Does anyone else think there will be a letdown with information that will be announced at CEDIA?

Since Para's decision was made, and the various announcements at IFA, is there much left?

Would another Chinese HD DVD player be that big?
Would a Chinese BR player be that big?
Would a 1.1 player for BR be that big?

I just don't see any studio/retailer exclusivity announcements coming.

Does anyone else think there will be a letdown with information that will be announced at CEDIA?

Since Para's decision was made, and the various announcements at IFA, is there much left?

Would another Chinese HD DVD player be that big?
Would a Chinese BR player be that big?
Would a 1.1 player for BR be that big?

I just don't see any studio/retailer exclusivity announcements coming.

So this is all that counts? Boy the loss of Paramount REALLY did injure BD.

No announcement can compare to Paramount and DreamWorks. This is the new benchmark to compare all other announcements. :)

There will be some good announcements for HD DVD, and good announcements for Blu-ray I'm sure, but overall since 8/20 Blu-ray has lost a LOT of steam.

Known announcements:

HD DVD:

1. Gen3 HD DVD player rollout
2. Onkyo HD805 player rollout

BD:

1. Phillips 7100 BD player
2. Sony S500 BD player
3. Loewe BD player
4. Daewoo BD player

Possible Announcements:

1. A Sharp BD player for NA

2. An Integra HD DVD player

We might also get Paramount release dates.

Transformers
Shrek 3
Gladiator

Anyone?

CEDIA has been a hardware targeted at HT thing. I just don't think CEDIA will have anything as big as the Paramount/Dreamworks decision.

Art

I kinda started thinking it would be a non-event, biz-as-usual thing in my head the last few days.

We know about Paramount, we know about Venture, Warner seems to be staying put. I had a long-shot hope Disney would announce something akin to future nuetrality, but on the whole I think there isn't going to be many knock-you-on-your-a*s revelations.

The whole BDR "18-months" FUD, makes me think the only thing they're truly worried about is Paramount/Dreamworks damage control, and that they probably aren't cooking anything big themselves.

This thing runs five days (?), is stuff rationed over that period?

Does anyone else think there will be a letdown with information that will be announced at CEDIA?



It seems that HD-DVD has had few announcements at these types of events. CES was a complete letdown, and almost sunk the format, in my opinion.

I think we've already had all the news we are going to get from the HD-DVD side. I'm expecting loads of Blu FUD though ;)

what a bummer i was really hoping to hear some great news for hd dvd.

...I just don't see any studio/retailer exclusivity announcements coming.

I think you are right. All the big studios are pretty much locked in and under contract, so they are not going to change. Also I think Warner is getting paid by both sides.

We already know about what the hardware can do, so the only real surprises left are who will sell it and for what price.

I think the only big surprise left would be some sort of exclusivity announcement for a retailer.

what a bummer i was really hoping to hear some great news for hd dvd.

Hi and welcome to AVS:)

I believe Robert from VE promised some good news for HD DVD from CEDIA

Actually, I forgot about the possibility of future DF player announcements, nothing there to hope for either?

I know the usual suspects have hinted of a Walmart BD deal.

Actually, I forgot about the possibility of future DF player announcements, nothing there to hope for either?

Personally, I think dual format player announcements would be great news. The more DF players the better.

If all players were DF, then hopefully people would shut the heck up and enjoy movies.

Known announcements:

HD DVD:

1. Gen3 HD DVD player rollout
2. Onkyo HD805 player rollout

BD:

1. Phillips 7100 BD player
2. Sony S500 BD player
3. Loewe BD player
4. Daewoo BD player

Possible Announcements:

1. A Sharp BD player for NA

2. An Integra HD DVD player


The Integra HD DVD player is the DHS-8.8 and it will be in the Integra booth ($899). The Onkyo player will only be in their hotel suite, as Onkyo never has a CEDIA booth.

-E

Maybe location details for chinese players and when they are going to street.

The two rumors I've seen referred to (which may be referencing the same product, not sure) were for an announcement of a player which would be at least firmware upgradeable to advanced BD profiles; and another similar rumor for a dual format player. I haven't really seen the announcements which correspond to either of these (or if I did I didn't recognize them).

The Integra HD DVD player is the DHS-8.8 and it will be in the Integra booth ($899). The Onkyo player will only be in their hotel suite, as Onkyo never has a CEDIA booth.

-EI guess lack of funds could be a problem. Perhaps Venturer and Onkyo could jointly go to Toshiba and see if they could plead for some money to rent a share of a booth at CEDIA.

So this is all that counts? Boy the loss of Paramount REALLY did injure BD.

No I don't think that is all that counts. I just think that is the only "big" thing that could compare that's all.

I didnt think about DF players, that would be cool if another one was announced.

The only big announcement I can think of is that Blu-ray won again.

I think a DF NAD or Integra may be announced.

I also think an arcam HD DVD player may be announced.

After the Paramount/Dreamworks going HD DVD exclusive what's left for Cedia.

After the Paramount/Dreamworks going HD DVD exclusive what's left for Cedia.

Well, they could annouce the hugh impact the P/D announcement had by showing/reporting the revenue gained for Blades Of Glory being an HD DVD exclusive and what an impact it had on HD DVD sales.

Well, they could annouce the hugh impact the P/D announcement had by showing/reporting the revenue gained for Blades Of Glory being an HD DVD exclusive and what an impact it had on HD DVD sales.

OK - they sold less. Now what?

Hi and welcome to AVS:)

I believe Robert from VE promised some good news for HD DVD from CEDIA

Amir laid down some very strong hints as well, I better not be disappointed!!!
And the big news better not be the Samsung dual format player!!!

When is Toshiba's press conference?

When is Toshiba's press conference?

When does the show officially start?

Here is a link for one line press releases on new products from CEDIA:

http://virtualpressoffice.com/show/index.jsp?showId=1152106482724

When does the show officially start?

Here is a link for one line press releases on new products from CEDIA:

http://virtualpressoffice.com/show/index.jsp?showId=1152106482724

Thanks Lee.
So what day the important announcements (if any) will be made?

Amir laid down some very strong hints as well, I better not be disappointed!!!
And the big news better not be the Samsung dual format player!!!
You mean the BD-UP5000 Blu-Disc player that supports both formats. :)

Amir laid down some very strong hints as well, I better not be disappointed!!!
And the big news better not be the Samsung dual format player!!!

When and what hints did Amir give?

Thanks Lee.
So what day the important announcements (if any) will be made?

You got me. I would have thought it would be Day One - today. But Denver is 2 hours behind (?) so we may hear nothing until 11 AM EST

Kicking things off late Wednesday afternoon are dueling press from key format backers Sony and Toshiba, with both expected to unveil new details about their next-gen player plans for the coming holiday season.

Other companies rumored to be unveiling details about upcoming plans for the US market include Daewoo, Phillips, Onkyo and Sharp.

Have to wait till about 5PM- 7PM EST for news it seems

So it's almost 6 PM EST and nothing from CEDIA except the LG and Sam DF players?

Integra HDDVD player as well. Its in the press paperwork.

Didn't Sir Beatalot got to attend Cedia? Maybe he is speaking on behalf of BD?

So it's almost 6 PM EST and nothing from CEDIA except the LG and Sam DF players?My understanding was Tosh was having a press conference at 6 PM EST & Sony one at 7 PM EST (if I've calculated the mountain time-easter time right:cool:).

Ha ha...isn't is customary to at least allow the companies to have their press releases before deciding it's a letdown? I think TOshiba should be giving theirs right about now.

What is the purpose of a new thread where one person simply states an opinion that something will not happen?

Is this the direction we want this forum headed? Not me.

We might also get Paramount release dates.

Transformers
Shrek 3
Gladiator

Anyone?

Transformers is Oct 16th: http://upcomingdiscs.com/2007/09/05/transformers-full-release-specs-dvd-hd-dvd-october-16/

Press Release Source: Sony Electronics, Inc.

Sony Bolsters Blu-Ray Disc Player Line With Two New Models
Wednesday September 5, 7:00 pm ET
Adding ES and Step-up Models with Advanced Audio Codec Support

DENVER, Sept. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- (Booth #600) -- Sony introduced two additional Blu-ray Disc(TM) (BD) players today offering a full range of features.
Optimized for the home theater enthusiast, the new BDP-S2000ES model is the first Blu-ray Disc player in Sony's "Elevated Standard" (ES) line. This model, as well as the new BDP-S500, which complements Sony's current BDP-S300 BD player, features full high-definition 1080/60p and 24p True Cinema output. They support 7.1 channel linear PCM and Dolby® TrueHD, Dolby® Digital Plus, as well as dts-HD(TM) High Resolution Audio bitstream output via HDMI(TM) (ver1.3).

"Consumer support of Sony's Blu-ray Disc products has been outstanding and the new models are targeted to satisfy the demand of those who crave an even greater level of entertainment and performance," said Chris Fawcett, vice president of marketing for Sony Electronics' Home Product Division. "From the enthusiast level of our ES line down to the entry-level models, our commitment to the finest quality video and sound delivered by the BD format has never been stronger."

The BDP-S2000ES model features dual shield construction, which prevents dust from collecting on the BD drive, and a rigid drive bracket to minimize vibration. The player also sports a rigid beam chassis that reduces internal vibration, improving playback.

Similar to other Sony ES products, the unit's aluminum insulator feet help isolate the player from external vibrations, while separate audio and video boards deliver better sound and picture quality. The unit also includes the IR-in feature for custom installation market.

The BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 units both offer 7.1 channel Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio bitstream output, which is optional specification of HDMI ver1.3. This makes them a perfect match for the recently announced STR-DA5300ES and STR-DA4300ES AV receivers, which also feature the ability to decode the advanced audio codecs. The new BD players also feature Dolby TrueHD, along with the Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio decoding function via HDMI, to offer a better sound experience with existing receivers.

The Blu-ray Disc players feature 1080/60p and 24p True Cinema output. They are compatible with most standard DVDs and feature 1080p upscaling through HDMI to capable HDTV sets, improving the picture performance of existing DVD libraries.

The new players support AVCHD discs encoded with x.v.Color(TM) (xvYCC) technology, an international standard for wide color space. The standard expands the current data range of video by about 1.8 times, allowing the players to output more natural and vivid colors similar to what the human eye can actually see. The players also feature compatibility with an array of video formats, including BD-R/RE (BDMV mode), DVD+R/+RW, DVD-R/-RW (Video Mode), CD, CD-R/RW (CD-DA format), MP3, and JPEG on DVD recordable media.

Both the BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players incorporate BRAVIA® Theatre Sync(TM) through HDMI. This allows for integrated operation with a compatible BRAVIA flat-panel LCD HDTV sets and audio/video receivers. With the touch of a button, you can easily power on and synch the inputs of compatible Sony AV devices connected to the players via HDMI for hassle-free enjoyment of high-definition Blu-ray Discs.

The units offer optical and coaxial digital audio outputs, along with 5.1 channel decoding capability for backward compatibility with existing A/V receivers.

The new BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players will be available this fall for about $1,300 and $700, respectively. They will be offered at Sony Style stores, online at sonystyle.com, at military base exchanges, and at authorized retailers nationwide.

I can't believe that Transformers hddvd is only DD. Just horrible!

Guess 30GB and 29Mbps is not enough for transformers. :(


If hddvd wins looks like we will have to get used to less is more philosophy.

how sad for real audiophiles and hd fans.

I can't believe that Transformers hddvd is only DD. Just horrible!

Guess 30GB and 29Mbps is not enough for transformers. :(


If hddvd wins looks like we will have to get used to less is more philosophy.

how sad for real audiophiles and hd fans.

YOU WANT SAD?

The new BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players will be available this fall for about $1,300 and $700, respectively

The price of BD players is going UP NOT DOWN!

I can't believe that Transformers hddvd is only DD. Just horrible!

Guess 30GB and 29Mbps is not enough for transformers. :(


If hddvd wins looks like we will have to get used to less is more philosophy.

how sad for real audiophiles and hd fans.


Oh shut up already. Off-topic and flame bait on top of that. :rolleyes:

YOU WANT SAD?

The new BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players will be available this fall for about $1,300 and $700, respectively

The price of BD players is going UP NOT DOWN!

to me quality > price.

transformers on blu-ray could have had PCM and TruHD all on one disc.

lets hope that it is released on BD in Japan or somewhere with PCM so we can import the real version.

to me quality > price.

transformers on blu-ray could have had PCM and TruHD all on one disc.

lets hope that it is released on BD in Japan or somewhere with PCM so we can import the real version.


You do that while I enjoy my copy in October :D

Just to reiterate Paramount's stance on this very off-topic FUD:

PCW: What if the multiple soundtracks and high-definition bonus materials won't fit on a single disc?

Bell: If there's an overflow of bonus material, we'll just go to another disc. That's not an issue for consumers. In some cases, they consider that it has more value. It's done routinely in DVD. Why put every single title on a high-capacity disc if it doesn't need it?

As you can see, the reason has nothing to do with space, as they are offering a Transformers 2 HD DVD Disc set, thus leaving plenty of room on Disc 1 for TrueHD.

A Blu-ray version wouldn't likely have had it either, as Paramount felt DD+ (not DD as the FUDster implied) was perfectly fine for a high fidelity soundtrack.

But hey, what Blu-ray version?

Now how about we get back on topic and quit letting the Phase Hydra gang come in here and continue to bring AVS down to the level of Blu-ray.com and HDD?

to me quality > price.



JUst buy the Integra HD DVD player, a $2000 AVR, $4000 7.2 speaker system, and get some quality sound proofing/conditioning for your walls, and I bet that DD+ sound track will sound 10x better that what 99% of BR owners have.

There. quality > price.

YOU WANT SAD?

The new BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players will be available this fall for about $1,300 and $700, respectively

The price of BD players is going UP NOT DOWN!

And they are STILL only profile 1.0.

Just to reiterate Paramount's stance on this very off-topic FUD:



A Blu-ray version wouldn't likely have had it either, as Paramount felt DD+ (not DD as the FUDster implied) was perfectly fine for a high fidelity soundtrack.

But hey, what Blu-ray version?

Now how about we get back on topic and quit letting the Phase Hydra gang come in here and continue to bring AVS down to the level of Blu-ray.com and HDD?

The look and sound of "trust us its good enough". ;)

YOU WANT SAD?

The new BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players will be available this fall for about $1,300 and $700, respectively

The price of BD players is going UP NOT DOWN!Why, were you planning on buying one?:D

Nice to see the addition of an ES model; I still have an ES SACD player that's built like a tank. But to your point these obviously are not intended to compete at the lower end. I am more disappointed by the lack of advanced profiles for these prices, personally. Course I don't expect the S500 to actually sell for that much; they'll probably either lower the price or discount heavily; either that or they'll keep selling the S300 for the lower tier.

The look and sound of "trust us its good enough". ;)


Blu Ray , "Beyond Expensive";)

Ha ha...isn't is customary to at least allow the companies to have their press releases before deciding it's a letdown? I think TOshiba should be giving theirs right about now.

I started this thread yesterday. But thanks for noticing.

Why, were you planning on buying one?:D

Nice to see the addition of an ES model; I still have an ES SACD player that's built like a tank. But to your point these obviously are not intended to compete at the lower end. I am more disappointed by the lack of advanced profiles for these prices, personally. Course I don't expect the S500 to actually sell for that much; they'll probably either lower the price or discount heavily; either that or they'll keep selling the S300 for the lower tier.

So is that the BD plan? To use the S300 as their "A3"? Some plan - no ethernet port - no BD Live, no DS PIP - a basic BD player.

i am assuming any hidef disc news will either be A) not very earth shattering or B) some sort of BDA counter to the Paramount news. Not really anticipating much, but if there is something big, cool.

So is that the BD plan? To use the S300 as their "A3"? Some plan - no ethernet port - no BD Live, no DS PIP - a basic BD player.



lol GreggyApple would talk about "quality". The S300 sure doesn't have much for quality/features....only price.. which Greggo doesn't care about.

I can't believe that Transformers hddvd is only DD. Just horrible!

Guess 30GB and 29Mbps is not enough for transformers. :(


If hddvd wins looks like we will have to get used to less is more philosophy.

how sad for real audiophiles and hd fans.

You already have less is more with bluray. Like the theatrical cut of Die Hard 4.0, The Patriot, Ghost Rider, Wild Things, 5th Element, Spiderman, Spiderman 2 lacking extras from the dvd on 50gb discs no less.

SO WHAT IS THIS?

The new players support AVCHD discs encoded with x.v.Color(TM) (xvYCC) technology, an international standard for wide color space. The standard expands the current data range of video by about 1.8 times, allowing the players to output more natural and vivid colors similar to what the human eye can actually see

Ahhhhhh - it is for playback of BD-R/RE's recorded on a BD Camcorder - as per Insider answer

Blu Ray , "Beyond Expensive";)

Beyond 1.0, well one day we hope!

Yummy an ES BR player :)

Now I am torn between it and the Sammy DF player :(

I don't like Sammy, but i has HD DVD.

I love ES source pieces though............

Yummy an ES BR player :)

Now I am torn between it and the Sammy DF player :(

I don't like Sammy, but i has HD DVD.

I love ES source pieces though............

ES is overrated, overpriced junk. Always has been. Go with the Denon BD player when it comes out.

ES is overrated, overpriced junk. Always has been. Go with the Denon BD player when it comes out.



I have the DVPS9000ES and I loooooove it. I need the internal decoders on my player though, so I would have to drop $2000 to get the nicer Denon.

I don't think I wanna swing that sadly. :(

YOU WANT SAD?

The new BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players will be available this fall for about $1,300 and $700, respectively

The price of BD players is going UP NOT DOWN!

The new Integra HD DVD player is $1100, I guess the price of HD DVD is on the rise as well...

The new Integra HD DVD player is $1100, I guess the price of HD DVD is on the rise as well...


Although you conveniently have forgotten that to have a BD player that has the features as the Integra will mean that it'll require profile 2.0... which not even the $2,000 BD player have. :p

The new Integra HD DVD player is $1100, I guess the price of HD DVD is on the rise as well...

Yep - but we also got a new $199 and a new $299 price slot HD DVD players.

You guys got a $700 and a $1300. And the $1999 Denon is back on the table.

And we both got (2) $999 DF players.

So who is after the EA market AND the mass market versus just the EA market?

I can't believe that Transformers hddvd is only DD. Just horrible!

Guess 30GB and 29Mbps is not enough for transformers. :(


If hddvd wins looks like we will have to get used to less is more philosophy.

how sad for real audiophiles and hd fans.

if you're a real audiophile and real movie fans, get the 35mm print.

Lack of 2.0 is a plus if you ask me... This HD PIP is simply a way for marketers to further invade your life.

Give me 1080P24 and lossless sound......what the hell else does an enthusiast need?







Nothing.

Lack of 2.0 is a plus if you ask me... This HD PIP is simply a way for marketers to further invade your life.

Give me 1080P24 and lossless sound......what the hell else does an enthusiast need?

Nothing.

Great Jeff - the S300 is right up your alley - THE basic BD player - no frills possible - ever! $449 - cheapest BD player there is.

Guess we wait for the Sharp BD player? It was rumored for CEDIA.

Yep - but we also got a new $199 and a new $299 price slot HD DVD players.

You guys got a $700 and a $1300. And the $1999 Denon is back on the table.

And we both got (2) $999 DF players.

So who is after the EA market AND the mass market versus just the EA market?

Ya, but Blu has the I'll spend 2,000 dollars because expensive must mean better market in the bag. I guess all we have to look forward to is the millions of people who cant afford to waste their money on expensive players for a dying format.

How will we ever win the "war"

ES is overrated, overpriced junk. Always has been. Go with the Denon BD player when it comes out.

Not only that, but now they're going to make ES more difficult to buy!

http://www.cepro.com/article/sony_looks_to_re_energize_es_group_with_protected_product_li nes/

ES is overrated, overpriced junk. Always has been. Go with the Denon BD player when it comes out.

To the contrary, many of Sony's ES SACD players have been built like tanks and have offered sonics that compete with products costing a multiple of their price.

To the contrary, many of Sony's ES SACD players have been built like tanks and have offered sonics that compete with products costing a multiple of their price.

Got anything using a viable technology? SACD's not exactly thriving at the moment :D

Although you conveniently have forgotten that to have a BD player that has the features as the Integra will mean that it'll require profile 2.0... which not even the $2,000 BD player have. :pOUCH!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Great, that's what bluray needs, more 1k+ players that aren't even complaint to the highest BD spec.

I think the hd-dvd group have it in the bag this Christmas.

Beyond 1.0, well one day we hope!Lack of 2.0 is a plus if you ask me... This HD PIP is simply a way for marketers to further invade your life.

Blu-ray: Beyond VHS... almost.

Got anything using a viable technology? SACD's not exactly thriving at the moment :D

People who care about good sound are still making SACDs, and many people who know about good sound are still listening to them regularly. To me, that makes it a "viable" technology. I highly value my SACD collection.

People who care about good sound are still making SACDs, and many people who know about good sound are still listening to them regularly. To me, that makes it a "viable" technology. I highly value my SACD collection.

You and the other 5 people who agree with you. Thankfully, HD DVD is more worried about things like affordability, appealing to the mass market, staying around and eventually replacing DVD.

Blu Ray is more worried about milking people for all they're worth before they walk out the door.

People who care about good sound are still making SACDs, and many people who know about good sound are still listening to them regularly. To me, that makes it a "viable" technology. I highly value my SACD collection.

Hey I have and enjoy SACDs, but that doesn't make it a relevant technology...

now if ES receivers or DVD players were highly-regarded, that'd be something...

People who care about good sound are still making SACDs, and many people who know about good sound are still listening to them regularly. To me, that makes it a "viable" technology. I highly value my SACD collection.

People who don't give a crap about sound or video can still watch movies on VHS....Is it still a "viable technology"?

You and the other 5 people who agree with you. Thankfully, HD DVD is more worried about things like affordability, appealing to the mass market, staying around and eventually replacing DVD.

Blu Ray is more worried about milking people for all they're worth before they walk out the door.

No matter if you buy an HD or BD player, you get milked when you buy the DVD's. Especially the ones you already own on SD DVD and decided to pay another $19-30 for the same movie/outcome.

How much do 5 catalog SD DVD's cost ?
Around $30-50.

How much do 5 catalog HiDef DVD's cost?
Around $100-120

Do the math. J6P isn't that dumb.

No matter if you buy an HD or BD player, you get milked when you buy the DVD's. Especially the ones you already own on SD DVD and decided to pay another $19-30 for the same movie/outcome.

How much do 5 catalog SD DVD's cost ?
Around $30-50.

How much do 5 catalog HiDef DVD's cost?
Around $100-120

Do the math. J6P isn't that dumb.

No he is not. Plus add the cost of a HD player between $200 and $450 and Joe is hauling his ass to the $30 DVD player aisle!

No he is not. Plus add the cost of a HD player between $200 and $450 and Joe is hauling his ass to the $30 DVD player aisle!:confused:

This thread went way off topic.

Regardless, the Toshiba press release is definitely not a let down. Some killer news in there.

Anyone see this from Robert At VE? He started a thread in the HD DVD players section:

Robert of VE just posted a HD DVD "wrap up" of the big Toshiba Press Release. This was one of his "bullets" from his wrap up of the Press Conference:

Quote:
5. Shinco, Ventura, Alpine, Onkyo and Integra and the 3 new Gen 3 HD DVD players will all ship by early Q4 '07.

So is HD DVD getting more Chinese HD DVD Players?

This thread went way off topic.

Regardless, the Toshiba press release is definitely not a let down. Some killer news in there.

i agree 100% The marketing on Sundays, 4/5 laptop supporters plus the number of titles and pack ins of 300 and Bourne....they sure are playing to their strengths whereas the BDA could be promoting the hell out of Disney and Fox exclusivity and the PS3....they seem to think adding nothing more than hollow 3,500 200 disc changers to circle jerk to that wont sell is the way to go....count me as a disappointed BD owner, thats for sure.

So how does this CEDIA thing work, will there be news on-going for the next 3 days? Does every CE manufacturer get to do a little dance and leave? Was Toshiba just up to bat early?

Is it like a dealers forum, with people taking orders?

Is there a published schedule?

i agree 100% The marketing on Sundays, 4/5 laptop supporters plus the number of titles and pack ins of 300 and Bourne....they sure are playing to their strengths whereas the BDA could be promoting the hell out of Disney and Fox exclusivity and the PS3....they seem to think adding nothing more than hollow 3,500 200 disc changers to circle jerk to that wont sell is the way to go....count me as a disappointed BD owner, thats for sure.

There are 4 more days to CEDIA. So where is the rumored Sharp BD player? They have like 5 of them in Japan already.

Where is the Daewoo NA announcement and the Loewe announcement.

Nothing from Samsung yet either.

IMO - More to come. And HD DVD has taken a pro-active stance for a change. BD will be in a reactive mode. They will probably "add" another Press Conference to try to counter some of the good news that HD DVD gave.

Unless they feel that IFA was Pro-BD and CEDIA will be Pro-HD DVD . . . .but I doubt it.

Press Release Source: Sony Electronics, Inc.

Sony Bolsters Blu-Ray Disc Player Line With Two New Models
Wednesday September 5, 7:00 pm ET
Adding ES and Step-up Models with Advanced Audio Codec Support

DENVER, Sept. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- (Booth #600) -- Sony introduced two additional Blu-ray Disc(TM) (BD) players today offering a full range of features.
Optimized for the home theater enthusiast, the new BDP-S2000ES model is the first Blu-ray Disc player in Sony's "Elevated Standard" (ES) line. This model, as well as the new BDP-S500, which complements Sony's current BDP-S300 BD player, features full high-definition 1080/60p and 24p True Cinema output. They support 7.1 channel linear PCM and Dolby® TrueHD, Dolby® Digital Plus, as well as dts-HD(TM) High Resolution Audio bitstream output via HDMI(TM) (ver1.3).

"Consumer support of Sony's Blu-ray Disc products has been outstanding and the new models are targeted to satisfy the demand of those who crave an even greater level of entertainment and performance," said Chris Fawcett, vice president of marketing for Sony Electronics' Home Product Division. "From the enthusiast level of our ES line down to the entry-level models, our commitment to the finest quality video and sound delivered by the BD format has never been stronger."

The BDP-S2000ES model features dual shield construction, which prevents dust from collecting on the BD drive, and a rigid drive bracket to minimize vibration. The player also sports a rigid beam chassis that reduces internal vibration, improving playback.

Similar to other Sony ES products, the unit's aluminum insulator feet help isolate the player from external vibrations, while separate audio and video boards deliver better sound and picture quality. The unit also includes the IR-in feature for custom installation market.

The BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 units both offer 7.1 channel Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio bitstream output, which is optional specification of HDMI ver1.3. This makes them a perfect match for the recently announced STR-DA5300ES and STR-DA4300ES AV receivers, which also feature the ability to decode the advanced audio codecs. The new BD players also feature Dolby TrueHD, along with the Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio decoding function via HDMI, to offer a better sound experience with existing receivers.

The Blu-ray Disc players feature 1080/60p and 24p True Cinema output. They are compatible with most standard DVDs and feature 1080p upscaling through HDMI to capable HDTV sets, improving the picture performance of existing DVD libraries.

The new players support AVCHD discs encoded with x.v.Color(TM) (xvYCC) technology, an international standard for wide color space. The standard expands the current data range of video by about 1.8 times, allowing the players to output more natural and vivid colors similar to what the human eye can actually see. The players also feature compatibility with an array of video formats, including BD-R/RE (BDMV mode), DVD+R/+RW, DVD-R/-RW (Video Mode), CD, CD-R/RW (CD-DA format), MP3, and JPEG on DVD recordable media.

Both the BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players incorporate BRAVIA® Theatre Sync(TM) through HDMI. This allows for integrated operation with a compatible BRAVIA flat-panel LCD HDTV sets and audio/video receivers. With the touch of a button, you can easily power on and synch the inputs of compatible Sony AV devices connected to the players via HDMI for hassle-free enjoyment of high-definition Blu-ray Discs.

The units offer optical and coaxial digital audio outputs, along with 5.1 channel decoding capability for backward compatibility with existing A/V receivers.

The new BDP-S2000ES and BDP-S500 players will be available this fall for about $1,300 and $700, respectively. They will be offered at Sony Style stores, online at sonystyle.com, at military base exchanges, and at authorized retailers nationwide.
I'll bet none, not one, of the magazine reports on the new BD players point out the absence of PiP or internet connectivity, and if the consumer wants that they should buy HD DVD or wait until next year for BD - maybe.

Look for a TV with a built-in HD media player.

I'll bet none, not one, of the magazine reports on the new BD players point out the absence of PiP or internet connectivity, and if the consumer wants that they should buy HD DVD or wait until next year for BD - maybe.

From Engadet:


The BDP-S2000ES. You'll be getting everything in the S500, including HDMI 1.3, 1080p/60 and 24p output , x.v.Color, 7.1-channel Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD and DTS-HD1, as well as separate audio / video boards to minimize interference, and a "rigid drive bracket" to minimize vibrations. The S2000ES should be hitting stores soon for $1300 -- that must be quite the drive bracket.

He he he.:D

Look for a TV with a built-in HD media player.

:cool:

i saw you post that thread and it was promptly deleted......if that is true it would be RIDICULOUSLY significant, however, i dont see it happening, its too good to be true.

:cool:

i saw you post that thread and it was promptly deleted......if that is true it would be RIDICULOUSLY significant, however, i dont see it happening, its too good to be true.

Agreed. We have the two main companies in this battle, Sony and Toshiba, each with lines of TV's. This could be huge.

Imagine though if LG (or Samsung) decided to begin building it's dual format players into it's line of TV products?

Agreed. We have the two main companies in this battle, Sony and Toshiba, each with lines of TV's. This could be huge.

Imagine though if LG (or Samsung) decided to begin building it's dual format players into it's line of TV products?

Well, if what baccussboy posted turns out to be true and its sold where these TV's are marketed it will absolutely be the biggest thing in this format war.....i know im sounding very BeatBoyish, lol. but thats why im 99.9999% not believing what he posted because its ridiculous at this time, imo.

But i think a built HD media player in a new TV for a reasonable price would have a much larger effect than ANY set top could, all things considered.

Well Toshiba announced they are using cell chips in their next line of tv's so the proccessing power for Hd-dvd playback is allready built in for free.

CEDIA Booth Tours:

Sharp

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/06/sharps-cedia-booth-tour/

LG

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/06/lgs-cedia-booth-tour/

Sony

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/06/sonys-cedia-booth-tour/

Fantastic Cedia for HD DVD.

So Yamaha made no HD player announcement despite many PR's on their new HDMI 1.3 receivers.

And what happened to Panasonic? The only BD CEM not to release a new player. (no spec about their format status - just wondering why no Gen2 BD player)

So far I was right, this is a stinker.

So far I was right, this is a stinker.

Maybe for BD it was.:D

Maybe for BD it was.:D

Yeah I guess. I must have missed the HD DVD big news....;)

Yeah I guess. I must have missed the HD DVD big news....;)

Guess you did.

I must admit that I am a bit disapointed by Cedia so far - maybe the current announcements pale in comparison to the previous few weeks.

Part of my issue is that any new hardware will not end up in the UK for at least a year probably longer

Guess you did.

What was the big news?

I must admit that I am a bit disapointed by Cedia so far - maybe the current announcements pale in comparison to the previous few weeks.

Part of my issue is that any new hardware will not end up in the UK for at least a year probably longer



But you missed the BIG HD DVD announcement too? But you are HD DVD user.

Weird, Lee you should get him some links to the kick-ass news.

But you missed the BIG HD DVD announcement too? But you are HD DVD user.

Weird, Lee you should get him some links to the kick-ass news.

What:-

1. New HD DVD players that I will probably not see in the UK for over a year?

2. New Bargin Blu-ray player for $700

3. That BD stand alone sale are more than HD DVD depending when you look at them?


have I missed any other news?

have I missed any other news?

Yeah - geek player remote. :rolleyes:

You already have less is more with bluray. Like the theatrical cut of Die Hard 4.0, The Patriot, Ghost Rider, Wild Things, 5th Element, Spiderman, Spiderman 2 lacking extras from the dvd on 50gb discs no less.

Interesting point of view.

What:-

1. New HD DVD players that I will probably not see in the UK for over a year?

2. New Bargin Blu-ray player for $700

3. That BD stand alone sale are more than HD DVD depending when you look at them?


have I missed any other news?


No you didnt miss anything. I was joking.

So after all the rumours and FUD sbout CEDIA, all HD-DVD has achieved is mistakenly admit Blu-ray is about to overtake HD-DVD standalone sales!

And to think HD-DVD supporters had been primed to expect ground shaking news, LOL!

Yeah - geek player remote. :rolleyes:

Ah forgot about that - wonder if thats a USA only offer as well? if not I know a few people that would pick it up (not me because I'm far too cool and stylish ;))

Look for a TV with a built-in HD media player.
Haven't we learned from dvd/tv combos :confused:

So after all the rumours and FUD sbout CEDIA, all HD-DVD has achieved is mistakenly admit Blu-ray is about to overtake HD-DVD standalone sales!

And to think HD-DVD supporters had been primed to expect ground shaking news, LOL!

In all fairness HD DVD fans brought it upon themselves by setting their own unrealistic expectations.

So after all the rumours and FUD sbout CEDIA, all HD-DVD has achieved is mistakenly admit Blu-ray is about to overtake HD-DVD standalone sales!

And to think HD-DVD supporters had been primed to expect ground shaking news, LOL!

Your use of adjectives is wrong. We were told to expect "good news" and guess what? We did!

I must admit that I am a bit disapointed by Cedia so far - maybe the current announcements pale in comparison to the previous few weeks.

Part of my issue is that any new hardware will not end up in the UK for at least a year probably longer

Did you really believe that the game of "studio shuffle" would continue at CEDIA? That is what you are alluding to - corrrect?

In all fairness HD DVD fans brought it upon themselves by setting their own unrealistic expectations.


pretty much Paramount and Dreamworks set this up to be a disapointment - There was no (realistic) news that would come from CEDIA that could really top that announcement


(By realistic I mean there was and is not going to be any announcements of studio support or of 1 side giving up)

So after all the rumours and FUD sbout CEDIA, all HD-DVD has achieved is mistakenly admit Blu-ray is about to overtake HD-DVD standalone sales!

And to think HD-DVD supporters had been primed to expect ground shaking news, LOL!

Actually HD DVD fans are pumped about Sony admitting their sales are declining. BTW, all the info presented was from before the Paramount annoucement. We do know that HD DVD players sales rocketed after that (A2 was #1 in all of electronics on Amazon, and other retails reported the same).

In all fairness HD DVD fans brought it upon themselves by setting their own unrealistic expectations.

Ahhhhh . . . more FUD?

We HD DVD fans are VERY happy with the announcements that have happened at CEDIA. Ton's of good news.

Only those who thought that the game of "studio shuffle" would continue are disappointed. Blue Sky thinkers anyways. What do you expect?

Ahhhhh . . . more FUD?

We HD DVD fans are VERY happy with the announcements that have happened at CEDIA. Ton's of good news.

Only those who thought that the game of "studio shuffle" would continue are disappointed. Blue Sky thinkers anyways.

Here you go, enjoy....



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=898672

Ahhhhh . . . more FUD?

We HD DVD fans are VERY happy with the announcements that have happened at CEDIA. Ton's of good news.

Only those who thought that the game of "studio shuffle" would continue are disappointed. Blue Sky thinkers anyways. What do you expect?

Again. What was the Big News? Straight answer please.

Again. What was the Big News? Straight answer please.

He is just going to pretend that his cohorts werent wildy expecting some ridiculous happenings at CEDIA.

Here you go, enjoy....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=898672

Look at the OP!

1. Warner will go exclusive and I base this assumption with their open support for HD DVD on their hi-def website where under Tech Specs and In-Movie experience they don't mention B out of Blu-Ray but list HD DVD hardware and capabilities. The fact that they have stopped shipping hi-def titles until Sept. 5th when CEDIA starts and will most likely announce their exclusivity, thus shipping only HD DVD movies from that point. And a few other notices from 2nd hand insiders within either studio or HD DVD promoters.

UPDATE: And interesting article came out from USA Today that lists Harry Potter titles as HD DVD Only, another +1 to the Warner going exclusive HD DVD. http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/...oad-side_N.htm

2. We will see great news about hardware, be it $149 chinese players or Walmart deal going through

3. SD DVDs being replaced with HD DVD/DVD combos or twin discs.

Every one of these speculations/expectations is of a Dranconian nature. These types of changes don't happen every day. As a matter of fact we have see two in the last 8+ months - the BBI deal and the Paramount deal. All other announcements for either side have been non-events.

Everyone thinks that because of the Paramount announcement that the war just escalated into a Nuclear War where previously it was small bombs and bullets.

Not anyones fault that these people have flawed thinking. Happens to the best of us.

I am sure someone will list all the great announcements that HD DVD has had at CEDIA.

Look at the OP!



Every one of these speculations/expectations is of a Dranconian nature. These types of changes don't happen every day. As a matter of fact we have see two in the last 8+ months - the BBI deal and the Paramount deal. All other announcements for either side have been non-events.

Everyone thinks that because of the Paramount announcement that the war just escalated into a Nuclear War where previously it was small bombs and bullets.

Not anyones fault that these people have flawed thinking. Happens to the best of us.

I am sure someone will list all the great announcements that HD DVD has had at CEDIA.



These were some of the expectations of the HD DVD camp. With threads like that, how can they not be set up for disappointment?

So to paraphrase...

Woodshed: I must have missed the HD DVD big news....
Lee Stewart: Guess you did.
Grubert: What was the big news?
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Lee Stewart: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca...

Again. What was the Big News? Straight answer please.

Perhaps it's the lack of good news/rebuttal for the BDA that is the good news for HD-DVD. :)

My thoughts are that everyone (myself included) was expecting a big announcement or 2 from either camp.

HD DVD supporters where looking for the follow up blow to the Paramount/Dreamworks announcement

Blu-Ray supporters where looking for a response as hard hitting as the announcement from Paramount/Dreamworks

Pretty much if Paramount/Dreamworks hadn't made the announcement a couple of weeks ago most people would have considered this a good CEDIA with a few good announcements

My thoughts are that everyone (myself included) was expecting a big announcement or 2 from either camp.

HD DVD supporters where looking for the follow up blow to the Paramount/Dreamworks announcement

Blu-Ray supporters where looking for a response as hard hitting as the announcement from Paramount/Dreamworks

Pretty much if Paramount/Dreamworks hadn't made the announcement a couple of weeks ago most people would have considered this a good CEDIA with a few good announcements



EXACTLY my point. However, some fanboys will attempt to spin everything.

Again. What was the Big News? Straight answer please.

Here you go:

Toshiba and CBS Announce 'Star Trek: The Original Series' HD DVD Promotion

North American HD DVD Promotional Group showcased undeniable momentum for the high def format, announcing an aggressive fourth quarter marketing campaign to support a strong slate of more than 125 high definition movies

Toshiba announced a season-long promotional campaign partnering with the NBC Television Station Group and its broadcasts of Sunday Night Football

Toshiba Delivers Its Third Generation HD DVD Players

New HD DVD Promotions - Toshiba is offering consumers free movies with the purchase of their third generation players. With Toshiba's new bundle promotion, consumers will take home the highly acclaimed HD DVDs "300" from Warner Home Video and "The Bourne Identity" from Universal Studios Home Entertainment

Toshiba continues the 5 free movie offer until 2/28/08

Something to do with Shinco and Alpine getting on board with HD DVD

Oh and to add a few others (based on the you lose, I win theory)

Sony announces (2) new BD players priced at $700 and $1300 - and they appear to be 1.0.

JVC shows a mockup of a BD player

No announcement from Panasionic on a new Gen2 BD Player.

Pioneer (like Panasonic) think a firmware upgrade means a new player and gives it a new model number (LOL)

Still no Cheap Chinese BD players announced

How's that?

The integrated tv+optical players have just smoked in the marketplace havent they?
What makes one think that they will be of any relevance for HDM, when they have been irrelevant in the past for DVD? Those who do not learn from past mistakes and prone to repeat the same blunder over and over again.

Here you go:











Oh and to add a few others (based on the you lose, I win theory)











How's that?


125 movies coming is the only thing on there that I think is impressive. (of course they arent announced, but whatever.

New players are ok for HD DVD but not for BR? LOL

And let me repeat, so far it is a stinker. Para and Venturer have made sure of that so far.

WB didn't go HD DVD exclusive?
Wal Mart didnt go HD DVD exclusive?
DVD's werent held back in order to release HD DVD/ DVD combos only?

I agree though, the remote is AWESOME!;)

125 movies coming is the only thing on there that I think is impressive. (of course they arent announced, but whatever.

If they are already counting the announed Q4 titles in the 125 - then we will see 74 new movie announcements for Q4

New players are ok for HD DVD but not for BR? LOL

Not when the old profile issue comes into play.

And let me repeat, so far it is a stinker. Para and Venturer have made sure of that so far.

WB didn't go HD DVD exclusive?
Wal Mart didnt go HD DVD exclusive?
DVD's werent held back in order to release HD DVD/ DVD combos only?

Your expectations were WAY too high. CEDIA is NOT the CES Show. It revolves around the custom installer marketplace. It is always a hardware releated show.

I agree though, the remote is AWESOME!;)

Can't argue with your assesment on that one!

Toshiba and CBS Announce 'Star Trek: The Original Series' HD DVD Promotion

ST TOG is old news July 26 (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/815). The promotion is not big news

North American HD DVD Promotional Group showcased undeniable momentum for the high def format, announcing an aggressive fourth quarter marketing campaign to support a strong slate of more than 125 high definition movies

...of which fewer than 50 have been actually announced. :rolleyes:

Toshiba announced a season-long promotional campaign partnering with the NBC Television Station Group and its broadcasts of Sunday Night Football

We are going to advertise! Woohoo

Toshiba Delivers Its Third Generation HD DVD Players

Month-old news: http://www.tacp.com/news/newsarticle.asp?newsid=173


New HD DVD Promotions - Toshiba is offering consumers free movies with the purchase of their third generation players. With Toshiba's new bundle promotion, consumers will take home the highly acclaimed HD DVDs "300" from Warner Home Video and "The Bourne Identity" from Universal Studios Home Entertainment

And before it was the 5 free movies with rebate. Yawn.

Something to do with Shinco and Alpine getting on board with HD DVD

Shinco: nothing found
Alpine: already known from 2007, Cebit: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/editorial/display/cebit2007-5_3.html

Here is the problem with ANY announcement. . . .

What is the time frame between the announcement and the actual event taking place? An announcement (in a war) gives your opponent time to react to it if they think it can hinder them.

If there is a 30 to 60+ day time frame then the announcement's actions can be countered or dealt with. Notice that so far, including IFA AND CEDIA - the ONLY announcement that was Day/Date was the Phillips 7100 BD player. It was announced as available immediately.

The more you announce - the more you give your hand/plans away. Unless of course you have a very strong hand/plans to begin with.;)

ST TOG is old news July 26 (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/815). The promotion is not big news

How about that Phaser remote - cool heh?

...of which fewer than 50 have been actually announced.

Still leaves 74 to go. Could be some VERY interesting titles/box sets in those 74 announcements.

We are going to advertise! Woohoo

Oh - so BFD on the Sony $100 million ad campaign - OK


Month-old news: http://www.tacp.com/news/newsarticle.asp?newsid=173

But this is HDM. Seeing is believing. We now have full specs and delivery dates.

And before it was the 5 free movies with rebate. Yawn.

2 movies right in the box. One a IME/IF movie, Gives those new buyers a chance to experience those special features the same day they get their player connected.


Shinco: nothing found
Alpine: already known from 2007, Cebit: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/editorial/display/cebit2007-5_3.html

We HD DVD fans like reaffirmation:D

Hey about the "Acer goes exclusive BD!" Oops:o

How about that Phaser remote - cool heh?



Still leaves 74 to go. Could be some VERY interesting titles/box sets in those 74 announcements.



Oh - so BFD on the Sony $100 million ad campaign - OK




But this is HDM. Seeing is believing. We now have full specs and delivery dates.



2 movies right in the box. One a IME/IF movie, Gives those new buyers a chance to experience those special features the same day they get their player connected.




We HD DVD fans like reaffirmation:D

Hey about the "Acer goes exclusive BD!" Oops:o

These blu folks here are pretty damn funny: You ONLY got a pony for Xmas? How disappointed you must be! Us? We got a coupon for 90% off ALL Paramount/Dreamworks BDs for the next year!:p

These blu folks here are pretty damn funny: You ONLY got a pony for Xmas? How disappointed you must be! Us? We got a coupon for 90% off ALL Paramount/Dreamworks BDs for the next year!:p



That didnt take long. I was wondering which side would have a HAHA poo on you post first.

Congrats to you Sam. :D

Here is the problem with ANY announcement. . . .

What is the time frame between the announcement and the actual event taking place? An announcement (in a war) gives your opponent time to react to it if they think it can hinder them.

If there is a 30 to 60+ day time frame then the announcement's actions can be countered or dealt with. Notice that so far, including IFA AND CEDIA - the ONLY announcement that was Day/Date was the Phillips 7100 BD player. It was announced as available immediately.

The more you announce - the more you give your hand/plans away. Unless of course you have a very strong hand/plans to begin with.;)


That is exactly the point. This has been a stinker on both sides with hardly any impactful announcements for either side because most of them were already made.

Look honey-this ES player has a Beyond Rigid chassis construction featuring unobtanium internal structural brackets for superior Beyond HD playback fidelity....

Look honey-this ES player has a Beyond Rigid chassis construction featuring unobtanium internal structural brackets for superior Beyond HD playback fidelity....

That was actually my favorite announcement. :(

I was hoping there would be a half dozen announcements of dual format players to be released in the next 6 months. ;(

That is exactly the point. This has been a stinker on both sides with hardly any impactful announcements for either side because most of them were already made.

Please - speak for the format you support which in your case is BD. If you feel that CEDIA was a stinker of a show as far as announcements then that is the way you feel. And i don't blame you for feeling this way.

Please do not try to answer for the HD DVD supporters. We will do that ourselves.

Me personally - it was as good as I expected (me being the macro thinker/realist that I am) - it was better than I expected - some very nice "sizzle" came out of the show.

The only expectation I had that went unfilled was the thought that Meridan was going to announce their HD DVD player. Guess I will have to wait for CES 2008 for the next chance.

All I know is after CEDIA I'm gonna have to jump on the Blu wagon. Those $700 and $1300 players pulled me over :p

How's that?

Honestly, as an HD DVD customer, not very exciting. It's just run-of-the-mill industry news. Nothing that will change my habits or thoughts about where all of this is going.

Honestly, as an HD DVD customer, not very exciting. It's just run-of-the-mill industry news. Nothing that will change my habits or thoughts about where all of this is going.

So please be honest and tell us what YOUR expectations were from CEDIA.

EXACTLY my point. However, some fanboys will attempt to spin everything.


Oh now come on. I do hope you are referring to people on BOTH sides of this.


Grubert, I have been wanting to know for a while now. Just what is your agenda? Seems you do a lot to poo-poo HD DVD announcements and such, but seemingly quiet to all things Blu-ray.

Oh now come on. I do hope you are referring to people on BOTH sides of this.


Grubert, I have been wanting to know for a while now. Just what is your agenda? Seems you do a lot to poo-poo HD DVD announcements and such, but seemingly quiet to all things Blu-ray.


Of course both sides have their spinning fanboys. Some are just more visible than others.

Of course both sides have their spinning fanboys. Some are just more visible than others.


Agreed. I'm sort of on the side of, this was just like IFA. IFA had some nice Blu-ray news but nothing that is Earth shattering. CEDIA had some nice HD DVD news, but nothing that is Earth shattering.

My feeling is that the war goes on. Both sides came out and re-energized their commitments, and now we head to the holiday season.

I break from the other guys in the sense that HD DVD won CEDIA the way Blu-ray won IFA. And in the end, no one but a few of us forum-goers knows or cares.

All I know is after CEDIA I'm gonna have to jump on the Blu wagon. Those $700 and $1300 players pulled me over :p


What really makes me want to buy more BD players from my house is that the fact that those $700 and $1300 players are STILL using profile 1.0 !!! I want to pay a lot more in order to get a lot less because paying more means I must be getting a better player, regardless how ancient or decrepit they are. ;)

Agreed. I'm sort of on the side of, this was just like IFA. IFA had some nice Blu-ray news but nothing that is Earth shattering. CEDIA had some nice HD DVD news, but nothing that is Earth shattering.

My feeling is that the war goes on. Both sides came out and re-energized their commitments, and now we head to the holiday season.

I break from the other guys in the sense that HD DVD won CEDIA the way Blu-ray won IFA. And in the end, no one but a few of us forum-goers knows or cares.

LOL I agree.

Grubert, I have been wanting to know for a while now. Just what is your agenda? Seems you do a lot to poo-poo HD DVD announcements and such, but seemingly quiet to all things Blu-ray.

My agenda is the best in picture, sound and interactivity. Exactly what led me a year ago to buy an HD DVD player (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=721717).

I already criticized Blu-ray during IFA. I was fully expecting more (or some) players supporting 1.1 profile in 2007. Now it is obvious that the deadline extension was intended as a way of letting CE makers off the hook during 2007/08. That was the biggest disappointment last week.

I said I wasn't buying any 1.0 players, and I stand by that pledge. I could always buy a PS3, but SCEE decided we Europeans don't like price drops (genius!) so that is out too. So I'll go without a BD player for the rest of 2007. Ask me again in January.

What really makes me want to buy more BD players from my house is that the fact that those $700 and $1300 players are STILL using profile 1.0 !!! I want to pay a lot more in order to get a lot less because paying more means I must be getting a better player, regardless how ancient or decrepit they are. ;)

I would love to get a BR player because there are a few movies that I could then get, but the profile 1.0 is a deal breaker. And what's up with the increasing prices? Even the Onkyo MSRP is only 899, but 1300 for a Sony?

I am wondering how many of the rumors did come true?

Warners going HD only (No)
Warners going Blu-Ray only (No)
Disney going neutral (No)
Paramount only releasing dual disks (No)

HDDVD player from China (Yes)

Please feel free to add others that did or did not come true.

That didnt take long. I was wondering which side would have a HAHA poo on you post first.

Congrats to you Sam. :D

Thanks!!!!

Lack of HD news. Didn't expect to hear about the 51GB disc this year but I would like to. So I can find out if these things will play in the entry level Toshiba's. If they do come out with this disc, and it will not play in all HD-DVD players than Toshiba is no better than Sony. And since I like red, I don't want to swallow that pill.

I am wondering how many of the rumors did come true?

Warners going HD only (No)
Warners going Blu-Ray only (No)
Disney going neutral (No)
Paramount only releasing dual disks (No)

HDDVD player from China (Yes)

Please feel free to add others that did or did not come true.

What about the Martha Stewart would show off a new Toshiba TOS phaser rumor?
Guess you had to see the pictures.:D

My agenda is the best in picture, sound and interactivity. Exactly what led me a year ago to buy an HD DVD player (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=721717).

I already criticized Blu-ray during IFA. I was fully expecting more (or some) players supporting 1.1 profile in 2007. Now it is obvious that the deadline extension was intended as a way of letting CE makers off the hook during 2007/08. That was the biggest disappointment last week.

I said I wasn't buying any 1.0 players, and I stand by that pledge. I could always buy a PS3, but SCEE decided we Europeans don't like price drops (genius!) so that is out too. So I'll go without a BD player for the rest of 2007. Ask me again in January.

Ok, that's all I wanted to ask. You know I rarely have a debate with you with exceptions here and there. I just wanted to know where you stood. :)

So far I am still a bit disappointed. 125 new titles in Q4. I don't see how that is possible with only 40 titles currently scheduled for release. Unless another studio jumps on board. Universal could go on another spree of releasing 20 titles per month, but I don't think we want that. I think they are slowing down for QC and that is a good thing.