lossless. You're passing it incorrectly. What you should be doing is setting your PS3 to "Bitstream" to pass the DTS lossy core.

I let the PS3 or A2 pass DTS-MA as PCM to my receiver. Isn't this still better than having just regular Dolby Digital or DTS?

It isn't passing it though, neither player is able to decode DTS-MA. All your passing is the DTS 1.5mbs Core (not the lossless)..

I agree with the original poster, why support a format that can't be used by any player to-date.

Umm...did you really have to announce this? What's the point of this thread? Write an e-mail to Fox customer service, your more likely to get a reasonable response than bitching on a vbulletin site

I agree with the original poster, why support a format that can't be used by any player to-date.

Umm...did you really have to announce this? What's the point of this thread? Write an e-mail to Fox customer service, your more likely to get a reasonable response than bitching on a vbulletin siteBecause this is a forum where we share views and opinions.;)

Did you really need come here just to threadcrap?:p

If there are Fox titles you want don't stop supporting them or they might stop producing blu-ray entirely (well, it will take more then just a few people). Besides, isn't it up to Sony to get the ability added to the PS3? If you can pass the PCM just do that or live with the 1.5mb core until the processing is there. Put the pressure on Sony to get it added.

Dave has been around here for awhile.

He is bringing up a good point, and hell we talk about everything A/V related here on AVS.

I'm sure Dave also lets the power's that be, know his viewpoints!;)

Umm...did you really have to announce this? What's the point of this thread? Write an e-mail to Fox customer service, your more likely to get a reasonable response than bitching on a vbulletin site

Unfortunately, it seems to be the nature of the beast.

1. People start a thread to ask a studio to release a movie. I've yet to see any evidence that a studio will read the request and do anything about it. So why do they start a thread? No one really knows.

2. People start a thread to announce they have purchased a player. Now really, does anyone care?

3. People start a thread to announce that they have ordered a movie or received a movie in the mail. Does anyone really care?

And it goes on and on and on.

I doubt if Fox really cares about anyone's opinion on this issue. But if they did, the way to let Fox know how you feel isn't to announce a decision here. It's to contact Fox directly.

BTW, why I'm not happy that I can't decode DTS MA, I'm sure I will be able to do so in the future. And the core audio that is being sent for now does sound pretty good. I certainly won't deprive myself of a Fox movie simply because I can't decode MA right now. I just don't understand that logic. It may be a way to protest, but it's also a way to shoot yourself in the foot to spite Fox.

I let the PS3 or A2 pass DTS-MA as PCM to my receiver. Isn't this still better than having just regular Dolby Digital or DTS?

Sorry, but that is not what you are doing. The PS3 can not pass or decode DTS-MA.

It will happen eventually. There are too many Fox titles I want .... I am buying 'em. Fifteen at last count.

How about ask them to put DTS-MA plus PCM track into their future movies?

Sorry, but that is not what you are doing. The PS3 can not pass or decode DTS-MA.

I can't pass DTS-MA, nor it will never be because of the HDMI 1.3 'Lite' edition it got, but like 24fps and upconvertion (both CD and DVD), witch people said that it wouldn't have, i'am pretty sure that along the line it will get HD HR and MA Decoding (to PCM) and PIP support..

I prefer DTS HD MA to Dolby TrueHD or PCM. DTS HD MA, according to paidgeek, is generally smaller than Dolby TrueHD, leaving more room for a better video encode. Since these high-def titles are all about getting the absolute best in video and audio, I applaud Fox's use of DTS HD MA in all their releases thus far, and hope they continue to use it in all future releases.

How about ask them to put DTS-MA plus PCM track into their future movies?
There's not a lot of point in including DTS MA in addition to PCM... and it defeats the purpose of SAVING SPACE for other things.

No. It's not true lossless. You're passing it incorrectly. What you should be doing is setting your PS3 to "Bitstream" to pass the DTS lossy core.

I am using a PS3 with HDMI and I use PCM - isn't this the correct way to get the DTS lossy core?

The PS3 correctly detects the 1.5Mbps track (I can see this by hitting "Display") and then will send it PCM to the receiver

I can't pass DTS-MA, nor it will never be because of the HDMI 1.3 'Lite' edition it got, but like 24fps and upconvertion (both CD and DVD), witch people said that it wouldn't have, i'am pretty sure that along the line it will get HD HR and MA Decoding (to PCM) and PIP support..I agree; it's just a matter of time. Meantime I can still enjoy Fox movies listening to the 1.5 mbps DTS core, which sounds pretty good to me.

You decided to commit to DTS-MA for whatever reason, so now we're a year into it, with no definitive date for an upgrade (if at all) and I've decided if you're going to price your titles higher than most other companies and use a lossless format I can't decode, so why bother?

Sound is 1/2 the game here, and once I'm able to fully decode your lossless track I'll consider buying your (overpriced) titles again.Dave you bring up a very good point...but isn't the PS3 for sure getting this upgrade. Has Paid ever been asked this question. I will be pissed if this upgrade does not come.

I think you are missing the point. You should tell Sony you are not buying anything PS3 until THEY support that feature. It is not the fault of Fox that Sony does not support it.

You are also hurting the cause. More media the better for Big Blu.

You'd think after Sony bent over backwards to get Fox on board with BD+, they'd return the favor and use the audio codec the most commonly used BR player can decode.

There's not a lot of point in including DTS MA in addition to PCM... and it defeats the purpose of SAVING SPACE for other things.

Yeah, and we know how good Fox has been at putting extras to fill up the disc.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Fox should be putting PCM on these discs. $40 retail for catalog titles with hardly any extras and DTS-HD MA that NO ONE can listen to is ridiculous.

I agree with Dave....no more Fox titles for me.

Mike

Did i miss something, or DTS was actually the Holy Grail of DVD, and now they are the Devil..?

Dave you bring up a very good point...but isn't the PS3 for sure getting this upgrade. Has Paid ever been asked this question. I will be pissed if this upgrade does not come.

No, this upgrade has been talked to death here, but Sony has been mum on the subject. There is NO guarantee it will happen. :confused:

Yeah I applaud them for including it. The players will catch up in time. Hopefully the PS3 gets this update but I wouldn't get too upset if they don't. One thing we can thank Toshiba for is inexpensive players.

What I don't want is 16bit PCM in it's place. Judging by the many threads on this subject it appears 16bit PCM is actually of lesser quality than the True HD or DTS MA counterparts. Personally I'd be happy with 24bit PCM and 50GB discs.

No, this upgrade has been talked to death here, but Sony has been mum on the subject. There is NO guarantee it will happen. :confused:

Paidgeek recently said that Sony is looking into DTS-HD MA decoding for the PS3. As you said, there is no guarantee that it will happen.

If it won't, maybe I'll be able to buy an affordable standalone in 2009 that will decode it. :rolleyes:

Paidgeek recently said that Sony is looking into DTS-HD MA decoding for the PS3. As you said, there is no guarantee that it will happen.

If it won't, maybe I'll be able to buy an affordable standalone in 2009 that will decode it. :rolleyes:

The more I watch BD threads the more I'm convinced that the BD camp thinks $500+ IS an affordable player. This in spite of the pitiful sales that show this not to be so true.

I enjoy my S300 even if it doesn't do the things Sony implied it would, but it will be my last BD player until they get the price down and the features up, both by quite a bit.

J6P will wait even longer I suspect.

Did i miss something, or DTS was actually the Holy Grail of DVD, and now they are the Devil..?

In these forums, there are an infinite number of spins that can be put on anything. Budding spin doctors learn their craft here.

Seriously, anyone who complains about the DTS MA tracks are nuts! The discs are all lossless 24 bit. You get to enjoy what is still an insane 1.5mbps track and down the road you'll be able to listen to them fully losslessly.

I was watching Kingdom of Heaven last night and not once did I say: "Man this sounds like crap! If it was lossless it would be great." :rolleyes:

In these forums, there are an infinite number of spins that can be put on anything. Budding spin doctors learn their craft here.

:):) , you made me laught sir! :) Thanks

Seriously, anyone who complains about the DTS MA tracks are nuts! The discs are all lossless 24 bit. You get to enjoy what is still an insane 1.5mbps track and down the road you'll be able to listen to them fully losslessly.

I was watching Kingdom of Heaven last night and not once did I say: "Man this sounds like crap! If it was lossless it would be great." :rolleyes:

You're right, but the obvious contention is that there are two other perfectly good codecs that can be used to store master quality audio tracks on disc. Both of these codecs can be handled fully by almost every Blu-Ray player currently available.

Disney has proven that 24-bit PCM tracks can be used with plenty of space left over for immaculate video and even a good amount of extras. If space does become an issue, TrueHD will suit the application just fine.

You'll also find me complaining about overseas HD DVD distributors who encode in DTS-HD MA. This is even worse because all HD DVD players are required to decode TrueHD.

This isn't like the situation with SD DVD, because DTS' codec is no longer something down the horizon that provides better quality than its competition.

Of course I am happy that we are getting lossless on all of Fox's titles, but it doesn't make sense for them not to use TrueHD or PCM on a BD-50.

Because this is a forum where we share views and opinions.;)


Yea, but views and opinions are not all created equally. Sorry, but this was an announcement on a subject that has been discussed to death. A really new intelligent slant on this issue would be welcome as "views and opinion." But that's not what this was.



Did you really need come here just to threadcrap?:p

It wasn't threadcrapping. It was expressing a view and opinion about the operations of this section. A forum has to have a way of controlling content, or the quality of the content will deteriorate. And this is already obviously happening given the number, but not enough, threads that have been closed.

Seriously, anyone who complains about the DTS MA tracks are nuts! The discs are all lossless 24 bit. You get to enjoy what is still an insane 1.5mbps track and down the road you'll be able to listen to them fully losslessly.

I was watching Kingdom of Heaven last night and not once did I say: "Man this sounds like crap! If it was lossless it would be great." :rolleyes:

If they are lossless, they should sound the same! thus Fox has no reason to be using DTS HD MA over TruHD.

If they want to do it when the PS3 can decode it along with a good portion of stand alone, that's great. Go for it!

Until then the need to apply some common sense. BTW, same goes for Studio Canal or anyone who uses DTS HD MA on HD DVD side.

Seriously, anyone who complains about the DTS MA tracks are nuts! The discs are all lossless 24 bit. You get to enjoy what is still an insane 1.5mbps track and down the road you'll be able to listen to them fully losslessly.

I was watching Kingdom of Heaven last night and not once did I say: "Man this sounds like crap! If it was lossless it would be great." :rolleyes:

I fully agree. I also think that Universal does a wonderful job on the 1.5mbps 24 bit DD+ tracks, though I am glad to see that they are now switching to True HD.

I'm not saying the DTS-MA lossy track sounds bad, what I'm saying is that since there is no guarantee that my player will ever pass the lossless track I am going to wait for the upgrade (if it ever comes) just to be certain. FOX isn't going anywhere, so I'm not missing anything.

Since I'm never going to upgrade my PS3 to a different Blu-Ray player, there's no point in me investing in discs [anymore] that can't take advantage of the "whole package" when there's plenty of other software with full lossless tracks for me to purchase. Even Warner is using TrueHD and PCM now.

Since I'm never going to upgrade my PS3 to a different Blu-Ray player, there's no point in me investing in discs [anymore] that can't take advantage of the "whole package" when there's plenty of other software with full lossless tracks for me to purchase. Even Warner is using TrueHD and PCM now.

Never going to upgrade? Well, OK, I guess.

So if Fox puts out a movie you would really like to own, you won't buy it because it can't decode MA, even though the DTS core will sound very good? As a movie lover, I would never deprive myself of a good movie because of the MA situation. And I will upgrade my Panasonic to a new machine with MA ASAP.

You decided to commit to DTS-MA for whatever reason, so now we're a year into it, with no definitive date for an upgrade (if at all) and I've decided if you're going to price your titles higher than most other companies and use a lossless format I can't decode, so why bother?

Sound is 1/2 the game here, and once I'm able to fully decode your lossless track I'll consider buying your (overpriced) titles again.

Your working up a nice Back Catalog there mate :-)

So here's a question: why can't the PS3 pass the DTS-MA stream to one of the newer processors to decode? Isn't HDMI 1.3 capable of this? I'd imagine it just needs to be turned on with a firmware upgrade.

To echo a post I had in another thread, DTS-MA is a great choice, both now and for tomorrow. Would you have bought more DVDs back in the day had you known they had DTS 1.5 but the early units couldn't process them? I sure as hell would have! We know DTS delivers, and now we just need the hardware to catch up. Heck, what I'd actually want more is a way to get 6 channel analog out of my PS3 so I don't have to upgrade to an HDMI processor. I'd hate to have to buy a new processor just for that when my Yamaha has a lot of life left in it.

AJG

DTS HD Master Audio is going to be an option included on a regular basis on Blu-ray, just as DTS is used on DVD. I'm glad that FOX is using lossless audio of some sort and we'll be able to receive it within the year so I'm not sweatin' it.

As long as fox includes a lossless codec on every disc, I don't care if it is DTS-MA or PCM. I do know i will need a new receiver, eventually, and that it will decode those formats. I also know that bitstream transmission or player support for them is the next thing in line, and I would rather have it than not. I do not know why FOX prefers DTS-MA instead of PCM, but I certainly have never been let down by DTS sound tracks, and I can use the DTS core better than PCM with my non-HDMI receiver, knowing the real good is just waiting in the disc, until i get the proper equipment to extract it.

You decided to commit to DTS-MA for whatever reason...

Because it's the future and best option right now.

[/quote]...so now we're a year into it, with no definitive date for an upgrade (if at all) and I've decided if you're going to price your titles higher than most other companies and use a lossless format I can't decode, so why bother?[/quote]

Sounds like suspending an employee because the rest of the office isn't keeping up with her performance.

Sound is 1/2 the game here, and once I'm able to fully decode your lossless track I'll consider buying your (overpriced) titles again.

Is is overpriced since it sounds better and is more future-ready that anyone else.