(hypothetically thinking) Assume that adding BDJ content to future movies, playable from premium players only (profile 1.1/2,0) will not go well with most consumers. And, possible backlash once consumers understand that newer players will play BDJ movie titles properly. So I have to ask if they are planning on killing BDJ and just "stay the course"?

I have a friend with a Sony BD player. It takes for ever to play discs and access movies (like PotC). When I asked him about this he said it is because of the BD-J on the disc. He said it stinks.

I have been saying something similar.

What will the affect be on the average Joe? Will he do thee ol "My disc is defective" routine and return it? Time will tell, but I have a feeling we are going to have some nervous BD fans when it hits.

They don't have to officially kill it for content producers to avoid it.

With BDJ, the risks outweigh the benefits. Risks like consumers returning disks as defective, or getting a poor review because some features don't work. People may complain if they've been promised a feature on the box and it doesn't work, however people generally won't complain if the feature was never put onto the disk in the first place. It's just safer to not use BDJ.

Therefore, I expect very few mainstream releases will use BDJ, except perhaps from Sony and Disney who are trying to push an agenda.

Will BR kill BDJ?

What is the alternative?

Will BR kill BDJ?

What is the alternative?

HDi.

Simple, fast. BD-J is typical overengineering, like installing SAP or Siebel in a company with 20 people.

Rule #1: Don't let the IT folks tell you how to run your business.

HDi.

Simple, fast. BD-J is typical overengineering, like installing SAP or Siebel in a company with 20 people.

Rule #1: Don't let the IT folks tell you how to run your business.


LOL!:D

They would be smart to include HDi and get rid of BD-J. It would accomplish two things.

1. Get MS on board
2. Fix the problem of trying to make it work and offer much faster and responsive players!

I think when and if it is implemented the BD fans will have another thing to say that BD has more of than HD DVD-longer load times on disc's.

I have a friend with a Sony BD player. It takes for ever to play discs and access movies (like PotC). When I asked him about this he said it is because of the BD-J on the disc. He said it stinks.
When I had an S300 player, it took about 90 seconds to load the POTC DVD, which displayed a spinning key with Loading..., and about 30-60 seconds to load the Liars Dice game, which worked fine for me.

If people are impatient, I can see how this can become an issue.
I believe some of the issues people report with thr POTC disk locking up or having issues with the Liars Dice game is when the disc/selection doesn't respond within a second or 2, they start pressing buttons, which get queued up in the player and then when it doesn't respond immediately again, they start pressing more buttons and eventually, the player locks up.

Discs without BD-J did load and respond to menu commands within 1-2 seconds.

Since I have Comcast digital, I'm use to delays in remote commands so I'm acustomed to being patient whereas others might want instantaneous response like their current SD DVD player.

I don't believe it'll be an issue going forward. Just growing pains. My PS3 loads POTC just fine. :D

If I hadn't already expected abysmal times on bdj titles, I might have thought I had a bad disc and tried rebooting the player or somthing.

Same thing with a PC program, if I'm sitting there more than 10 seconds, and I don't see anything happening, my first thought is that it's hung and I'm going to try to kill it and try again.

Did Sony kill BD-J? Simple answer: no. BD-J is supposed to work today on all BD-players (as shown by the buggy mess of a time on PoC) however all the cool features (PiP, online) are gimped. Sony can bring out all the 1.1, 2.0. 3.14, etc. players they want but it only segments the market more and more. Most content producers (read studios) will not want to spend extra time and money to add features that only work on a few players and that could cause mass consumer dissatisfaction, returns to stores, etc. Which means even in the distant year of 2025 when Profile 2.0 finally goes live, no studio is going to bother to support it. Simple as that.

I don't believe it'll be an issue going forward. Just growing pains. My PS3 loads POTC just fine. :D

So the solution going forware is to have cell processors in all blu-ray players? :p That would be a good way to drop prices to hd-dvd levels. :D

BD-J is a joke. Sony should have been smart and gone with the flawless, WORKING solution which is HDi.

even if sony were to implement HDi instead, would current players be able to run it? if they do this it would be a move toward unified hd format and i'm all for that. we would have the best of both worlds with blu-ray capacity/bitrage and hd-dvd's finalized next-gen interactivity.

even if sony were to implement HDi instead, would current players be able to run it? if they do this it would be a move toward unified hd format and i'm all for that. we would have the best of both worlds with blu-ray capacity/bitrage and hd-dvd's finalized next-gen interactivity.
It really wouldn't be any different than BDJ and the present batch of players.

The gen 1 & gen 2 HD DVD players have a nice Pentium processor to process HDi and also do secondary video stream decode. For the new gen SoC HD DVD players Microsoft had some work integrating HDi into one of the MIPS core processors of the Broadcom BCM7440 SoC. What was the estimate for HDi processing capability needs? Several hundred mips?

No offense, but this thread is ridiculous. Both HDi and BD-J has shown it's problems. So far only early adopters notice them. When the masses come on board (if they ever do....) both HDi and BD-J will be better (faster, more stable, more features (1.1 for BD)).

I don't think Sony will find it acceptable to stop doing interactive features... It is also completely insane to think that they will suddenly implement HDi, which would be a much larger shift than improving the BD-J with the 1.1 profile upgrade.

BD-J is a joke. Sony should have been smart and gone with the flawless, WORKING solution which is HDi.

Hmmm...Did you EVER do any sort of programming? Don't confuse tools, standards and code languages. BD-J needs better development/authoring tools for easier implementation and Sony needs to get 1.1 out there. There is nothing wrong with the language itself. From what I can gather, BD-J is more powerful than HDi on that level.

It really wouldn't be any different than BDJ and the present batch of players.

true, i'm not saying it would, i just wanted to know if new hardware will be required to implement HDi into blu-ray. it could be the discussion from the other news of sony inviting toshiba and ms to bda.

Hmmm...Did you EVER do any sort of programming? Don't confuse tools, standards and code languages. BD-J needs better development/authoring tools for easier implementation and Sony needs to get 1.1 out there. There is nothing wrong with the language itself. From what I can gather, BD-J is more powerful than HDi on that level.

hmm can you elaborate on being more powerful? will it also require more expensive hardware to work properly? pretty good chance ps3 will have no issue with this i'm sure.

BD-J needs better development. All will be fine. :)

I don't believe it'll be an issue going forward. Just growing pains. My PS3 loads POTC just fine. :D

Indeed. :)

I don't believe it'll be an issue going forward. Just growing pains. My PS3 loads POTC just fine. :D
Which makes me wonder why the stand alones have problems. Is it the memory or is it the processing power causing the problems with BDJ?

Who actually cares about these extra features? Most people, including me, just want to watch the damn movie......

Who actually cares about these extra features? Most people, including me, just want to watch the damn movie......

BD fans touted 50 GIGABYTEs!!!! as required for extra content. Now that HD DVD has more content, suddenly it isn't important.

Hmmm...Did you EVER do any sort of programming? Don't confuse tools, standards and code languages. BD-J needs better development/authoring tools for easier implementation and Sony needs to get 1.1 out there. There is nothing wrong with the language itself. From what I can gather, BD-J is more powerful than HDi on that level.

Haven't they been saying that about Java since 1999? :p

So when can we expect this to happen? :rolleyes:

So when can we expect this to happen? :rolleyes:

Just wait until... :D After all, that's BD mantra.

Has anyone heard any news about any Sony Profile 1.1/2.0 from CEDIA?