.....only giving us the THEATRICAL version???!!

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/live-free-or-die-hard.html


However the cover art in pic shows 'unrated' so I'm guessing that's a typo...........

geez what a kick to the ass

thanks Fox

how does The Marine get an unrated cut but not this

The press release is saying the BRD gets the exclusive PG-13 cut of the movie

If the BR is the PG 13 cut that would be insane!!!!

Why on earth would they do that ? - that would make absolutely no sense and just piss off ALOT of their BR customers!

I for one will buy the SD DVD unrated if this is the case but I just cannot imagine why they would do that!??

they take this blu-ray and shove it up their ass. I'll be getting the DVD instead if DVD really gets the unrated treatment

If this is only PG-13 cut, I will wait for the inevitable release of unrated cut. I will not buy another DVD. There's plenty to watch in high-def without resorting to DVD.

But which version most accurately reflects the director's original artistic intent? ;)

Fox cannot seriously be this stupid. Can they?

But which version most accurately reflects the director's original artistic intent? ;)

i would say the unrated because wasn't this originally suppose to be R until fox stepped in to make more money

Why on earth would they do that ? -

Well usually companies market to whatever target age they think will buy most.
I dunno if most people 13 and under watched this movie :confused: or does it mean the majority of ps3 owners are 13 and under :confused: since the majority of blu ray owners come from the ps3.

I had no problems with the PG-13 theatrical cut, so I will still buy if it is whats on the BD.

The BD case says unrated... so I am not giving up hope yet.

I've only seen the theatrical version so this doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact, I wasn't aware an alternate version even existed.

Anyone have an email we can try ? I refuse to buy the cinema hack job

Fox cannot seriously be this stupid. Can they?

Fox is the king of double-dip. Why release an unrated version now when they can get more money out of your pockets later.

just get the trilogy and wait on the 4th then i guess.

DO fox region lock their back cat titles ? as DH3 is cut in the UK

Fox cannot seriously be this stupid. Can they?

you remember the 6 month break they took for no reason?

Even though this was one of my favourite movies of the summer, I will not buy a theatrical only blu-ray version - knowing that the unrated cut is hitting dvd but not BD... ****ing fox... I can't believe this - I hope there is an error somewhere here or it gets fixed before release.... so mad right now.

Totally stupid move by Fox. Scratch this one of my list. I will wait of the real version. What a great way to ruin what would have been one of the best releases announced by Fox.

It may be a case of consistency of the transfer. The quality of the film elements Fox has to go back to to make the unrated cut may not be in good enough shape to insert seamlessly in the high definition release.

It may be a case of consistency of the transfer. The quality of the film elements Fox has to go back to to make the unrated cut may not be in good enough shape to insert seamlessly in the high definition release.


Especially given the age of this release :sarcasm:???????????

There is no excuse.

Considering the box art thing, I think I'm not going to start flipping Fox off until it's officially confirmed that the unrated version is SD-only. Having said that: if there's a really good deal on the theatrical version BD when the trilogy set comes out, I might well snag it anyway...

i'm still mad the only copy of payback on blu ray is the directors cut. i like the theatrical version better.

i agree, only having the theatrical would be a little dumb on their part. i'm still suprised that with all these new hd format discs, we don't have it setup the software will automatically add/delete scenes to provide, original, uncut, director's versions all in one. i'm sure it has to do with money to be made on different pressings. which just sucks.

They released the PG13 cut in theatres. It was awesome. I loved it and thought it was easily the best of the 4. If the unrated version just adds 30 more seconds and 2 or 3 more curse words then it doesnt bother me in the slightest. It seems to me about half the dvds released nowadays are "unrated" and 95% of the time I dont notice the difference.

What trumps what:
cover art or press release (typed up by clueless intern) ?

I'll go with the cover art

Guys, I'm going with the unrated cover art too. Whoever typed this could have gotten it mixed up and it could have meant to say that the Blu-ray version features only the unrated cut.

They released the PG13 cut in theatres. It was awesome. I loved it and thought it was easily the best of the 4. If the unrated version just adds 30 more seconds and 2 or 3 more curse words then it doesnt bother me in the slightest. It seems to me about half the dvds released nowadays are "unrated" and 95% of the time I dont notice the difference.

:confused::confused::confused:

the best of the 4? i think that might be the first i've heard someone say that. Die Hard was a classic as much as i enjoyed 4 i dont think it even came close to 1

This HAS to be a mistake. This is by far the Blu-ray I have been most looking forward to... and 90% of the reason for that is uncut.

Let's hope the picture is correct (but I have a bad feeling about this...).

Anyone know what the exact difference is? Is it really as simple as a couple cuss words and 2 minutes of footage or does the unrated version include something substantial?

:confused::confused::confused:

the best of the 4? i think that might be the first i've heard someone say that. Die Hard was a classic as much as i enjoyed 4 i dont think it even came close to 1

1 = 3 > 4 > 2 for me

Anyone know what the exact difference is? Is it really as simple as a couple cuss words and 2 minutes of footage or does the unrated version include something substantial?
Watch the trailer half of it is missing !
Also all the swears are ADR'd over one scene with Justin Long his mouth is not matching his words for about 3 mins

i wonder if there were any blood digitally removed also along with the obvious cuts to cuss words.

…all the swears are ADR'd over one scene with Justin Long his mouth is not matching his words for about 3 minsExactly! This was one of the worst dubs I've seen on a modern production… it made the whole thing look amateurish. This hack-job wouldn't even be good enough for a prime-time airing on TNT! That it was done just to get a PG-13 theatrical rating made it even worse.

The family-friendly track on the Crank Blu-Ray was done better, both technically and creatively ("Mickey-Frickeys…" lol!). I'd actually recommend watching/listening to that, just for the laugh.

No unrated no buy for me. Since I dont buy DVDs anymore Ill just wait for the unrated version which will eventually come.

I would almost bet the house that the guy posting on the site has it backwards.
There is only one version available on Blu-Ray and that is the Unrated version.
Until I hear confirmation from another soure, I would bet that is the way it is.

Why would the box art be so wrong?

they're just trying to milk more money that's all...it's nothing new. They want you to buy the uncut release 6 months down the road again :) This happens in today's DVD release. How many Lord of the Rings do we have?

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=65814

Shouldn't this thread title be "live free or Die Hard"....?

"Die Hard" is coming to BD in it's "R" rated version.

:)

^^ Yes, please… when I first started reading this thread and people started referring to a PG-13 cut, I thought they were talking about a butchering of the original Die Hard…

The title should properly reference which Die Hard is under discussion. Can we get it updated to say "Die Hard 4" or "Live Free Or Die Hard?" Thanks.

Great, another overpriced product from Fox that I will not be getting. When is Fox going to smarten up.:rolleyes:

First clue, looking at what Disney is doing with Blu Ray.

Question, as one who buys both formats: Out of *ALL* the studios on both sides, is it just me, or is Fox the studio that least "gets it"?

Their decisionmaking (and lack thereof) just seem plain dumb.

Great, another overpriced product from Fox that I will not be getting. When is Fox going to smarten up.:rolleyes:

First clue, looking at what Disney is doing with Blu Ray.

Well Disney just released the Normal version of Remember the Titan on BluRay, while on DVD there's a Director's cut version..

If it's the PG-13 cut, I'm not buying it.

If this is true, I won't be buying it either. What the hell is Fox thinking?

Fox cannot seriously be this stupid. Can they?

fox is one of the most stupid company ive ever seen,always was.
we still dont have a anamorphic versionof the abyss.
the cover says anamorphic,but the sdvd isnt.
also fox needs to lower the price of there bds

THANKS FOX, first 40$ movies and NOW THAT.... i really wanted to finally see this movie in the "adult-version" and not in the "summer-sh*t-Family" cut....
NO THANKS FOX..... KEEP IT AND DO, you know what to do with... :mad:
my 2 scents...

Thanks for the heads up. Will refrain from buying the CUT version.

they can take this blu-ray and shove it up their ass. LMFAO! Ah, good feelings all around...

Question, as one who buys both formats: Out of *ALL* the studios on both sides, is it just me, or is Fox the studio that least "gets it"?

Their decisionmaking (and lack thereof) just seem plain dumb.

They are the least that 'gets it'. Case in point: pg13 Alien vs Predator. WTF?

This is really sad. An unrated Live Free or Die Hard would have pushed me over the edge to buy a Blu-Ray player.

I guess it's just the "Trilogy" for me. This is frankly an insulting move by Fox. And I don't wanna hear any crap about double-dipping. They're offering DVD buyers a choice between the PG-13 and unrated cuts day-and-date. Why are Blu-ray owners getting screwed(while being charged an additional 5 bucks I might add)?

Here's the official press release:

CENTURY CITY, Calif. –He’s still an easy man to like and still a hard man to kill - the action never lets up when John McClane finds himself in the wrong place at the wrong time once again in Live Free or Die Hard, the fourth installment in Fox’s rockin’ and celebrated Billion Dollar plus global franchise. This non-stop action adventure with a smirk explodes onto DVD and Blu-Ray Disc (BD) on November 20th from Fox Home Entertainment and stars Golden Globe® and Emmy® Award-winner Bruce Willis is a character that launched his film career - as wise-cracking super-cop Detective John McClane. Director Len Wiseman (Underworld) takes the series into the new millennium with a seamless composite of explosive scenes, jaw-dropping stunt work, groundbreaking special effects and the ever popular clever quips. Live Free or Die Hard also stars Justin Long (Dodgeball, Accepted), Timothy Olyphant (“Deadwood,” The Girl Next Door), Cliff Curtis (Training Day), Maggie Q (Mission: Impossible III) and Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Death Proof, Final Destination 3).

Live Free or Die Hard will be available in three DVD configurations – a single-disc full screen rated version and single-disc widescreen unrated edition, both highlighted by audio commentary with Bruce Willis and director Len Wiseman, music video by super fans Guyz Nite as well as a special Live Free or Die Hard Unrated Two-Disc Edition, highlighted by never-before-seen footage not seen in the theatrical version and a second disc locked and loaded with exclusive elements such as “Conversation with Bruce Willis and Kevin Smith,” a feature-length Making-Of documentary and more. The Live Free or Die Hard single-disc DVD will be available for the suggested retail price of $29.98 U.S. / $43.48 Canada and the Unrated Two-Disc Edition for $34.98 U.S. / $45.98 Canada. Plus, the Live Free or Die Hard Blu-Ray Disc (BD) will debut day-and-date priced at $39.98 U.S. / $49.98 Canada.

Marketing Support:
TCFHE will blow out the release of Live Free or Die Hard with a multi-million dollar comprehensive marketing campaign targeting adults 13-54, along with original and new John McClane fans from pre-street awareness through Q4 holiday season. The planned media spend will be seen everywhere via national television, print, radio and online outlets. In addition, TCFHE will blast an aggressive publicity campaign targeting men, women, teens via print and broadcast editorial placements and news generating events.

DVD Specs:

Live Free or Die Hard – Single-Disc Full Screen Edition:
• 5.1 Dolby Digital
• Spanish, French Dolby Surround Audio
• English, Spanish and French Subtitles.
• Commentary by Bruce Willis, Director Len Wiseman and Editor Nicolas De Toth
• Music Video - “Die Hard” by Guyz Nite
• Behind-the-Scenes with Guyz Nite
Live Free or Die Hard Unrated and Rated (widescreen only)

Two-Disc Edition:

• Commentary by Bruce Willis, Director Len Wiseman and Editor Nicolas De Toth
• Music Video - “Die Hard” by Guyz Nite
• Behind-the-Scenes with Guyz Nite
• Analog Hero in a Digital World: Making of Live Free or Die Hard documentary
o “Prelude”
o “Attack of the Franchise”
o “Casting and Characters”
o “Texture and Tone”
o “Unimaginable Feats”
o “The Cutting Room”
o “Eye Candy”
o “The World of D.I.”
o “Sound and Fury”
o “Symphonic Boom”
• Yippee-Ki-Yay Mother F*****! - One-on-One Conversation with Bruce Willis & Kevin Smith (23 minutes)
• Fox Movie Channel Presents Fox Legacy
• Theatrical trailer
• 5.1 Dolby Digital
• Spanish, French Dolby Surround Audio
• English, Spanish and French Subtitles.

Blu-Ray Exclusive

The Live Free or Die Hard BD release includes the PG-13 rated theatrical version of the film and all of the above standard definition special features plus D-Box motion sensor capabilities, several high-definition trailers and the exclusive high definition BD-Java multi-level strategy game “Black Hat Intercept!”. The disc will be authored in BD-J with AVC (MPEG 4) compression and presented on 50 GB dual-layer disc with English 5.1 DTS HD Lossless Master Audio plus English, French and Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital Sound.

Synopsis:

“The best of the best is back and better than ever” (WNYW-TV) in the latest installment of the pulse-pounding, thrill-a-minute Die Hard action films. New York City detective John McClane (Bruce Willis) delivers old-school justice to a new breed of terrorists when a massive computer attack on the U.S. infrastructure threatens to shut down the entire country over Independence Day weekend. Locked and loaded with real stunts, genuine humor and nonstop excitement, Live Free or Die Hard is “a slick piece of action entertainment” (Los Angeles Times). Yippee-ki-yay!

A recognized global industry leader, Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment LLC (TCFHE) is the worldwide marketing, sales and distribution company for all Fox film and television programming on VHS, DVD and Blu-ray Disc (BD) as well as acquisitions and original productions. The company also releases all products around the globe for MGM Home Entertainment. Each year TCFHE introduces hundreds of new and newly enhanced products, which it services to retail outlets from mass merchants and warehouse clubs to specialty stores and e-commerce throughout the world. Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment LLC is a subsidiary of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, a News Corporation company.

____________________________________________________________ _____

So to answer a previous question posed on this forum, yes. Fox IS that stupid! :rolleyes:

dvdempire has it listed as UNRATED. Let's hope they are right.

What trumps what:
cover art or press release (typed up by clueless intern) ?

I'll go with the cover art

Guess that clueless intern typed it right :rolleyes:

They are the least that 'gets it'. Case in point: pg13 Alien vs Predator. WTF?AVP was released with seamless branching on BD so that we could choose which version of the film we wanted to see. I would like to see them do the same here, but if they only put one on there I think it should be the unrated version. I purposely skipped this movie in the theaters because I didn't want the watered down version. I may skip it if we just get that version and wait for a double dip with the other version.

--Darin

i'm still mad the only copy of payback on blu ray is the directors cut. i like the theatrical version better.

i agree, only having the theatrical would be a little dumb on their part. i'm still suprised that with all these new hd format discs, we don't have it setup the software will automatically add/delete scenes to provide, original, uncut, director's versions all in one. i'm sure it has to do with money to be made on different pressings. which just sucks.

Well, lets hope Fox will give us seamless branching like AVP.

The Live Free or Die Hard single-disc DVD will be available for the suggested retail price of $29.98 U.S. / $43.48 Canada and the Unrated Two-Disc Edition for $34.98 U.S. / $45.98 Canada. Plus, the Live Free or Die Hard Blu-Ray Disc (BD) will debut day-and-date priced at $39.98 U.S. / $49.98 Canada.


MAN those are some outrageous Canadian MSRPs! $29.98 US is $31.48 Canadian not $43.48! Sorry Fox, I'm not paying your outrageous prices for lackluster discs that scream "Double Dip":mad:

And why are they touting the "BD-Java" games as the greatest thing ever? They waited 6 months so they could make Java games? Why didn't they spend that time making their titles with an audio codec that people could use?

AVP was released with seamless branching on BD so that we could choose which version of the film we wanted to see. I would like to see them do the same here, but if they only put one on there I think it should be the unrated version. I purposely skipped this movie in the theaters because I didn't want the watered down version. I may skip it if we just get that version and wait for a double dip with the other version.

--Darin

Well, I personally would not need the seemless branching, as I would only be interested in the unrated/R/notPG13 version, but knowing they did release some sort of uncut version of AVP on Blu-Ray interests me. Hope they do the same for this film.

I wasn't even aware there was an uncut AVP availalble. I've never seen the film because of the original pg13 rating, and also skipped this Die Hard because of the pg13 rating.

I've only seen the theatrical version so this doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact, I wasn't aware an alternate version even existed.

Many times alternate versions aren't as good as the original. Give us both with BD's awesome seamless branching in case the "unrated" version stinks.

Well, the press release never states that the BD doesn't include the unrated cut. It only states that it "includes the PG-13 rated theatrical version" in addition to all of the special bonus features on the S-DVD, which just might also happen to include the unrated cut (via seamless branching one would assume). I'll give TCFHE the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I will admit that the PR is poorly worded at best either way.

Oh, and Amazon still lists this as UNRATED as well for whatever that's worth.

AVP was released with seamless branching on BD so that we could choose which version of the film we wanted to see. I would like to see them do the same here, but if they only put one on there I think it should be the unrated version. I purposely skipped this movie in the theaters because I didn't want the watered down version. I may skip it if we just get that version and wait for a double dip with the other version.

--Darin

all you here is bd 50 bd50,why are the studios not useing them.
die hard would be the disc to use bd50:mad:

all you here is bd 50 bd50,why are the studios not useing them.
die hard would be the disc to use bd50:mad:

Each of the Die Hard BDs were announced to be on a BD-50.

Do you mean using the BD-50s to their fullest capacity? If so, I agree with you there.

Hopefully Die Hard: With a Vengeance doesn't look flat-out terrible like all of Fox's DVD editions of the film do. If the BD does, people will have seizures trying to watch it in 1080p.

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You guys bite the hand that feeds you and then you put it on display in this public forum; NICE!

Thanks to Bluray.com for dissing their major supporter FOX.
Did you read the responces on there?

...but they deserve it. I know I'm not buying a BD release until I can get it unrated.

You can clearly tell where the PG-13 version has been butchered, with sudden cuts in the action scenes to soften the violence.

If you WON´T release the Unrated version on BD, then I have only two words for you FOX: **** YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've only seen the theatrical version so this doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact, I wasn't aware an alternate version even existed.

This is the type of crap that drives me nuts. I can count on one hand the number of so-called "Unrated Cuts" that made any measurable difference in a film. The additional minutes are usually so miniscule that they are meaningless. While true Director's cuts can sometimes change the subtext of a film and flesh out the Director's vision, an "Unrated Cut" is generally for marketing purposes only and rarely adds anything of substance. Personally, I am happy with the theatrical version on Blu-ray.

You can clearly tell where the PG-13 version has been butchered, with sudden cuts in the action scenes to soften the violence.

How do you know? Have you actually viewed the Unrated cut and the Theatrical cut?

If the cuts are almost meaningless, why the hell we need to get a pg-13 release on BD???? Giveus seamless branching with both versions if they will, but not giving the unrated version when it will be available for DVD is kinda moronic... Either they think the BD market is full of kids, or that all the parents that have BDs will not buy a movie they probably waited years to have(Die Hard fans are not hard to find... and they're very adult...) just cause it has a few curses in it(like the kids vocabulary isn't actually much worse than that already...)

Fox, please, don't be stupid. You will sell less discs if you release the rated version. These are not theaters, these are home-theaters, and the consumers don't give a crap about PG-13 restrictions on their own homes....

Allan

Highdef Digest is now reporting that the have contacted Fox and Fox says that the UNRATED boxart is a mistake and the film will be the PG-13 cut.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Specs_in_for_Die_Hard_Releases_Fox_Says_No_to_Unrated_Live_F ree_Blu-ray_/926

If indeed Fox are going to do this you have to ask yourself - why, what is the reason behind it because it makes abolsutely no sense at all.

If there was no unrated cut at all fair enough but to be releasing it on standard and not BR is just plain crazy unless they think that the majority of people buying this in BR are PS3 owners under 13. I doubt it is for the double dip as why release the unrated cut at all then?

I find this decision truely bewildering and unless it is for some unforeseen technical reason you have to ask what idiot at Fox decided this was the best coarse of action for what could potentially be one of the biggest selling BR's to date.

You guys bite the hand that feeds you and then you put it on display in this public forum; NICE!

Thanks to Bluray.com for dissing their major supporter FOX.
Did you read the responces on there?

Fox isn't doing much feeding lately. They take half the year off when they could've been helping Sony end this war. Now Paramount/Dreamworks bailed on Blu-ray, and how does Fox respond? By announcing more overpriced catalog titles that drop most of the extras of their DVD counterparts, continuing to support DTS HD-MA when no player on the market can decode it, and now they give Blu-ray owners the shaft by only offering the PG-13 cut of Die Hard 4 when DVD buyers can get the unrated cut the same day.

I'll give props to a studio when they deserve it(i.e. Disney). But Fox has done nothing so far to endear themselves to Blu-ray supporters.

Highdef Digest is now reporting that the have contacted Fox and Fox says that the UNRATED boxart is a mistake and the film will be the PG-13 cut.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Specs_in_for_Die_Hard_Releases_Fox_Says_No_to_Unrated_Live_F ree_Blu-ray_/926

I find this unbelievable that a major studio can be so out of touch with its customers - really does make you think what sort of people make these stupid decisions!

$40 & PG-13 version?! No thanks! Fox may well be doing this for an eventual double-dip for the unrated version.

Highdef Digest is now reporting that the have contacted Fox and Fox says that the UNRATED boxart is a mistake and the film will be the PG-13 cut.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Specs_in_for_Die_Hard_Releases_Fox_Says_No_to_Unrated_Live_F ree_Blu-ray_/926

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This better be a mistake, I'm already angry at FOX for such high prices & choosing DTS-MA for their lossless.

BOYCOTT THE WHOLE QUADRILOGY !!!!!
i'm afraid Fox will release a UNRATED Quadrilogy Next Year, and adding the deleted scenes from part 1-3

I hope they release the unrated version here in Europe.

BOYCOTT THE WHOLE QUADRILOGY !!!!!
i'm afraid Fox will release a UNRATED Quadrilogy Next Year, and adding the deleted scenes from part 1-3

You boycott it... I am placing an order. All I esire is the best visual and audio presentation in high definition... and the theatrical cut will be fine with me. If something better is released down the road (like that never happens on DVD) I may trade up.

BOYCOTT THE WHOLE QUADRILOGY !!!!!
i'm afraid Fox will release a UNRATED Quadrilogy Next Year, and adding the deleted scenes from part 1-3

It would be ridiculous to boycott all of the movies. I love the first three Die Hard movies as they are, so the first three are a definite buy for me regardless of the debacle pertaining to Live Free or Die Hard.

I'm skipping all the releases - Fox needs to know that this decision is going to cost them business. Usually, 'Unrated' cuts are total gimmicks, but this is NOT the case here (I'm looking at you Aaron). They shot the film intending an R rating, then after the fact, Fox decided to trim the flick to get the PG-13 - which means the Unrated edition is the original preferred version. I'm waiting to see how much time wise these edits add up to, but there were spots in the film where the ADR was the worst on film in recent memory.

This was one of my favourite movies all summer and I was looking forward to buying it - now I'll have to skip it entirely. I was going to buy a few copies to give as Christmas gifts etc, but not anymore. Fox is unbelievably stupid - this just makes no sense to me at all. Even if the source material for the unrated isn't up to snuff, we should have the option with seamless branching. I'd trade all the extras for the unrated cut. I am so angry right now....

This is the type of crap that drives me nuts. I can count on one hand the number of so-called "Unrated Cuts" that made any measurable difference in a film. The additional minutes are usually so miniscule that they are meaningless. While true Director's cuts can sometimes change the subtext of a film and flesh out the Director's vision, an "Unrated Cut" is generally for marketing purposes only and rarely adds anything of substance. Personally, I am happy with the theatrical version on Blu-ray.


I think most people are wanting the unrated cut because it should in theory right all the wrongs of the theatrical version like really bad dubbing, watching McMclane mouth one word but you hear another is distracting and it happens a lot. To a certain extent an unrated cut could actually improve the film because the viewer won't be distracted by poor editing etc.

The film was obviously made for an R rating then cut down to suit a PG-13, most of the other unrated films out there are the opposite or just plainly not rated at all giving it the unrated title.

Die Hard 4 was the least "Die Hard" film in the series so far imo, removing violence and swearing doesn't help it one bit especially if it's totally obvious it was originally there in the first place.

If nobody buys DH 4, Fox will get the message quickly. I was going to buy it but now I think I'll just rent it and wait for an unrated version to purchase.

I'll definitely pick up the unrated on SD.

This is the type of crap that drives me nuts. I can count on one hand the number of so-called "Unrated Cuts" that made any measurable difference in a film. The additional minutes are usually so miniscule that they are meaningless. While true Director's cuts can sometimes change the subtext of a film and flesh out the Director's vision, an "Unrated Cut" is generally for marketing purposes only and rarely adds anything of substance. Personally, I am happy with the theatrical version on Blu-ray.



How do you know? Have you actually viewed the Unrated cut and the Theatrical cut?

You would be happy with anything Fox releases.

I remember MULTIPLE times noting editing in the movie in both scenes and language, etc. It was VERY noticeable and distracting.

Fox is releasing all of these movies with pathetic extras and lossless audio that NO PLAYER SUPPORTS. Seriously, what is up with that?

fox lost a sale from me. i'll just be renting the unrated dvd now from netflix

Do you think its too late for Fox to change their minds?

Or do they even care?

It just seems so anti what the consumer wants!

I'm somewhat disappointed in fox not releasing the unrated version. Their stupid website got me excited when i saw the cover art and it said unrated.
Even amazon says unrated
http://www.amazon.com/Live-Free-Die-Hard-Blu-ray/dp/B000VNMMQ6/102-4118613-1653707?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1189004474&sr=8-1

Why don't they just release both versions at the same time ? Unrated and the PG-13 version. I mean, there are always multiple DVD editions released.

Very disapointed but i'll still buy it anyway... can stand crappy dvd anymore. FOX have a long list of crappy transfert on dvd and it's not worth paying 5$ less... My friend have SDDVD and i'll check his version at his place..

Mind you it would be nice to find out EXACTLY what has been added and how much - I mean we might be getting angry for nothing!

I'll wait to see reviews on the unrated to see how different it is from the theaterical. If it's a proper change, I'll get the unrated set when Fox decides to double dip.

Wow, way to go Fox, overpriced AND getting the PG-13 cut. Talk about status quo.

Mind you it would be nice to find out EXACTLY what has been added and how much - I mean we might be getting angry for nothing!

The obvious changes would be original language that was replaced via ADR for the PG-13 viewing, and the digitally added blood that was mentioned a while ago.

I'm not sure what else will be changed.

Fox is not doing much to help BD by releasing product no one wants. PG-13 and DIE HARD don't belong together. I'll pass BD and DVD also due to my no longer purchasing SD DVD mantra.


Way to go FOX

Thanks a lot Fox. I won't be buying DH4 until there is an Unrated BD available.

Arrrrg!

I cannot believe the studio stupidity, in particular Fox. From pricing to extras to killing releases to completely boneheaded decisions like this, they just seem to fumble at every step of the way.

If Fox is really so concerned about people copying their discs they should look to their own house for the reason.

This would have been an INSTANT sale to me. As is, I will be finidng a way to enjoy the movie UNRATED (in SD only of course) while making sure that Fox does not receive a dime out of my pocket until they do the proper thing.

Fox has MANY movies I want and I'd be willing to pay their "ransom level pricing" if only they would at least give us the best cut and all extras released on DVDs of the same movies.

This reminds me of back in the day when they held out on releasing DVDs for the first year or so, then refused to utilize anamorphic video and priced them very high.

Nearly all of their bare bones widescreen laserdiscs were $50 while most other companies were at $35. Their special editions routinely ran $100. I found them worth the money back then because they were at least the best presentation of the films. Now they are not even including that and still charging 25% more than the competition.

I have never had such a love/hate relationship with anyone. I cannot describe how frustrated I am with them...

As for AvP, I believe they have released three cuts on DVD. The original included the theatrical and an extended version with a differant opening. The special edition DVD included the theatrical and a true extended cut with four minutes or so of additional footage throughout the movie and additional gore (much of it digitally added in). The Blu-ray I believe includes only the first two cuts, not the longer extended version, and does not include the extras either. Although, in this case, the movie was intended to be PG-13 and many people actually prefer the theatrical cut as I have heard the digital gore is pretty badly done. But there is no excuse for not including the extras at least, and I would have MUCH prefrered having the true "extended" cut available.

But to pull this crap with Live Free absolutely STINKS. I hate to be too crass, but I have to agree most with the poster who told them to "kiss my ass!"

Thanks a lot Fox. I won't be buying DH4 until there is an Unrated BD available.

+1, Die Hard is meant for no less than R.

What makes this even more confusing is that apparently the pg-13 theatrical cut in widescreen is ONLY available on BD...that cut only appears otherwise on the fool-screen S-DVD. so go figure.

this is a blatant double-dipper on Fox's part and I am not having any of it. it will take some GREAT reviews and no skimping on the bonus material for me to consider the trilogy box now, or any of their other titles for that matter.

perhaps since Microsoft didn't pay off Paramount (right), they were able to pay off Fox to undermine Blu with overpriced, undesirable releases for 4th Q.

no amount of great review will make me purchase this, 5/5 on both pq and aq will not do it. i'm willing to pay $30 for Die Hard, but not a cut version.

casino royale having a few scenes removed to achieve pg13 is one thing, this is unacceptable when many ppl noticed dubbing and action sequences being cut short.

what your guys complaining! i will buy the R-rated on dvd. then save me 20 bucks. and buy an other high definition title for that.

i dont know about you guys but with the High definition storm coming i would be happy enough to save money where i can. Die hard 4 i already saw in theatres anyway.

Thanks a lot Fox. I won't be buying DH4 until there is an Unrated BD available.

+1. This stinks Fox! You can keep the DVD too.

I haven't bought a Fox title on Blu-ray yet and this was going to be my first. So it looks like that streak will continue. Bravo Fox for screwing up a big title for the format. Maybe 2 months will be enough time for them to get their heads out of their ass and notice how badly they messed this up and fix it

Contains all the standard def extras and some HD trailers :eek:
What year was this movie made Fox ? standard def extras on a major summer film ? and the cut that got your movie rated so badly it made hardly any bank ? AWESOME !!!!! 3 please :p

The same thing happened with the movie ultraviolet. The BR version got the rated treatment while the DVD got the unrated treatment. I could never understand this move because most people who are the early adopters seem like the same kind of people that really want the "better" version of the movies.

Contains all the standard def extras and some HD trailers :eek:
What year was this movie made Fox ? standard def extras on a major summer film ? and the cut that got your movie rated so badly it made hardly any bank ? AWESOME !!!!! 3 please :p
Actually, I believe the movie did surprisingly well money-wise.

For me personally, I am fine with the extras being standard def... it would give an extra 10% or so value if they were HD, but the bulk of the value is simply the information content (when it comes to extras).

If the main change is to remove bad PG-13 overdub, why not just include two audio tracks, one uncensored and the original theatrical version? I can live without CGI blood.

Contains all the standard def extras and some HD trailers :eek:
What year was this movie made Fox ? standard def extras on a major summer film ? and the cut that got your movie rated so badly it made hardly any bank ? AWESOME !!!!! 3 please :p

Yeah... that's a tough argument to make. While I personally don't believe in any correlation between the rating and the gross in this case, Fox isn't gonna listen since the PG-13 Die Hard is the highest grossing Die Hard in the series by a significant margin.

And I think they are pretty pleased with how much "bank" this film made...

Die Hard 4 on SD DVD for me.

I have the original DVD trilogy, then had to get it again in the special release silver box because...well, i'm just stupid.

I won't quadruple dip this one, even though I love the films. I'll get a BD version, but not until the cut of the movie equals the DVD content wise. I mean for crying out loud...

If the main change is to remove bad PG-13 overdub, why not just include two audio tracks, one uncensored and the original theatrical version? I can live without CGI blood.

Not that easy. There is some video edits too going alongside the dubbing. Most noticeably when Justin Long is "going off" on Bruce Willis in the middle of the movie. I noticed it right away in the theater. No sale from me till the unrated cut is released on Blu ray. I'll just rent the DVD instead.

LOL@Fox!

Give me the unrated BD or you get no buy at all. That also expands to the other Die Hard movies because I want them all at the same time.

The bright orange case art just doesn't fit.

http://images2.dvdempire.com/gen/movies/1365009h.jpg

It's too bad it's not UNRATED, but it's still gonna kick ass.

@#$%ing incredible!!! Looks like I am going to be renting this one only. Won't buy it until unrated BD comes out. I dont pay for dumb ass studio decisions. I never bought a Paramount release because of there lame "no lossless" releases.

In 6 months DH4 will be re-released for a double-dip. I'll wait...I guess.

Within a week I'll be able to find a used copy of the unrated SD DVD. That will suffice until the eventual unrated releases on BD. In the meantime Fox gets $0.

i'm still mad the only copy of payback on blu ray is the directors cut. i like the theatrical version better.

i agree, only having the theatrical would be a little dumb on their part. i'm still suprised that with all these new hd format discs, we don't have it setup the software will automatically add/delete scenes to provide, original, uncut, director's versions all in one. i'm sure it has to do with money to be made on different pressings. which just sucks.I agree with you on this one too. The Warriors, in Blu ray and HD DVD, also used the Directors Cut and I found it stupid, with the Cartoon cutouts. Just because it say's Directors Cut, doesn't make it better.

Each of the Die Hard BDs were announced to be on a BD-50.

Do you mean using the BD-50s to their fullest capacity? If so, I agree with you there.

thats what i mean,so there using bd-50 and pg-13.
like i said a dumb studio,backing bd ,just what we need:(

I would almost bet the house that the guy posting on the site has it backwards.
There is only one version available on Blu-Ray and that is the Unrated version.
Until I hear confirmation from another soure, I would bet that is the way it is.

Why would the box art be so wrong?

because fox has done this before.
the abyss...slip cover says anamorphic
the disc case says ... anamorphic
the disc inside nonanamorphic they did the same thing with alien.:(

Well, so much for buying DH4. I was waiting to watch this unrated on BD, but now I will just get the trilogy boxset.

I think we should just calm down as no one knows anything yet.

For example, the Fox press releases refer to the DH Trilogy, yet they show individual covers for each of DH 1, 2 and 3 on the FHE website.

How can you all be boycotting a movie based on an unrated edition that no one has seen? I could see if this was LOTR where we know the unrated version was clearly better but at least wait and see what this "unrated" version is before all the protesting begins! Sure, I was just as dissapointed as the next guy when it didnt get an R, but it sure felt like an R to me.

Meh,i'll just rent the DVD.As for the DH trilogy that's not an option for any European considering that it will cost an arm and a leg ,judging from Fox's european price policy (which is far worse than the U.S one).

There is a reason I own only 10 bluray discs. This is absolute BS and Fox is simply screwing the consumer and it is an obvious poise for a double dip. It is ridiculous. The Bluray should be the best version available period. Much like Spiderman 1 and 2, Ghost Rider, The Patriot, Hellboy, Speed, LXG, Master & Commander, Wild Things, 5th Element, etc. that all lack material from the SD DVD. Yippekayya m.......oh wait that part has been edited out.

I think we should just calm down as no one knows anything yet.

How can you say that?

This information is from official Fox press releases and has been verified. Seems like we know exactly what is going on... Fox is trying to make us bend over again.

How can you all be boycotting a movie based on an unrated edition that no one has seen? I could see if this was LOTR where we know the unrated version was clearly better but at least wait and see what this "unrated" version is before all the protesting begins! Sure, I was just as dissapointed as the next guy when it didnt get an R, but it sure felt like an R to me.

I think it's pretty much the same situation... most of us are 99% sure that the unrated version of DH4 is better. At a minimum, it will obviously clear up a lot of the bad ADR due to cutting the language. And once it does that, it should be able to restore some of the character I know and love rather than the PG-13 speaking character of the theatrical cut. Even if it's just a couple F bombs... I think it would make a big difference to me.

Of course, they really should just make a branching version. For $40 that shouldn't be an issue... they've done it before, so why not for this disc?

Well I guess I´ll buy the DVD then.

Cause I much rather watch the uncut version in SD than the PG-13 version in HD.

The sloppy editing in the more violent scenes is ****ing annoying as you can tell where they cut something out.

This trend of cutting R-rated movies down to PG-13 is got to stop NOW!!!!!!

Once again: **** YOU, FOX

This trend of cutting R-rated movies down to PG-13 is got to stop NOW!!!!!!



Thank you!!

By the way. Here is the swedish DVD cover.
Much better looking than the lame US BD/DVD.

I wonder what Yippee-Ki-Yay Version means ;)

Unrated only on DVD

Fox Home Entertainment have announced the US Region A Blu-ray Disc release of Live Free or Die Hard on 20th November 2007 priced at $39.98 SRP. Bruce Willis returns as wise-cracking super-cop Detective John McClane in the fourth instalment of the Die Hard series which is helmed by director Len Wiseman (Underworld). Justin Long, Timothy Olyphant, Cliff Curtis, Maggie Q and Mary Elizabeth Winstead also star.

Arriving day-and-date, the Blu-ray Disc release will sadly only feature the PG-13 rated theatrical cut of the film. The disc will be authored in BD-J with AVC (MPEG 4) compression and presented on 50 GB dual-layer disc with English 5.1 DTS HD Lossless Master Audio plus English, French and Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital Sound.

All extras from the DVD release are carried over plus you get D-Box motion sensor capabilities, several high-definition trailers and the exclusive high definition BD-Java multi-level strategy game “Black Hat Intercept!”.

DVD Extras:
Commentary by Bruce Willis, Director Len Wiseman and Editor Nicolas De Toth
Music Video - “Die Hard” by Guyz Nite
Behind-the-Scenes with Guyz Nite
Analog Hero in a Digital World: Making of Live Free or Die Hard documentary
”Prelude”
“Casting and Characters”
“Attack of the Franchise”
“Texture and Tone”
“Unimaginable Feats”
“The World of D.I.”
“The Cutting Room”
“Sound and Fury”
“Eye Candy”
“Symphonic Boom”
Yippee-Ki-Yay Mother F*****! - One-on-One Conversation with Bruce Willis & Kevin Smith (23 minutes)
Fox Movie Channel Presents Fox Legacy
Theatrical trailer

And some more info on the Blu-ray Disc exclusive interactive game…

“Black Hat Intercept!” begins with a warning from ‘The Warlock’ (cult-classic writer, producer and director Kevin Smith) that a computer virus has been placed inside an unwitting Internet company’s mainframe by the infamous cyber-terrorist, Thomas Gabriel. As the team leader from inside the surveillance van, players must guide an agent into the building, outwit the building’s security systems and personnel without being detected and then wipe the hard drive clean before the virus destroys the U.S.

As previously announced the original Die Hard Trilogy is also expected to arrive alongside Live Free or Die Hard with numerous bonus features including deleted scenes, featurettes, actor and director commentaries, visual effect breakdowns, alternate endings, side-by-side comparisons and much, much more. Expect a full announcement soon.

This belongs in the BD Software Forum

What are we missing on the rated version and what was the cinema rating?

Unrated only on DVD

Fox Home Entertainment have announced the US Region A Blu-ray Disc release of Live Free or Die Hard on 20th November 2007 priced at $39.98 SRP. Bruce Willis returns as wise-cracking super-cop Detective John McClane in the fourth instalment of the Die Hard series which is helmed by director Len Wiseman (Underworld). Justin Long, Timothy Olyphant, Cliff Curtis, Maggie Q and Mary Elizabeth Winstead also star.

Arriving day-and-date, the Blu-ray Disc release will sadly only feature the PG-13 rated theatrical cut of the film. The disc will be authored in BD-J with AVC (MPEG 4) compression and presented on 50 GB dual-layer disc with English 5.1 DTS HD Lossless Master Audio plus English, French and Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital Sound.

All extras from the DVD release are carried over plus you get D-Box motion sensor capabilities, several high-definition trailers and the exclusive high definition BD-Java multi-level strategy game “Black Hat Intercept!”.

DVD Extras:
Commentary by Bruce Willis, Director Len Wiseman and Editor Nicolas De Toth
Music Video - “Die Hard” by Guyz Nite
Behind-the-Scenes with Guyz Nite
Analog Hero in a Digital World: Making of Live Free or Die Hard documentary
”Prelude”
“Casting and Characters”
“Attack of the Franchise”
“Texture and Tone”
“Unimaginable Feats”
“The World of D.I.”
“The Cutting Room”
“Sound and Fury”
“Eye Candy”
“Symphonic Boom”
Yippee-Ki-Yay Mother F*****! - One-on-One Conversation with Bruce Willis & Kevin Smith (23 minutes)
Fox Movie Channel Presents Fox Legacy
Theatrical trailer

And some more info on the Blu-ray Disc exclusive interactive game…

“Black Hat Intercept!” begins with a warning from ‘The Warlock’ (cult-classic writer, producer and director Kevin Smith) that a computer virus has been placed inside an unwitting Internet company’s mainframe by the infamous cyber-terrorist, Thomas Gabriel. As the team leader from inside the surveillance van, players must guide an agent into the building, outwit the building’s security systems and personnel without being detected and then wipe the hard drive clean before the virus destroys the U.S.

As previously announced the original Die Hard Trilogy is also expected to arrive alongside Live Free or Die Hard with numerous bonus features including deleted scenes, featurettes, actor and director commentaries, visual effect breakdowns, alternate endings, side-by-side comparisons and much, much more. Expect a full announcement soon.

Probably for two reasons:

First because they want to sell more discs and declare this title a "best-selling ever" so Blu-ray can get 7.2 seconds of hype. Releasing just the unrated version would certainly please people here... but would alienate those customers who can't say f**k without asterisks.

Second because one BD edition may be costly enough to produce. Two (of the same title) may just not worth the effort right now.

and the exclusive high definition BD-Java multi-level strategy game “Black Hat Intercept!”.

I understand why kids' DVDs include interactive puzzles and sing-alongs, but this is a movie for grown-ups!

The same thing happened with the movie ultraviolet. The BR version got the rated treatment while the DVD got the unrated treatment. I could never understand this move because most people who are the early adopters seem like the same kind of people that really want the "better" version of the movies.

As boneheaded as Fox's decision seems (unless they're planning to double-dip all along, in which case it makes financial sense) Sony is king in the releasing rated versions of their movies on BD. The worst example is/was Basic Instinct 2 last year. DVD got a rated and unrated edition w/extras while the BD version got only the 'R' version with no extras. Talk about depriving a piece of **** of the only gloss that made it even remotely interesting. At least the PG-13 version of "LFODH" has McClaine (still cool after all these years), some cool stunts, Kevin Smith being a nerdy ass and some (toned-down) humor/violence the series is known for. Ditto for "Ultraviolet," but "Basic Instinct 2" without those extra seconds of pretend sex on BD? An even bigger waste of BD discs than Fox's BD-50 PG-13 version of "DH 4."

Merged, moved, covered, chunked and smothered.

Merged, moved, covered, chunked and smothered.

Oh, now I want some Waffle House hashbrowns. :D

I don't understand why some argue that they could tell where they cut violence

I saw this one in cinemas (in Europe) and was surprised by the level of violence the movie had. there surely was less blood than in the previous parts, but it was violent nevertheless.

Maybe we scandinavians will get the uncut version of die hard 4 on blu-ray?
We got the R-rated blu-ray of casino royale, while the us got the pg-13 version.

I wonder what version Japan will get?

I almost wish the US version is boycotted by enough people that Fox's sales are a disappointment. Perhaps then the executive chimp that signed off on a PG13 version will get the boot....

I don't understand why some argue that they could tell where they cut violence

I saw this one in cinemas (in Europe) and was surprised by the level of violence the movie had. there surely was less blood than in the previous parts, but it was violent nevertheless.


Really? The movie was as tame as any superhero flick.

I want my swearing and blood soaking gunshot wounds. McClane rarely uses a gun and some cuts were so obvious...

I wonder what version Japan will get?

I almost wish the US version is boycotted by enough people that Fox's sales are a disappointment. Perhaps then the executive chimp that signed off on a PG13 version will get the boot....

unless FOX wants low sales numbers to justify going neutral or abandoning Blu-ray altogether.

i will also look to import this one from Asia if they get better treatment than the U.S.

By the way. Here is the swedish DVD cover.
Much better looking than the lame US BD/DVD.

I wonder what Yippee-Ki-Yay Version means ;)

Awesome cover art

an "Unrated Cut" is generally for marketing purposes only and rarely adds anything of substance.

I couldn't agree with you more. I use to double dip my DVDs for unrated cuts but the differences between them and the theatrical cuts were sometimes unnoticeable they were so insignificant. The unrated term has definitely become a big marketing tool. I'm happy with the theatrical cuts of just about any film. Heck the only movie that comes to mind with an alternate cut that I liked better was The Abyss.

I couldn't agree with you more. I use to double dip my DVDs for unrated cuts but the differences between them and the theatrical cuts were sometimes unnoticeable they were so insignificant. The unrated term has definitely become a big marketing tool. I'm happy with the theatrical cuts of just about any film. Heck the only movie that comes to mind with an alternate cut that I liked better was The Abyss.

This situation is entirely different. Where most films have a few small scenes (usually comprised of some unnecessary but still enjoyable nudity :cool:) LFoDH was scripted and shot for an R rating. It wasn't until Fox stepped in and said "We spent over 100 mil on this thing and we want a nice payday" that they made it PG-13. The unrated cut represents the true vision of the film.

There were many ADR moments in the PG-13 version where you can clearly see the character saying something different than what is being heard. For example, if you've seen the "theatrical cut", did you notice that Willis used the term "Jerk-off" frequently? This must have been one of the few acceptable terms to make the film PG-13 so it was dubbed over what was most likely a four letter word or something composed of one.

It should be "Original Cut", but "Unrated" carries the suggestion that there will be boobs.

it should be "Bruce Wills Version", wasn't Bruce also surprised to hear, that FOX wants to make a CRAPPY-KIDDY Version and Ruin the Franchise ....
OOHHH and HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY GETS THE BOOT FOR THIS ACTION !!!!!

Yes, it sucks they aren't releasing the uncut version first, but no need to panic. Loads of other great films coming. Just wait for the double dip and rent now. Fox is just being smart.

The film was changed to PG-13 during the actual shooting. So some action scenes were shot for an R and some for a PG-13. Some dialogue scenes had bad language and some did not.

What is clear is that 3/4 of the film was shot for an R and had to be significantly altered to receive a PG-13 rating.

Save your money. It will only get released unrated down the road. Is anyone actually surprised that FOX would do this?

The film kind of sucked anyway.

Save your money. It will only get released unrated down the road. Is anyone actually surprised that FOX would do this?


Nothing Fox does surprises me anymore. Whoever is running their movie and home video divisions is a complete moron.

But it still amazes me that studios are thinking about double-dipping on a format that's struggling to get consumers to buy titles just once.

Has anyone started an online petition yet? We all want the unrated version, so why won't Fox give us what we want? I think they are hoping we are all stupid enough to buy the ''PG-13'' version and then buy the unrated version later. :mad:I have canceled my pre-order for Live Free Die Hard on blu-ray. I will rent the ''unrated'' dvd and buy the ''unrated'' Blu-Ray if Fox decides to do it. We have been screwed over and over with multiple versions on DVD, it's got to stop now.

Totally agree - maybe if they felt how annoyed people are over this they might do something about it - or at least tell us why they have decided to release the pg 13 version.

I do not understand why one of the HD websites (eg Hi def digest) have not asked FOX for their reasoning on releasing the PG13 ob Blu Ray.

Well, if I'm not buying a Blu-ray of Die Hard 4 it hopefully means others will do the same.

I normally would have been first in line, even if the price was $75! But I will NOT support this obvious "FU" to the Blu-ray crowd.

Totally agree - maybe if they felt how annoyed people are over this they might do something about it - or at least tell us why they have decided to release the pg 13 version.

I do not understand why one of the HD websites (eg Hi def digest) have not asked FOX for their reasoning on releasing the PG13 ob Blu Ray.


Thats what I am thinking. This is big and needs an explanation as to why Fox did that.

Explanation from The Digital Bits:

By the way, while we're talking about Fox titles, we've got an update for you on the studio's forthcoming Live Free and Die Hard Blu-ray (due on 11/20). We've confirmed that the disc will include only the PG-13 theatrical cut of the film. This has upset some fans, who are aware that the studio is releasing an uncut version of the film on DVD the same day. The reason for the decision is that the uncut version was finished by the director only AFTER completing all the theatrical press junkets and promotional appearances for the film. Unfortunately, this was too late to complete compression and authoring for the Blu-ray version in time to meet street date. So the studio was basically faced with the choice of delaying the title or releasing the theatrical cut only day and date with the DVD. So that's the reason it's PG-13 only.
At least it makes a little bit of sense now.

In my opinion, Fox should now schedule a separate unrated Blu-ray for later release, and announce it as soon as possible to try to save some face.

that's a ******** reason. they should have delayed it a few weeks if that was the case, because I'd rather have it be slightly delayed instead of NOT getting it at all.

In my opinion, Fox should now schedule a separate unrated Blu-ray for later release, and announce it as soon as possible to try to save some face.

And lose the BD sales of clueless patrons that don't read AVS or other HD websites that aren't following the story (who will outnumber those that deliberately boycott the BD theatrical cut)? Please! :rolleyes:

Thinking of Fox releases in general -- how do you guys get good prices? I use Amazon a lot for the decent discount, but Fox's are high anyway. In the recent 3 for 2 sale, I picked up Speed which was an OK price, but that was about it for Fox titles. What's the secret?

that's a ******** reason. they should have delayed it a few weeks if that was the case, because I'd rather have it be slightly delayed instead of NOT getting it at all.

Delayed meant after Xmas, After Xmas = Feb MIN, Pissed off fan = the same exact thing all over again.... I'am as much as pissed off as anybody.. but i'am not gonna buy any dvd's, didn't in 3 years, won't now.. as i double dipped on DVD a lot, i'll do it for this title also..

Just cancelled my pre-order for Die Hard 4, if enough folks do this, it may get some attention.

The strange this is that on the DVD Active link the BD box says unrated on it. Why would they even have a picture of the unrated artwork on a BD box and then announce only the PG-13 version? They could at least do a branching function for this like they did for Alien VS. Predator.

This seems like a reasonable enough explanation although I am sure many will still be angered. I plan on getting the full quadrilogy. If anyone is on the fence , rent the DVD and see if there is anything to get riled about. It is better than getting your panties in a bunch over something that may be nothing. In almost every case, the additional few minutes included on so-called "Unrated" cuts add nothing to the enjoyment of the film. It was great in the theater and it will be great on Blu-ray.

By the way, while we're talking about Fox titles, we've got an update for you on the studio's forthcoming Live Free and Die Hard Blu-ray (due on 11/20). We've confirmed that the disc will include only the PG-13 theatrical cut of the film. This has upset some fans, who are aware that the studio is releasing an uncut version of the film on DVD the same day. The reason for the decision is that the uncut version was finished by the director only AFTER completing all the theatrical press junkets and promotional appearances for the film. Unfortunately, this was too late to complete compression and authoring for the Blu-ray version in time to meet street date. So the studio was basically faced with the choice of delaying the title or releasing the theatrical cut only day and date with the DVD. So that's the reason it's PG-13 only.

Delayed meant after Xmas, After Xmas = Feb MIN, Pissed off fan = the same exact thing all over again.... I'am as much as pissed off as anybody.. but i'am not gonna buy any dvd's, didn't in 3 years, won't now.. as i double dipped on DVD a lot, i'll do it for this title also..Maybe the same here; or I might pass for now and see if they'll come out wit an un-rated version later. I loved the first die-hard, thought the next two were so-so; and haven't seen this last one. I also loved Lethal Weapon, but haven't bought it on BD due to reports of it being a poor (likely "bobbed" de-interlace from a 1080i) transfer. Sometimes the studios can make us wait; and sometimes we can make them wait :p.

Does anyone with industry ties know - does it really take three+ months to author and compress a BD?

Does it take just as long to author and compress an HD DVD?

And lose the BD sales of clueless patrons that don't read AVS or other HD websites that aren't following the story (who will outnumber those that deliberately boycott the BD theatrical cut)? Please! :rolleyes:
So you think it would be better for Fox to never, ever release the unrated cut on BD now, just because some uninformed people will have already bought the theatrical cut? Please! :rolleyes:

Does anyone with industry ties know - does it really take three+ months to author and compress a BD?

Does it take just as long to author and compress an HD DVD?
Warner is using a similar excuse for Blade Runner. The new Blade Runner documentary (which was produced in high-def) will only be presented in standard-def on the upcoming BD/HD releases, and they claim it's because they would not have enough time to compress it in high-def before the December release date.

If Fox was with HD DVD this would have never happened. We have our standards and guaranteed specs and would have gotten the unrated version -- Such a shame :(

Well at least I can wait till it comes to HD DVD later down the road when Fox shifts to HD like all the other studios are doing. I'm sure they won't give us a half ass release.

If Fox was with HD DVD this would have never happened. We have our standards and guaranteed specs and would have gotten the unrated version -- Such a shame :(
Completely false. Standards and specs have absolutely nothing to do with this.

Well at least I can wait till it comes to HD DVD later down the road when Fox shifts to HD like all the other studios are doing. I'm sure they won't give us a half ass release.
Thanks for trolling.

I'm sorry, but that excuse is a load of horse crap. They would have already made an HD master of the film for the SD DVD transfer of the unrated version. There is more than two months to the release of the BD and they would only have to press an initial run of maybe 40,000 discs based on current software sales. They certainly didn't start working of the transfers yesterday so they would have had more than three months to do the compression for BD. Since they would already have the HD master all they would need to do is the compression. They are full of it and they are making excuses. Anyone who says "that makes more sense" is buying into the BS.

Yes, it sucks they aren't releasing the uncut version first, but no need to panic. Loads of other great films coming. Just wait for the double dip and rent now. Fox is just being smart.

no...fox is being dumb.
this is a format war and they need to get any edge they can,and show there best stuff.
or maybe fox is doing as little as possible to sell bd movies.
i think fox should ****or get off the bd potty
if you gonna back a format....back it !!!!

I'm sorry, but that excuse is a load of horse crap. They would have already made an HD master of the film for the SD DVD transfer of the unrated version. There is more than two months to the release of the BD and they would only have to press an initial run of maybe 40,000 discs based on current software sales. They certainly didn't start working of the transfers yesterday so they would have had more than three months to do the compression for BD. Since they would already have the HD master all they would need to do is the compression. They are full of it and they are making excuses. Anyone who says "that makes more sense" is buying into the BS.
AVC compression takes a lot more time. It's not something they can just do overnight. To quote a Sony interview (http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_visitwithsony.html) from last year:

"To encode in AVC/MPEG-4 or VC-1 can take two weeks for a single title, because they are highly asymmetrical encoding processes. ... if you find a mistake, you may have to go back and it may take you another week to re-encode it."

Another better way for Fox to have handled this would have been to simply release the Blu-ray later than the DVD, to give them more time to work on it. It wouldn't be the first time a studio has done this (for example, Blood Diamond was released on BD/HD three months after DVD). I think almost everyone would have preferred a slightly delayed uncut BD than a day-and-date theatrical BD.

AVC compression takes a lot more time. It's not something they can just do overnight. To quote a Sony interview (http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_visitwithsony.html) from last year:

"To encode in AVC/MPEG-4 or VC-1 can take two weeks for a single title, because they are highly asymmetrical encoding processes. ... if you find a mistake, you may have to go back and it may take you another week to re-encode it."

Another better way for Fox to have handled this would have been to simply release the Blu-ray later than the DVD, to give them more time to work on it. It wouldn't be the first time a studio has done this (for example, Blood Diamond was released on BD/HD three months after DVD). I think almost everyone would have preferred a slightly delayed uncut BD than a day-and-date theatrical BD.


No offense, and this is not an attack on you, but if you want to defend them that is your right. But, no matter what they say, there is/was enough time to compress the transfer. They are making excuses. That's how I feel about it and I'm buying the unrated DVD not the BD because of this.

No offense, and this is not an attack on you, but if you want to defend them that is your right. But, no matter what they say, there is/was enough time to compress the transfer. They are making excuses. That's how I feel about it and I'm buying the unrated DVD not the BD because of this.
No offense taken. I don't see any reason to doubt their word, though. It takes a lot of time, more than people seem to assume, to go from a master to the final pressed BD.

No offense, and this is not an attack on you, but if you want to defend them that is your right. But, no matter what they say, there is/was enough time to compress the transfer. They are making excuses. That's how I feel about it and I'm buying the unrated DVD not the BD because of this.

Thanks for the info, and so will I (used rental), but I'd still like to know how one goes about getting reasonable prices on Fox BR titles!

Anyone know what the exact difference is? Is it really as simple as a couple cuss words and 2 minutes of footage or does the unrated version include something substantial?

Thanks for being reasonable. The fact is, I don't think anyone who has posted really knows. Most unrated cuts are an absolute joke and are strictly marketing ploys. All they have to do is quit the whining and wait. Rent the unrated cut and if it is so much better than the PG-13 version. Skip the Blu-ray... and buy the DVD. Simple. Me, I am goin' with the Blu-ray baby! Unrated or PG-13 it was a great flick.

Thanks for being reasonable. The fact is, I don't think anyone who has posted really knows. Most unrated cuts are an absolute joke and are strictly marketing ploys. All they have to do is quit the whining and wait. Rent the unrated cut and if it is so much better than the PG-13 version. Skip the Blu-ray... and buy the DVD. Simple. Me, I am goin' with the Blu-ray baby! Unrated or PG-13 it was a great flick.

i dunno if it's so much about the lack of blood or cuss words in the movie itself. it's simply the fact that a lot of ppl are against these cuts made in the first place, especially if it gets to the point where you'd see the main character's lips not match what you heard out of his mouth. it's prob less of a content removed issue than it is a general principle that we should see the film the way it was intended; not some chopped up version to meet some association's guidelines no matter how minor the chops are.

honestly i dont think some cuss words should no longer be a factor on a film's rating. kids today make posts on internet blogs/forums that are far worse than any movie we've seen. "sh*t" or "f**k" sound a lot more convincing when uttered that the person was frustrated than had he said "crap" or "gosh darnit".

as for violence, i'm against reducing amount of blood as i feel it reduces the impact of a certain scene. imagine gladiator, when maximus fought in the arena. if they had reduced some of the blood that splattered or cut out the one second where he chops off an opponents head, that scene would have a lot less impact on the viewer than it would uncut.

for the reasons above i won't buy the PG13 DH4 on BD, and i won't buy the DVD either b/c i can barely watch SD anymore and i refuse to settle for less b/c the studio is too stupid to give us what we want.

no...fox is being dumb.
this is a format war and they need to get any edge they can,and show there best stuff.
or maybe fox is doing as little as possible to sell bd movies.
i think fox should ****or get off the bd potty
if you gonna back a format....back it !!!!

Think about it. Who double dips? Exactly, the people who adopted HDM so quickly are the same people who will double dip for this title. Fox wins!

Japan:

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Sadly, based on specs DH4 is the theatrical version as well. Though the Japanese appear to get all 4 films in one box unlike Americans.

If there's one smart move Fox did make, it's releasing DH4 separate. That allows me to purchase only 1-3 now and wait for them to (hopefully) do the right thing and release 4 uncut.

I would be twice as pissed if I had to support the rushed release of 4 to be able to get the others.

Warner is using a similar excuse for Blade Runner. The new Blade Runner documentary (which was produced in high-def) will only be presented in standard-def on the upcoming BD/HD releases, and they claim it's because they would not have enough time to compress it in high-def before the December release date.
Why do these studios announce release dates that do not give them enough time to complete the release properly? Stop waste our time with BS, we don't have enough time, excuses and give yourselves the correct amount of time.

The excuse from Fox is complete BS IMO. Did they just decide to do the unrated version the day the press release came out, I don't think so. This was a decision made months ago and Fox just dropped the ball on BD. They could have eased the pain a little by at least saying that the unrated version will be coming out on BD at a later date but, they don't even have the guts to do that. This has gone from a must buy to a must avoid. Sorry Fox but, you need to get your act together. That really goes for all the studios who seem to stumble over these releases by not having everything ready. This just proves to me that they really don't care that much about either of these HDM formats otherwise, they'd take the time to have everything ready out of the gate.

Does anyone with industry ties know - does it really take three+ months to author and compress a BD?

Does it take just as long to author and compress an HD DVD?

The issue at hand is not so much the authoring/encoding itself but that the production of the discs has to start several weeks before release. For a title like Die Hard 4 you need like 50,000 - 100,000 BD50 discs for release date - which takes alot of time given the manufactering situation right now.

I would have prefered a delay, vote with your wallets people don't buy it until its uncut on BRD. I will only buy the box set if its region free, thank your lucky stars your not in the UK as Die Hard 3 is cut and its a bad hack job.
If it is region locked then us Uk people dont even get DH3 uncut

Jeez, what do you expect from a studio that continually releases movies with the only lossless audio track being in a format still not playable 1.5 years after the format was introduced?

Thanks for the info, and so will I (used rental), but I'd still like to know how one goes about getting reasonable prices on Fox BR titles!


By replacing thier management.

By replacing thier management.

I was afraid it could be something like that :(! Has Amazon had 3 for 2 sales like that last one before? Something we can hope will repeat? I just ordered Fox "Kingdom Of Heaven: DC" yesterday having overlooked it during the sale. I rationalized it by it being a few dollars cheaper than most of their titles, plus I combined it with a $15 and a $20 dollar title so it averages down.

I was originally dissapointed by the lack of an R rating but got past it after seeing it in theaters and feeling it was pretty much an R movie... and very good.
I just pulled this off a blog on IMDB.com so take it for what its worth.
I e-mailed the BBFC on what was different between the Theatrical and Unrated (or, as it is known in the UK, 'Ultimate Action Edition') versions they rated for DVD.

Here was their response:
"The latest classified version of DIE HARD 4.0 contains an increased level of strong language (about 30 [f-words] a couple of [motherf-word] and other variants), and some additional violent details, such as a crunchy-sounding neck break and more blood spurts."

Sounds like Fox delivered on their promise.

It now looks like I will be getting the Box set AND the unrated standard dvd!

"The latest classified version of DIE HARD 4.0 contains an increased level of strong language (about 30 [f-words] a couple of [motherf-word] and other variants), and some additional violent details, such as a crunchy-sounding neck break and more blood spurts."
Now that is a Die Hard movie and it is the nail in the coffin for the theatrical version for me. I will not be buying this on BD (or DVD for that matter) until the unrated version is released.

Now that is a Die Hard movie and it is the nail in the coffin for the theatrical version for me. I will not be buying this on BD (or DVD for that matter) until the unrated version is released.

true that!

Unrated BD version or nothing.

I'll only by the first three films on sale, not the fourth until the unrated version is released.

Dan

If you buy the box set you almost get the 4th one for free anyway so what difference does it make ?

I'll only by the first three films on sale, not the fourth until the unrated version is released.

Dan

Same here. I'm setting myself up for as little double-dipping as possible this time around. That's why I also avoid lossy audio titles especially on brand new movies. Yes Paramount, I'm talking to you.

The trailer for this movie on the Silver Surfer BD looks very nice, as does Silver Surfer itself. I'm looking forward to this one.

Fox seems to have done a massive PQ upgrade on their BDs during their absence.

I think most people on this BD forum are more obsessed about PQ than the actual movie. FF4 was a lame movie and the only way I'll ever watch it again is if Jessica Alba came over to my house to act it out for me.

I still enjoy SD very much. I loved DH4 and most likely I'll be picking up the Unrated DVD.

Actually, I believe the movie did surprisingly well money-wise.

134million domestic for a summer action flick is a mild disappointment, esp considering it took 100mil to make, and most people rather enjoyed this movie. I don't remember it being marketed all that aggressively. DH3, which is R-rated, took in 100million 12 years ago. I'd say filtering it to appeal to 15 year olds didn't really work as well as Fox wanted.

134million domestic for a summer action flick is a mild disappointment, esp considering it took 100mil to make, and most people rather enjoyed this movie. I don't remember it being marketed all that aggressively. DH3, which is R-rated, took in 100million 12 years ago. I'd say filtering it to appeal to 15 year olds didn't really work as well as Fox wanted.


None of the Die Hards have made much money in the U.S. Overseas is where it makes the money.