I am beyond impatient! Does anybody have any tangible or "inside info" as to when the current 90nm GPU/CPU chips will be phased out for the new 65nm silicon?

....Been holding off purchasing the Elite in anticipation of this upcoming cooler and quieter design revision.

it's been rumored, speculated on, asked about etc. for months. Nobody has solid info and i gave up on caring. Buy your elite and get the replacement plan. When the 65nm chipsets are confirmed on the shelves your elite will suddenly develop random and not always present freezing issues which will require you to use the replacement plan

When the 65nm chipsets are confirmed on the shelves your elite will suddenly develop random and not always present freezing issues which will require you to use the replacement plan

Right on...no need to punish myself by holding off. Your proposal is flawlessly clever.

never, same heating probs so no sense in producing:rolleyes:

As an afterthought, I was hoping that MS would get around to improving the heatsinks' mounting mechanism. Those reverse retention x-clamps have got to go. Wonder why a typical mechanically stable "through to chassis/sandwich" design has still not been implemented? The x-clamps promote BGA pin separation from the mainboard..leading to the notorious "3 red lights".

never, same heating probs so no sense in producing:rolleyes:

Are you truly just being sarcastic, or did you read that speculation from a dependable source? Regardless, your statement might actually have some validity.

Heck, I recall the whole P4 fiasco. ...Where the 90nm Prescott core ran MUCH hotter than the older 130nm Northwood (40% more heat per clock!). This was completely unanticipated. The engineering failure of Prescott prematurely ended the P4's future outlook as a viable CPU.

Smaller transistors do not always = less heat.

"The engineering failure of Prescott prematurely ended the P4's future outlook as a viable CPU"

Prematurely? The Pentium 4 architecture was disgusting and hung around for far too long. I am so glad Intel is back to a short-pipelined Pentium 3 based archicture. Granted, it's a P3 with far smarter branch prediction and no longer starved for cache. :)

"The engineering failure of Prescott prematurely ended the P4's future outlook as a viable CPU"

Prematurely? The Pentium 4 architecture was disgusting and hung around for far too long. I am so glad Intel is back to a short-pipelined Pentium 3 based archicture. Granted, it's a P3 with far smarter branch prediction and no longer starved for cache. :)

I completely agree, Netburst architecture was a joke in comparison to good old P6.

However, my intended point was that shrinking CPU wafers to smaller and smaller transistors does not always pan out to the desired thermal results. Hence the P4 analogy. The 65nm chips will hopefully be a large improvement over existing 90nm chips.

..If 65nm Xenon/Xenos never becomes a reality, just take one wild guess why. Wouldn't be marketing cost effectiveness but rather technological failure. I hope that all the delaying isn't a sign of troubles and that all is well.

The answer is NEVER. Why would MS ever push out new chips when they've got 27.3 billion cubic feet of dead 360 parts laying around, just waiting to be thrown into "new and improved" units along with smoke and mirror tactics like new heatsinks to provide a false sense of security?

I am beyond impatient! Does anybody have any tangible or "inside info" as to when the current 90nm GPU/CPU chips will be phased out for the new 65nm silicon?

....Been holding off purchasing the Elite in anticipation of this upcoming cooler and quieter design revision.

Just buy one, I pre-ordered my Halo 360 and I'm keepin it 65nm CPU or not (the GPU will remain 90nm). As far as I'm concerned if the new heatsink and better thermal paste that MS is supposedly implementing now doesn't stop over heating then a smaller CPU isn't gonna make a huge difference. Most of the noise comes from the fans and DVD drive as well so a smaller CPU ain't gonna fix that. The biggest offender of heat though is the GPU if reducing wafer size is gonna cut down on heat that's what they should fix.

(the GPU will remain 90nm)
....The biggest offender of heat though is the GPU if reducing wafer size is gonna cut down on heat that's what they should fix.

OMG! I was under the false assumption that the GPU would be scaled down to 65nm as well. The GPU was always the main heat dissipation problem, why waste their time on just the CPU!??

I'm decided, there is no point of waiting any longer. Elite here I come. :cool:

The Falcon chipset might be MS's last stand until they go to the next new thing, XBOX 720-1440-???. They are taking a lashing for the poor design and rush job to market. I mean the games are finally coming around to next-gen levels but the hardware is giving out. They are sinking tons of money and embarrassment in to this "project" so I would think they're going to want to move on. I mean the PS4 is already in development and the 360 has been out for quite a while. You have to cut your losses somewhere. Unless they plan on addressing the design flaws, poor heat exhaust, loud fans, bad GPU/CPU layout, no memory cooling, bad DVD drives, cheap build qualiy etc.... you're stuck with what they have to offer in it's current form. No chipset upgrade is going to address all that. They simply are not going to completely rebuild the 360. Not after a 1.5 billion dollar bath. Their mindset is to keep the ones out there running, let the lemmings send it in when it breaks, refurb, mail out, rinse, repeat, no way do I see them going much further after Falcon. It is a great console, (I have 2) when it works IMO. It has issues no doubt, and if you can live with it, party on! If you're waiting for the magic new and improved 100% reliable 360 to start enjoying the games, well Halo 5 should be out by then..... or go out, buy one, and have some fun!(slipping on the silver suit)

it's been rumored, speculated on, asked about etc. for months. Nobody has solid info and i gave up on caring. Buy your elite and get the replacement plan. When the 65nm chipsets are confirmed on the shelves your elite will suddenly develop random and not always present freezing issues which will require you to use the replacement plan

yeah, buy your elite from walmart or target (check with sams or costco too if they have them) as they both have 90 day returns with receipt to the store and their ext warranty plans are way cheaper then bb, cc, gamestop.