I'm curious as to if any of the new Fox titles supposedly coming in the next few months will have the BD+ encryption. Anyone know?

if they dont then I would curios to know the REAL reason they stopped releasing tittles this year.

i think that is the real reason, but paramounts decision forced them to get going BD+ or not.

i think that is the real reason, but paramounts decision forced them to get going BD+ or not.

Remember. Fox has threatened to release movies before.

Isn't there a BD software section for this question?

It won't matter if Blu-ray has BD+ or not. Pirates will always be able to rip from HD-DVD without any problems.

Sooner or later, the movie studios will take note of this, and drop HD-DVD. Either that, or HD-DVD will add more protection in some way/some how.

Take a guess as to which route HD-DVD would rather go? Do you expect that HD-DVD will just let their lack of DRM kill them, when they have other options available down the road?

Remember. Fox has threatened to release movies before.

LMAO that made me laugh!

"We will release our movies whether you like it or not!!! :mad::mad:"

LMAO!

Fox also threatened to release a title which could make me format neutral. However they have clearly rescinded that threat

if they dont then I would curios to know the REAL reason they stopped releasing tittles this year.

Same pretty much, if they don't have BD+ then wtf, well wtf either way tbh.

It won't matter if Blu-ray has BD+ or not. Pirates will always be able to rip from HD-DVD without any problems.

Sooner or later, the movie studios will take note of this, and drop HD-DVD. Either that, or HD-DVD will add more protection in some way/some how.

Take a guess as to which route HD-DVD would rather go? Do you expect that HD-DVD will just let their lack of DRM kill them, when they have other options available down the road?

Yeah, like they dropped DVD, right?

C'mon, we all know BD+ will be cracked with-in weeks of its release. Hackers are just WAITING for Fox to release their first title with BD+ so they can get to work. When its cracked...what then? Will Fox finally see that any protection is worthless and THEN release on HD DVD?

According to Fox's most recent comments (days ago), the reason why they chose Blu-ray was not a pay-out, but because of the "content protection" (or so they say).

Do you expect that HD-DVD will just let their lack of DRM kill them...No.
I expect HD DVD to have a good shot at winning by not employing some sh!t like BD+.
But don't worry, BD+ will be hacked and BD will have another shot at getting even...

FOX will look like a$$, but well... they knew it will happen.
I believe in a year BD+ will be forgotten like a scary dream...

Diogen.

Isn't there a BD software section for this question?

I suppose so, but I was actually curious from the HD media perspective, I mean if BD+ comes to life and is cracked quickly, then there goes Fox's whole basis for turning Blu. Could be a relatively major crack in the united front, I suppose.

Conversely, if BD+ works and protects the content, it could influence studios to move Blu. In the end, I would think the consumers would lose, but that's just my perspective. Some here clearly are all for more DRM and managed rights than others.

I suppose so, but I was actually curious from the HD media perspective, I mean if BD+ comes to life and is cracked quickly, then there goes Fox's whole basis for turning Blu. Could be a relatively major crack in the united front, I suppose.

Conversely, if BD+ works and protects the content, it could influence studios to move Blu. In the end, I would think the consumers would lose, but that's just my perspective. Some here clearly are all for more DRM and managed rights than others.

Even if BD+ is cracked, not too many people will go out and download a 25GB+ file off torrents to watch ONE movie. Is it really worth it to save $20 purchase or a $5 rental?

Even if BD+ is cracked, not too many people will go out and download a 25GB+ file off torrents to watch ONE movie. Is it really worth it to save $20 purchase or a $5 rental?

Yet this is seemingly the decision that made Fox choose BD over HD-DVD. I don't think it's the end user they are worried about, but perhaps those that can replicate and sell physical duplicates? I dunno. To me, the idea of downloading even a DVD is dumb, much less an HD version. I'm just wondering if Fox would reconsider their stance on the formats if they knew both were equally vulnerable.

Even if BD+ is cracked, not too many people will go out and download a 25GB+ file off torrents to watch ONE movie. Is it really worth it to save $20 purchase or a $5 rental?

This is my reasoning as well....at this time thier are no HD DVD burners. If Movie software is 14.99 to 19.99 and burners are 200.00 and up with blank media 10-20 a disc and slow burning speeds I think the studios will release all titles realizing that it is too costly/hard to copy and burn HD media.By the time casual copiers are able to burn HD media easily prices will be so low that it wont be worth it unless you are a pirate. A easy solution would to be to not have or sell any burners or blank media...I wonder why CE's dont do this??:rolleyes:

It won't matter if Blu-ray has BD+ or not. Pirates will always be able to rip from HD-DVD without any problems.

Sooner or later, the movie studios will take note of this, and drop HD-DVD. Either that, or HD-DVD will add more protection in some way/some how.

Take a guess as to which route HD-DVD would rather go? Do you expect that HD-DVD will just let their lack of DRM kill them, when they have other options available down the road?

It may not stop the hardcore pirates. But perhaps of BD+ makes things difficult they can drastically slow the casual rent-and-rip piracy. Ir all remains to be seen.

Things don't stand still. we'll have $100 burners and blanks under $5 before you know it.

You can also store movies on HDD ;)

Take a guess as to which route HD-DVD would rather go? Do you expect that HD-DVD will just let their lack of DRM kill them, when they have other options available down the road?

I guess this is why MP3s are doing so poorly in audio downloads and everyone clamors for strong DRM.

Earth to Baccusboy: Consumers drive the choices, not the studios, in a free economy. What do you suppose would happen to BD+ (and BD) if every studio was neutral?

Remember: Sony bought Columbia/TriStar/etc back in the 80's in order to win the next BetaMax war. They intended to use exclusive content to fight a format war. At the time everyone said that would cause antitrust problems. Guess things have changed.

It won't matter if Blu-ray has BD+ or not. Pirates will always be able to rip from HD-DVD without any problems.

Sooner or later, the movie studios will take note of this, and drop HD-DVD. Either that, or HD-DVD will add more protection in some way/some how.

Take a guess as to which route HD-DVD would rather go? Do you expect that HD-DVD will just let their lack of DRM kill them, when they have other options available down the road?


It is all a matter of time... Everything that is 'unhackable' will be hacked, ripped and easily distributed to the masses so long as there is a challenge for these pirates to undertake. Look at the history of everything digital, computers and electronically oriented. No matter what hardware or software protection is available or being released, there is always a way to go around it. It's simple really, if it can be made, it can be broken.

This is why I never understood how the studios think they can stop the pirates and why I don't believe studios went in favor of BD just because of BD encryption. All they are doing is preventing the inevitable from happening faster. I don't condone piracy but do respect it (I agree on the debate of if you own the disk you have every right to make a legitimate copy of it in case something were to happen to the original). People who look for illegal copies of movies are more likely to get a smaller file in DVD format as the space for HDM takes up room on their hard drives. HD media burners, when they become a 'norm', will only pave the way for pirates to get HDM media onto recordable disks. If HD DVD-R or BD-R disks cost money, pirates will continue sticking to the DVD ripped copies.

I think the time, money and effort put into anti piracy tools cost more than software sales in general. Sure the studios 'lose' on those who pirate films but would they really get these pirates to pay for the film in the first place? I think not and is why I believe it's a lose-lose situation (lose on cost to make the anti-piracy and lose on delaying HDM releases)

If studios spent as much time and money into reducing costs of the media and movies as they put into DRM, there likely wouldn't be a need for it. Just seems goofy to me. Give everyone cheap movies, and nearly EVERYONE would buy movies over stealing them. Imagine HD media (either side) selling for 1/3 to 1/2 less than it is now. No-brainer, everyone buys it. Sure, it'd cut into the rental market, but let's look at the bigger picture. I owned probably 12 movies on VHS. When DVD hit, and I could buy movies at $5-10 (early internet days), I bought 100's within the first few years. Simple as that. Only when the double-dipping and price increases came did I slow my buying habits. It seems so simple. Keep prices low, and the consumer will come....

(Yes, I know, I'm no economics major, but it really seems like it should be easier than it is).

Even if BD+ is cracked, not too many people will go out and download a 25GB+ file off torrents to watch ONE movie. Is it really worth it to save $20 purchase or a $5 rental?

True, the HD and BDs that are cracked do end up being up for download fully in tact, but he majority of HDM rips are reencoded into high def files like .mkv or .wmv at either 720p or 1080p. All with 5.1 AC-3 and some even DTS.

These are usually no more than 8gigs... easily downloaded and burned to a DL DVD or stored on an HDD.